the devil's waits, the obliteration of them, you may result the death of 800000 inhabitants of the indians. however, the british empire never broke the free spirit of the indians and their will will resist the the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on funeral though, it goes without saying nato was a very aggressive military alliance. but who would have thought that at the core of its belief system was believing in unicorns the bible administration's decision to set a cluster bombs to ukraine, demonstrates this the,

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j in their cash. he's an award winning journalist and commentator, and in budapest we cross the george samuel. he's a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen cross up rules of effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest. well wherever we're going up of the escalation ladder again, a, something that the by the administration said would be a potential war crime sending cluster. obviously ukraine. um is now. um, um regular policy here we have a dot, a pending unofficial se remarkably rushing victory worse than civilian cluster bomb depths. that's the us pentagon. so george, the come oto is open for everyone to see. and it's pretty ugly. george, it's as a,

as a, as i think it's a big way. you're absolutely right. is saying that the united states, the glad early on that it's alleged russia was using, plus the bombs. and that this was on down, terribly, a war crime. so now binds, says this was a very difficult decision to take, but nonetheless we to okay, then the end, of course, this is all this has been divided into ministration. mine, so i will long. no, no, absolutely. now we're not going to do this. no, no, we're not doing them this problem. i yeah. all right. you, when once you see it, you bring it up, let's do it. so now we've had these wounds of off and really from the beginning we've been told really getting all the way back to trump and the, the javelin javelins was supposedly you're going to be the, the game changer for ukraine. and then we've had all the howard says on the high mas, uh, we have the bradley fighting vehicles. we've had the, the, the, the, the tanks, the left foot tanks. uh now you know them we had a few,

a few weeks ago the, the hollow blue over the f sixteens. so now is the cluster munitions. and of course these will fail inevitably. 5 then you have to wonder, well, what's the next step? because it doesn't look like the wants to give up. so it has to keep moving along the escalation latter. but it has basically still no hope of winning unless it gets directly involved this out. then i still don't bucks, that nato is not a party to the conflict on that would, doesn't want to get involved directly. and so then a child to see what else that can do other than go on on this destructive bar. you know, mine is it's, it's very interesting is that, you know, they, they, they, they, here's the russian going up the escalation ladder, but it's only the russians react to it and that, that is problematic in itself. and we have discussed this um, this program. but i thought it really remarkable that, you know, the, the,

you know, most of the world outlaw outlaws, these munitions, actually a number of them, a members of nato do as well. but for a country like ukraine wanting to this to deploy them on their own territory. i mean, again, you're good and it's, it is, you have to scratch your head and seeing what you get out of it. you're going to destroy your agriculture, make land on usable on, say, for maybe decades. if longer, i mean, this is desperation, this is panic. as we've talked about before, martin, you're taking the word out of my mouth discretion. yeah. absolute desperation. and how can you think you look at this strategy without seeing it within, within a context of losing sight of losing strategy? because, i mean, it must be very confusing for lensky and it's about a new thing. i'm in care of looking at this thinking. okay, well you know, job, i didn't have a moment that listed it to, you know, he, i see there was just a moment of silence. he was just punched. it was a few seconds. we actually said 2 magenta's. i think what we're running low on m a

and that was the key point. we're running the we've known this for a long time. we predicted it on the show months ago, but you're going to reach this tipping point where you can't really carry on functioning. but i'm sure it's honestly, i'm really shocked to they would go this low because i know a bit about plus to bumps in a few of the was i've come up there been just about the last one in 2006. when these ready, i'm an 11, i'm where i was the coming up for you and there is like a recall just a bums test of homes of you'll choose to what i'll click there really. okay. there's nothing lost. you have nothing more malicious, nothing really more gut wrench and then the officer affects. so trustable is why, because the people who get killed by plus to bones are basically children, as well happens with customs is about 20 percent and don't exclude the other problems around them. this old, almost around the ground was to explode. a couple of the ones that don't explode with soil to, so that means the so, so the stay in the ground for decades. you look at allows, you know,

