the is when leaders of the washington axis fighting russia through ukraine gather in lithuania, to discuss the battle plans not only against moscow, but by jing as well. so how far will washington go is europe's economies decline and taxes and running a thing, and the shadows of nuclear war doc and in length, and the retired lieutenant general of russia's armed forces chairman and the executive council. as a russian incentive of policy studies you have given a bush in ski, joins me now from moscow. thank you so much and in general for coming on. so billions of dollars being bought in dues and then skis coffers. uh, what do you expect from this summit in vilnius tomorrow as well. uh, actually, uh, i do not accept much. uh frankly, uh because uh well, i understand basically patients of uh, their landscape personally and ukraine in your plane and ukraine in leadership with that uh something something real capital business as regards uh, the invitation of your train to the lions. uh,

but i don't think that's feasible. first of all, because uh while the, except uh some uh, fees and by russian stays like a voltage stays full and uh, we would like to see uh ukraine inmate that tomorrow be respectful, the consequences. uh, there are a lot of, uh, there are many, uh, european countries which oppose this, at least until the crisis is over more or even the, by the ministration though use against the as the innovation of ukraine and tomorrow. or i would say that. but if i am sure that the informal compacts between russian government, the us government, i think that the russian side will uh, cable, already believe, or if not,

we will deliver it very clear saying now that if your crane is in by they have been war uh, will not be over, because that was one of the main goals of the uh, restroom, special operation to prevent your trade in membership in be airlines. of course they could try that for and say look, right, you're made a mistake. that's why they do is going to allow them in the most of the ca bill buttons warmer. i'm best of that to moscow. he made the secret trip, apparently, to caesar lensky. you think a bill burns might have been explaining this lensky way? obviously, ukraine gone? joining nato because that would mean logical 5 would require a written and who knows who else to attack russia or so i this for uh the visit the bill burns. uh the key and recently i've seen that uh yes. and as the i, i agree that the one of the, one of the points on the gym,

that was the ukranian ukranian aspirations as for uh, journey the lands. uh, i'm sure that uh there is uh, explain the, uh, current us position and prospect. so ukraine in a may, the more i, i suspect that even in the united states, you respect people, these claims that they will support deeply or your brand as long as i mean, they understand that the, uh, the, the picture on the bed battlefield is not in favor of you. oh uh the is a very, very uh why of the size, the actions as counter offensive or offensive. i don't understand why count that are going to be fully encountered offensive because russia. uh, there's not,

there's no effect you uh, was not afraid to say the names to a launch counter. think it's a rush or that has the counter offensive in effect, since the 2014 go. that's right. the motor or i think that the calendar offensive will be launched by russian federation. i don't know where i'm at in a week and months maybe in a couple of months. but uh for sure. uh, the this uh this uh, uh, the stage of conflict bill i finished with the rest encounter offensive and, but i am sure it will be successful. so i think that the americans understand that sooner or later they've got to sit down at the table and find some solution to them . i did made it a peaceful solution to big conflict. and yeah, of course i who is there and explained to as the landscape that she is. uh, black is kind of uh, kind of busy. it's kind of we full changing the,

the bottom there was of 1991 cried me back. i was going back potter ations contributions. so there wants to play a winner. it will never happen. do you know? bill burns? yes, i know bill there is a i got acquainted with him where he was invested there us invested in moscow them during my so there is uh, this is through washington. i had a meeting in smithville veterans where he was very the head of uh, the state park. yeah. do you think? yeah, he's a sensible sort of person because what do you think of the fact that in britain, there politicians talking about the need to go to war, war with russia rather than presumably using ukraine is

a proxy and the fact that other states in europe, but talking about the need to start, i don't know blowing of parts of russia as well. uh. you see, i don't understand the, uh, the whole of course uh the uh and by, uh, russian, uh, uh, so far the position of andre birds. and that is not the the, the is the secret is being uh like this for, for the kids for the 1st centers. uh so we have no illusions about the the position um, do you think bill barnes understands that? well bill barnes. uh, bill barrons. uh is uh, a different story about the about bill bearings. uh you key. i just wondered whether you thought, since you knew bill bins, current head of the ca, whether he would recognize that some of the voices in your a but not practical. yes, of course, of course i insure above that i am sure about that. he recognizes that

