cultural pit stop set museums and paying respects to the pile level russian delegations trip to beijing ortiz. donald porter is in china and takes us through how it all went. we're here right now in tale on china, which is a town in de leon named province where the final event of the 3 day russian diplomatic visit to china is taking place. as you can see behind me, the top diplomats led by him flowers at monuments to the soldiers who gave their lives in the fight against fascism during the 2nd world war from the soviet army and the chinese army. now this is a very significant moment in terms of russian and try as a monuments to that cooperation that goes all the way back to world war 2. something that continues to live on to this day. and that we can see in the reception that the russian delegation was given upon its arrival here and as well as the result. today, my vehicle met with the regional head of the leon needing

a region who's also the regional head of the communist party here. and they gave a press conference about this meeting, talking about how russia china cooperation is not only at a historic high, but it's also set to get even warmer than it already is. their strategic partnership, trump is 3 day trip my vehicle only profile politicians, including the chinese president, changing pain might be unco said, that that meeting went very well. they discussed how russia in china are continuing to cooperate as the 2 of the very few sovereign nations that are left in the world, which is what msn go said. and she said that, uh, these relations have a very bright future ahead of them. and as you can see behind me, i'm a very good ation that just sort of reinforces the kind of friendship that china and russia have enjoyed throughout the years. that's are up for now. but coming up 8 of summit is that ukraine, in spite of its sacrifices,

won't be admitted into the blocks, the discussion next on cross. tom, thanks for watching the eclipse the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and whether or not i am peter lavelle but h o. so i'm, it didn't build, this is a pond, it's the only certain outcome is that ukraine will not be invited to join the alliance any time. soon. in the meantime, ukraine is asked to sacrifice a young man on a promise that will probably never be kept. washington likes it. that way, the, i'm joined by my guess least,

fletcher in charlottesville is an intelligence and geo political risk expert, as well as ceo, a b p, consulting in san francisco. we have k j. no, he is a political analyst. we have luke renee, he is an independent act. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated. lee, let me go to you 1st and charlottesville. you know, it's all over the news. it's a big deal. it's the most important. some of nato has had, you know, since forever and all that. but when you look at the details, okay, fine. there's something called a map in this for, for ukraine to get into nato. what other countries had to do to except for dental and sweden they were exempt. okay. we could talk about that, but this is a, this exemption here is a, is a, is a slippery path because you know, this exemption, it doesn't get demanded thing out really deep seated corruption. and it really just says, you know, inter operability, they will buy weapons from american arms producer. so i mean the west good for american producers and it's asking, are you crying to be maybe a little bit pregnant to your theaters?

some it's in general, tend to be a bit underwhelming. there's a great deal of fostering and narrative, but a little in the way of bold, meaningful change that the big new story right now, of course being that turkey up, this opposition to so you can join you. but in terms of ukraine, it can't receive membership even by and acknowledge that out loud. so what we'll need to expect that the where to go much differently better for ukraine, worse for russia, and that has not happened. so nato has little in the way of tangible options, except to continue to 3 broad categories of age that is provided thus far. the 1st of course, is military assistance, the west lifeblood of the war effort for a year and a half for ukraine. but the west has little left to give, and ukraine has dwindling manpower. so nato can continue to supply some weapons and ammunition, but likely lesser and both on the quantity and quality. and none of this will alter the outcome of the war in a perceptible manner and the staff planning assistance. the facts on the ground

simply favour russia. the 2nd broad category is money. so enormous infusions of western cash are the only reason the government in ukraine can operate. so nato will likely continue to provide some financial assistance. but again, this has no real impact on the result of the war. aside from continuing to keep the government afloat and the 3rd category is promises. so i would expect more of the same platitudes out of the as long as it takes things like that. there might even be some sort of hard, non binding pledge that at the end of the war they might allow ukraine to join the problem, of course, is that the military operation in part to prevent ukraine from joining the alliance . so the idea that russia would allow a conclusion of the war that would lead to ukraine joining just seems not very likely jo. k. j, a guy. i'm really glad lee gave of excellence and i agree with them. but i can't tell you. i mean, if you really take a step back to this, is this nato,