270000000 comfortable in the americans drops, allows and still today children are being killed buddies, customer on. so what is the strategy behind this? i'm wondering, i just want to how much of this is coming from your training and coming from kids have all the factoring in the us? i think, i think uh, i think what we're looking at is these are not going to be use offensive with an offensive strategy. i think they can be used in a defensive way. when they assume russians were fine, we break the lines and come over and possibly what happens, you dropping it across to booms. you create just absolutely can see in civilian debts, but trust the bonds. i mean, there's confusion. so they can have american propaganda machine will actually projects, i'm fake it and show this to be a russian atrocity look what the rest is done. you know we, we, we would just pull our defenses. we have to use our customs against the powerful

tanks. and that powerful on a and now the images that we've got now. yeah, it's interesting on against the, we've got a lot of images of russian and you kind of in troops can each of the horrible terrific images we don't have much of. is that children a disability and that's going to change the cost of bummed decision would create a new media agenda. and you're going to see lots of free hand up video, little western media and understand that the subject is going to be done civilians and the children is going to be on this side of the board and on the, on the crime, separate agency, american cluster, the american made cluster bombs the day, the george george, the, the, the, you know, you know, looking at this and of enter bigger perspective. so in, in a couple of days that will be the building as nato summit. so we're not going to give you membership, but we're going to give you a cluster bombs where you complete your own territory. what a deal, what do you say george?

well, it's a, it's a real ball again. so without the other, and that's uh the, that's going to be the message. but the interesting thing is you, i mean, you mention about how the most nato member states actually signed onto the convention on plus the, me, a nation. i think something like 25 other study ones, so it's, it's almost all of them assigned on. so what are they doing about at the moment they're letting known to that favorite journal as well with very, very unhappy about this. this is not a good thing. you know, we're losing a moral standard, you know, well, it was the moral high ground receiving the high ground to the russians. but of course, the americans just the life in the sleeve when when they hear is because it doesn't matter what america's nato popping to say, america calls the shots and our french dolton. but said this,

or we have different views on this on like it. some don't like, it's on a think it's illegal, some though it's up to each individual nature member space and that's it. that's, that's it. that's going to be the position. you know, we, you know, we can complain, but america calls the shots, give them that's really going to be it. so by doing sort of made clear when we're not going to get ukraine into nato while the war is taking place. so why did you say that as well? yes, the voltage stage bowl um, you know, bloss 30, you gotta get it. got to get in and out. now is now is the time to do it. but none of these are serious military forces. i mean, the only country in nature that is us, there is much, was the united states, and obviously, you, i, this days knows you grains in nato, then it means war was rushing and actually it doesn't want that. so that's it. you know, well, so therefore we're going to fall view off, cluster munitions, and you know, we will give you a, a, a nato ukraine council. it's

a very grand type of major, your grand counsellor. you can have that. um, but no, no membership. uh so the time being the twel martin, i mean what was, why would the us the board membership, i mean they have the best of all possible worlds right now, is they, they can, they can give you nations in armory and everything else to the ukrainians and still be able to quote unquote stay out of the conflict while they're ukrainian brethren are dying and drugs, i mean and, and now their children will start dying here. i mean the people are watching inventory and e and jake sullivan blank and they must think this is such a sweet heart d a sweetheart deal for them now you radians. of course one moment. yes, i think so, and it's a lot street. right. what was the american sign up to anything which would just take this conflict to complete, you know, level under level that most of us couldn't even imagine in our streams they want to contain it. but um, it's interesting the storybook press conference

