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the hello, i'm manila chan you are tuned into modus operandi. as the conflict in ukraine continues and the debate about supplying arms to the care for shame, rages on, we'll take a look at what sorts of weapons the collective west is contending with. while the us boast itself as the supreme military in the world and the main supplier of arms to ukraine, does its arsenal actually stack up? in terms of modern capabilities, we'll talk to a retired russian naval engineer who breaks down exactly what these modern missiles

can do. all right, let's get into the m o. the you may have heard the stories about the ghost of t f or the midst of snake island early on in the ukraine conflict. by now, you probably know they were fake news. there was never a ukrainian top gun fighter pilot who took down dozens of russian jets. the soldiers on snake island never cursed out the russian military before being blown up. in fact, they were actually captured safely and then arrested. the story of martyrdom never happened. the more recent stories, however, are ones that defy the laws of physics, their tails of text versus tech missile, keep it abilities in advance arsenals. since ukraine is not a manufacturer of these products, simply the end user. today's fairytales are that of russian military technology

versus those from the u. s. u k, france and germany. that would be perfectly honest. i am certainly no arms expert and much less have the science background to explain how these things work. so we will bring in a man who is an expert with the proper technological training in their development . andre martine off is a retired russian navy engineer. he's got advanced degrees in engineering such weapons nowadays. andre is a writer and analyst his latest book called losing military supremacy, the myopia of american strategic planning. and you can see more of his musings on his blog at smooth the x 12 dot blog spot dot com. andre, thank you so much for joining us today. so 1st i gotta ask you, for these people paying close attention to the news on the conflict and ukraine, we're hearing many different types of missiles are being used. can you give us

a brief, no pun intended, crash course on the differences between some of these missile systems such as, you know, cruise missiles, glide bombs, the ballistic missiles, and especially the new hypersonic missile systems. um lets start from the m tier left side of the type of sonics it because there is a lot of confusion about this situation. especially in the west. the height of sonic nice, all is the missile, which weiss or for the aircraft, which flies with dispute about mach 5. that means a 5 speeds of the sound. but here is the problem. and this has to be in the problem for many years now, since it's a russia and announced the deployment of the operational, high performing weapons. for example, bodies took nice out for intercontinental bodies. tiffany file is the messiah. which weiss? with many more speeds of sound. for example,

mock 27. and this by definition makes us supersonic. except for one thing, those messiah flight interpreting. you have somebody stiffness asked even if they fly by the suppressed trajectory, they still fly evolved. they have uh, north atmosphere. in this case, it's kind of moved to point if they help us so many speeds are found because they fly barcode there for jeff to reaction it in the open space. the space as when know approximate the size of the elevation of 100 kilometers from the appraisal. there are and but what more than a hypertonic nice house are. i've been nice as which why with them earth atmosphere is sitting the speed of song by flies and the more packs to russia is the only concert which causes access and the voice and actually use this thread. devastating effect on the full spectrum of the high performance nissans. for example, one of those measles is the control, the cell which is known as iron bodies,

stiffness, it is miss which flies in cost, right? but we still projectors that means the bark, or which slide pretty much as any body stiffness out. it also flies on the bob board, fly being powered by use engine, then the engine shots, off and on the side as you know, basic physics tells us, be useful. why? well as a ballistic missile, ballistic project that and not the matter there. so in advance that they can maneuver throughout all of which storage you have to re including especially to the products of the founder and they fly with the loss of just a few show. you can try velocities between ma, from 9 am them. now we're beginning to have their feedback that actually it's the on the fly within mach 13. they both are not interest at the bulk, but in charlotte despite the fact that it's still being maneuverable, definitely come back, all of which slide it on. but if empower

a call l y 3 m 20th through zillow on your cell, which most all of the more than the russian ship scary. this is a full blown cruise and you saw this a smoke bodies stick off of outside, but least the iron. nobody's thickness. i like control. we just launched from the aircraft. daphne, sorry, i like 3 m 20. com. it's uh, genuine impact shipping and the lender basketball is miss out because it flies all over its flight path on that is a ball work using strategy app which is going some good powers it. and while it keeps the thought of, it still operates on that it's own power, the velocity of the circle, and that usually is around some, a mock 9 to or some of them. and the new version of the older one which is coming up would probably be, are in excess of mach 13. and that's the type of quite per sonic weapons we are

