the we, most of them is one to live together with the world, but they are doing this things and we can't keep our silence. we can separate buys our lives with this because if there is, is loved, then there are almost limbs we, dom on the wall. it's community you take notice of such incidents of banning the koran on private occasions of muslim sentiments. silence is unacceptable. this is important for world peace. non muslims declared the burning of the corona's free speech give a muslim will do the same as by burning their holy book. they will be declared to terrace. all muslim countries must be united, and the joint action is needed. we will fight together well when stuck home a lot of the crown burning to happen. it provoked a wide spread response across the atlantic world, sweden's investors in a rock and so to maybe are facing possible expulsion morocco recalled. it's diplomat from sweden underground has refused to send a new invoice to the scandinavian mission. humans food team,

they've been fund or imports coming from suite into something geopolitical level is the use of marie believes could not be repeated by other islamic states. the eco c or somebody government, they're basically drawing a line, a line in san to be the basically want to model the way for other islamic nations to follow. and that maureen, that they're costing understand is basically saying that any nation and western nation that that's what creates the religion of islam that installs the religious belief all over 1800000000. most of those worldwide. that's a country that at the very least we should cut all economic ties with. and that's the message that was delivered. and the decree that was announced today by the minister of trade, however, no, it's more needs to be done according to the federal government. and what they're calling for is for all some nations to join forces together and take a stronger stand, not just against the suite this we just government by all western nations that are

engaged in this anti religious movement against most of them. this is just the way here prophecy, double standard in the west. they're saying that it's freedom of speech to offend and desecrate the religion of 1800000000 muslims worldwide. while at the same time, if you know if somebody wants to burn the pride rainbow l, g b, t flag in sweden, they would consider that to be a hate crime. in fact, in some western nation, that's even that, that is considered a crime. and you could be arrested a good trip beyond the ukraine conflict headlines next with option and the length of slice of going underground action. that's right ahead here in our t international stick with the

time after time. so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from do buying the you a tomorrow may mark the anniversary of the creation of nazi aligned vc fronts. but it also is when leaders of the washington axis fighting russia through ukraine, gathering the few ania to discuss the battle plans not only against moscow, but may jing as well. so how far will washington go is europe's economies decline and taxes, and rising and the shadows of nuclear war doc and in length, and the retired lieutenant general of russia's armed forces. chairman of the executive council of the russian incentive a policy studies you have given a bush in ski, joins me now from moscow. thank you so much and in general for coming on. so billions of dollars being bought in dues and then skis coffers. uh, what do you expect from this summit in vilnius tomorrow as well. uh, actually, uh, i did not accept much. uh frankly, uh because uh well,

i understand basically patients of uh is their landscape personally and ukraine in your claim and you can leave the ship with that. uh something something real capital business as regards uh, the invitation of your train to the lions. uh, but i don't think that's feasible. first of all, because uh while the, except uh some uh, fees and by russian stays like a voltage stays full and uh, we would like to see uh you create an inmate that tomorrow be respectful, the consequences. uh well, there are a lot of, uh, there are many european countries which oppose this, at least until the crisis is over. more or even the, by the administration though use against the has the innovation of ukraine and

tomorrow. or i would say that, but if i'm sure that the informal contacts between russian government, the us government, i think that the russian side will uh, federal really believe or if not, we will deliver it very clear saying now that if your claim is in by they have been war uh will not be over because that was one of the main goals of the uh, rush and special operations to prevent your trade in membership inmate airlines. of course they could try that for and say look, right, you're made a mistake. that's why they do is going to allow them in the boss of the ca bill buttons warmer. i'm best of that to moscow. he made the secret trip, apparently. to caesar lensky. you think? bill burns might have been explaining, does it lensky way? obviously, ukraine gone? joining nato, because that would mean logical 5 would require

a britain and who knows who else to attack russia. so i asked for uh, the visit the bill burns. uh the key and recently i've seen that uh yes. and as the i, i agree that the one of the, one of the points on the gym, that was the ukranian ukranian aspirations. as for uh, joining the alliance. i am sure that, uh, there is uh, explain the, uh, current us position and prospect. so ukraine in a mentor, a more i, i suspect that even in the united states, you respect people, these claims that we will support deeply or your brand as long as i mean, they understand that the, uh, the, the uh picture on the bed battlefield is not in favor of you. oh uh the