a couple days ago revealed quite a lot. and i admit, i watched it start off. i didn't watch it and i listen to them. i'm the some of the things they were saying were quite profound. i think there's a money problem, not only a whole bunch of hardware problem. there's also a money problem. and the problem with these institutions like nature and why the e u is only have a default setting in my experience of coming to lose you as the default setting is when things don't go well, we oscar more money. he doesn't want to time. you know, when we fail and what we do, we don't think about it. it sounds crazy, but that's what they do. and that's what's happening right now with nature. stilton, but i think has been kept on for another year. not just because he was just the most sick of sunsets of a vile puppy, but, but you could never imagine any is, but it's all about money. um, nature needs more money. oh martin, who really wants the job at this point. okay. i mean, the way things are going this conflict will be bookend by stilton berg. it'll be

binding stilton birds war in brooklyn. we'll. we'll be talking about it for a long time. but he's got his name all over it. i don't think there's a lot of people that say, i don't know if that's a good career move right now, cuz they're, they're defaulting too close to the you want to be, well, didn't want to be in that situation. i'm sorry, keep going. know, so back with the money thing. i mean, he still, somebody made a huge issue about um, now, uh, nate's, a budget was expanded by 8 percent this year, which he said was completely aggressive. well, it will need to be, you know, needs to be spent of a lot more, not on the so happy the 11 members or company reaching the cheapest set of gdp criteria. but it really is all about money running out of stock. so running a village equipment generally, i mean if you look at the last week, i mentioned it shows abundance. bank is basically bank to help in a central bank be bankrupt. how do you, how does the gems expect to fund it? will do to understand is when this kit is sent to is boss with taxpayers money from the central bank. so these are these countries, if these countries are running out of cash, then that means the war is, you know,

i think still them, but realizes, but it's as much about money is about equipment. and we need to push this. this idea of this program that we need more more money and i think the take away from it is, but i'm going to contradict myself. i said a few weeks ago, i think that some that the west is looking at short term strategy short term, or i think what's happening now with nature with member states and this meeting of those is, are they all now shifting a goal post again? i think that should have been the subject, right. cause it's a very important hold up. now we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people.

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the products go back to americas martin as usual, we go to a hard break and you're trying to make an important point. so basically, that was the other side of the shift. now we're having a shifting gopher strategy, which nature indulges itself in many times. this one now is plus the bones very much a losing structure. you very much. let's put your trained on the back foot. i look at the defensive way of slowing down the russians. and also let's introduce a new scene, which i think you're gonna see a lot of in the future, which is nature also for more and more money. why? because i think for the 1st time, the west of nature, and i just haven't notice that they're looking at the wrong one now. no, no, no longer think about 6 months. and they said now that finally starting to realize this could be a few years. and we have to prepare for it. well george, i mean ukraine is, is being clabbered right now. i mean, how many years can they sustain something like this?

we have to remember also infrastructure is being degraded and with the, obviously, with the loss of life. i always, it just got to strikes me gentlemen, before we move on is that you know, that, you know, for years and years and years, you know, and trump really got wound up about this, you know, you have to pay 2 percent of g d p to your defense, so here we are with an excess dental war, but you still case going use like point 5 more for it. i mean, infectious dental. i mean, you know, i mean we've, we've seen all these world war to build, you know, they have, you know, it's always an arsenal democracy, everybody's mobile lines and all that. but nobody wants to walk away from there, you know, cap and she knows and lot to use, i guess. okay, if you just let the ukrainians do it, george. well, that's the thing. i mean nature is, it's a protection racket, but it's a protection rank it. but is run by the united states and people, the european member states. it's a freebie for them as it has been both decades, which is the americans would always do it. and the americans complain is they all

way into like trump, in particular, but even all of this of comply. yeah. europeans on doing and up and not bullying that way. but why, what the europeans bull the way? because they know the americans will always step up. they would always come up the money as trumpet. so of course they're going to say, no, we don't have the money, but you know, we give you a dollar for everything and so on. but they know we americans will still do it, and they will always do it because ultimately, nato is an american racket. is the way america executive power in the world. i mean, the reason why i have an america is so dominant and the world is uh, through nato, so dominating uh your band comes in at the end of the way it does read it, but the montes point is absolutely right. i mean, americans are preparing for a long war and they think that this is going to bring russia to his needs. i mean, that's the calculations around shows. we're just going to believe them dry. and the longer it, it drags on economy will,

