on significance of poverty levels, there's only west and recently due to payments the countries made on a public debt. so most of 67 percent of g d p. the government's attempts to scale down spending our parts of fiscal consolidation efforts that included the new policies, tax hikes. the international management has appraised with us government for a prompt response to the economic hardships the well, the kept to live, it will be, was no the only place experiencing unrest with people gathering in mombasa, the 2nd largest city we spoke with, some of the locals about the ongoing situation and their opinions are polarized the protest. we protesting against the government, the economy is difficult, even paying rent is a problem. before going back home, i have to think because my child lost me when i got them to wait. when i come from work at this point, kenya is not the can you, we knew before things have changed

a lot. and i me, it's, it's a party mind. i did not to pull this practices because it has had no business. we just have to suffer even if we don't take loans. now, many loans were taken by the previous government. we just have to wear college and now funds to groups food on all table by which is the police causing chaos. they're also citizens of gain. yeah. and we suffer when we get to the same shops. we went to come a country peacefully, but they came to disrupt this peaceful protest. i mean, we're getting her to lot and we do not have peace. many jania is in a bad place. this presidents lied to us in his manifesto is because they promised us having once he took the oath i do, it is only baba who can rescue us. you know, some of us are hurting. not everyone has money in their wallets. he promised us at the bottom of the economy, which we have confirmed to lie to us. i just support this process as long as it's peaceful blades 1000000. dollars of additional aid is being sent by the u. n. to south su,

done those to help deal with the thousands of refugees who fled into the country from his waltz on know the neighbor. so don, the money comes on supplemental, the $8000000.00 released in june. this aim to providing live saving assistance for displaced a minute. the bills are flagged to conflict incident on arriving across the border with nothing. many reported that they were subjected to violence and exploitation such as extortion. unloading as they fled to south threw down. they need urgent support to reach safety and build their lives over in washington. the closest embassy ensued done back in april all the documents, including any local possible it's currently being held that were destroyed. now that's left a number of student, nice people trapped in the was own embassy stuff, say that destruction of documents. is this done? the security procedure in lights of withdrawal boats for those effects? it means they now have no passports and there's no legal opportunity to find a safe refuge elsewhere. it's estimated that the around 2800000 people have been displaced as a result of the conflicts into done with many things in neighboring countries,

particularly egypt. we heard from one of those stranded without an internationally recognized id, a lost and so think of the size of my story beginning when i was accepted into and most of the program in the united states. i successfully completed all the necessary procedures and underwent an interview at the us embassy in khartoum in early april. at that time i was informed that my visa had been approved and that was scheduled to receive my passport from the embassy on april 16th. unfortunately, the onset of for disrupted these plans as they conflicted with the ongoing situation and so done. despite my repeated attempts to retrieve my passport by contacting the embassy via email, i received no response. it was only on may 17th that i received a reply, informing me that the old passport store to the embassy had been destroyed, folding their security protocol. consequently, i find myself stranded in sedona, unable to travel, and to complete my master's program or even leave the country. in a similar situation with possible speed destroyed was also seen 2 years ago. enough

dentist on that was when the us raise to pull out of the country is the telephone foot by 2 posts and left a number of local off guns who had been working for us. forces trump the and fearful of retribution from the ritz ending it solid bun full starts. he's a governance and african policy specialist. gabrey. he was net to outline the difficulties that people are facing of the past, both with distort. and this is a problem now, because so does, is it facing or it will not be possible for most of these national is really the positive and for that turn, turn face the passport is, may not be, is it possible for them to get the message passing so those non so then these lots of notes, again that i've been on the board and it was done, the embassies have been established and you access points to be able to provide the documentation to move some of the guessing documentation has been destroyed in case the news,

whether it's too much more difficult for them. types of safe haven to move the country to access their rights but further so they need to move their passports. and so this has been the documentation in this procedure. it makes, it looks to be difficult for them to try and get documentation, i guess from the list of the names of who says without the c one reason that i just described. so the officials will be saying, well, you know, those are the kinds of just issuing your passports. i'm having a civil war. and i'm in the midst of the civil goods because of difficulties documentation to particular citizens because you have a highly tight and secured into it. so i was, there are some individuals with a passport 20 years in a very bad situation. differential authorities have found themselves clashing, not only with the protesters, both even with the un,

