the associated dean of the international education of california state university w. guess, hills professor, how much so he, he believes these steps taken by france officials ought to approve damaging it is a present. i didn't have quite speaks to how the french system, i mean the line system addresses issues of identity and identity that seems not to include those who are not aware of what the process them sees as french. so it's really damaging, but it adds to the list of a bad thing, certain bad policy, and advise the approach to handling the issue of identity that many immigrants who came or who went to france not i would tell me, is, are the immigration easy and fast? is a result of colonialism and it has roots in,

in the french continue is a fuse o 2 at the mad to the past and to move on with a new page. and what to notice these are the, when they named the name, they did mention that there was no other highest sort of proposition, which means the population wanted the engineer davis. that's how the world is looking at 226 must go time this sunday afternoon. whatever you up to this weekend . i hope you're having a good one. that's all for me. peter. scott, do set your default, which will blow as cold in the city, where the temperature is 3 degree higher already from the neighboring downwards. you know why? because the other townships having chucked up the trees, but in tucker in the name of development. and he's our 1st to become

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the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross hawk, where all things are considered. non peter live out. nature was a peculiar organization. it claims to be defensive military lines. but at the same time, claims it must constantly expand. add to this, the alliance is quite to projects stability. in reality, it projects instability and in security and made russia, its primary enemy, the processing, the upcoming nato summit. i'm joined by my guess,

nichol. i petro in kingston. he is a professor of political science at the university of rhode island in portland, we haven't been ripped. he is a freelance journalist and in london we crossed the income mackenzie. he is a visiting lecturer at the law school of the university of westminster are a gentleman crosstalk roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate nichol. i let me go to you. first of, you know, there's been a lot of, uh, there was a lot of talk about the ukraine. so the counter offensive. and now there's a whole lot of talk about the upcoming summit and bill this of the nato summit, of course. and, but it's quite peculiar and yeah, and i'm going to use that word. there seems to be a lot of double talk and ex, explaining what's going to happen there when nothing really much is going to happen . they're, they're going to throw a few bones to uh, to the ukrainians and other than that. and there's no membership in the cards. maybe no membership ever in the future. what are your thoughts as somebody to is approaching the right?

i think the game is lowering expectations for ukraine. i think a senior polish official and just said not to expect too much. but on the other hand, sometimes it turns out the united states to manage is through the o coersion and other on some pressures to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the last minute. this has happened before when it's been able to sell its own objectives in a way that seems appealing to others and then uh, hide from them of their, their long term implications. so i'm, uh, i'm still very wary about what this upcoming nato summit might lead to. well, yeah, they didn't let me go to you in london. i think nikolai, as usual, is spot on here and i'm, but what's interesting is, i mean rabbits, it'd be cool. it could be pulled out of a hat,

wouldn't be really about your cream. it would be about russia, and this is what this is all about. go ahead and wanted. yes, that's absolutely correct. so then i agree with the last, the comment that they, that they, you can call really expect more than the, the usual they will just simply be giving them a more promise of arms and ammunition. while in the meantime, the ukrainian societies being the, you know, it's being disruptive and it's, it's, it's disruptive. it's a disruptive, a saying, as i think, based on the question of the ukraine become being a member, because they simply do don't fulfill any of the criteria for the so whole map. so as you said, beads are, it is about so old about russia and even at the expense, so the absolutes, obliteration of the crate. and as a nation states and the,

the, you know, the actual degradation of, um, uh, european society and, and, and europe and security too, because that's not being addressed here. and we've actually create more in security because you will have a revisionist, so ukraine, i haven't, i mean, there's not a whole lot of logic involved in this here. those that want to push to give exceptions to ukraine to get into the alliance. well then there is a pay in europe and more, i mean, who in their right mind wants that go ahead and portland i think that everybody kind of has to play a game where they all want to pretend that they wanted just for oral purposes, but no i don't think anyone actually particularly wants to start a war in europe. i mean if they wanted to do that, they've had ample opportunity and they haven't done it. so i could see pool would maybe even sending in some volunteers or something like that. but i don't think

