it's really not the ruling policy or the ruling governments because lots of arrest happens in relation to this. ty, it off the thing up there to match the prices cunningly those because of i'm susan of rain, rain form and honest. there's another drought default that the production areas we have there is a large strong fault for that to match with production. these got the effected in reston popped up and yeah, as well as in southern fall something down because up on so it's another rains as well. as on since in a drought before that and as a result of the heart of his gun discharge. so if we have to blame on, if we really have to take the polite value, this of course mother nature and no one else that's such lots i understand is like this is uh, tempo directory is cyclical phenomenon. it is not going to last for too long in my understanding. we've been on of the couple of days time, probably on the but 15 days of 22. it's time things with an ottoman lives here in

india. i because the other areas eastern in the southern india and centrally via red data east. a lot of the matter production, you know, like the hardware is going to come soon. so in that scenario will be present, the crisis will be tied over. dr. silver will come out, do so. well, that's a trip to the cross talks to do is next, where a teacher and guest are talking, cluster bombs for ukraine on the particular uh, washington's justification of we're sending them. but we hope you don't use them as lead to this unity between the 2. i likes about soul by that the, [000:00:00;00]

the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered on people though. it goes without saying nature was a very aggressive military alliance. but who would have thought that at the core of its belief system was believing in unicorns the bible administration's decision to set a cluster bombs to ukraine, demonstrates this the, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j in their cash. he's an award winning journalist and commentator in budapest, we cross the george samuel, he's a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen across the rules of effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest. well wherever we're going up of the

escalation ladder again, a, something that the by the administration said would be a potential war crime sending cluster obviously ukraine. um, um is now. um, um regular policy here we have a dot, a pending unofficial se remarkably russian victory, worse than civilian cluster, bombed us. that's the us panic a. so george become mono is open for everyone to see. and it's pretty ugly. george, it's survey is right. yeah, i think it's a big way you city right is saying that the united states, the glad early on that the alleged russia was using, plus the bombs. and that this was undoubtedly a war crime. so now bind says this was a very difficult decision to take, but nonetheless we do. okay. then the end, of course, this is all this is being divided into ministration. mine shotwell long. no, absolutely. now we're not going to do this. no, no,

we're not going down this bob. i'm on. yeah. all right. you, when once you see you, you bring it up, let's do it. so now we've had these wounds of off and really from the beginning we've been told really going all the way back to trump in the, the javelin. the javelins was, supposedly you're going to be the, the game changer for ukraine. and then with that, all that, how it says on the high mas, uh, we have the bradley fighting vehicles. we've had the, the, the, the, the tanks, the left foot tanks and the then we had a few, a few weeks ago the, the hollow blue over the f sixteens. so now is the cluster munitions. and of course these will fail inevitably. 5 then you have to wonder, well, what's the next step? because it doesn't look like the wants to give up. so it has to keep moving along the escalation labs, but it has basically still no hope of winning unless it gets it directly involved

this out brand. i still don't bucks, that nato is the party to the conflict on the f. what doesn't want to get involved directly, and so that child to see what else they can do other than go on on this destructive bar. i know mine is it's, it's very interesting is that, you know, they, they, they, they use the russians going up the escalation louder, but it's only the russians react to it and that, that is problematic in itself. and we have discussed this, this program, but i thought it's really remarkable that you know, the, the, you know, most of the world outlaw outlaws, these munitions, actually a number of them, a members of nato do as well. but for a country like ukraine wanting to this to deploy them on their own territory. i mean, again, you're good and it's, it is, you have to scratch your head and seeing what you get out of it. you're going to destroy your agriculture, make land unusable on, say, for maybe decades. if longer, i mean, this is desperation, this is panic because we've talked about before, martin,

you're taking the word out of my mouth distribution. yeah. absolute desperation. and how can you, how can you look at this strategy without seeing it within, within the context of losing sight of losing strategy? because, i mean, it must be very confusing for lensky and it's about a new thing. i'm in care of looking at this thinking. okay, well, you know, joe button has a moment to listen to cheat. you know, he, i see there was just a moment of silence. he was just punched. it was a few seconds. we actually said 2 magenta's, i think what we're running low on m a and that was the key point. we're running low on, on what we've known this for a long time. we predicted it on the show, months ago that you're going to reach this tipping point where you can't really carry on functioning. but i'm sure it's honestly, i'm really sure that they would go this lower because i know a bit about plus to bumps in a few of the was i've come up there been just about the last one in 2006. when these ready, i'm an 11, i'm where i was coming out for you and there is like