the position of some countries is extreme, is a model where are the, there is now a lot of talk about, especially in your key that the don't be afraid of russia don't be afraid of nuclear weapons is not so it's not so bad. yours is no so frightening, we can uh, just, uh, 5 the limited the limited nuclear war uh, in the ukraine or in the russian. is it so arrested isn't so well i, i, i don't know. no, i can't understand why a reasonable people m a believe that the boat in and you gave me and u. k. government, in the governments of other european concept, even the baltics as they are uh, they are reasonable enough not to talk about new play reference. because it is a is absolutely responsible this message,

especially especially for re i'll get on to nuclear weapons in a 2nd. but of course media restricts is restricted in britain very uh, very strictly. you can't talk about nazis in ukraine. you can talk about zalinski stepping elections next year, so it's not a democracy. but in the media landscape, can you understand that confusion because they're all they talk about is the precaution much to moscow. i mean what, what exactly happened because precautions seems to be strengthened showing who is strengthened. puche it is strengthened and the media don't know in nato countries how to describe what actually happened. even they are not really saying anymore, oh push it is about full what. what's your understanding of what happened on june 24th? well, uh it is all about money. it's all about money. it would be because.

uh uh, regarding uh was uh is, is it a business name? uh yes. with uh some uh criminal affairs but he is a business name. she. uh is the owner of the huge uh, catherine company. uh to morrow where he is. uh he used to be, oh, i don't know the state though. uh the, the status now, but there was the owner of, uh, uh, private moves or company. uh, wagner mc. it came from the states from the minister of defense president put in uh, worst out. recently, the figures in yearly, as on the, on the catering concept with the minister of the fast g last years here are 1000000000 years dollars in years kind of c plus i see are

and love see, but uh the speed be to use the people in the company more than 1000000000 years dollars as the salaries insurance. uh, all kinds of compensations. uh. so g, she was doing quite good, quite a lot of money, but uh when uh to use uh, i would say uh, quarter oh, misunderstandings with the newest, the show you bought. and i just thought you guys are gonna stop in it though. finish that uh for uh for this year, the minister of defense uh, if used to prolong their income for the 1st 2nd uh, the middle. so defense decided that, oh uh well, i'm years old, private companies and a white man is not the only private manager company which is

acting in the, in the ukraine. all of these companies. uh, sure, uh, signing a contract with the minister of defense. and uh, actually uh, uh for themselves on the direct amount of lots of people and i read the company, but the direct amount of the minister of defense to pardon was the only leader on the ball. and i wrote the private company who refused after the show said in this case, you are out of the bedroom for you. you may have whenever you want to in africa, in asia where you study the brand and ukraine, only complex units subordinate the general stuff. so the last throw defense will continue a special operation after that. of course, uh gordon. when furious and uh, actually uh,

the these restless in absolutely service most next. well we're talking about the wagner group, but is the fact that rushes ministry defense allows privatize ation. in the 4th is a problem with some sort of legacy of the neo liberal ninety's. do you think that has to be a re thinking the russian ministry your defense of using private contract is? i know you've said that in the nato may suffer because of using private contract is just in manufacture of munition, to replace that destroyed by the russian army as well. you see, i have nothing against the private company as i remember the, the, it was uh, in uh, 2000 and then the sizes are in the mind. when the conversations in the ministry of defense started about the private, the company is which used to be in the west, especially in the us companies in iraq. uh, like, uh, uh,