is a very, very uh why is it as the size the actions as counter offensive or offensive? i don't understand why count that are going to be. gold crowns are offensive because russia does not. there's no effect. you uh, was not being offensive a due date for their opinions to a launch counter. think it's a rush or that has the counter offensive in effect, since the $24.00 team gu, that's right. them more over. i think that the calendar offensive will be launched by russian federation. i don't know where i'm at in a week and then months maybe in a couple of months. but uh for sure. uh, the this uh, this, uh, uh, the stage of conflict will uh, initially the rest encounter offensive and, but i am sure it will be successful. so i think that the americans understand that sooner or later they've got to sit down the table and find some solution,

them diplomatic. a peaceful solution to the complex. and yeah, of course i who is there and explained to as the landscape that she is black is kind of fab busy. it's kind of, we full thinking of these boundaries of 1991, cried the bank ever send back preparations, contributions. so there wants to play a winner. it will never happen. do you know? bill burns? yes, i know bill there is a i got acquainted with him when he was invested. there us invested in law school them during my now. so there is, uh, this is the washington i had to meet in smithville veterans where he was buried to handle the stay in the park. yeah. do you think?

yeah, he's a sensible sort of person because what do you think of the fact that uh, in britain there, uh, politicians talking about the need to go to wall out war with russia rather than presumably using ukraine is a proxy. and the fact that other states in europe, but talking about the need to start, i don't know, blowing up parts of russia as well. uh you see, i don't understand the purpose of well, uh, the whole of course uh the uh and by, uh, russian. uh uh, so for the position of upgrade version it is not the, the is not the secret is being uh like this for, for the kids for the 1st centers. uh so we have no illusions about the the position um do you think bill buns understands? uh well, bill barnes. uh bill barrons uh is uh a different story. the mail that i bought the bill barely uh,

yuki. i just wondered whether you thought, since you knew bill bins, current head of the ca, whether he would recognize that some of the voices in your a but not practical. yes, of course. of course i ensure above that i am sure that he recognizes that position of some countries is extreme as a model. where are the there is now a lot of talk about, especially in the u. k. the don't be afraid of russia don't be afraid of nuclear weapons as also, as most of the insurances know. so frightening, we can, uh, just, uh, 5 the limited the limited nuclear war uh, in the ukraine order in there. i said, you see and so are asking us and so well uh, i don't know. no, i can't understand why a reasonable people m a believe that the boat in and you gave me and

u. k. government in the governments of other european concept, even the baltics and they are a very reasonable enough not to talk about new play reference. because it's a, it's episode they are responsible. especially especially especially there for re. i'll get on to nuclear weapons in a 2nd, but of course media restricts is restricted in britain very uh, very strictly. you can't talk about nazis in ukraine. you can talk about zalinski stepping elections next year. so it's not a democracy. but in the media landscape, can you understand that confusion because they all they talk about is the precaution much to moscow. i mean what, what exactly happened because pre collision seems to be strengthened showing who is strengthened. puche it is strengthened and the media don't know in nato countries

have to describe what actually happened. even they are not really saying anymore, oh push it is about to full. what, what's your understanding of what happened on june 24th? well, uh is it is all about money. it's all about money. it would be because uh regarding uh was uh is, is a businessman. uh yes with uh, some uh, terminal affairs but he has a business name. he uh, is the owner of the huge, uh, k, their own company. uh, to morrow where he is. uh, he used to be, oh, i don't know the state of the, the status now, but there was the owner of a private news. your company, wagner mc, it came from this state from the minister of defense president put in uh, worst out uh, recently the few guys in nearly as or live on the uh,

catering contract with the minister of defense the last few years here are $1000000000.00 us dollars in years, currency plus i see and love see about this. they be to use people in the company more than 1000000000 years dollars as the salaries insurance. uh, all kinds of compensations. uh. so g, she was doing quite good, quite a lot of money, but uh when uh to use uh, i would say uh, quarter oh, misunderstandings with the newest uh, showing more and uh, cheaper jazz that you guys have more stuff in it though. finish that uh for uh for this year, the minister of defense uh, refuse to prolong their income for the 1st 2nd uh the middle. so defense

decided that, oh uh well, i'm years old, private companies and a wise man is not the only private manager company which is acting in the, in the ukraine. all of these companies. uh, sure, uh, signing a contract with the minister of defense. and uh, actually uh uh for themselves on the direct command or not of the company, but the direct amount of the minister of defense to pardon was the only leader on the ball. and there on the private company who refused. after the show said, in this case, you are out of the best of you. you may have whenever you want to in africa in asia, where you study the brand and ukraine,