will eventually collapse on the sanctions. and they think they will be regime change. you know, they lower, they looked up regardless of the thing. but something like this will happen again. well, they don't really realize is that russia live essentially, and i say, okay, well, it made so incense that you great will be a member of nato, irrespective of everything else. i'm actually, i will. okay. we'll just steadily demolish ukraine. so what you'll get is just a nothing you just the, you know, a piece of a destroyed chair in transit, okay? you want to crate and they to take it. this is, this is the, you know, the, the, the junk that's left over of what we had said on our power goggle, a body gas, a run state where it is just made of, of a flat plane. moat, no agriculture, no resources, just re, i'm empty, real estate that it with low bound martin, it's very interesting because if we look at it, we degrade russia, you know

a break is a con. i with her to solve for how many i mean, it's usually if this thing is over the last, the 16 months or so, i'm being a resident of this country for a quarter of a century. all the stereotype barrel will break. the economy is breaking up. the rest of the equipment doesn't work, it's all from world war 2 and except, but none of them, it proven that i mean, even this progression affair, which was a clown show, i'm actually shows the reverse of that. there is no institutional support or popular support for some kind of um, uh, illegal governmental, the constitutional change i actually the west interpreted the complete opposite with as well as in face of reality. martin, the beauty of the west i made so much salutes is also slowly erosion. you know, there is a lot more chaff now being thrown up on social media from all sorts of people who

are making these of these comments that they were talking about a tool previously. but there's a little fake news. there's also a lot, a lot of fake news. i mean, so much of what i'm saying. yeah. check out a video to judge. imagine what they're doing, the russian tennis now. okay. george, as a avid tennis ball, or it was amazing to what lengths you know do how to, to, in the race russians from a tennis, you know, the players have to take of the appear at the test. okay. so american tennis players didn't have to take a purity test with me in the u. s. u, and maybe the iraqi and legally, but russians literally the different like keep going. i mean, like on the culturally argue with people in england, america sunset and i saw i explained to them, you will understand the probably 70 if not 80 percent. so everything that we read in british newspapers is basically from the propaganda unit, which americans cribs in care of. and if you don't believe me, just go down the articles and you go to the go 100 was down 100. if it was generalize that you're going to hit those to key words. so lensky says,

and when you read zalinski says it's, you know, it's, you know, i'm, and i think has been so much of these thickness stories recently that we, it's really difficult to put this on a circular picture. you know, i, i think the, i think the europeans are basically going inside of this. they're getting tired and they're begins realize that there's a landscape public in the unit is somewhat backfiring on occasion. because now the real world i think is about and they just couldn't ability, how much could have been so you can do when you keep on changing the rules, you keep on a shifting your on moral grounds. you know, i know, you know, we, we had a lot of stories about the, the, the pounds and they keep up on this up or as you, she, i'm sure pronounced that not correctly. you know, um the worry was the, there was gonna be a darcy bomb. the soleski even said it even pre claims the press all of his journal this, you know, in the west, unless thing to you, i'm total 0 pants cooled him up. some of you can do this good enough to look up this crap, you know, because the i a is even there and they haven't seen any explosives on the building

. and so which will claim in the residence of good data. so there is a certain lack of credibility and i think these fake news stories of back farming on the west in general. but how i'm just letting you know that it's the same time with so much control or social media. and then you start protests that you'll just be disappeared. oh, you know there's no opposition, george. and just with, with, with the time we have remaining emmanuel and the chrome, one of your favorite depaula. george. and i love following his career because he gives us so much material as a big now of the ukrainian membership in make a big supporter. okay. so, i mean, it has been explained to me, is that, well, the friends see that, you know, the visa agency of the eastern part of the, you know, of the nature of blocks, the polls, the, the, the bulk of the baltic states. so it's kind of sad in this day and age the parents have to worry about, you know, competing with the baltic states, but i guess they are. and then another person in the know, told me said, well, the crown seems nothing else is work. so why did not change his position?