talking about. and there are in the last, so just be facets of those hypersonic nice size is of course strategic. uh, type of funny uh, gliding blocks. hold on guard to measurement of this. i haven't gotten the file blocks driven by there. one is there a russian who used to be desperately dismiss our system, getting a regular body still. cox accounts like me or multiple independent 3 of the vehicles. now those steely up new style so that america carriers of their own garden blogs which have their speeds in access of march 27th. and they slide by basically gliding at over. there are a yours at most here. and there are also many wearable a 3 types of those in you fast, they are comfortable from that are and this are quite a funny can just as various of its glasses, cruise missiles, you can see one of them is which is of course america, from the 8, the gm, one,

all 9 lam, a tactical landed back in the south tomahawk russians kept the variety oh, those nice houses. they are sops on you live $3.14, which is pretty much caliber. while a russia is also the point hi supersonic, which is why the dispute of are kind of funny, can decides about still high supersonic speeds. and these are mazda 2 point twice a me files, such as p 800 on x. and this all goes these files and they vary in the range and in therapy it by religion and are in terms of the targets that so that, that for so i think so that's pretty much it was more so yeah, we've been going back to body sickness as a classic ballistic missile, so which one of the things that 1951st avenue solves which are on the power flight due to deliver those are what it's called the a boss. basically, it's the same,

so to speak, where you have the number of them years a multiple in the front of 3 and 3 basic costs which are thrown into space and them fly their accelerate, and then fly with scholastic body sickness. us without mind, you worry. and that's what, uh, used to be basically a domain say all that and you called at the torrance, both and sonya junior and the roster and the united states no updates. everything change in this respect. and now we have seen russia most recently, use glide bombs to devastating effect in the past few months. why are these weapons so affective and why can't, who crane or in fact, their western benefactors really develop a plan to respond to these types of bombs? well, um, federated ukraine have some type of there are different systems for example,

delayed or worse off of which they have 19 eighties. uh uh, for example of the s $300.00 and they have some poor m won or short range, or the process of they separately to, to south intercept at least some of those bombs. but the russia was pretty successful in suppressing a air defense schools. there. what that was left up with an armed forces of your brain, including those restaurant supplied weapons such as like, nonsense. they just down up in percent, those live in bombs. and now obviously they are much free or are in terms of operating and watching those blogging dams, bloss, most of them are beyond the range of what's left of their uh, premium air defense. so in this particular case, yeah, there, there's very little they can do. you know, they might get like you're shooting one or 2 maybe, but they will be able to sustain any kind old there are. you want me to getting off

or going to strikes against those bumps, they will walk. it's called in military science, lee car. the leak are being the project guy. when you saw which been afraid to the air defense, all russians have manual those leak or a snowball days, precisely because the ukraine air defense was part of the successfully, i would say 9090 percent of was suppressed. and i later or, you know, they can all of those operations. what was happening now recently ukrainian force has claimed to have taken down a russian kings all missile, which is part of russia's next gen h. s. m arsenal. they say they took it down with the us patriot air defense system 1st. can that be true? and is there any sort of anti missile system that can take down and it just um, at present or, or is there anything being developed to counter them? and if so, what sort of capabilities would those things need?