only complex units subordinate the general stuff. so the last throw defense will continue a special operation after that. of course, uh gordon. when furious and uh, actually uh, be these uh, riskless them absolutely senseless. next, well we're talking about the wagner group, but is the fact that rushes ministry defense allows privatize ation. in the 4th is a problem with some sort of legacy of the neo liberal ninety's. do you think that has to be a re thinking the russian ministry of defense of using private contract is i know you've said that in the nato may suffer because of using private contract is just the manufacturer of a munition to replace that destroyed by the russian army, i only see i have nothing against the private company as i remember the it was uh, in uh,

2010 on the side of the mind. when the conversations in the ministry of defense started about the private company is which used to be in the west, especially the us companies in iraq. uh like uh, uh, black water and the others above it was agreed that the tire company is i need the, the, the road where, uh, official, uh, official, uh, and russian uh, military, uh, uh, involvement is not, is not advisable. uh, for the political reasons. so then uh what my or of course uh, organize the 1st it was in uh, 2011. i don't remember. exactly. and the, uh, the area of uh, responsibility if i may put it like this was uh,

made the effort to advisors. train theres uh, instructors, uh so we very uh move those support. i mean uh from the viewpoint of materials from the minister of defense. but uh the political uh, galleries was provided the kind of general vision scale stop. you have more from the chairman of the executive council of the russian center for policy studies after this break the, the, the,

the welcome back to going on the go. and i'm still here with you ever get any vision scheme or to defend the general of the russian um forces in chapman and the executive council of the russian incentive of policy studies. so we were talking about the wagner and privatization of cause some in rush. you're talking about class elements in the current conflict. i mean, why is it anecdotally, people talk about the rich russians being able to escape the draft and the poor ones having to go to the front, was that always their bread? since the russian federation was created to after the full of the soviet union was as a new thing as well. uh sir. so uh, i didn't know to agree that uh, reach uh, the part and uh on that of course uh there is,

uh, some uh, social inequality in the pressure like in, uh oh uh, free, uh, market country is maybe in the rest of the, the gap as to why that's true about uh, people uh who are now find the trade. especially volunteers, especially people store very assigned contracts with the mirrors, thrown defense. now if you guys, each of the $1400.00 people uh, signing a contract with the minister of defense and uh, going through your trade. uh, since the 1st of january deal uh yes to the 1081 comes with 85000 people all the way the same contracts with the minister of defense. so if that's uh, the, the, the, the very, uh, both figure for uh, for me and reserves for the future down there offensive, by the way. uh so, uh,

i know a lot of people from the, well, uh, a month to reach. uh, but uh, from uh, the family lives with, uh, very samsung income. cool. uh, voluntary uh, when through your brain and uh, finding uh for, for, for the goals of the i guess manager will have to wait for the statistic. so on that one question that as often would be nice and of course the nature of countries of last was in recent, he is in iraq, afghanistan, and maybe a syria, but they usually start off by a really bombarding cities. why is rush, you're not used to force to bomb. you grant this, this, this uh, very uh, good question. reach i was asked by my american grant. this is the european mcqueen. especially america. why didn't you uh,

bomb, uh, ukraine. uh, as soon as you get all the uh, s it theater. all right. did you get the all the meals? and by the way, the 1st 2 weeks when uh, a rush environment managed to destroy picking with uh, old meals for infrastructure. i mean uh, air base is a manual basis, although without a fleet but still be the uh, and buy a truck system. uh, but uh there was you see um i may agree or not, but then that's the position of the present because civilians are still being killed in don't yet every other day. right. right. and we also get body f, as in frank, i don't understand why we uh, the, uh, in fact, uh some, uh, some uh, elements are section elements, especially pages, especially, uh, right away a little bit. but it was, uh, it seems like i say, the,

the civilian objects of infrastructure and best position of the president, but not the effect of the simulation. so structured, only paid a lot of people did not understand this, but that's the position of the russian president and the russian guy. maybe it's because when they to does it and has done it in iraq, afghanistan, and they'd be in syria, they ended up losing the was. who knows? so is the plan to just wait for all this west and weaponry to queue up and certainly destroy a retain, give re hymer every of whatever a multi $1000000.00 piece of equipment being given away does it ends, e comes up and just destroyed all one by one be fact, beach was a sped expected, especially by the landscape by ukraine bed. west stomach. we've been, we will be the magic major to speak some for those very in your brain,