it's going to be any ukraine's definitely not going to join nato, no big. and they've made that quite clear. okay, well, let's go back to nikolai and kingston and then what is the long term implications here? because, you know, it is a nato consent talk all it wants about future membership of ukraine, but that's the red line for russia. and that's why we have this conflict. and so, you know, it's almost kind of an echo chamber and in may till land. okay? because the no matter what comes out to bill is the russians have already made their position clear, and they're not going to budge from at least there's no evidence of it go ahead. nikolai, the hope lies, not in the current leadership, political leadership in nato countries. but in their successors, there are interesting movements of support, particularly in germany,

with the rise of alternative parties to prominence that are very much skeptical of nato expansion. and the phrase is already been the use of forever wars that are going to be a burden specifically to german tax payers. and i think as germany goes, so if, if the conservative right wing in germany does come to power and sticks to its skeptical agenda of on, on german foreign policy and 6 to reverse that. then i think we will show more courage along the same lines displayed in france and italy, which is basically their right wing parties have, have caved to the nato agenda. correct? yeah, well you, i'm sorry, i'm going to have to throw your own words back at you. i mean, you as a lot of coercive power. i don't think it will allow that to happen. i think maybe

i think what nato land has to worry about is colored revolutions instigated by washington. if they don't stay in line, me guys go back to our guest in, in london it's, it's very interesting the term forever war has already been brought up here. and that is, i think, really what's at play here. the mountain states doesn't want ukraine in nato, and of course it doesn't, because then it would take on obligations. but the, the status quote works for washington, just fine. they have no legal obligation, so security obligation, so to protect you, crane. but a good it'll, it'll probably russia on the behalf of an update to, i mean, it's a perfect scenario for washington. go ahead and london. yes, it's a, it's a terrible situation and i sealed it. so obviously russia is holding fast to it. it's, it's always is and they can only get more line since the previous piece over to years have been um, thrown out to the window. uh, best of luck to be approved to obviously um,

show the records of the signed agreements. and so if russia way sent out and i think the ukraine is on, it's the dog which is being systematically tried to be destroyed in america is just going to find a way of abandoning you. great. it's done that before to the south via the me use the stomach to the codes of the guns. and that is also the unfortunate so afraid that the remains for, for ukraine. yeah, but as i, i agree with our previous guess of the logic here. but this complex has been turned into an ex, essential conflict. okay. the us lost in afghanistan, lost in the rack. last of in libya, it'd be good and it had no real collateral damage. this is a very different things. this is to do or, you know, i mean stilton berg. i've given a, extending his term here. is it said recently in the last week or so?

this is all about china now. okay. i mean, this is ex, essential. it's not just a proxy war halfway around the world in, in developing country. go ahead and portland, well land in this case. i mean, they've had this, it planning for so long. you know, the, the provocation is against ukraine. go back all the way to the 1940s. it was wednesday. i believe it was the british you 1st made contact with the o u n. in 1944 and they have supported the members sense. so i think this one's kind of a, a bigger deal for them was 88 of waste like libya, syria, you can just kind of you know, throw some things out there. and if it doesn't work out, she just leave put ukraine. they've been so invested for so long, but i think it's hard for them to pull out at this weight. well, i agree here nikolai, i mean, it's all about the rules based order. it's about

a european values. it's about barrels garden, i mean, they've invested a lot in this. okay. and, and it was a craven choice. i mean, the ukraine has nothing to do with european security, certainly that american security, they have chosen to do this nikolai and that. but so let me say 1st, 1st of all, that every war and that america america seeks to fight and sales to its public is an existential war. as gattis, dad was a war also for all the same values. and i don't think, although we're trying very hard, we haven't quite reached the level of commitment, the resources that we, we spent, and they've got us down over more than 20 years. so these things, these, these uh bouts of uh, of imperialism which is a recurring thing. in american foreign policy, continue and,

and will recur. but uh, at the end of the tunnel, i see the promise of realism, realism being simply a recognition of the facts on the ground. and when they can nichol, i find me. if i can interrupt you, do you think victorian do you think victoria no one thinks that way. and i think victoria new and is not a permanent component of the foreign policy establishment. everyone's time is off at some point. and this particular bout with the imperial expansion will have a lot of, i think, a long i don't, i hope, lasting a recuperation. there will be sort of the hang over effect from this. i hope will be more dramatic than it has been for it again as well. nickel,

i'm going to talk about that in the 2nd half of the program gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the upcoming natal summit stays with r t the the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community invest, not getting all sense and the in the system must be the one else holes question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media machine, the state on the russians putting s r t, spoke back,

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