thing to take a safe approach to this because they don't know when it's going to be like in 50, a 100 years time. fine, then let me ask you a question that it would be a problem of focus shima in region, isn't it? we're talking about what will be disturbs into the sea in the pacific ocean, which is the opposite of where, you know, korea is basing in the 1st place to that's are up for now. but coming up a retired, the russian lieutenant general discusses ukraine's nato bid precautions rebellion and why he thinks ukraine's battlefield stance looks dire next on going underground . thanks for watching the ghost without saying nature was a very aggressive military alliance. who would have thought that at the core of its belief system was believing in unicorns the bike administration's decision, just

a cluster bombs. ukraine demonstrates this, the, the time action, or it has a welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from do buying the you a tomorrow may mark the anniversary of the creation of nazi aligned me. she fronts . but it also is when leaders of the washington access fighting rush and through ukraine gathering. if you ania to discuss the battle plans not only against moscow with big gang as well. so how far will washington go? is your ups economies decline and taxes and rising in the shadows of nuclear war doc and in length and the retired lieutenant general of russia's armed forces?

chairman of the executive council as a russian incentive of policy studies. you have given a bush in ski joints, me now from moscow. thank you so much and in general for coming on. so billions of dollars being bought in dues and then skis coffers. uh, what do you expect from this summit in vilnius tomorrow as well. uh, actually uh, i do not accept much uh, frankly, uh, because uh, well, i understand basically patients are, uh, is their landscape personally and ukraine in you claim that are you currently in leadership with that uh something, something real capital business as regards uh, the invitation of your trained to uh to day and lions. uh, but i don't think that's feasible. first of all, because uh, while the exact, uh, some uh, fees and by russian stays like a voltage stays bull and,

uh, we would like to see uh ukraine in may, the tomorrow be respectful of the consequences. uh well, there are a lot of, uh, there are many, uh, european countries which oppose this, at least until the crisis is over more oh, or even the, by the ministration though, use the use the as the innovation of ukraine and tomorrow. or i would say that, but if i'm sure that the informal compacts between russian government, the us government, i think that the russian side will have all ready be leave or if not, we will deliver it. very clear saying now that if your claim is in by the, the war will not be over. because that's was one of the main goals of the restaurant. special operation to prevent your trade in membership m b, l ads,

of course. and they could try that for and say, look, roger made a mistake, that's why they do is going to allow them in the most of the ca, bill. bunch fomor, i'm best of that to moscow. he made the secret trip, apparently, to cesar lensky. you think a bill burns might have been explaining just lensky way. obviously ukraine gone joining nato because that would mean article 5 would require a written and who knows who else to attack russia, as well as, as far as the visit, the bill burns the key and recently i've seen that uh yes. and as the i, i agree that the one of the, one of the points on the gym, that was the ukranian ukranian aspirations. as for uh, joining the alliance. i'm sure that the veterans uh, explain the current to us position and prospect. so ukraine in a mentor,

a more i, i suspect that even in the united states, you respect people, these claims that we will support deeply or your brand as long as i mean, they understand that the, uh, the, the picture on the bed battlefield is not in favor of you. oh uh the is a very, very uh why of the size uh, actions as counter offensive or offensive. i don't understand why i found that are going to be gold counter offensive because russia does not. no. uh, impact. well uh, what is not offensive uh do they do for their opinions to a launch count there we think it's a rush or that has the counter offensive in effect, since the 24 team gu. that's right. then moreover, i think that the calendar offensive will be launched by russian federation. i don't

know where i'm at in a week and then months maybe in a couple of months. but uh for sure. uh, the this uh, this, uh, uh, the stage of conflict will uh, initially address in counter offensive and, but i am sure it will be successful. so i think that the americans understand that sooner or later they've got to sit down at the table and find some solution to them either to make a peaceful solution to the complex. and yeah, of course i fool, as burns explained to as the landscape that she is, uh, blan is kind of, uh, found busy. it's kind of wishful thinking of these boundaries of 1991, cried the bank ever send back preparations, contributions. so there wants to play a winner, it will never happen. you know, bill burns. yes, i know bill there is

