yeah, i mean, i guess what you're saying here, but you know, when you go to the bbc is majority of just of a 50 percent is majority owned by the u. k. government, you know, about the war in syria over the past 10 years, where many european countries and nato was directly involved. although the media wouldn't tell you that. um, are you surprised by this? i mean, would you be surprised? but the, the, the, one of the network channels of the u. k. government will be saying these things about syria, to me, it doesn't seem surprising. it a little bit. i know you're ready. okay. we were not surprised, but we were a trying. okay, i'm, i'm not assuming governments, but i'm, i'm, i think that the human government had tried to get the bbc or other media and withdrawn media, the chance to save it, folks to see the tools and save the tools. but they decided to, to take the other way. that's why. um, that's why they, they cancel the bbc uh, corresponding and kind of in that into. yeah,

i think because it okay after to, after 12 years of war on your yeah. and you, you, you don't, you didn't see the truth and you don't want to see the truth pieces for between. that's why they cancelled everything. yeah, well, i mean, the government at maybe maybe maybe, maybe 5 play indeed. i'd only think this is the, the end of the story. we'll see how this plays out jasa la john list joining us here on how to international from damascus. a great pleasure. thank you very much. the view is about the ukraine complex. i don't always align with politicians narratives, the head of an italian trade union and the re caufield and the visited, the embattled blue gasket popping up to find on what the locals, the thing you spoke to us and its exclusive interview with axis. steve, i am the reconsider evening. i am the president of a 3 the, you know,

not by like out from visa, easily. and the, i present in the 3 day, you knows for 30 new, you knows, and the, the, you and you're not all the shape, isn't it? gaze the, a america, maybe the base in pisa called the visa a, you know, no, no comp, a database. and the i m a in the don't less than because i want to support the and we want to support the and very true me too because in our country you need to leave it is h in florida. and the so i can see i can be near to people to the at least and to speak about what was new crane a 19 that not a 94. uh and uh eh, and uh uh, so a we want to uh speak or what not. or if the ends

of it gays to the own, must be for batter major or, or we thought then uh, we've done bus before and all of the, our government is against these people and on the importance of international southern, obviously why is that so important? just show you the support of the italian people for the people don't boss. yes, because uh uh, from our country we see uh sort of a fast time, easily send the i me a send the bumble to in the to came. we are, we have a now of course, the fission easily it gave will, you know, of course, the thing. sure. but we see all of these, or the end that in particular from the, our audio we see 3, and we see uh many uh,

many volume being go to send the visa uh visa land, to kato, people and the weekend. that's it. i mean, just coming on to that point actually is now the 6 analogies, manufacturer of homes in the world, it's increased at spending from 1.4 percent to 2 percent of g d p. now that's in line with negative used amounts, but you will trade union um, advocates withdrawal from nighttime. why is that not so important? we are we set it? yeah. we it lease it in a moment to about to decrease it crazy. and the, our government spend for out of the spends of tuesday and money percent for that we have many problems and also asked of call me what was a big problem in a $30.00. now we have a problem at 4 or fixed for the economy. and this is what we spend our,

our for increase. they have it, i've me say though, we can't, that's it. so we didn't go straight out. so in, uh we've, uh, i wanna, you know, we didn't, we have a press conference in front of a mediator american base and the visa, wherever it starts. well, it send from this base the bottom but to a okay. for the most 3 the what we are a gaze to what we want it to stop eat, because that we must fix for the bees and the problem solving problems not to talking about. but that has been strong caption in it to me. does been massive protests in a to a huge numbers on the streets, around the slogans. low your guns, raise our, our salaries. and you mentioned this just to touch on this just now. but do you

think that there was a link between the crisis for workers, this crisis workers, and also the conflict and ukraine, or a we leave a even in past the for example, that mom and manta may be small of them as to was a lot of just now with these we've agent really we have a chance to, to we, i know can the only people, if i don't have a need interested the can have the news, a mouth searching. good. not even that, but the phone, a very major of people. it's a done police and then both of these war we see cook and our, mambo no, no. k to people on jayden. only we speaker phone uh to support the a. okay. now, um, what uh eh, was, uh, you know, before the eh, 2012 uh, was, uh, i mean,