and then you create new implants, a company called office of western media, you immediately started to spread this absolutely all morning. no air defense complex copy and our send all of annual natal country including the united states, can take control out that us. we're not talking about the on the back one, the pay through the back $1.00, which is it was a joke. it was the small performance of the 1st gulf war, but a legacy or some of the paperwork back. 3 employees. name made me file, which is m i m one. oh $4.00 f i believe it's uh, speed is uh, $4.00. my 4.2. if i super sonya blackmore hyper funny me so which will not simply sustain the jewels which it needs to intercept you have on the if can solve why of mock. there is one thing stuck on you there as all to, to,

to this me solve that. so i'll just be apart from the range which is beyond the reach is 20 kilometers. kennesaw flies actually at the height of 30 kilometers. and then at that it's, well, it's 5. yep. vertically down. so united states doesn't have any technology. we just capable intercept something like in job or for that matter. slower and less of the mass is from there. the bodies took me file. so this of course was their cakes. and you start peach was before the graphs with the actually the concrete bought the boat, the thought young lady that is getting shot, it was debunked already by many military professionals and all the rest of the united states. i'm up, you've been talking about europe and is nowhere near to produce anything which can actually need to gauge the solve or the phone. it can be as files, it'd be there in shaw or 0 call left alone strategic hypersonic blocks such as

their and got this is completely out of the question. and in terms of air defense, united states, actually these back behind the rush or not in years is in generation. yeah. so the problems here is obviously the, primarily a media circus. yeah. and uh, obviously their agenda, they trying to push now there is nothing which can stop it unless there and decide itself. you know, it just breaks down and then that doesn't reach anywhere, but ukraine didn't, should, in your thing. in fact, is your brain cannot, should most of any find those new styles. old girls rifle launches there and here comes the other thing are, in order for you to intercept something like a hypertonic weapon. i actually presented some basic operational, impractical a calculations in my 2nd book. there are no other ocean in military affairs and

you have a very bizarre chance which is rather slow basically. uh it be uh no significant at all. or if you should probably have very many new files which creates some kind of the screen downstairs that you might somehow get. but no, you cannot shut that down, drop us for it. and there is another thing that how you want to develop the firing solution against the target to which most like you may not even see you towards flying in. there are couple blogs my got home and which is my new word and both. uh, well, actually every single russian me style is my new ring on its final terminal approach and some of them are new or violent. and so you, there is no way they can percent. and i suspected that was fake news that the patriot system couldn't take down the control. i'm glad you cleared that up for us

now. hypothetically, how would israel's iron don't fair up in that match up? for simple reason, i don't don't, is basically designed for an intercept in, in actually quite substantial wholesale quantity is all there all come off and has, well, with this corporate to shot records, those are slower bodies stick. uh, you know, uh tablets and they accelerate tools sometimes my one point to i believe, but most and most of them are even stopped sony. so and their idea because they are very easy to track and develop flattering social for something that's when you already can see clearly on your radar or any other means of detection and tracking . so yeah, in terms of the more than the warfare on the more of them battlefield, it gives them more than our strikes the fonts, especially if wine would defy supersonic speeds, it's absolutely useless, right,

coming up next unintended consequences. a multi decades old warning comes to fruition. joe biden ignores american advice from the past. we'll discuss it when we return with andre marty and i'll sit tight. the m o will be right back. the the goes without saying nature was a very aggressive military alliance. who would have thought that in the core of its belief system was believing in unicorns the bike administration's decision to set a cluster bombs. ukraine demonstrates this, the, the walking back to the m. o. i am manila chance. so

it's not a new idea in us foreign policy circles that america should avoid any clustering that could push then the soviet union into alignment with china. though the ussr is no more the union between russia and china seems to be unfolding before our very eyes. the andre marty and off is back with us. so andre many critics of us foreign policy say the west and unintended consequence in their actions in supporting ukraine and pastoring and tie. one have now drawn russia and china into this new alliance and military block that could counter us position as a military super power. we already see this alliance, as evidenced by the c s t o, the collective security treaty organization, with russia and china. obviously, anchoring that group. how do you see the russia,

china partnership shaping up in the years to come? should the collective west be concerned? when you fall on the spam, the united states is not a land silver power. it cannot stand in the commercial war in europe against the russia. for example, they know this most people in front are gone. cool. i'm not funny to go, gregory. or they know there are a combination of the military follow, flashing, trying to search only one penny. then your cons, primarily hor on us foreign policy today. they still consider china to be the 5. it's number one. they thought that they wrote disposal for us are really for asked of the to do one and a half years involved. but now they need to deal with trying to, trying to equal moment to the doors being united states. we left the hall, our trying are, is not as established power as a rushing terms of what in terms of native to and here's where the united states