a recall just the bombs test of homes of you'll choose to what i'll click there really. okay. there's nothing lost yet. nothing more malicious. nothing really more gut wrench and then the officer affects. so trustable is why, because the people who get killed by plus to bombs are basically children. what happens with customs is about 20 percent and don't exclude the other problems around this old, almost around the ground was to explode. a couple of the ones that don't explode with soil to. so that means the slow, so they stay in the ground for decades. you look at loss, you know, 270000000 comfortable in the americans drops, allows and still today children are being killed by these trust a problem. so what is the strategy behind this? i'm wondering, i just want to how much of this is coming from your training and coming from kids have all the factoring in the us? i think, i think, uh, i think what we're looking at is these are not going to be use offensive with an offensive strategy. i think that can be used in

a defensive way. when they assume russians were fine, we break the lines and come over and possibly what happens you dropping to the cluster bombs. you create just absolutely. doug jensen, i'm civilian deaths by cluster bombs and in this confusion. so they can have american propaganda machine. well actually projects, i'm fake it and show this to be a russian atrocity level. the rest of the done, you know, we, we, we would just poor defenses. we have to use our customs against the powerful tanks and that powerful on me. and now the images that we've got now. yeah, it's interesting, i'm against the, we've got a lot of images of russian and you kind of in troops coming and show the horrible terrific images we don't have much of is dead children disagreements that's going to change. the cost of bummed decision will create a new media agenda and you're going to see lots of free hand up video, little western media and understand that the subject is going to be debt civilians

. and the children is going to be on this side of the board and on the, on the crime, separate agency, american cluster, the american made cluster bombs the day. the george. yeah. your, the, the, the, you know, you know, looking at this and a vendor bigger perspective. so in a, in a couple of days, there will be the villainous nato summit. so we're not going to give you membership, but we're going to give you a cluster bombs where you can pollute your own territory. but what a deal, what do you say george? well, it's, it's a real ball again. so without that was, i mean, that's uh, the, that's going to be the message. but the interesting thing is, you, i mean, you mention about how the most nato member states actually signed onto the convention on plus the immunizations. i think something like 25 other study ones, so it's, it's almost all of them assigned on. so what are they doing about it at the moment? they're letting know to the face of a journal as well with very,

very unhappy about this. this is not a good thing, you know, we're losing a moral standard, you know, where the moral high ground receiving the higher around to the russians. but of course, the americans, the just the life in this lee when, when they hear is because it doesn't matter what america's nato populace say, america calls the shots and our french dolton. but said this, or we have different views on this on like it. some don't like it some uh, i think it's illegal some though it's up to each individual nature member space and that's it. that's. that's it. that's going to be the position. you know, we, you know, we can complain. but america coles, the shops. i think of them that's really going to be it. so by then sort of made clear when we're not going to get ukrainians and they so while the war is taking place. so why did you say that as well?

yes, the voltage stage bowl um, you know, bloss 30 you gotta get it, got to get it. and now now is now is the time to do it. but none of these are serious military forces. i mean, the only country in nature that is us there is much, was, is the united states, and obviously you, i, the stays knows, you grains in they. so then it means war was rush or you can actually, it doesn't want that. so that's it. you know, well, so therefore we're going to fall view off, cluster munitions, and you know, we will give you a, a, a nato ukraine council. it's a very grand type of major you, grand council. you're going to have that um, but no, no membership, uh for the time being. well martin, i mean, what was, why would the us, the board membership, i mean they have the best of all possible worlds right now, is they, they can, they can give you nations in armory and everything else to the ukrainians and still be able to quote unquote, stay out of the conflict while they're ukrainian brethren are dying and drugs, i mean,