which is condemned to legit racial profiling by security forces in the country from disputes, comments that is considered successive and deplores the forgetting of the i'm just the fiber of violence committed in recent days, against the police elected officials, public services, police station, school, social and care centers and the town halls as well as many properties or funds has been struggling with bottom process in recent days of to a balance. a police officer faithfully shot a teenager of l. julian defense during a traffic incident. the killing has highlights a board of concerns about racial profiling on police brutality in the country. are you and human rights committees spoke out about the incidents saying funds must address excessive use of forced by police and quote, system i think causes of racial discrimination. federal authorities have a nice, a temporary fund on valleys, in an effort to avoid further rise is voltage of police clicking down on the demonstrates as the

smallest as close live now, to philly deville and it's any who's joining us from pies affinity. thank you very much. for joining us, good evening to you from us. go a good evening. thank you. thank you for you today. should 1st of all i just want,

what do you make of the you and concerns regarding the the police brutality and racial profiling in front? do you think that just defined well, um i think that over exaggerated because of course sometimes in protest you're buying them from both sides of the items from the pub. this. there are some just fine on some, also from, from the police, but you got to know that the police are legitimate dealer of state violence. and it's not all with the courtesy towards the type. the tough um, refreshing for the best because it was a social process. now, where are you going to kind of track because we're, i, the rest isn't. i'm the, we're not talking about the, the special racism in the police forces. not find them except because in the police, the forces and problems throughout the recitation of all the coming inside and

forces. so i think it's a big over the things that erases. and so the rest of the stuff on the one week and the boss away on that simple way. okay, i'll pick you up on that very shortly. um, phillip, just do you think the difference with the rights to dismiss so quickly that criticism from the un or sometimes come accept the criticism from the un but the use case, i think the beat me the reason for the call a unless you vision and the we is watch, we're leaving a pound so i think what we're facing, it's mistake or 40 or so the integration for extinguishing politics because if you go to the french jail, so you would see lots and lots of the diversity in the jail. and as a lawyer, you can, you can see of course, that the migration of the consequences with nearly queens and i'm from united states. but in fact, it doesn't mean that the police,

the special arrest is after the events of this young good man passed away because not accepting the police fun tool, it opens the door and the best phone funding process because it's pretty people i used to say that the french police addresses on this is a weekend to do agree on got to can sometimes are, there is on use, but you must not forget that the french print states defense mostly on to everything must be in control, but the justice was so, so 2 points that they would oversee around the i think 4000 people were arrested or detained in those protests and the you and this is criticized funds for the wide spread attention of people. do you think it was an excessive in your view or not? i think it's success. if you cannot find some funds, i'm kind of, i mean, you say so the police on good any deal with the police,

but it's very small cases. it's not all the police on. it's because you have the minimum case that's it's all the police you don't have to do to make kind of a generic and see all of these issues. and we must know, i think un is acting on, on the police equal weight some way. now you mentioned before that there are sort of diversity quotas within the priest for the police force in front, and it is indeed diverse. why do you think the killing of this, this teenage of algerian defense visit nights? it's so widely in front and cause such violence on the streets that we saw for 567 days. yes, because the insides why the trucks run to see the shopping costs because um this young guy was driving a car without license it was it passed off on the it was right driving generously in the cd. so the police stop in and they asked him to stop acting. fortunately,

the police officer shot shot with these guns on the young man pass away, but to fight it was taken as a political practice to, to show the, the contribution officer into the integration in france. because you have another for me ration, and this is me direction to use the kind of offer problem. but it's real problem. and the, this is what font size is green. facing the few, the fletcher and finally finished, but i just want to get your thoughts on, on microns handling of the situation. initially, he sold to condemn the police and the situation. then he condemned the riotous and then you still blamed at social media as well as even mulling social media blackouts during, during, during search on rest in the country. do you think it's under the well, or do you think these position has been undermined?