turned out to be uh, my list speaking not true. well, uh, actually since the 4th of june a bought into the official information of the minister of defense ukraine, a loss uh more than to 20000. uh, people uh, best the male and above $1000.00 pieces of armor including banks, a cds. uh and also uh other uh, army vehicles. uh so we, uh, i do not expect that. uh yes, americans decided it does look like, uh, some uh, sir, the uh, visa. so bradley, but the cnbc goes 20 sir the uh well, uh, parcher go or. yep. what's your goal uh, from your store? uh, supply for uh, leopard uh, bags. for 620. it doesn't matter. it's not the number uh, which is uh, so bought uh for the finding in the, in the, in the, in,

in your trade. i am sure that 1st of all, uh sooner laser, i presume it is still there. your opinion is really shut down for i'd say better. so now the good and, and, and the equipment reach why some countries are supplying equipment. the munitions, not, not, not the mass for, for a saw something decisive on the part of the tree. well, western european populations seem to have both the governments, the policy to fight to fight on. do you think this is because russia is losing the propaganda? what was the perception war? obviously, in nature was before they had journalists, who would um, i'll give a lie for them of whether it be iraq, syria, again has done olivia, it doesn't look good. does it to see drones attacking the kremlin, the coach bridge being destroyed? the north stream to be destroyed,

assassinations of john lives in moscow and saint petersburg. how, how is russia gonna convince western europe that they're being lied to? well, you see, of course, say your, you know, it better than me as a journalist, as a media man. that all the west, the media, all the major use papers to the stations of the programs, the radio programs being built that they are or is the russian they are uh every been it every hour they are broadcasting. oh, well i will say dogs are big chairs. i was going on in your train pulling fantasy in fantasy. it's illegal not to be up against rusher arguably and say, britain. i mean, i, i've got to ask you, i mean,

we now know that there 50 british troops soldiers in ukraine from jack tex areas, pentagon bates, ken russia, responds to what the british lose deployment of british soldiers. presumably they had to train people to see uh, what do you see uh, the previous soldiers officially, the adjust medicine there was and then of course, you know, there by the british and so yeah, so special forces, according to the leaks from the pentagon, the jack tech sierra revealed in is going to jail for revealing. well uh you see that's not very that bestbuy. that is my opinion. it's not a sufficient reason to start war with yuki. uh, but we, uh, let's say we have to rebuild those people uh, in your brain. and it's not, it may be, maybe it's not a very a right not the,

not the probably likely and be slow is the effects that the how many so many british uh, people are already killed that they've been prison. i think it's, uh, there are a lot of, uh, police that go under the name of the law these in all these actions. but though we know that there are casualties in mind that the british ship the citizens in mind, the us citizens, the other europeans. but the, the, the figures in the figures and not made public by the national minister fence. well, there's been another tool of nuclear weapons. people can watch our camera gone, of interview on a rumble. but and of course made video is talking about days being quite probable they'll be nuclear will eat on musk, perhaps the richest man in the world. he's helped uh,

john list cuz he was freed up to it to, to be on sensitive. but if it will, the us and western european weaponry is organ and it just be destroyed in the next few months. you said that even most styling system has been given to useful for us . and lensky is a new nazi link troops in ukraine. yes, i understand that the star link is being used in uh for me on through purposes. uh, that's an open secret. but the problem is started being that the, the, uh, destroy every single uh, uh, transmitting station its, uh why the best and uh, you said to use, uh, maybe, uh, drones, uh, maybe use, but uh, it's not, uh, really don't solution. the solution will be the would be destruction of the space component, the styrene, but that would entail the, the, the best would be the very highest space or installation in the

confrontation with united states. other than being guy saying that uh, russian president is not ready for um their uh confirmation that they have better space. it wants the general general questions. okay. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode. but until then you can keep it judged by the social media. it's not sensitive in your country and had to have channel going on. the guaranteed po number, they'll come to watch, new and old episodes of going underground sees that the the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. the only personally,

i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful. that i think it was time time to sit down and talk the, the russian embassy in washington sees the us will be committing more crimes by sending widely, bombing cluster bombs to key of the decisions not sitting well with americans. nato allies either the same thing and so demonstrators that opposition politicians make their feelings clear over japan's plan to release into the sea. treated contaminated water from the focus, shame that nuclear power plant. if mr. grocery is a sure that the focus she made contaminated water safe enough. i would like to.