and now their children will start dying here. i mean the people are watching inventory and e and jake sullivan. lincoln, they must think this is such a sweet heart d. a sweetheart. deal for them now. the radiance of course, the moment. yes, i think so. and it's a love seat. right. why was the american sign up to anything which would just take this conflict to complete, you know, level under level that most of us couldn't even imagine in our streams they want to contain it. but to them it's interesting. the storybook press conference a couple days ago reveal cut a loss and i admit i watched the stuff. i didn't watch it and i listen to them and i'm the some of the things that i was saying were quite profound. i think there's a money problem not only hold been a hardware problem, there's also a money problem. and the problem with these institutions like nature, i'd like to you easily have a default setting in my experience of coming to school is using the default setting is when things don't go well, we oscar more money. he doesn't want to time. you know,

when we say it and what we do, we don't think about it. it sounds crazy, but that's what they do. and that's what's happening right now with nature. stilton, but i think has been kept on for another year. not just because he was just the most sick of sunsets of a vile puppy, but, but you could never imagine any is, but it's all about money. um, nature needs more money. oh martin, who really wants the job at this point. okay. i mean, the way things are going this conflict will be bookend by stilton berg. it'll be binding stilton birds war and we'll, we'll be talking about it for a long time. but he's got his name all over it. i don't think there's a lot of people that say, i don't know if that's a good career move right now, cuz they're, they're defaulting too close to the you want to be, well, didn't want to be in that situation. i'm sorry, keep going. know, so back with the money thing. i mean, he still, somebody made a huge issue about um, now, uh, nate's, a budget was expanded by 8 percent this year, which he said was completely unpredictable. well, it will need to pay, you know, needs to be spent of a lot more,

not on the so happy the 11 members or company reaching the cheapest energy to be criteria. but it really is all about money. we're running out of stock. so running a village equipment generally, i mean if you look at the last week, i mentioned it shows abundance bank, especially banks will help in a central bank be bankrupt. how do you, how does the gems expect to fund? it will do to understand this when this kit is sent to is boss with taxpayers money from the central bank. so these are these countries and these companies are running out of cash. that means the war is, you know, i think still to me but realizes, but it's as much about money is about equipment and we need to push this, this idea of this program that we need more more money. and i think the take away from it is, but i'm going to contradict myself. i said a few weeks ago, i think that some of the west is looking at a short term strategy short term. or i think what's happening now with nature with member states and this meeting of this is available now shifting a goal post again. i think that should have been the subject, right. cause it's

a very important not hold up. i'm going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine, stay with our team, the, the,

the, the, the, the localize across the board. all things are considered on people of elk. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news,

the products go back to americas market. as usual, we go to a hard break and you're trying to make an important point. so basically, that was the other side of the ship. now we're having a shifting gopher start today, which nature indulges itself and it's on it many times. this one now is trust the bottoms. i'm very much a losing structure. you very much. let's put your train on the back foot. i look a defensive way of slowing down the russians. i know. so let's introduce a new scene, which i think you're gonna see a lot of in the future, which is nature also more and more money. why? because i think for the 1st time, the west of nature and i just haven't notice that they're looking at the wrong one . no, no, no, no long to think about 6 months. and they said now that finally starting to realize this could be a few years and we have to prepare for it. well, george, i mean ukraine is, is being clabbered right now. i mean,

how many years can they sustain something like this? we have to remember also infrastructure is being degraded and with a, obviously, with the loss of life. i always, it just got to strikes me gentlemen, before we move on is that you know, that, you know, for years and years and years, you know, and trump really got wound up about this, you know, you have to pay 2 percent of g d p to your defense, so here we are with an excess dental war, but you still case going use like point 5 more for it. i mean i've been 6 is dental . i mean, you know, i mean we've, we've seen all these world war to build, you know, they have, you know, it's always an arsenal, democracy, everybody's mobile lines and all that. but nobody wants to walk away from there. you know gap between those and lot to use, i guess. okay, just with the premium to do it, george. well that's the thing. i mean, nature is, it's a protection racket, but it's a protection rank it, but is run by the united states and people, the european member states. it's a freebie for them as it has been for decades,

