tv Cross Talk RT July 5, 2023 11:30pm-12:00am EDT
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jason, buy news, we just like thomas across as trustworthy. and does any of it come? was a surprise to you of several questions. they're good questions, all the 1st of all. no, it's no surprise. this is the way to see i operates during periods of conflict. but i think that one of the issues that news we missed in this piece was how frequently and how normal it is for special forces. the navy seals army rangers, people like that specially trained special forces are placed on loan to the ca for these paramilitary types of uh, of operations. so it wouldn't be a surprise to me if the people that newsweek is calling c. i a are actually special forces military on loan to the c i a not that that would really make much of a difference. and i think i would probably take exception with the idea that they're collecting on president zalinski. i listen,
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i think probably the american government owns president zelinski for all intents and purposes, there's really no need to just buy on him to as a. so let us intelligence, obviously, as off just how much do you think the news we report has actually revealed all we only thing the tip of the iceberg k when it comes to being marketing volt, wins in ukraine. oh, i think probably, i think probably it is just the tip of the iceberg. one thing about news week is the news week's intelligence sources are very good. and when news we publishes a piece that's about the c i a or about clandestine activities. they usually use many, many sources. they, they never go to press with just one or 2 sources. usually it's is, it doesn't or more when they report it on, on a c, i a of operation to kill or to kidnapped julian assigns, for example. they used more than 30 sources for that story. so when they publish something, we can generally trust their conclusions. with that said,
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i think that they haven't really gotten deep enough into the issue. for example, this article a, talked a lot about how the c, i just doesn't understand the russian of plans, russian expectations. and the reason that the ca does not understand the russian side is because it as those sources mirror president clinton, i think that's true. and i think that this is something that the c i a historically has struggled with, where they're great when it comes to electronic eaves dropping with their partners at. and it say, but they're weak when it comes to human sources. they always happen. what was interesting in the news we cost of a low. so we said that mentions the involvements of other countries, specifically polar to when it comes to b. c, i a authoration is a new frame. let's do assessments of both those roles and all this. oh, you know, it could be poland or, or any other border country, it just happens to be poland because poland is next to you crank. it was the same
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situation in iraq with the saudis, and that, or damian's and the turks. it was the same situation. afghanistan with the pakistani the ca usually works very, very closely with friendly or even just so my friend, the government's in close proximity to wherever the side of the conflict is. that's, that's the standard operating procedure for langley and it's going to set the day off to the 4th of july celebrations in the u. s. and k of marks the events by projecting the colors of the american flag on an iconic monument mocking the soviet victoria of nazi germany says, how some bully kids that considering all these new revelations. yeah. you know, yes, that's a good question. one of the things that our international partners tend to not understand is the us never does these things out of the goodness of its heart. they do it because it's good for the united states. i remember serving in kuwait at the
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time of the of the 1st gulf war and. ready communities profusely thanking me just for being an american and for liberating their country. but if it's cool, it had had gravel, instead of, of oil with the united states has having faded and push the rockies out. i would think not. i think the same thing can be said about you printing. the only reason that the c i a in the united states government is interested in ukraine, is because it borders russia and, and r u. s. foreign policy. the tenants of u. s. foreign policy is to try to weaken russia and to keep it as weak as possible . thanks for your time. really appreciate it for me that us intelligence user and whistle blower, john kerry. ok, you thank you. a, my pleasure. a high court in south africa has dismissed former president, jacob zoom is attempts to having tons of leaders serial obama. so is it prosecuted, quoting it unlawful as unconstitutional? local reporter, no. the you can get
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a bunch of these house in the course of coaching has suited to the side of the private persecution on the course of the phone. the present to present to presume i initiated the product persecution again. and i'm a poster on the eve of the is the national mix of conferences on the 15th of december, not the zoo, much hughes, the, the cutting president of being an accessory off to factor in a criminal offense involving states, advocates and really down the down the i think we should as bad as he is, and he is the lead prosecutor in the prison boom as officer option child and must be a down of violated national push. the c team authorized to act by leaking. he's a confidential me to current information to a well known candidate on a cabin born in 2022 was the judge of state zoom aboard for the product was the q should i gave to the pool. so for most of all, you know, by himself,