not only by these protests but the pension before one's a couple of weeks ago as well. i think that's, as i said, the macro is a very weak president playing on the from games on the when the events of that scenario showed by the police, the company and the police officer in the, as the president smoked his role to make just this, you'd still suggest is to judge the police officer but not the president. i'm the president. my cro must know that he's power. is you too old the police forces because it only, he's the electoral term was controlled by the police because look for best cars because of the people not happy with this policy on. i think the was leasing some why isn't this a to say on to take positions for the way? well, they've developed so in a joining those live from powers of pleasure to have you on the program. this stuff today. thank you very much for walking to see the address and the un reaction to it

. they do. the dozens of protest is gathered in front of the united nations headquarters in new york on friday, the money and then to us support for israel and it's decades long. conflict with palestine or the radi came and response to this weeks is really rate on the westbank city of janine for triple to the left. 12 people died including 3 children . operation was branded by the u. n. chief as the west volumes in the region in years as well said it was targeting militants, demonstrated in your though disagreed as the senior people are not put down. because a lot of their courage, the palestinian people are put down, but you are towards the palestinian peoples cargo. the only thing that stands in its way is we are moto, the united states. we will continue to stay until the old, mighty with this compassion bring all 3 pallets sided. part do we can embrace the palestinians, the wouldn't it was the of the muslim provided for us

a home. that was your name. they just the package you name every time the court and it's because they're defending themselves. well meanwhile us funds to push ahead with building is new ibis in jerusalem have for the rest of the palestinian authority, which is accused washington of having a quote policy of next station and a pot side. it claims that construction will happen on lines taken from them by false do united states through, with the legal decision to recognize jerusalem as a capital of an occupying power and to build an embassy on private property and endowments lands, which was seized in 1948 from palestinian owners, among whose heirs are residents of jerusalem and american citizens violates international law and supports policies of annexation and apartheid. instead of policies that serve, adjust and last and peace. back in 2017 the then us present. donald trump announced

funds to relocate the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem after officially recognizing it as the is fairly capital. and surprisingly, the move spots on get across the, our world and claims of both washington as well as violated international law. and now, and you have this is set to be built on line. the palestinians claim was stolen from their own festus. the status of jerusalem has long been a subject of disputes. israel has controlled inside city since the end of the 6 day war back in the 67 or the palestinians consider eastern use them as occupied territory. we heard from some of those living in the city to the american decision to move examples that contradicts american foreign policy, especially since moving to the embassy and the 2 state solution. now the biggest tragedy is that they even move the embassy onto the listing on land owned by philistines. this is even a bigger contradiction. and violation in the middle of the embassy was already built on palestinian land, even if it was in tel aviv. it's still on palestinian land because tel aviv is the

1st of on that. but these are in the occupation derives or to support an international, military, financial and moral pilot from america. america is the tip of the spirit and the struggle with palestinians. and everything done by america with the arab states and regimes is for recruiting the men, controlling that political decisions, which is always in favor of the occupying state to be the key. the us is the one encouraging the occupied to break international law and keeps there keep patient state above international law. jerusalem isn't occupied city, according to international law. you as brags about democracy, the right of self determination. an international law then submits to this breach and establishes its embassy, imp, listing in land, or the legal director of an organization. fighting to ensure that an embassy is not built on the site. so how to sharra says the current at us decision on the mazda is fall from final. as we find the objections today, are you sort of just as well to the u. s. embassy and department of state in

washington? a with approve documents of title documents that proves the publishing and ownership of this specific is site on behalf of hands of the owners of senior refugees. a, we claim that these properties were illegally confiscated and seized by the is there any authorities on the inside of the law and, and hopefully they won't get to the stage of asking for the payment to build on the site. and the case is still ongoing. it also is there any authorities has made they have made a decision on that massive planning, but still there is a stage of u. s. o, sort of these asking to issue a parent to build their uh do the diplomatic compound on the site. so we hopefully a it wish and it would be appropriate not to