drive to a leverage. one, the less advantage is across united states because excellent. maybe it for all of it's for up of problems and for all of its nearing up so lessons. but when you put it together with their excellent us, maybe some are waiting for us, which is monitored by the chinese one. you will see immediately why russia they are try know, i'm trying to, especially this is a rasa is where you, pardon me, the 3 a lot different. so russia may pro, i am already east providing china with the required knowledge and operational expertise with china. mike news in case the united states on strong these the war in the asia pacific region. and that in this case, well, it shouldn't go strong for august adults, people in the washington who want always world war 3. because if i'm on the united states already is not a competitor in especially a roster, and he's from mom. if you union alliance which forward yet,

the fact the easiest boss are joining of the forces. yeah, militarily, are like though it is, it beeps, we compare, but the thing is with them largest and it looks like the are russians and chinese moines in that direction to now we hear a lot in the media about how russia is running out of missiles any truth to that, i mean, what is russia's true production capability, and is that set to increase at all? no. conversely, on the us and nato have a backlog of orders to arm ukraine. the us cannot seem to meet the demand. is russia really going to be in that same position as been us? one of the major and miscalculation strategic miscalculations which actually denotes yeah, it's assigned or the death over there is a base or a grilled order of box for me to call is the fact that united states and i wrote 3

books on there never had a clue about the size of rocks on the call, and it has a new startup, which on stage of the washer pride uses number of new styles. more than the whole world combine. and they don't understand how often the economy works and they don't understand how russian military industrial complex operates and russia are, produces the united states in every single apartment. united states actually may combine in every single category of their uh, unit 3, material. read them new size to be themselves, be them. thanks be then what have you. you can take a look at the speed with which russia or original weights and updates is nuclear submarine forces right now in how many sheets of rush approaches as bills. now, you know, it's a strong issue and there you go. so it's a little cold. so obviously as usual and now they expected rush up to, you know, basically, tumble or you know, cromwell, within

a month or 2. they are evidently people that don't understand what the real economy is. they cannot know any final thoughts or perhaps predictions on how the course of this conflict and ukraine is going to play out over the next. i don't know, let's say this year to i paid for it. as of this, may i see it being cassandra? first, of course i cannot know. possibly i don't have enough information. only people who have information about all there are me to do political thought in rush of general style from the books places you'd be able to get near or around them. but i would say that we are seeing that an off on sources of your grand, actually a rush. i use anal reading as i speak for iteration. oh, there are a ukrainian army. and um, and if you want to see what is going on, i will, uh, you know, ask people to go back to december 2021 in the russian circle, ultimate, all,

everything there is already a state are very clearly what the roster one store chip and it's a little bit, it will be that you the rolling nature of baptism or the 1997 borders. yeah. would you be problems now? very possible. very probable scenario. this integration was made as such. and uh, when you look at these steps, i would say russia issued more than that. you will next step step and it will continue onto a rush of proto bills, the land bridge between all, if you're from a region and a trans new strength. and then what that will who the left of your brain, if anything and russia will be dictating population conditions. so that's pretty much it. that's what i'm expecting. the andre montana. thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. now. make sure you check out andre stuff at smooth the x 12, the number 12 dot blog spot dot com and check out his newest book called losing

military supremacy. thank you so much, andre. oh, thank you. all right, that's going to do it for this episode at modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila chance. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o the, what the records of go we use and i made it could fail them, but i seen the child support knowledge and was hoping more on the green q i kia difficult. as of course, the thing to see me is i was to

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sample 3 speed member here. so many and the modem with single the headlines on off the international as the kremlin reveals inside of my food and they meet with the leader of the wagner group and its commodity just days off to their attempted resubmit. as we have to sign, the russian president essentially discussed the faith washington's position, the green light cluster munitions, the key of stokes. i'm during a host of countries including russia, china, i'm comfortable with the stores. so some of america's posters by russian chinese relations are rock solid. and cooperation between the 2 will only be intensified.