a i got acquainted with him when he was invested. there us invested in law school them during my so there is uh, visitors through washington. i had to meet in smithville veterans where he was very the head of the stay in the park. yeah. do you think? yeah, he's a sensible sort of person because what do you think of the fact that uh, in britain there, uh, politicians talking about the need to go to wall out wall with russia rather than presumably using ukraine is a proxy. and the fact that other states in europe, but talking about the need to start, i don't know, blowing up parts of russia as well. uh you say i don't understand the purpose of well uh the man who of course, uh the uh and by uh, russian. uh uh,

so far the position of agree basement is not the the is the secret is being like base for, for the kids, for the 1st centers. so we have no illusions about the the position um do you think bill buns understands that? well, bill barnes, uh bill barrons uh is uh a different story available at the moment. i bought a bill bearings uh, yuki. i just wondered whether you thought, since you knew bill bins, current head of the ca. whether he would recognize that some of the voices in your a bundle of practical. yes, of course. of course i am sure about that. i am sure that he recognizes that the position of some countries is extreme as a model. where are the, there is now a lot of talk about, especially in the u. k. the don't be afraid of russia don't be afraid of nuclear

weapons is not so it's not so bad. jersey has no so frightening. we can uh, just, uh, 5 the limited the limited nuclear war uh, in the ukraine or in the russian. is it still or asking us and so well i, i, i don't know. no, i can't understand why a reasonable people m a. i believe that the boat in and you gave me and do you k government in the governments of other european concept, even the baltics and they are uh, they are reasonable enough not to talk about new play reference. because it's a is as soon as they are responsible, especially especially especially for re i'll get on to nuclear weapons in a 2nd. but of course media restricts is restricted in britain very uh, very strictly. you can't talk about nazis in ukraine. you can talk about zalinski

stepping elections next year, so it's not a democracy. but in the media landscape, can you understand that confusion because they're all they talk about is the pre, goshen, much the moscow. i mean what, what exactly happened because pre collision seems to be strengthened showing who is strengthened. puche it is strengthened and the media don't know in nato countries have to describe what actually happened. even they are not really saying anymore, oh push it is about to full what. what's your understanding of what happened on june 24th? well, uh is it is all about money. it's all about money. i repeat because a precaution was, uh, is, is a businessman. uh yes, with uh some uh terminal affairs but he is a business then. he uh is the owner of the uh,

huge gate their own company. uh to morrow where he is. uh he used to be, oh, i don't know the state though. uh the, the status now, but there was the owner of, uh, uh, traded notes or company. uh, wagner mc. it came from the states from the minister of defense president put in uh, worst out. recently, the figures in yearly, as on the, on the catering contract with the minister of defense. she had it last year here, or 1000000000 years dollars in years currency bloss here and love see, but uh the state be to use the people in the company more than $1000000000.00 of yours dollars as the salaries insurance. uh, all kinds of compensations. uh. so g, she was doing quite good, quite

a lot of money, but uh when uh to use uh, i would say uh, quarter oh, misunderstandings with us to show you more and uh, cheaper stuff you guys have more stuff in it though. finish that uh for uh for this year. the minister of defense. uh, if you was billed per long. okay. there in the contract 1st. second, uh, the middle, so defense decided that all uh, all of years old private companies and a water in there is not the only private uh, major company, which is uh, acting in the, in your crate. oh uh these companies uh, should uh sign a contract with the minister of defense and uh, actually uh, uh, pulled themselves on the direct amount of notes um,

the company by the direct amount of the minister of defense to, pardon was uh, the only leader on the ball and i wrote the private company will refuse. after that uh, show us that in this case uh you are out of the back of you. you may have whenever you want to in africa and asia where you study the deal with about the brand and ukraine, only complex units subordinate the general stuff. so the last throw defense will continue a special operation after that. of course, uh gordon. when furious and uh, actually uh, be these uh, riskless them absolutely. assessments. next. well, we're talking about the wagner group, but is the fact that rushes administrator defense allows privatize ation in the force is a problem with some sort of legacy of the neo liberal ninety's. do you think that