literally at last uh, it's just so difficult. uh for uh, uh our unions to as a, to a comma inside the media. now for speak about the very of the situation where the situation was, what the in the 2014 in the gave her was gone, called the got it because it a progressive then elective was not a rush on the nation. that a told me that bought the bulk c o the oxy, speak. what was the regular election that you know? okay ma'am. and change change but pressure them off. they've stopped to a cream if prime from national, at least from a visa, but, but the young leaves, the not least as of as of, as of a died or a the right sick though. yes, yes. visa and the i remember i was in don't ask before. liter before die when we

start in the meantime. i even remember i asked 2 people the what do you think may be bonus to? i remember the face, no, because of we all know hash and that we have no problem these audio after a few one months, start to a war in don't ask people out of p, let x at our our mission is to remember all of these tides. us because we can speak about the lease situation easily. we know start the from the 2014. you mentioned the difficulties faced by particularly by trade unionists. they needed to the now i think it was last year where this wide scale oppression of trade unionist, people were started to be arrested. u. s. b, for example. the offices were rated, looking for width. and so, i mean, this is quite as already good considering the situation, but this,

this shows the tale and routing costs. the government is afraid and they're afraid of the power of organized work is where these attacks linked to opposition to the position on ukraine that i put all the rest of the yes yes. yeah . the state office, for example, for example, for, for the press confidence i communicate to authority, but only for the press conference. we was in 3 and that's in the no office of address but as it should be. and then it's 25 from kind of meeting and, and police here. so these are the only because i, i organize that press conference in front of the american base. 25. and the only, we only communicate 3. it means that view revision at least and $25.00.

okay, asked me how or how easy your name. uh, and this is linked directly to opposition to nato. and the result it's a very difficult to not to, to speak. it's not possible speak. i am a product action. i don't, it's not possible. yeah. it's a because you understand often you have problems. but does this show that in italy the government is afraid of you? a b as a, as a gaze to i still gaze and the but the, the not the only been government we, we see it or, or bust this or but these environments know speak we. so they are slaves, really slaves of novel, of a usc and for, for the 1st time and very said no position in 5 months. and there was a major impact. they have united against it, gains to because he thought he must stay with novel must they?

we've what they side the america us. so the, it's not possible i have and i that, and i, that you understand, it's not possible to have it to think what the, what is it not that to me. okay. richard is an option to add bad. eh, we must submit to claim and we must give the bomb to create and no discussion, no discussion in 5 minutes. it's not the victim of government that besides, i am biased, this upset because us a warranty. so in peace or your hometown will cause a grounded an airplane off that i found boxes that was supposed to be loaded with humanitarian aid. but when the boxes were open, you discovered that there were weapons. i know she want to tell every night. could you explain what happened? yeah, so what happened in these uh airport,

what the work is to duty and get his work. and i think it to the north to the flat that toward the, in the, in the kind of go visa manufacturing. uh, at adults a lot the of a surprise was the was the what was the nothing money thought them have was army bomb. so they stopped to work or bought from the because a work, if so on. the visa and the union now decided that 2 guys us together to stop because of a know want because it means that leave it easy to edition work as are against was and the they stop immediately, immediately from this they have many problems. really. they have many problems or people are as should, let's all and the, the without

a problem now in with the police and the, and the out of it on the wall just for work for a, for his family. know. and they are in front of it both to choose what they choose to stop to know, look for to know what before i was what happened after that to these weapons. and how did the government explain because it's no, it's not good the just because we send them. no, for government. it's not. we are for the why that, that we, we, a big for me is story for people like the video is to or so if that involved, but can you do the key to many people know in the interviews of land in the bus. this is vivian because if you leave, i mean you,

