dramatic the i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk the time after time. so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from do buying the you a tomorrow may mark the anniversary of the creation of nazi aligned vc fronts. but it also is when leaders of the washington axis fighting russia through ukraine, gathering the if you ania to discuss the battle plans not only against moscow, but may jing as well. so how far will washington go? is your ups economies decline and taxes,

and rising in the shadows of nuclear war doc and in length, and the retired lieutenant general of russia's armed forces? chapman and the executive council. as a russian incentive of policy studies, you have gained the bush and ski joins me now from moscow. thank you so much and in general for coming on. so billions of dollars being bought in dues and then skis coffers. uh, what do you expect from this summit in vilnius tomorrow as well. uh, actually, uh, i did not expect much. uh frankly, uh because uh well, i understand basically patients of uh is their landscape personally and ukraine in your claim, the ukraine and leadership of that uh something something real capital business as regards uh, the innovation of your train to today alliance. but i don't think that's feasible. first of all, because uh while the, except uh, some uh,

fees and by russian stays like voltage stays full and uh, we would like to see uh you, graham in may, but tomorrow be respectful of the consequences. uh, there are a lot of, uh, there are many, uh, european countries which oppose this, at least until the crisis is over. more or even the, by the administration though use against the has the innovation of ukraine and tomorrow. or i would say that, but if i'm sure that the informal contacts between russian government, the us government, i think that the russian side will uh, accept, already been leave or if not, we will deliver it. very clear saying now that if your claim is in by they have been war uh, will not be over. because that was one of the main goals of the uh,

restroom. special operation to prevent your trade in membership in b, a lapse of course. and they could try that for and say, look, rusher made a mistake, that's why they do is going to allow them in the most of the ca, bill. bunch fomor, i'm best of that to moscow. he made the secret trip, apparently, to caesar lensky. you think bill burns might have been explaining this lensky way. obviously, ukraine gone joining nato because that would mean logical 5 would require britain and who knows who else to attack russia. this is for uh the visit the bill burns. uh, the key recently i seen that uh yes and as the i, i agree that uh, one of the uh, one of the uh, points on the gym that was the ukrainian ukrainian aspirations. as for uh, joining the alliance. i'm sure that uh there is uh,

explain the, uh, current us position and prospect. so ukraine in a mentor, a more i, i suspect that even in the united states, you are respectful, these claims that we will support deeply your brand as long as i mean, they understand that the, uh, the, the picture on the bed battlefield is not in favor of you. oh uh the is a very, very uh why is it has the size uh, actions as counter offensive or offensive. i don't understand why it comes in are going to be fully counter offensive because russia, uh, there's not, there's no, uh, in fact, you well, uh, was not being offensive. uh, do they do for their opinions to a launch count there we think it's a rush or that has the counter offensive in effect, since the 24 team gu. that's right. then. moreover,

i think that the calendar offensive will be launched by russian federation. i don't know where i'm at in a week in the months, maybe in a couple of months, but uh for sure. uh the this uh, this, uh, uh, the stage of conflict bill. uh, initially the rest encounter offensive and, but i'm sure it will be successful. so i think that the americans understand that sooner or later they've got to sit down at the table and find some solution. the made it a peaceful solution to the conflict. and yeah, of course i fool there's variance explained to as the landscape that she is black is kind of a fan busy is kind of, we feel thinking of these boundaries of 1991 tried me back cabinets and back preparations, contributions. so there wants to play a winner,

it will never happen. you know, bill burns. yes, i know bill there is a i got acquainted with him when he was invested. there us invested in moscow them during my um well there is uh, this is through washington. i had to meet in smithville veterans where he was buried to have the uh, the same, the part. yeah. do you think? yeah, he is a sensible sort of person because what do you think of the fact that uh, uh, in britain there, uh, politicians talking about the need to go to wall out war with russia rather than presumably using ukraine is a proxy. and the fact that other states in europe, but talking about the need to start, i don't know, blowing up parts of russia as well. uh you see, i don't understand the purpose of well, uh,