has to be a re thinking the russian ministry of defense of using private contract is i know you've said that in the nature may suffer because of using private contract is just in manufacture of a munition, to replace that destroyed by the russian army, i only see i have nothing against the private company as i remember the, the, it was uh, in uh, 2010. all the files are in the mind when the conversations in the ministry of defense started about the private, the company is which used to be in the west, especially us companies in iraq. uh, like, uh, blackboard there and the others about it was uh agreed to that. uh try the company is i need to pay the broad aware uh, official, uh, official, uh, a russian uh military uh, involvement is not,

is not advisable. uh, for the political reasons. so then uh what my or um was organized the 1st it was in uh, 2011 and i don't remember exactly. and the, uh, the area of uh, responsibility if i am able to like this was uh, made the effort to advisors training. there is uh, instructors, uh so we have very little support. i mean, uh from the view button don't material from the minister of defense, but uh the need to go uh, galleries was provided in a general vision scale stuff. you have more from the chairman of the executive council of the russian center for policy studies. after this break, the

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the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with you ever get any vision scheme which i had to attend the general of the russian forces and chairman of the executive council of the russian incentive of policy studies. so we were talking about the wagner and privatization of cause some in russia, a talking about class elements in the current conflict. i mean, why is it anecdotally, people talk about the rich russians being able to escape the draft and the poor ones having to go to the front was that always there? since the russian federation was created to after the full of the soviet union was a new thing as well. uh, sir. so uh, i didn't know to agree that uh reach uh the, the part and the on the, well uh, of course, uh there is, uh, some uh,

social inequality in the pressure like in, uh oh uh, free market campuses, maybe in the rest of the, the gap as to why that's true about uh, people who are outside the trade. especially volunteers, especially be possible very, a signed contracts with the minister of defense. now if you guys, each of the $1400.00 people uh, signing a contract with the minister of defense and uh, going through your trade. uh since the 1st of january deal. uh yes, to the 1081 terms with 85000 people all the way the same contracts with the minister of defense. so if that's uh the, the, the, the very, uh, booth you get it for uh, for me and reserves for the future down there offensive, by the way. uh so uh,

i know a lot of people from the, well, uh, a lot to reach uh, but uh, from uh the family lives with the area and some income. cool. uh, voluntary uh, went through your brain and i think uh for, for, for the goals of the i guess manager will have to wait for the statistics on that. one question. its a as often be nice and of course the nature of countries of last was in recent, he is in iraq, afghanistan, and they be syria, but they usually start off by a really bombarding cities. why is rush you're not used to for us to balmy's granddaughter? there's a very, very good question reach i was asked by my american grant. this is a european mcwilliam, especially in america. why didn't you?

uh well, uh you train uh since you get all the a s, if you're already in, you'll get the all the meals. and by the way, the 1st 2 weeks away in a rush environment managed to destroyed pettigrew with the old meals for the infrastructure. i mean uh, air base is a manual basis, although without a fleet but still be the uh and by head truck system. uh, but uh there was a, a c. um, i may agree or not, but then that's the position of the president because civilians are still being killed in don't yet every other day. right. and we also have it by the end, but frankly, i don't understand why we, uh, the, uh, the, uh, some, uh, some of them is reflection. the elements, especially pages especially right away a little bit. but it was, uh,

it seems like i say the use of the land of egypt. so when for a structure and that's position of the president but not the effect of the simulators so structured on the page. a lot of people do not understand this, but that's the position of the russian president and the russian guy. maybe it's because when nato does it and has done it in iraq, afghanistan, they'd be in syria, they ended up losing the was. who knows? so is the plan to just wait for all this west and weaponry to queue up and certainly destroy a retain, give re hymer every of whatever multi $1000000.00 piece of equipment being given away does it ends, e comes up and just destroyed all one by one as well, the facts which was especially expected, especially by the landscape by ukraine bed. what stomach, we've been will be the magic major speak to them for though a victory in your cream turned out to be uh,