you can, if you leave long, you kids. so to parliament discuss what happened about it, about the humanitarian i that was really bones to the parliament discuss it to. no, no, no, no, no, no, speak, no, no, no, no. you now what, uh, for example, i need the only internet especially strongly because uh we have a leak and safety. we know from uh, visa, uh we know from, uh and i see, and i see uh today, but the official a visa point. uh the reason point on the work of what uh, it's the silence from or media or to look at media. but also there was an injustice incident in pizza in, in the port of geno, as well as a similar thing happened. web work has refused to load a shift with me or refuse to allow shipped to leave loaded with munitions. i mean,

this is quite something really isn't say instead of a of f a because it's in, in an hour and half, it's a physician for the ether link or 2 days against the games for a for. and so for these, because we know we uh who, what is it? uh, what is vishal? we know what the visa is a water. okay. and i guess it was submitted as a war from a 5 toward the a usa, nato end of a c, a. okay. and these are the only midland or what? so this down. so the visa reach kansas use to fight. let's see. i think if you want us to know what do you see who i am a we've a non bus people. i am a, we've ok now people know i am a gaze. now he's a police a but he's government. what to use. she's people know for the

uh to side of that a visa and also only is in these key the latest pizza a. only a human he's in the, you know, in the last, a hat ahead of, of, of, uh, of not till they said we do sync internationally. the work is have the power to stop nato as well. we must work. we must work for the, for the increase because it's, uh, it a, the engine of these water is dangerous in pain and there are many new crowd eh, eh, luchella's essential. and if for, for a mistake only for the mistake, one bone. no. all right. what was chatting to be in front of the order of he's a,

a new class now. so i can't understand the why. the green, a 5 d all viewed of books thing silence, for example. or in some cases like in gym and a jet really went out of it 1st of all, as leading the to drive to know. and we, we may have a plane that joe can get, we know eh, it situation. what that can be the end of it, as we've seen very recently the publications around does i wrote a new yes. yes. yes. for example, i want this lane and because i know visa are yeah, i is the the, the, the legend though, for example, the typical m e e e. nathan a both that what the right to need. yes. example is that footage of echo noses in. okay. is that felicia safety as that please. yeah, uh no, cuz i said, i think that i have uh 5 onto a default on the can no minutes or so no, from

a distance. and they speak when for example, the, for the rocket that rises up. what is your safety now they use for it? it russians bomb but is that police? yeah, no, no. it's the so fate could be clear. so uh, what i should i heard is that for these. yeah. and i and the center from the 1st the, from the 1st they, and the how to do ration so, sand bomba is alpha. it's a, if a can you bought them they use or so long for on this end of a lab, they need a lower level of media. what these, that for example, my, my friends, we talk about the belligerent countries, the aggressive countries. britain is one of the most aggressive, yes. um. but it has to support with a government that the british government has the support of purchase trade unions.

so for example, g m b is a 3rd largest trade union in prison. a general union manufacturing, but also in the organizes workers in the homes industry. very recently, a code for more palms production to produce more items on for more on some weapons to be sent to ukraine. some say this is woman greek. what would you say the position of work is should be towards the conflict and ukraine, a worker side against what workers to me for was uh no, what is the war? because it's a war. it's the opposite of the life of peace of the and is it not in my life? and i want a glass of water cuz no, no can stay with uh,

the visa of each of the people visited rate shift or the guy because they wanted to know who play with the 4 people they had to play for with people. but many people from the 2099, a 94 a died and the weekend effect weekends. that's f e u to today. what developed new nancy know and or people died today a we can't the 2nd more. so we my for to increase the it organization involvement water, cuz students now to stop, stop a visa and not the position to stop for me to send the eh, we phones to you. ok. because all i need to stop a window is that to you. ok. mccann and niece that i gave, for example,

over the weekend saturday in britain, there was a demonstration in many cities, but not demonstration cause for russian troops out. now, you know the heavier, very well in don't boss if, if, if russian troops left on boss. what would happen is i'm not fussing, or because i had people don't last, are russians. so look into okay and collapsed to why the land and non bus, the owners, regardless of passions from or from m, and the very speak russian go to that crashing. that's what the must do. they must the uh, 8 go a days. is the story is a family. it's not possible. so for these, eh, european people, either to pay and the government now to government, a usa must sink and don't buy. so we'd be always fashion last,