his way of keeping the more going, but just wanted to keep going, because out of all of that, the, the ink that has been spill. no one's talking about an outcome of this conflict, and that is, since we're not talking about an outcome, that is why they keep pursuing it. your thoughts? absolutely right. nato has a vested interest in keeping this going. as we know from the get go. this idea was to bleed russia and to cause as much damage. and so they're looking at protracted war. i absolutely agree that also on russia's and it has an interest in keeping the board going. if it turns out that that ukraine would join a at the conclusion of the war. so there's some deep contradictions built in to all this pastoring. and i think the other piece that we have to notice is that at the same time that nato is clustering and increasing its rhetoric

the same time. we also see that it's making maneuvers towards expanding into asia, most notably a liaison office, integer patch. we already know that nato has i t p p and you know, uh, yeah, personalized plans of relationships with multiple countries. and i think the next thing that we have to watch out for is natal going to seek to expand into the asia pacific can vision. so that's for sure the door is always open, okay? except for the countries they deem to be threats or they create as threats as they did in the case of russia, needlessly. look, i mean it's, it's really interesting. i mean, you live on the european continent. it's obvious the bought the ukraine in nato because then that would be obligations towards a ukraine. so they don't want it in, in, in the alliance. they want this war to keep going. they will problem to continue doesn't bother the americans, the economies of europe continue to dwindle here. i mean, it's a good deal for the americans. look,

a citizen wide proxy. know young americans on the bicycles, you know this, the ukrainians answer the questions. so it's perfect. mister blinking, repeated it a few weeks ago when he said that he was not for peace all negotiations. it was for the continuation of for, and if you remember, the date of incident he got was february 9th, 1991 james baker. and all the minnesota thomas promised to go would not move when the page to be in presence guess to the german, maybe st. presence of all or i'll do, i'll put the american promise. and i mean, since this isn't pro today, of course, since 2014, they are preparing your brain for this coughing. and it is a publication, a total provocation. the wish doesn't see you because we have very good propaganda . you know, price here in here. well,

i actually wouldn't say it's good propaganda. i mean, i think during the cold war is a lot more subtle. it's like, you know, lee, one of the things, it's very curious, you know, and talk to you about this. um, it, it is, you know, nato is about security of its members countries, but they don't want to talk about you pay in europe and security and ending the alliance isn't going to create security actually in security. and that is the greatest fault of nato. it doesn't think about the security of others. we go ahead and i found sir. yeah, i agree. so during the cold war, nino was created specifically to counter the soviet union and its eastern block allies, missed it, expanded and conduct, most importantly, offensive operations. as we saw 1st in the were on serbia, 1999. so when we compare an authentic alliance that clearly does not contribute to stability on the continent. clayton and k j that was this concept during the cold war was developed during the,

what's called the helsinki process is the indivisibility of security. they never use one country can increase its security at the expense of another. everybody agreed to that they don't anymore. go ahead in san francisco. yes, i mean this is fun dimensions. any notion of security is that you cannot increase your security at the expense of my or somebody else's security. i don't get to protect my car by putting play more, mind me feel more secure. so this notion of individual security, which is foundational fundamental to a, a saying that rational world order has been completely discarded. and so if we look at, for example, the chinese republican ukraine of a political settlement for the ukraine, they talk about this process. it's the 2nd clause in the position paper, but certainly from the standpoint of the united states as it manipulates nato. a

mutual security is completely gone out the window. yeah. and located the, the aim of, of, of, of nato, under the leadership. the united states is not to protect the crane, but to destroy russia as another fundamental flaw this organization. luke, by the tooth, clearly since 2014, we've seen a n b on there in this is, is incredibly, you some incredible beneficiary of what happens because of the ox most. that b, p and stop buying polar products on hold for germany on american muslims. right? not europe. the french tried to sell their f a. all the rest is jolene americans. and the problem seems to be not. i mean, you know, it's cash. you know? so lensky says it's $3000000000.00 noodle a week of dollars a week. that grade needs you to kind of follow suit all the mrs fatherland,

ask for 50000000000 euro. and then again, the bad pupils and the golf. like this, the organ sang. we are the boss, this is wildly we call pay. so this is the next problem for the um from h o n for the friends of your crime. yeah. but look, maybe, you know, the donald trump with can complain that the europeans wouldn't pay enough and, and then that's a fair argument. but to your point here is that they, they want, they can arms, do i have the calculation? correct? because it is what happens. you know, the pass code 5 be emetic complaints, but like germany paul, i'm kidding. like you try to buy properties from be part of the, the deal that got striking 1000000000 in something which is, which is incredibly bad for your incredibly bad because of medicare at the same time. just destroying our capacity to new markets. that will good for you. what they, what is the, they want to conquer new markets and having, or, i mean the, the ask dan griffith came to an end and nope,