my list speaking not true. well, uh, actually since the 4th of june, they bought it in to the official information of the minister of defense ukraine. last uh, more than to 20000. uh, people, uh, uh, best amount and uh about $1000.00 pieces of, uh, armor including bags, a cds. uh and the uh, other uh, arms vehicles. uh so we, uh, i do not expect that. uh yes, americans decided it does look like, uh, some uh sir, the uh, visa. so bradley but the cnbc goes, when did sir the, uh well, uh parts or go or yeah. bought, you know, uh from your store. uh, some light for uh, leopard. uh bang for 620. it doesn't matter. it's not the number. uh which is uh, is that so for uh, for the sliding in the, in the,

in the, in, in your trade. i am sure that 1st of all, uh, sooner or later i presume it is still there. uh, your opinions really shut down for uh, trained personnel. the and, and, and the equipment uh which uh by some countries are uh, supplying equipment. the munitions, um not, not, not the math for, for a saw something decisive on the part of the western european populations seem to support the government and their policy to fight, to fight on. do you think this is because russia is losing the propaganda or the perception war, obviously in nature will was before they had journalists, who would, um, i'll give a lie for them of whether it be iraq, syria, or afghanistan. olivia, it doesn't look good. does it to see drones attacking the kremlin, the coach bridge being destroyed, the north stream, to be destroyed?

assassinations of john lives in moscow and saint petersburg. how? how is russia gonna convince western europe that they're being lied to? where you see, of course, your, you know, it better than me as a journalist, as a media man. that all the ways, the media, all the major use papers to the stations of tv programs, the radio programs being put in that they are or is the russian they are uh every been it every hour they are broadcasting. oh, well i will say dogs are big chairs i was going on in your trade pulling fantasy in fantasy. it's illegal not to be up against rusher arguably and say, britain. i mean, i, i'm going to ask you, i mean,

we now know that there 50 british troops soldiers in ukraine from jack tex areas, pentagon beach ken rusher, responds to what the britain was deployment of british soldiers. presumably they had to train people to see uh, what do you see uh, the previous soldiers officially, the adjust medicine there was and they're not gonna see, you know, they're buying the british and so, yeah, so special forces, according to the leaks from the pentagon, the, the jacks, etc, revealed and is going to jail for revealing. well, you see that's not very that bestbuy, that is my opinion. it's not a sufficient reason to start with or with your feet. uh, by the way, uh, let's say we get rid of those people. uh you, you, graeme and it's not maybe, maybe it's not a very a right not the,

not the publicly. and this slow is the fact that the how many so many british uh, people go all the way the deal that they can prism. i think it's, uh, there are a lot of, uh, political, uh, i'm beginning the, you know, these in all these actions. but though we know that there are casualties among the bid to ship the citizens in my us citizens, the europeans. but the, the, the figures and the figures, and i've made public by the national minutes government, that's, well, there's been another tool of nuclear weapons. people can watch on camera, gun of interview on rumble. but and of course made video is talking about days being quite probable. that'd be nuclear will eat on musk. uh, perhaps the richest man in the world. he's helped

a journalist because he was freed up to it to, to be on sensitive. but if it will, to us and western european weaponry is all going to just be destroyed in the next few months. you said that even most styling system has been given to useful for us and then skis, a, a neo nazi link troops in ukraine. yes, i understand that the star link is being used in uh for me on through purposes. uh, that's an open secret. but the problem is studying that at the destroy every single uh, uh, trans moving station. its uh why the best and uh you said to use, uh uh, maybe the drones uh maybe use but uh, it's not really the solution. the solution will be the, will the destruction of the space component, the styrene. but that would entail the, the, the best wouldn't be the very highest stage of installation in the

confrontation with united states. other than being guy uh, seeing that uh, russian president is not ready for um their uh confirmation that in about a space it wants to go to the general general questions. okay. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode. but until then, you can keep it just by the social media if it's not sensitive in your country and had to have channel going on, the guaranteed po number, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground ccf the the, the

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