which is the americans. but always though it out of the americans complain as a oh i you know, like trump in particular, but even all of the complaint. yeah. europeans on doing and up and not bullying that way. but why, what the europeans bull the way? because they know the americans will always step up, that would always pop up the money as trumpet. so of course they're going to say, no, we don't have the money, but you know, you were going to hold everything and so on. but they know we americans will still do it, and they will always do it because ultimately, nato is an american racket. is the way america executive power in the world. i mean, the reason why i have an american is so dominant in the world is uh, through nato. so we're dominating your a, b, and content isn't the way it does read it, but the montes point is absolutely right. i mean, americans are preparing for a long war and they think that this is going to bring russia to what's needed. some of that's the calculations around since we're just going to believe them dry. and

the longer it, it drags on economy will, will eventually collapse on the sanctions. and they think they will be regime change. you know, they lower, they looked up regardless of the thing. but something like this will happen again. well, they don't really realize is that russia live essentially, and i say, okay, well it made so is this, that you great will be a member of nato, irrespective of everything else. i'm actually, i will. okay. we'll just steadily demolish ukraine. so what you'll get is just a nothing you just the, you know, a piece of a destroyed chair in transit, okay? you want to crate and they to take it. this is, this is the, you know, the, the, the junk that's left over of what we've said on our, our gaggle, a broadcast around the state where it is just bit of a flat plane mode, no agriculture, no resources, just re, i'm empty, real estate that with low bout martin, it's very interesting because if we look at it, we can degrade russia, you know,

a break. it's a con i with her to solve for how many. i mean, it's really, if this thing is over the last to 16 months or so, i'm kinda being a resident of this country for a quarter of a century. all these do, i took bravo break. the economy is breaking up. the rest of the equipment doesn't work, it's all from world war 2 and except, but none of them it proven. now, i mean, even this progression affair, which was a clown show, i'm actually shows the reverse of that. there is no institutional support or popular support for some kind of a legal governmental, the constitutional change i actually the west interpreted the complete opposite that as well as in face of reality. martin, the beauty of the west i made so much salutes is also slowly erosion. and you know, there is a lot more chaff now being thrown up on social media from all sorts of people to

making these obvious comments that they were talking about so previously. but there's a little effect news. there's also a lot, a lot of fake news. i mean, so much of what we have at also check out our video to george. imagine what they're doing. different regression tennis now. ok. george's, a of a tennis ball, or it was amazing to up the legs, you know, do how to, to raise the russians from a tennis, you know, and this players have to take of a purity test. okay. so american tennis players didn't have to take a purity test when the end of the u. s. u. a. and maybe the iraqi and legally, but russians literally the different like keep going. i mean, like on culturally argue with people in india and america sunset and i saw, i explained to me, you don't understand the probably 70 if not 80 percent. so everything that we read in british newspapers is basically from the propaganda unit, which americans creates in care of. and if you don't believe me, just go down the articles and you'll go to the go 100 was down 100 if it was so nice that you're going to hit those to key words. so lensky says,

and when you read, zalinski says, you know, it's, you know, i think has been so much of these thickness stories recently. the way it's really difficult to put this on a secure picture. you know, i, i think the, i think the europeans basically going inside of this, they're getting tired of americans realize that there's a landscape public and the unit is somewhat backfiring on occasion. because now the real world i think, is about an age. this could have been, let's see how much credibility can do when you keep on changing the rules and keep on a shifting your own moral grounds. you know. and now, you know, we, we had a lot of stories about the, the, the pounds and do keep up on this operations. yeah, i'm sure pronounced that not correctly. you know, the worry was that it was gonna be a dusty volume. is alaska even set it even pre frames? the press of is john list, you know, in the west. unless thing you're, i'm total 0 opinions cooled them up. some of you, if indeed is good enough to look at this crap, you know, because the i a is even the, and they haven't seen any explosives on the building. and so what your claim and