the whole of course uh the uh and by, uh, russian, uh, uh, so far the position of andre basement is not the, the, the is the secret is being like this for, for the kids, for the 1st centers, so we have no illusions about the the position um do you think bill buns understands? uh well bill barnes. uh bill barrons uh is uh a different story available at the moment. i bought a bill bearings uh yuki. i just wondered whether you saw it since your new bill buttons, car and head of the ca, whether he would recognize that uh, some of the voices in your a but not practical. yes, of course. of course i insure above that, i am sure about that. he recognizes that position um, uh sometimes is, is extreme as a model. where are the, there is now a lot of talk about, especially in the u. k. the don't be afraid of russia don't be afraid of nuclear

weapons as not so it's not so bad. jersey has no so frightening. we can. uh, just uh, 5 the limited the limited nuclear war uh, in the ukraine or in the russian. is it so or asking us and so well i, i, i don't know. no, i can't understand why a reasonable people m a i believe that people are in and you gave me and do a government in the governments of other european concept even though the baltics and they are a very reasonable enough not to talk about new play restaurants because it's a, it's episodes they are responsible especially especially especially there for re. i'll get on to nuclear weapons in a 2nd. but of course media restricts is restricted in britain very uh,

very strictly. you can talk about nazis and ukraine, yukon, talk about zalinski stepping elections next year. so it's not a democracy. but in the media landscape, can you understand that confusion because they're all they talk about is the pre, goshen, much to moscow. i mean what, what exactly happened because precautions seems to be strengthened showing who is strengthened. puche it is strengthened and the media don't know in nato countries how to describe what actually happened. even they are not really saying anymore, oh, put it is about to full. what, what's your understanding of what happened on june 24th? well, uh is it is all about money. it's all about money. it would be because. uh, regarding uh was uh is, is it a business name? uh, yes, with uh, some uh, terminal affairs. but he has a business name. she. uh,

he is the owner of the huge uh, catherine company. uh to morrow where she is. uh he used to be, oh, i don't know the state though. uh the the state the smile, but there was the whole there. oh uh, private moves or company wagner mc it came from this state from the minister of defense president put in uh, worst out uh, recently the figures in yearly, as for live on the catering contract with the minister of defense the last few years here are $1000000000.00 us dollars in years can c plus here are and love see, but uh the state be to use the people in the company more than 1000000000 years dollars as the salaries insurance. uh,

all kinds of compensations. uh. so she, she, she was doing quite good, quite a lot of money, but uh when uh to use, uh, i would say uh, quarter oh, misunderstandings with us to show you more. and i just thought you guys are gonna stop in it though. finish that uh for uh for this year, the minister of defense uh, if used to prolong their income for the 1st 2nd uh, the middle. so defense decided that, oh uh well of years old private companies and a wise man is not the only private manager company which is acting in the, in your crate. all these companies, uh, sure, uh, signing a contract with the minister of defense and uh, actually uh,

uh for themselves and the direct amount of lot of people and the company. but the direct amount of the minister of defense to pardon was uh, the only leader on the ball and they were on the private company who refused. after that, the show said, in this case, you are out of the back of you. you may have whenever you want to, in africa, in asia where you study the deal with about the brand and ukraine, only complex units subordinate the general stuff. so the last throw defense will continue a special operation after that. of course, uh gordon. when furious and uh, actually uh, be these uh, riskless them absolutely senseless. next, well we're talking about the wagner group, but is the fact that rushes ministry defense allows privatize ation in the