but if russian troops disappeared from the on bus, at the moment, ukrainian forces nato, by nato, with nato weapons of rice on the border. if russian troops disappeared, what would happen? i see visa for example, visa, i am a new guys from today's i c or getting station i see kyle people and the 14 for support the russian army a so it's not panic. the law i i think uh what uh, a woodlands. panic in other boxes. but we saw area and um, but for example, at the 1st uh i can, oh wow. it is. uh, i was in a shock and all because it, for me, it was the 1st time i looked people bought the new people. people was regular

people. no, no, i phonic people and they ceased difficult life, but to go continuous toward continuous to do what, what i see the aerial view and you all know from the. busy from the and so this and uh for the visa image i am, i believe, i believe what uh the on bus wouldn't be or royce, and russian left no come back if it lose you on a full think. now, who thinks what don is regardless is up at all is you have so come back, it said membership wouldn't be or was it should've left and they won't be for they want it. so what would your, what's your position then on rushes, special minute to operate. your support is i support the yes because uh i am uh because of the uh,

the advice before to start either man, but uh uh, if these are special or what was the name 9. uh yes. before i think they are driving key of that. we did some parts of people for people. no, no need the. we bought the rush and they'll do a name vision and this time because believe to you, he'll pay a government. but after 9 years after 9 as what see to the q. she's the people in the silence of a european countries. it's not her mother, brother. he had come to defend, cease people. i don't know where these are these and the, it's a, a of something is sometimes i think not for example. now, what is a crime and cries a rash. i'm not a bad. the people know. yes,

that the was a visa islamic. no, never easy snow, no one less finished. it's amazing. now it's a magic time of finish and all of it, i only got some bad uh, you know, it may be a visa is allow me got an order placed in. so i don't know, illusions. it's not that he left the key so that creating a new animal. so yeah, yeah, yes or it's a organize a last, you really organize it for all know who want come inside the end for and uh, and it going to all out. it's an automatic what not to and rags. uh me a move it bought that house. yeah. and i the embossed on the account 3 we've uh a new to the bomb, but it's not a motor we ever i, i think to cool. but for now, for $23.00, a rocket to as well as on sale,

the science going for the 70. so it's not all about that. but i, the last, the democratic countries that it's not about dollar amount a release of the west, a democratic government, it's but people that because if it pass and then when the election, nobody to know near it. so the thought of, you know, if the dual rest of that and then people speak, i want to be we've a and rations, it's not the right who do i go there. but if a menzies to a key to pass on new the most efficient in key of keep of the government against the election fed out in democratic the, it's the secret icons at the very, very yes, really strange. so there's no, there's double standards throughout, isn't ever. absolutely. we, we think to victim of the,

on the visa water, out of it, babies chugs events. so we have a, uh, april mice. we want to, uh, build, we've our activity a, a green 5. we've a place for the children and the babies because they are the 1st victim of visa, the war, and the we are a, we think or these to these new uh, new pass on about, uh, uh, from the full software you can get for the 90 s we want to see is might of is receipts s x. we are here for this. thank you very much. thank you. the

question, i mean, usually of, of, of seeing those words isn't like i do live most schools do. if you look on the initial do, while, of course, significantly post on zillow, while it be almost getting used to put value, where do you do oil change? but you also still, this is done the newest 3 government building systems to build a new do what i see these the buses. the little gear relation says this tutorial on both of the

lowest points of view as the rest of the the deal is still a vehicle currently because the most in store for the money is in douglas school in which it seems to stay on the the

the cost back to the united states, supplies costs are emissions to crane the russian on forces will be forced to use similar weapons against the ukraine, you know, forces couple as i'm showing here, right. that as russians defense minister was of most go will respond in kind of key of the employees. americans applied plus the munitions, i think the ukrainian casualties in recent weeks total over $26000.00 highly anticipated nato summit. and members can only agree on a joint state but based.