the russians have put that. so there is a certain lack of credibility, and i think these fake news stories of black foreign on the west in general. but how i'm assuming, you know, it's the same time with so much control of social media. and then you start protest that you'll just be disappeared. oh, you know there's no opposition. george getting with with, with the time we have remaining emmanuel and the chrome, one of your favorite depaula jars. and i love following his career because he gives us so much material as a big now of the ukrainian membership and make a big supporter. okay. so, i mean, it has been explained to me, is that, well, the friends see that, you know, the visa and in see of the eastern part of the, you know, of the nature of blocks, the polls, the, the, the bulk of the baltic states. so it's kind of sad in this day and age the prince has to worry about, you know, competing with developing states, but i guess they are. and then another person in the know, told me said, well, the crowd seems nothing else is work. so one thing that changes position wow,

that is these know to go george. no, they don't. so definitely i know they go with my crowd is or is you know what he says on mondays, wednesdays and fridays have no bearing. and what he says on tuesdays thursdays and saturdays, and there's no reason to think anything that micro on say sir, is there is the person who is the uh, that mesa was branded. he's also said that he's ready to talk at any time to vote in, but for some reason he doesn't do so. um and i think a day that he used to express skepticism about your branding nathan. now he's in favor of your brain and they, the, he is an entirely driven by his own political calculations. and i think by his ego, i mean it's like the every french lead defenses himself as on the colon and he's no no exception. i thought i the,

the issue about competing with poland. i think that's more salient as far as germany is concerned, because poland is explicitly saying that we are the leaders of your are because we have this way in ukraine. we have a sway in the old days, we have a sway in the countries in the east, in europe. you know, we have, you know, they officially grad countries and so on. and, you know, we're now much more important than germany, which is always hesitating and squabbling between sergeant schultz and i'm in the in of the above. so it's full and, you know, it is marching as a kind of would be lead out of the east in europe. and the germans, who should really put an end to this nonsense. alright, able to do so because the sergeant schultz is a weak eric of the years and alien above our cause. our own fantasies, not sure exactly what she wants, but she is an extraordinarily ambitious person. so common is unable to provide any kind of lead where it will could of matter. i mean it. all right, so they get it,

you know, i'm going to go to made a difference. and i don't think anybody in washington is complaining too much. george? no, absolutely. not absolutely, that's why i mean it's, it's very interesting. it again, we, you know, you're talking about media media generates these narratives. you know, nato is a completely unified and just, you know, it's been a new credit because of the grain. the issue is a, it's more unified than ever before. but if you just go to the 4th or 5th paragraph more and more disagreements going on, you down, gary, and saying they don't want it. they find anymore. arms shipments here. we have this differences of opinion over cluster bombs, and we have a very rig. they hit regular on even leadership of i q in europe. all of it's really low. it's about the i q of the room temperature this this doesn't bode well for, you know, with long more martin. yeah. and uh, you know, when we, we have this basic things don't choose to and don't. yes, you know, i think to this'll be comes time for

a lot of this fake news and below how media reports on these issues. just a few weeks ago, wisdom media was saying that a lot of the eastern european countries because they're meeting and they want to send troops to create most of the boots on the ground. i think a little cooler bluff on. let's do this. i think america it will bang it's based on the table as i get real, we're running the show. i'm just going to be and i say you never hear anything more of the story again because it was basically a bluff. we've had a lot blocks recently. you know, nothing is the limits how many blocks you can, you can pull off, you know, when you want to, if you want to keep credibility but doesn't, and building this meeting will be a tony blair. but this crazy stupid actual decision of in creating this account so. so the ukraine of no other than sports. i mean it's ridiculous. just ridiculous. i'm no, no, no, no i i know what it is they, they get in the base service. it will be a little bit better. they'll take care of the there, but they are like tronic badge will be a different color. so they'll have their name on the door in boston who knows,

you know, you know, it's all, it's a teeth clean what it is. okay. i mean, they'll be able to, they'll have their own mini bar in their office. i mean, this is a huge upgrade. george and that's of and they get to stay in much nicer hotels when you show her. maybe your exactly. exactly, and, and they really do, you know, when you look at the last, i've sold them the again, i'm the, the characters of the maids or they do live high on the hall gum is model is talking about they complain about a lack. the 3 of us do not live, i in the hog and we'd have no more time. and i'm going to say, mike, i guess america is. and in budapest when i think of you were still watching us here at our d. c. next,

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