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which i'll tell you purposes in what amounts to end up use of the quotes, prostate stating that he lacks substantial interest in the issue of private persecution is due to a case that i'm a pause that i think it's important to to suit just data that the jacobs who might have never been a fan off of prison sort of i'm of course the, ever since the post a took speech and was a zoom. i still feel like that. and i'm of course the to, oh, but with she still ahead of time. so it's to continue reading the so that the can nation added the reading party, which is the is the china is top difference a month. warranty has cooled on his japanese and south. we encountered pulse to join forces and unite to revitalize the asian continents and move away from the western allies. long told his guests attending a trilateral for him that most americans and europeans console, china, japan,
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and south korea, a pause to rebuild the americans, take all visitors from china, south korea and japan. as asians, they cannot tell the difference between chinese, japanese and koreans. and it is the same in europe, no matter how blonde you dye your hair or lift your nose tip, you can not become a western or we need to remember where we come from. you have been to the over long be also just asians to resist the resurgence of a cold war mentality and rejects the coercion of germany instead promotion open regionalism as inclusive asian values when goals of accused, quote such and major power is outside the region of exaggerating the ideological differences in order to so confrontation, i'll guess some said that takes on the west interest in japan and south korea. and some of them have disagreed with long these statements. just speed stays on the united states for 30 years. i think for most people to tell the difference
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between chinese korean or japanese and right now we're at a very important juncture. we united states as training for local war with shining east asia, and united states cannot do it at all because the software is what's called the tyranny of distance. yes, across the pacific ocean there's one united states, right. which is south korea and japan is antique china now won't say, but you know, why you don't have to be that massive space. you have to use the client space united states. we're just using us across the united states of these turn. the vision of possible work is china just like, currently they're using a proxy where it is great. why don't you just remind me because comforter parties
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in south said that there's much more to gain some work to get it for much more peaceful, faster is asia, whether or not data open. so office in tokyo, that's 1st and foremost decision for the nato member countries, and japan appears to be a willing partner for that day. let's go back to juan. you said uh, not exactly sure, the point you be front of me is, i'm not sure how many people in china could tell them americans apart from canadians, or french from belgians or dodger germans or switzer, italians. i. so if we want to have a discussion about a we south career or japan's foreign policy sufficiently independent from united states decision making or desires the on maintain its own foreign policy. does india maintain its own foreign policy? then we could have that discussion. i'm not really sure about this. you're introducing the ethnic angle into a, you know, i personally don't find that very productive, but uh, nato open the latest,
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still gonna running north atlantic focused, even if it does open an office in tech. yeah. and that's what a ross is, you know, things at all. i don't understand why, you know, race has anything to do with that. foreign policy, obviously forgets that japan was forced into the plaza chords in 1986. and in fact, their economy today is worth less, that it was in real dollar terms at the time that sign that you asked was not interested in having a competitor and therefore beat the japan down. and i don't think that the japanese have forgotten that they may need the us for their perceived interest in terms of protecting their country. but they know full well it was the us who initially forced the page. i may try a restoration by forcibly entering an ox taking over ports, forcing japan to open up and then it was later in the u. s. has basically occupied your pounds since 1945. so you know,
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this idea that the japan love and are interested in the us. i think you have to look very carefully at the historical roots before you start saying that that's not important or that race doesn't play an issue. the fact is, you know, you hear it all the time and the u. s. o, asians, well, you know, they're, they're good at math, but they're not very creative. now that, that miss has been busted by the fact that the china and other asian nations are plowing ahead in terms of technological innovation. you still have the remnants of bad that somehow big, big white brother should be taken care or, or keeping the brown brothers in control. cultural cooperation between russia and iran helps to counter aggression from the west. those the would solve it, runs minutes to of culture speaking to aussie, it's almost all in for 2 centuries, we've been facing pressure from western countries. the name of cultural aggression is to level our intellectual power attracts, diminish our historical past inheritance. it is obvious that great nations which