4th is a problem with some sort of legacy of the neo liberal ninety's. do you think that has to be a re thinking the russian ministry of defense of using private contract is i know you've said that in the nato may suffer because of using private contract is justin manufacturer of a munition to replace that destroyed by the russian army i only see i have nothing against the private company as i remember the, the it was uh, in uh, 2010. uh. besides the mind, when the conversations in the ministry of defense started about the private company is mitch uh, used to be in the west, especially us, uh, companies in iraq. uh like, uh, uh, blackwood there and the others above. it was agreed that the title company is i needed to ask the broad aware, uh, official, uh, official, uh,

a russian uh military involvement is not, is not advisable for the political reasons. so then what my, or of course uh, organized the 1st it was in uh, 2011 and i don't remember exactly. and the, uh, the area of uh, responsibility if i am able to like this was uh, made the effort to advisors. training theres uh, instructors, uh so we very uh move on support. i mean uh from the view button don't material from the minister of defense, but uh the political uh gallery was provided in a general position scale stop. you have more from the chairman of the executive council of the russian center for policy studies after this break the,

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i lazy less city where the temperature is 3 degree higher already from the neighboring down woods. you know, right? because i big down ships having chucked up the trees, but in tucker in the name of development, and he's our 1st to become a skeptical like a single we are all going to, there are the lines, the issue then just covering all the degrees with the phone so when you distract nature, it takes the the welcome back to going under go and i'm still here with you ever get any vision scheme which i do tend to general of the russian forces and chairman of the executive council as the russian incentive of policy

studies so we were talking about the wagner and privatization of cause some in rush, you're talking about class elements in the car and conflict. i mean, why is it anecdotally, people talk about the rich russians being able to escape the draft and the poor ones having to go to the front? was that always their bread? since the russian federation was created to after the full of the soviet union, or is it a new thing as well? uh sir, so uh, i didn't know to agree that uh reach uh, the part and uh on that of course uh there is, uh, some uh, social inequality in the pressure like in, uh oh uh, free, uh, market country is maybe in the rest of the, the gap as to why that's true about uh, people uh who are now find the trade. especially volunteers,

especially people. so very uh, signed contracts with uh, mirrors thrown defense smiled. if you guys, each of the 1400 people uh, signing a contract with the minister of defense and uh, going through your trade. uh since the 1st of january deal. uh yes, to the 1081 terms with 85000 people all the way the same contracts with the minister of defense. so if that's uh, the, the, the, the mary, uh both you get it for uh for me and reserve for the future down there offensive, by the way. uh so, uh, i know what a lot of people from there. well, uh, a month to reach about uh, from uh the family lives with the area and some income. cool. uh, voluntary uh, when through your brain and uh, finding uh for, for,

for the goals of the i guess manager will have to wait for the statistics on that. one question. its a as often be nice and of course the nature of countries of last was in recent, he is in iraq, afghanistan, and maybe a syria, but they usually start off by a really bombarding cities. why is russia not used to force to bomb you grant this this, this uh, very uh, good question. reach i was asked by my american grant. this is a european mcwilliam, especially in america. why didn't view of bomb uh, your train. uh, as soon as you get all the a s, if you're already in the all the meals but, and by the way, the 1st 2 weeks away in a rush environment managed to destroy pettigrew with all males or infrastructure. i mean uh, air base is main basis,

although without for me but still be the uh, and buy a truck system. uh, but uh there was, you see um i may agree or not, but then that's the position of the present because civilians are still being killed in don't yet every other day. right. right. and we also get money at the input, but frankly, i don't understand why we, uh, the, uh, in fact, uh, some, uh, some of them is a spectrum internet, especially pages, especially uh, right away a little bit. but it was, uh, it seems like i see the, the civilian objects of the infrastructure and best position of the president, but not the effect of the simulators as actually on the page. a lot of people do not understand this, but that's the position of the russian president and the russian guy. maybe it's because when they to does it and has done it in iraq, afghanistan,