wow, that is these know to go george. no, they don't. so definitely i know they go with my crowd is or is you know what he says on mondays, wednesdays and fridays have no bearing. and what he says on tuesdays thursdays and saturdays and there's no reason to think anything that my problem they uh says sir, is there is a person who said. 5 that nato is brain that he's also said that he's ready to talk at any time to vote in, but for some reason he doesn't do so. um and i think a day that he used to use the express skepticism about your brain in nato. now he's in favor of your brain and they, the, he is an entirely driven by his own political calculations. i think by his ego, i mean it's like the every french lead defenses himself as on the colon and he's no, no exception. i thought i the, the issue about competing with poland. i think that's more salient as far as

germany is concerned, because a poem is explicitly saying that we are the leaders of your because we have this way in ukraine. we have us way, in the old days, we have a sway in the countries in the east than europe. you know, we have, you know, they officially grad countries and so on. and, you know, we're now much more important than germany, which is always hesitating and squabbling between sergeant schultz and i'm really in a basketball. so as well. and you know, it is marching as a kind of would be lead out of the eastern europe and the germans who should really put an end to this nonsense. are they able to do so? because the sergeant schultz is this the week eric of the years and ali and above our cars, our own scientists is not sure exactly what she wants, but she's a extraordinarily ambitious person. so germany is unable to provide any kind of lead where it will go to a massive, i mean, it, all right,

so they get it. you know, i'm going to go that made a difference. but i don't think anybody in washington is complaining too much. george. no, absolutely not. absolutely, that's why i mean it's, it's very interesting. it again, we, you know, you're talking about media media generates these narratives. you know, nato is a completely unified. it is, you know, it's the ukraine because of the grain. the issue is it's more unified than ever before, but if you just go to the 4th or 5th paragraph more and more disagreements going on, you know, down gary and saying they don't want it. they find anymore harm shipments here. we have this differences of opinion over cluster bombs, and we have a very rig. they hit regular on even leadership of i q in europe. all of it's really low. it's about the i q of the room temperature this, this doesn't bode well for, you know, we're blong moore, martin. yeah. and uh, you know, when we, we have is missing, things don't choose to and don't. yes. you know, i think to this will be a, comes time for all of this fake news and below how media reports on these issues.

just a few weeks ago, western media is saying that a lot of eastern europe and countries had their meeting, and they want to send troops to create most of the boots on the ground. i think a little cooler bluff on as soon as i think america will bank is based on the table as they get real. we're running the show, i'm just going to be and i say you never hear anything more of the story again because it was basically a bluff. we've had a lot of blow ups recently. you know, nothing was the limits. how many bluffs you can, you can cut off, you know, when you want to, if you want to keep credibility but hasn't been feeling us meeting will be a tony blair. but this crazy stupid actual decision of in reaching this council for the ukraine of no other than sports. i mean it's ridiculous. just ridiculous. oh no, no, no, no, no i, i know what it is they, they get in the base service. so it will be a little bit better. they'll take care of that there, but their electronic badge will be a different color. so they'll have their name on the door in boston who knows,

you know, you know, maybe soon. so it's a teeth clean what it is. okay. i mean they'll be able to, they'll have their own mini bar in their office. i mean, this is a huge upgrade. george, not as of and they get to stay in much nicer hotels when you show her video bigger . exactly. exactly. and, and they really do, you know, when you look at the last, i've sold them, but again, i'm the, the characters of the naser. they do live high on the hall. gavin's model is talking about they complain about electrolyte on the 3 of us do not live high in the hog and we'd have no more time spoken. i want to say, mike, i guess americans and in budapest, one i think our viewers are watching us here at our d. c. next time. remember across levels the,

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