go forward with it. besides the asset that we got from the us department of state was that they haven't made up their mind yet. no final decisions were made. and it's through this process, the history of the land ownership on the side will be seriously consider those. the main story is this. so do you head over to our websites, r t dot com on our social media pages of all the latest updates monies be discards, and i'll be back at the top of the hour. thanks for watching. the in the city with the temperature is 3 degree higher already from the neighboring down the right. because i think, townships having chucked the trees back in tucker in the name of development. and

he's our 1st to become a gap between like a single or we are all going to or organizations and just covering all the grieves we've gone. so when you distract nature, it takes every range of the there's an old saying, war is hell. it is hell, it's full of death and destruction and the worst of human kind. in the meantime, war is more complicated than most people realize. there are legal and illegal ways to go about waging war and war crimes and crimes against humanity are all too frequent. perhaps more importantly, the effects of war on the human psyche can be devastating. just imagine the effects work and have on the people fighting them when those people understand what's

happening. and when they have an appreciation for the legal justification for war, it's called moral injury. i'm john kerry. ok, welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 matthew, whoa, is a former soldier, a former diplomat and a whistle blower in 2007 after his 2nd deployment to iraq, post traumatic stress disorder. moral injury and severe depression took over his life and he began drinking heavily. thoughts of suicide became his constant companion. in 2012, he stopped drinking and sought to take care of his mental health. in 2016, he was diagnosed with a traumatic brain injury in addition to the moral injury and depression. and all of this came after his whistle blowing from 2002 to 2008. matthew worked on the

afghanistan and iraq moore's on police and operations issues at the pentagon and at the state department interspersed during that period. matthew was an active duty member of the us military. he took part in the american occupation of iraq 1st and so heading province with a state department, reconstruction and governance team. and then in unbar province, as a marine corps company commander in 2008. he was assigned to afghanistan, but in 2009 he resigned in protest of the american escalation of the war there. since then, he's been a senior fellow with a center for international policy. matthew hose, bravery in standing up to the might of the american military industrial complex has been recognized repeatedly by his peers. he's the recipient of the written our prize for truth telling. and he was named as a defender of liberty by the committee for the republic. matthew ho, welcome to the show. thanks so much for being with us. hi, john, it's good to see fake and have me i'm. i'm very happy to see you matt. i,

i want to begin by telling our viewers that you and i are friends and i am thrilled that you're here with us. your story is so important to tell. and at the same time, it's also very complicated. you are progressive politically. you are also a patriot. so let's begin with your career. tell us how you began in the military and then how you transitioned to the state department. sure, and yeah, it is complicated like most everyone's lives are complicated, not nothing is, are really straightforward. and even years afterwards and you look back, you wonder how does that happen? how do i get to that point? how am i here now? so but i graduated college, i worked for a little bit in finance, so i was bored. this was the late ninety's. i want to do something bigger with my life. want to be part of something important or do something serious. one to challenge myself. i end up joining the marine corps and i went to officer candidate school on january of 1998. uh sir. uh was it. that was an organizer pam for

a number of years, was in the pentagon and then ended up going to the rock wars. and after being in iraq where it's twice moved over to the state department where i was appointed as a foreign service officer. and he was in my that 3rd deployment to where the time to afghanistan with the state department as a political officer. when i was, you know, morally and, you know, actually broken, the dishonest, these are the wars was, was, was crippling me. i was, uh, so you mentioned no suicide or at that point because of what i had done, what i had taken part in. and so seeing the escalation of that war and afghanistan by the obama administration, i chose to resign rather than they continue to take part in the wars. and when i did so i did so to quit, to walk away from it all, hoping i could leave it all behind. and here we are almost 14 years later, still talking about it because the reality is the wars are still going on. and even in afghanistan, one is no more american troop presence. the war goes on. yes. so the asking people,

