for i supposed to have done put your homeland symbols on display especially on stage these guys so you guys don't talk to strangers. 7 void noisy gatherings and was wondering for sure me know what she can relay and get them in and what are she's eating your colleagues and perhaps also your friends think you're guilty because your russian let you know the the bone. so what can i do? i'm the was mindset from it so that the deadline to which is the team that does put teaching styles we did use be a good fit to that event of buying it. so the exception to buy the specific store shortly concerning the

highly, let's see where the temperature is 3 degree higher already from the neighboring down woods. you know, why? because the other townships, having chucked up the trees, but didn't type guy in the name of development, and he's our 1st to become a capital like a single we are all going to or organizations and just covering all the greens we've gone. so when you distract nature, it takes the welcome act across ok, we're all things are considered on peter roosevelt you mind you were discussing the upcoming nato summit. the of

the. okay, let's go back to our guests in england and they, inc, i, i'm sure you came across the article by john mearsheimer um, titled the darkness ahead where the ukraine wore is heading. and it's a fascinating piece, a piece of writing and, and, and, and it's a big picture which everybody really wants to understand. and he, to his conclusions, i widely respect his work. but then he, there's one element here that i think could be we could have almost like an endless discussion about and is conclusion that this could end up in some kind of frozen conflict, which i find that really kind of fascinating. people mentioned the, the co, uh, cream poet peninsula as an example i, it doesn't work for me because all of the major powers bought into or frozen complet roughly is not going to do that. your thoughts go ahead in london? yeah, i think uh for sure that this is the only so that's a main so has of, uh, with this be considered a strategic to feed for nato. nato has

a really big ego. i mean, when it comes to russia, oh, they have disappear already complex here. can they compromise? this is something that nikolai was trying to bring up. keep going in london. well, the big, big, big, big cat in a sense, and they will try and sell it as a victory. i mean, we haven't had much about syria, which was an example of a frozen conflict. but the us is still occupied a parts of syria and it's imposing a terrible sanctions on it. so i would tend to agree with the, the point of view, let's russia will not find a frozen conflict, the acceptable that in goals and elements of, of the agreements and russia and has led through be to experience. so one broken promise to another, you know, going back to the probably so not, not one mortgage east was for late. so up to the recent makes the call. busy the it'd be a frustrating to the agreement. so we've visited. so let's be

a government last year. so that of fortunately i don't see it as being the and the goal shades the set. i don't see certain members of the dates. so even want seeing that the site is 5, is that, you know, unfortunately the present leadership in, in, in poland and apparently english sofa roland was the, was skis, a portion of that. so they just come to them and should not hate russia more than they loved codes. so i think russia is going to talk for times and see that terms on the go straight to with some sort of remnants of our, of our you, craig, in a really well, rob is in the box also is evan. i mean, it's our even mentioned the minutes good process, which was a fraud on the western side. the major players have admitted it's okay. um,

so i mean, if we're going to talk about some kind of frozen conflict, i mean, that's nonsensical because then they'll just take that time to build up capacity and start the war over again. i mean, i don't, i didn't understand the logic. i wish i could talk to mirror so i'm really like, don't understand that part of this piece is go ahead and, and yeah, i mean, and which means it was, they didn't even try their there wasn't ever really any real desire to implement that. the ridiculous thing is, if you look back at it, how willing russia has actually been to make a deal at all this had they have made the deal that the, or is johnson kill diabetes. russia was actually willing to give up, wait a lot in that deal of what they have that we did. and so as the war goes on, their position is only going to get worse and worse and worse and worse. because obviously the ukrainians can actually dislodge the russian army from where they're at. and so the longer they way the worst that

a negotiations are going to get nikolai, it's very interesting if we look at what the, what was a negotiated and assemble. it's fascinating. zalinski was asked to give up what he didn't have. i mean, it's remarkable. he didn't have the don bass, he didn't have the crimea. he was asked to give up what he did now. and now we're looking at, we are the gloss. well, the bottom line for me is that the outcome of the negotiation will be set by the scituate, the military situation on the ground. and right now everyone is still jockeying for position as this has been going on for a long time. you're beginning to read things about how in, in american newspapers, how zalinski is, is recognizing that he may not be able to achieve victory. and