they'd be in syria, they ended up losing the was. who knows? so is the plan to just wait for all this west and weaponry to queue up and certainly destroy every tank. every hymer, every of whatever, a multi $1000000.00 piece of equipment being given away. does it lensky comes up and just destroyed all one by one b fact which was a sped expected, especially by the landscape, by you agreeing that west stomach with them will be the major major states. and for those very in ukraine, turned out to be mildly speaking and not through well uh, actually since the 4th of june, they bought it and go the official information of the minister of defense ukraine. last uh, more than to 20000. uh, people uh, best and now and uh about $1000.00 pieces of uh, armor including banks,

a cds. uh, and also uh other uh, arms vehicles. uh so we, uh, i do not expect that. uh yes, americans decided it does look like uh, some uh sir, the visa. so bradley, but i do see a lease fee goes. when did sir the uh well uh parts are go or yep. parts or no, uh, from your store. uh, supply for uh, leopard. uh, bags for 620, it doesn't matter. it's not the number uh which is uh, so bought uh for the sliding in the, in the, in the, in, in your trade. i am sure that 1st of all, uh, sooner laser, i presume it is still there. your opinion is really so thankful i'd say better. so now the and, and, and the equipment reach by some countries are supplying equipment. the munitions

not, not, not the mass for, for a saw something decisive on the part of the tree. well, western european populations seem to support the government and their policy to fight to fight on. do you think this is because russia is losing the propaganda or the perception war? obviously in nature was before they have journalists, who would um, i'll give a lie for them of whether it be iraq, syria, or afghanistan. olivia, it doesn't look good. does it to see drones attacking the kremlin, the coach bridge being destroyed, the north stream to be destroyed? assassinations of john lives in moscow and saint petersburg. how, how is russia gonna convince western europe that they're being lied to? where you see, of course, your, you know, it better than me as a journalist, as i mean, man, that all be why it's the media,

all the major use papers to the stations. the programs, the radio programs in that a, they are all is the russian. they are uh, every being is every hour they are broadcasting. oh, well i will say dogs are big chairs. i was going on in your train pulling fantasy in fantasy. it's illegal not to be up against rusher arguably and say, britain. i mean, i, i'm going to ask you, i mean, we now know that there 50 british troops soldiers in ukraine from jack tex areas, pentagon bates, ken russia, responds to what the british deployment of british soldiers. presumably they have to train people to see uh, what do you see uh, the previous soldiers officially, the adjust medicine there is and then of course,

you know, they're buying the british and so yeah, so special forces, according to the leaks from the pentagon, the jack next era revealed and is going to jail for revealing. well, uh you see that's not very that bestbuy. that's my opinion. it's not a sufficient reasonable star war with yuki. uh, but we, uh, let's say we get rid of those people. uh you, you, graeme and it's not maybe maybe it's not a very a right not the not to publicly and be slow is the fact that the so many so many british uh people who are already killed in bacon prism. i think it's, uh, there are a lot of, uh, elite that go under the name you know,

and use in all these actions. but though we know that there are casualties in mind that the bid to ship the citizens in mind, the us citizens, to other europeans. but the, the, the figures in the figures and not made public by the national ministers in the sense. well, there's been another talk of nuclear weapons. people can watch on camera, gun of interview on rumble. but and of course made video is talking about days being quite probable. they'll be nuclear will eat on musk. uh perhaps the richest man in the world. he's helped a john list because he was freed up to it to, to be on sensitive. but if it will, the us and western european weaponry is all and it just be destroyed in the next few months. you said that you're on most styling system has been given to useful for us and then skis, a neo nazi link troops in ukraine. yes,

i understand that the star link is being used in uh for me on through purposes. uh, that's an open secret. but the problem is studying that at the destroy every single uh, uh, trans moving station its uh why the best and uh you said the use uh maybe uh, drones, uh, maybe use but uh, it's not ready to go solution. the solution will be the, will the destruction of the space component, the styrene, but that would entail the, the, the best wouldn't be the very highest stage of installation in the confrontation with united states. other than being guy saying that uh, russian president is not ready for um, direct uh confirmation that in about a space it wants to go to the general general questions. okay,

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