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have reached cultures, we cannot accept these womic revolution which took place in your on about 45 years ago, expressed of the state of the holy rainy a nation against such cultural aggressions from the walls had. we're very glad that today to great civilizations, russian and the ron will stand side by side to create a possible future for mankind. the such a cultural interactions help us to move forward and they will smooth the way for the development of humanity. as a whole is ready, troops have said they have withdrawn from the west bank city as in india mock, and it ends to one of the deadliest operations in recent years. he'll have a large scale way left, the same palestinian says, and dozens more wounded is where the military cloth would have fluid. well, the city itself was blockaded. audio forces, folders, trees. rhodes, move to pipes on the electrical infrastructure according to media, with several humanitarian organizations. those are reported facing difficulties
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gaining access to the city. as on bill, it says we're not allowed into tends to the images. meanwhile, hospitals and the refuge account came under attack, spoken serious concerns when the un on the world health organization acts as a movement into the camp have been severely impacted, including 4 ambulances, the inability, a few minutes. aaron, actors to assess and provide the assistance to people trapped inside of the camp for an extended period rate of significant concerns on july 4th, the united nations relief and works badge and see what health organization office for the college and nation of humanitarian affairs. and the u insurance fund under took a joint commission to jeanine city, but were not able to accept the janine camp. attacks against health care includes and prevention of access to po since hi extremely consider. and the world health organization costs for the respective protection of health care and food in the safe passage to health services in jeanine and across post time ambulances with
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medical teams have been prevented from entering pots. so the refugee camp, including to reach, post and school has been critically injured. the regional spokes person for the india and misplaced international committee of the red cross phase rescue. things must be allowed to do that life saving work, as we saw, a deterioration in terms of people, the ability to access all the old basic needs, including water and electricity, uh, food, but also in house health services. its important today that's all armed actors. understand that there is a, the civilians, a civilian slice civilian properties to be named interest must be protected at all times. and all measures should be taken into consideration order to promote that. and that also includes the a good seat of a service provider or health. first responders to be able to conduct a job and their work in order to assist the uh, the population when they need to. so meaning you want, when you close during the,
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the 48 hours and we continue our call to make sure uh, to or to all parties. of course, to make sure that uh, 1st responders, ambulances, health authorities are protected and they should be able to, to, to perform much needed live, saving a services through the coordination across the intel of at least 50. and people have reported the being arrested, of the crowds pulled onto the cities a central highway, creating barricades on blocking traffic. multiple fires will also seen being lives across the road. the kinds offer straight to the, to the fullest resignation of the cities, police chief law enforcement officers were quickly deployed, including mounted units and attempts to push back the crowds. what was the cannon has been used to discuss some of the demonstrations the, the german government has approved his budget for next year,
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slashing spending across the board except for defense building plans to reach nato's 2 percent of g. d. p. target find a special fund of, of a 100000000000 euros to upgrade its armed forces. however, half of that money has supposed to be being embarked for american defense contractors smoking out wage from a top german military industry at executive. i don't believe that much of the money will be left over for the german industry. germany has no political compass for the defense industry. it'd be easier to talk about what they actually did, right. because it's so little you create complex has been used by washington as a pretext to justify a massive wealth transfer of tax there, cast to domestic defense production with cronies, profiting a shareholders of those companies. now, at the outset of the conflict and ukraine last year, german chancellor, all i've schultz seemed intent on following the same profitable path under the guise of modernizing the german military, using the excuse that need to better protect itself from the russians. bogeyman,
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an upgrade its arsenal and german officials, hawks right on board with this idea as to shoot, the defense of our alliance territory is done with the 200000000000 year olds we have allocated for the booth to swear in august. so this is a special fund lot that is supposed to enable us to organize a change of drive. we want to equip the button to swear so that it gets the wetlands and the um, ignition instruments that it needs to carry out its mission of we don't want to stop there, get done about that with the square permanently with what it needs for each task. all stuff do that we need to spend or 2 percent of our economic output on the financing opened to swear to the by put samples of the trucks. but it looks like germany didn't quite grasp the concept of this drift. the german defense executive is now saying that up to half of a $109000000000.00 fund is going to america in the pockets. that's not how this war