all these accounts, these narratives are setting up the various constituencies in the west to make concessions, whether they want to or not. because once the counter offensive, assuming it, it runs its course and is ultimately unsuccessful. at that point, all the cards are in russia's hands and the decision will have to be taken on rush aside to advance or to stop. and at that point, it becomes an imperative for the west. you negotiate this go back to our guest and one to do by that because of the way i look at it is here is a way and it's already been mentioned on our program here is, has been a lot, but a lot of lies and deceit here the russians, i think, well, unilaterally decide when it's over your thoughts. well that's, that's uh my mind is thinking that as well, i think, um,

they have no problem there, so to speak, to the go shake with. and they are surrounded by, um it tries, you intransigence, it seems to me that they have to go out to um, reclaim um, uh, whatever is left of the declared independence donald bess regions they might go as far as or desa and they will have to then uh, become frontier they've made so then decides to uh, send in the police troops officially, which would be in this oscar for everybody but so i don't see uh this um, as i said, as a turning point, you know, you know, going back to a previous point that, that, that, that was made, but at some point this is one of these last that too much for the west. the amount of money being called in to ukraine. the expense of the defeat will no longer be able to be,

to be caught up. and bodies when courageous people in politics and academia monitor population will need to come forward and really get rid of. it's not just about victoria new and it's about people who shared the same ideology as a really needs to be a focus on in the public schools in the united states. and they really needs to be gotten rid of. yeah i, i've been the people that i dance guy was i talking about. they don't exist. okay. they've been marginalized, they've been cancelled, and they're all potent puppets. okay. i wish we could wish that was a track, but i don't see it because so much hubris is on the line right now. again, this is, you know, they, they did this to themselves. they ratio themselves into this. go ahead in portland . yeah, i mean, and if you look at the history of the people that are involved here it's, it's, it's hard because you will get to bite. and i mean, he has had a long career and american politics at this point. and at this point,

he has been pro war every time he's been pro war with every what he was pro vietnam, he was pro, into this lobby. a i rack in afghanistan were as much as creation is anybody else is i still remember him sitting at the table next to george w bush saying that saddam had weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes away from being launched. and so how do you negotiate with this man? how do i need to go say any but how do you negotiate with this mentality of this world view, this ideology, that's the problem here. nichol. i were rapidly running out of time, but you always have a word of optimism in you've already kind of touched upon it. i mean, you talked about realism here. i wish we could have realism here, because you know what, europe and russia are neighbors and they're going to be neighbors for a very long time to come. go ahead nicholas. and there will,

there is an establishment. there is a deep state, but there is also, there are also alternatives to them. they keep springing up and those will not go away either. i'm not, i don't know when or if they will try them. but certainly their voices are becoming more and more heard. a bye bye all i think, and that's a that is a reason for optimism in the long run. okay, well, i mean, what is the long run here? because, i mean, can you do see, what do you see the west accepting russian security interest? i mean, that's what this is all about. i mean, the russians, it's all black and white. it was on december 17th. the, you know, the months before the complex, i mean, everybody knows what address you want. can they, can they accept it? denying it all the way they will effectively accept it. okay. okay, let's go to one. did you buy that? do you think that they could? i mean this is eating so much crow. okay?

cuz this is not as bad as that. it's not a rock, it's not libya, it's different. go ahead in london. i think they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll try and sell. it's a as a victory. whatever happens um but so i kind of see rush, i bought a bunch in the veal columns like streamline, tries to jazz along with the american exceptionally since the military industry still pop, tried for made something with china, another dangerous adventure, but they will try and divert attention from your brain ultimate. okay, so what looks to be a certain degree. okay. every we have one, we have one minute left. so this i, i have the solution for the neo cons and the victoria new ones of the world. how to get out of this and it goes something like it's, well, it least the russians didn't make their paris. we won. that's what they're going to do. go ahead and portland. yeah, i mean, i'm sure that they'll come up with some sort of a scenario that the americans are very good at that they still like to say that

they want in vietnam to you know, we killed so many more of them. that means we won the war, but, you know, they'll, they'll just come up with something. i'm sure either that or they'll just start another war somewhere else. that's what they usually do. well, it, it's very interesting because these are leads that you are easily entertainment, ancient, and changeable to in the west. that may seem to be more apt to creating problems and solving any problems over the last 50 years or so. gentleman, that's all the time we have a one, a thing my guess in portland kingsland and in london. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time. remember, across the,

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