the suffering goes on, is just a different phase of that work. you're absolutely right. you and i are similar in that following the 911 attacks. we wanted to serve our country, we believed that we were the good guys and we were supportive, at least early on of us policy in the region. we both drew a line at the rock. however, i worked on the rock war from ca headquarters. i was opposed to it from the beginning. you were on the ground in iraq. you were opposed to it from the beginning. tell us about that experience and about what you saw there. all right, so excuse me. so i left uh uh, from the secretary of navies office to go to a rock. so i was a pretty junior officer in a very high level office. and so i had probably more than awareness of what had been occurring and the distance between what was officially being said about the war and what was actually occurring in a rock. so in that 1st year, so as, as the white house,

the pentagon and the major media reported that things were going ok, it wasn't so bad, it just took me to time to shake out. i had the intelligence in front of me as well as colleagues, friends of mine in the marine corps who were in iraq, who were, you know, saying this is not going well at all. so by the time i get to a rock my 1st time in spring of 2004, i had this idea that this war, of course, at that point we understood to be a lie. we understood. there were no weapons of mass destruction. there were no ties to off high to etc, but also to this war was a colossal era for american foreign policy. that what we had done was catastrophic notches for the rocky people, but for the entire region in the repercussions, we're going to be something that the united states is going to have to deal with for years and years to come. so you look at it from that, that policy perspective of what we did and what resulted from that cause. so many fires cause so much instability, that you almost have to look at it and say ma'am,

was planned because how could i be so incompetent? but i think as both you and i, john, no, yes, that incompetency. certain that in competency certainly does exist in those um, full display in the iraq war. i think one of the things that we think you would agree with this and this gets into this idea of moral injury, is that even though you disagree with it, you take part because you think you can do some good. you think that you can be a moral agent that you will retain your own moral agency. the reality is that in something like or you cannot, you're, you're, you're, you're nothing compared to that leviathan to that sports of nature. and so you become subsumed by it and you become an agent of the war. so whatever, however you think you're going to do good, however, you're thinking your own bubble in your own spaces. you will do well that you will, you will not harm others that you will have a white hat on. the reality is by taking part in the war you're wearing a black hat. oh, you're absolutely right mad. you were in the middle of

a promising career in diplomacy and national security when you were assigned to afghanistan, but you took exception to u. s. policy there in a big way. and you resigned from government. what was happening at the time that like you to that decision as well? personally i was, i was again, like i said before, intellectually morally broke and then i, i think that's the best way to describe it. i just lied to myself for so long about these wars gone on with the wars, be training, all kinds of principles and values that i held in that is the essence of more injury that you transgress that. well, you're your core foundations of who you are and whether those be inspired by religious or ethical, or moral or historical or what have you. under paintings, you've transgressed those and it, and it's a darkness that uh, it is hard to describe unless you had experience it. and what i planed to people i want to point out to people is go back to high school, go back to macbeth,

m recall lady macbeth. and having the blood on her hands and how she can get that blood off her hands. and she didn't even do the killing right, she but she was involved with it and that guilt consumes her and ultimately destroys her. and i think when people reference and understand in the largest human sense, the largest and his larger idea of regret, deal shame, and how powerful those things are taking part in the worst continue in july, and then getting to ask a lie to myself about what i was doing and then getting to afghanistan and, and say, thinking okay, maybe this will be different than a rock maybe this time where we'll have a purpose. maybe this and ministration will have some objective in terms of actually like bringing about stability, bringing about some end to the suffering, the asking, and people doing something that actually promotes american security rather than continuing to jeopardize it by have by, you know, conducting these occupations. and so seeing that the obama ministration was no

different than the bush administration, seeing that the escalation of that war, which was a mass of escalation of the war member when brock obama comes in the office. there's about 3035000 american troops in afghanistan about equivalent number of contractors and about 15000 nato troops. by 18 months later there is a quarter 1000000 man, western army composed of us troops, data troops, and contractors in afghanistan. so it was a mass of escalation of the war. seeing that, that was just gonna fuel the insurgency, give reason for the taliban, allow them to have that credibility as a national liberation army. which most asking wouldn't agree with when you put a gun to their head and say, hey, it's take the foreigners or pick the taliban. unfortunately, many parts afghanistan, they choose the top. it's a seeing all this understanding it but then realizing that it was not at all different than are ok. right. knowing where i will. uh, that was my point where i said i have to leave.