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racket is supposed to work in germany. you don't just say, well, it looks like the u. s. is stuffing it's pockets for ukraine, so i guess we'll stuff america's pockets to how nice of berlin to use billions of its own tax, their cash to prop up the american military industrial complex. maybe after berlin is done with that. they can go over there and ask you on mosque or just fees those if they could use some cash from the germ in treasury to when this german defends, executive says that her country has, quote, no political compass for the defense industry. it basically means that they have 0 survival instincts. now, even the dumbest animal in the jungle knows that if you have resources, you know, it just gives them a way to your competition, which is exactly how the us views, germany as your economic engine, a competitor on the global playing fields. and you, especially don't do this if you're in a week position as germany now is economically with its energy and inflation problems. and those problems are also
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a result of berlin's total lack of any basic sense of self preservation. even more ridiculous is the fact that germany and france are partners in european defense projects like airbus group or the future air combat system, which also includes spain. but it's buying lockheed martin f 35 instead, which even the us government accountability office says flagged by poor performance and unreliability. the full extent of which has been concealed by the pentagon. up until now, and berlin defense fund isn't the only fund in europe that uncle sam is dipping into france express, great concern earlier this year that europe and defense funds to replace old weapons that you countries were dusting off and giving to you, created a sort of massive you wide cash for clunkers program would ultimately end up enriching us weapons and ammunition manufacturers instead of europe's on. but hey,
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old habits die hard when it comes to defense. france is a self sufficient nuclear power, but germany relies on america's nuclear umbrella. germany is littered with american base as well. former french president shop, they're going to kick the americans out of the country after the 2nd world war. so it's kind of no wonder that germany is treating america's defense enrichment like its own. despite the damage that the u. s has ag dawn, germany and europe to do their own economic interests, to keep on top of all the latest news on our website, t top. com. as always, we appreciate your company. thank you for choosing honestly and nice. the, the, the,
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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. non peter lavelle, nato is made it clear in teams. it's ukraine, proxy war against russia as ex, essential, as such, russia to cease the conflict as ex, essential. it could not be otherwise, there will be no negotiated end to this conflict. one side will lose the smart money is not on fighting for nathan, the cross searching nato state. i'm joined by my guess, lucas gauge in brick. he's a marine veteran author into law ser, in salt lake city. we have david pine. he is deputy director of national operations for the task force on national and homeland security. and in geneva we crossed through the town. he is a swift journalist, writer, and politician. alright, prospect roles and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always
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appreciate let's go to break 1st. lucas, there's a lot of things in play. there's a lot of moving pieces here in the last new cycle, zalinski is still determined to retake crimea. we have the billing this summit with the nato gathering in about 10 days time. and we have this prospect of a false flag being mentioned intentionally into the media. is lot of scare mongering involved here co and one more thing the counter offensive in ukraine is not going is, is scheduled no surprise there. what's the lay of the land, my friend, what do you see here and go ahead as well. i see that the russians are still doing what they are doing tactically, taking their time. they're not trying to put themselves in a meat grinder and ukraine is doing the exact opposite. they're being pressured by nato and washington to go in full force. and as you mentioned, it's not working out that well. but they have to sell the story that extra going well and people aren't really buying it. i see more and more people questioning the narrative. and, you know,
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ukraine has been getting very desperate during acts of terrorism, stretching back since the beginning of the war from the bombing of the bridge ascending barrier to dina. now that the dam being flooded, i mean all these things, it's not a sign of someone winning the war. so russians are doing the great that they're doing very well on the battlefield there. i've heard people say 7 to one killed death ratios, whether ukrainians are losing 7 people, one russian. so it's not looking good for them. and i think that the russians will went out this war. i just, how many people before the negotiations? how many lives are lost before they sit down and actually talk peace? that's really the question. i absolutely agree. and i, an on the back of that, i would suggest that everyone go to some stack and read john mearsheimer as late as missive, which is a basically reflection of lucas as lots and mine. let me go to d. n a in geneva. we keep hearing about these different scenarios about negotiations that the ukrainians couldn't we conquer a certain amount of land, cutting off the land bridge to you could cry me, they'll have