black water and the others about it was agreed to that uh, try the company is i need to pay the broad aware, uh, official, uh, official, uh, a russian uh military. uh, uh, involvement is not, is not advisable. uh for the political reasons. so uh then uh, working there um was uh, organized uh at 1st it was in uh, 2011. i don't remember. exactly. and the, uh, the area of, uh, responsibility defined me like this was uh, made the effort to advisors training. there is, uh, instructors. uh, so we very uh, move those support. i mean, uh, from the view button don't material from the minister of defense, but uh,

the political uh gallery was provided in a general vision scale stuff. you have more from the chairman of executive counselor, the russian center for policy studies. after this break, the majority, the policy premium sleep will actually reconcile, reconcile, reconcile, to sales, to based on the system of the you know, the health hostage. but any analysis on my phone, i would try to do the georgia tech. i will resist any kind of compromise, any pressure any, any, will any last thoughts are lost and that reminds me to mix up else. so you do have

the voltage to search as well as for the toronto, see because the border brother, printer was, are up at one of their so some of this. so basically of course we need, your last name was needed, read it was can, will be used to live imagine we have support for someone who is this, we would show new people to the, the

the the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with you ever get any vision scheme which i tend to general of the rush it, i'm force isn't chapman, of the executive council of the russian incentive of policy studies. so we were talking about the wagner and privatization of cause some in russia, a talking about class elements in the current conflict. i mean, why is it anecdotally, people talk about the rich russians being able to escape the draft and the poor ones having to go to the front was that always there? since the russian federation was created to after the full of the soviet union was

a new thing as well. uh sir. so uh, i didn't know to agree that uh reach uh the, the part and uh on that. well, uh of course, uh there is, uh, some uh, social inequality in the pressure like in, uh oh uh, free, uh, market country is maybe in the rest of the, the gap as to why that's true. but uh, people, uh, who are outside the trade. especially volunteers, especially people. so very assigning contracts with the mirrors thrown defense smiled if you guys each of the 1400 people uh, signing a contract with the minister of defense and uh, going through your trade. uh since the 1st of january deal. uh yes,

to the 1081 times with 85000 people all the way the same contracts with the minister of defense. so if that's uh, the, the, the, the very, uh, both you get it for uh for me and reserves for the future down there offensive, by the way. uh so uh, i know a lot of people from the well, uh, i loved to reach uh, but uh, from uh the family lives with larry and some income. cool. uh, voluntary uh, went through your brain and i think uh for, for, for the goals of the i guess manager will have to wait for the statistics on that. one question. its a as often be nice and of course the nature of countries of last was in recent, he is in iraq, afghanistan, and they be syria, but they usually start off by a really bombarding cities. why is rush, you're not used to force to bomb?

you grant this? there's a, there's a very good question. reach. i was asked by my american grand, this is the european mcwilliam. especially america. why didn't you uh, bomb, uh, ukraine. as soon as you get all the a s, if you're already in, you'll get the read all the meals. and by the way, the 1st 2 weeks when a russian army managed to destroy pettigrew, a whole meal check infrastructure. i mean uh, air base is a manual basis, although without a fleet about steel, b, b, a and by a truck system. uh, but uh that was the a c. um, i may agree or not, but then that's the position of the present. the civilians are still being killed in don't yet every other day. right. and we also get body m at them, but frankly,

i don't understand why we, uh, the, uh, the, uh, some, uh, some uh, elements infrastructure, mat elements, especially pages, especially, uh right away a little bit. but it was, uh, it seems like i say the, the civilian objects of the infrastructure and that's position of the president, but not the effect of the simulation. so structured on the page. a lot of people did not understand this, but that's the position of the russian president and the russian got. maybe it's because when they to does it and has done it in iraq, afghanistan, and they'd be in syria, they ended up losing the was who knows? so is the plan to just wait for all this west and weapon? read the queue up and certainly destroy every tank. every hymer, every of whatever, a multi $1000000.00 piece of equipment being given away, does it ends, e comes up and just destroyed all one by one as well. the fact which was