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a better spot at the negotiating table. but there's, there's something wrong with that assumption. what, why would russia even sit down and negotiate and table at this point? go ahead in geneva. yes, i don't think uh that, uh, uh, russia is, is now right default on the goose chase on that because for sure we have to step that's. it's exactly the existence of the site because if they go now for negotiation, dual anywhere we continue because require he has really not accept ups, but they go, she's charged, as i said, they're already doing to, uh, to do, to, to may call on to go really work on crap. nothing to be done best with crimea. so to russia,
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it's not the time to negotiate. they can negotiate only if the recording is ready. the next to be a member off may to, which is not the case. no, and no peaceful where you go to you. as long as i'm here we can spend see the try shop is of the type fall there at the gym and do well with that. that's exactly the point. i'm glad you mentioned that because david, this is, you know, it's, it's not what you crane wants. i mean, we can listen to what. so wednesday, the is a panhandler. he just wants money and he wants prestige. he wants a wants to pump up his ego fine. are plenty and people in the west the want to do that. but david, it's not what ukraine wants, it's what washington wants. okay. and what washington wants as a strategic defeat of russia. well, russia is not going to go along with that. and you know what, in between time and in the middle is ukraine being grinded into dust? david? yeah, so true. you know, the, the dirty secret gas,
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or the secret that the western media refuses to admit is that, uh, you know, of course, russian beta ukraine. i do so after being provoked by uh, buying the nato. uh, but uh, putting this uh, these terms on the table since day 2 more. ive been covering that in the national interest and my real wars of stack websites and most recently as a temper following the next agent as a for you probably know lost by the russian federation of the russia, essentially stated that it achieved all of its nearly all of its objectives and the remaining objectives can be obtained through a piece that goes with the under the share the steel and that, that offers the table since september. so, russia's really been, the side has been trying to end the war and the world would have ended if russia had his way back in march, march, 31st, of course has went out to the peace deal was signed between uh, russian, ukraine,
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which is great. and then ended up completely rejecting on after it was pushed to do so by the, by the ministration. and then probably minister of the, you k worst johnson. so that would have saved the lives of perhaps $450000.00 or more a radio. and so those old soldiers incidentally is, and i do agree with you with lucas, that you know, the pre counter offensive. it has been going very badly with ukraine suffering, the 71 casualties and treaty one overall more than russia during the war. so this laurie is going to end, introduce you to the settlement, the sooner we do it, the better russia, you know, the key i think is to, uh, conclude a free and style pharmacist agreement, the end, the warrant gets it for one control. yeah, well you know, i come across as i'm going to look is here, come across this with the korean analogy. is that the problem with using it in this case here is that the major powers all agreed to the, to the pharmacist in, in,
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on the korean peninsula. i don't see, i don't see any reason world right. well, in the world by russia it has the compromise on anything. we had the minutes process. okay. we already know what the negotiating position of the west is, is to lie, lucas, and that's correct. the mysterious were violated. so the russians have no reason to trust the west at all. they have to win completely in this war, and unfortunately that's gonna take more lights on the creating. and so, i mean, of course the russians are losing as well, but not as many people as ukrainian side. and it's just a tragedy to see this and fold because it is the west pushing the ukrainians into that make right. and they don't care about your grand. i've said it since i've comments in the beginning, this war along the guy said they're just using his cannon fodder cause they want to week and russia with sanctions. and this works and everything, it's backfire. and peter, nothing has worked at his strength and brushes economy. it's a strength of the alliance with china and other countries, and to show the world that the western hedge and monique is collapsing, nobody trust america anymore. nobody trusts nato people. question, why didn't even have nato at this point? it's only causing problems and you know,
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people are saying that the training is wanna join. they don't, they don't even have to join at this point because it's already that the west is acting as if they're already part of nato. so there are hardy putting troops in the ground mercenaries from several countries, not just ukraine fighting russia. it's every one fighting russia yet again, i'm so glad. lucas brought that up because defacto ukraine is already a member of nato. but without the article 5 guaranteed, i mean, the washington must be popping champagne bottles every day. so the payments are willing to die, but we don't have to protect them. that is amazing. and the arm is about producers . they're making tons of money. i mean, this is the, the best possible outcome because in the us as no obligation, other than to watch, you know, they, usually ukraine grind itself into, into ashes. it's remarkable that they've been able to get an elite and ukraine to go along with this. maybe even more remarkable, gentleman is that you're a goes,
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