a sped expected, especially by the landscape by you praying that uh was stomach. we've been, we'll be the major, major states and for those very in your cream, turned out to be mildly speaking, not true. well, uh, actually seems to be uh for us both june a bought into the official information of the minister of defense ukraine loss more than to 20000 people or best a male and above 1000 pieces of armor, including banks, a cds, and o. uh, other uh, armies vehicles. uh so we, uh, i do not expect that. uh yes, americans decided it does look like, uh, some uh, sir. the uh, visa. so bradley, but the cbc goes 20 sir the, uh, well,

uh, parts are go or yeah. bought, you know, uh from your store. uh, supply for uh, leopard bags for $620.00. it doesn't matter. it's not the number uh, which is uh, so bought uh for the sliding in the, in the, in the, in, in your trade. i am sure that 1st of all, uh, sooner or later i presume it is still there. uh your opinion was really shut down for a trade. but as of now the good and, and, and the equipment uh which uh why some countries are uh, supplying equipment. the munitions, um not, not, not the math for, for a sub or something decisive on the part of the western european populations seem to support the government, the policy to fight, to fight on. do you think this is because russia is losing the propaganda or the perception war, obviously in nature will was before they had journalists,

who would um, i'll give a lie for them of whether it be iraq, syria, or afghanistan. olivia, it doesn't look good. does it to see drones attacking the kremlin, the coach bridge being destroyed, the north stream to be destroyed? assassinations of john lives in moscow and saint petersburg. how? how is russia gonna convince western europe that they're being lied to? where you see on the board to say, oh, you know it better than me as a journalist, as i mean man, that all the ways, the media all the major and use papers to the stations. a tv programs, the radio programs being put in there. but they are all, is the russian, they are uh, every being it, every hour they are broadcasting as well. i will say dog show

big chairs, what's going on in your trade? pulling fantasy in fantasy. it's illegal not to be up against rusher, arguably and say, britain. i mean, i, i'm going to ask you, i mean, we now know that there 50 british troops, soldiers in ukraine from jack tech's areas, pentagon bates ken rusher, responds to what the british, who's deployment of british soldiers, presumably they have to train people to see uh, what do you see uh the previous soldiers officially, the adjustment us and there was and then of course, you know, there by the british and so yeah, so special forces, according to the leaks from the pentagon, the jack next era revealed and it's going to jail for revealing well, uh you see that's not very that bestbuy, that is my opinion. it's not a sufficient reason to start with or with your feet. uh, by the way, uh,

let's say we get rid of those people uh, in your brain and it smell maybe maybe it's not a very a right not to not to uh, publicly, uh, disclose the fact that the so many, so many british uh people go all the way the deal that they can prism, i think it's uh, there are a lot of, uh, political, i'm beginning the, you know, these in all these actions. but though we know that there are casualties in mind that the biggest ship and citizens in my us, citizens, the europeans. but the, the, the figures and the figures, and i've made public by the national minister. that's well,

there's been another tool of nuclear weapons. people can watch on camera, gun of interview on rumble. but and of course made video of is talking about days being quite probable. they'll be nuclear will eat on musk. uh, perhaps the richest man in the world. he's helped a john list because he was freed up to it to, to be on sensitive. but if it will, the us and western european weaponry is all going to just be destroyed in the next few months. you said that even most styling system has been given to useful for us and then skis, a, a new nazi link troops in ukraine. yes, i understand that the star link is being used in uh for me on through purposes. that is an open secret. but the problem is studying that at the destroy every single uh, uh, trans moving station is uh, quite the best and uh you said we use, uh uh,

maybe the drones uh, maybe use but uh, it's not really the solution. the solution will be the, will the destruction of the space component, the styrene, but that would entail the, the, the best would be the very highest stage of installation in the bathroom patient with united states. other than being guy saying that uh, russian president is not ready for um, direct uh confirmation that in about a space he wants the content of general questions. okay, thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode. but until then you can keep it just by the social media if it's not sensitive in your country and have to have channel going. undergoing tv on normal dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground sees that the

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