no coincidence. ukraine came into play. gentlemen, we'd have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the nato summit and build estate with our team. the hi, i'm accepted and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show . seriously. why watch something that's so different. whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. let's see. i a weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't want my shell stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again,

it's not. we don't want to watch it because it might just change the way inside the . the welcome that's across the dock were all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt. you mind you were discussing the nature of summit and build this the ok. let's go back to lee lee. i mean, again, the build up the propaganda build up to this a summit. here. i'm actually very confused because i keep talking about the future of the future of the alliance of cut the terms and conditions for

a membership for ukraine and so forth. but you know, we're not even close to there. i mean, we don't even know what kind of ukraine is going to exist. it's a, it's borders. we have no idea. we don't know what kind of economic strength it will have. we didn't have no idea what its population is going to be. and we haven't even get it forever. pay for a rump state. i mean, these are all valid questions, way indeed. they are. the 1st i don't believe the crane would ever be allowed into nato. oh, that i i agree with you. i agree with you. yeah. yeah, i don't believe by that. i mean, i don't believe russia would ever allow it to happen, as i mentioned earlier. but within this context of the hypothetical, that western leaders continue to propose of this post or ukraine and what they're going to do for it. and rebuilding and membership and various western alliances. i think it is noteworthy that the parts of ukraine russia controls now and is likely to control at the end of the war comprise most of the countries gdc including aft would indeed be

a romp of it largely agricultural nature. deferral probably will have to rely on uh, western need. so i agree with you. okay, just in case they say the same question too, because there are there, all the assets is about investing in ukraine and what, what ukraine are you talking about? okay, at odds with, with rush you want, then there's always the likelihood that the cost and environment like that go ahead in san francisco. well, they're really talking about investing in more investment. ultimately, it boils down again as we point us drill complex. and so this is, you know, and it's crude, a small one, a military retains unison. the united states also understands that it is the military is the only part of its industrial capacity, which is still functioning on the high level. it wants to and that would be interesting to india, korea, and japan. and so what, once again,

what we see is this preparation of a military industrial chain that is creating a kind of enclosed set among its vassals. for the with the united states, it's extracting the value from the continued process of murder and violence. yeah, it look, if i can tap into your experience being a european living in brussels, i came across a day a report that a little less than 5th, the percentage of poles poles, poland, want ukraine in nato. well, i mean phones is one of the hard liners into your, what is public opinion in europe? i mean, is it essentially the same? my point is there is a democracy deficit here. who were the people ever asked about this? they were never austin's goals and gets his funding different from poland and the rest of your phone is in the common sense that they have the, with the, with rush of the cause of, of the whole,

the big case. and in the centuries in the pasta were conquered 4 times or 5 minus bought by russian. so that is a hatred in, in bowling for, for actual or on the all settled immediately the rest of you, that's something say in germany the pacifist, people want against the small want to get out of numerous before i respond to you know, position b, a, b, which is now is very much against the water ukraine. they want this to stop it now . they don't want any more military equipment coming for jet. jeremy wants to build factories to, to own assembled. thanks in your credit. i wonder how long, how long they would last and the same across, you know, it is a launch, a position that is now silent because you called and talked about it. so it's sort of been to, to, to come from the defense of russia and,

and cannot. and most of politicians shut off the so be like a looking pos above really the population. people never a good 40 method accepted. it officially was never an issue during elections. and um, uh, it's a real problem. it's lee. it's very interesting. yeah. we could throw in american domestic politics for a 2nd. i mean, you have to, well known a candidates running for the presidency, bobby junior and donald trump. um, uh, they don't agree with washington. everyone didn't want it seems to outside or is that are saying different, different things and they have it a lot of traction. quite interesting. don't you think i certainly do. and it's something that i've seen play out in many different people on the opposite side of the spectrum. are all very dissatisfied with the status quo, which is to say with the establishment exactly. or some people talk about this for a few theory and not such a big fan of that. but what i think is there's been

a small sort of ruling elite club that is kind of enrich themselves at the expense of others and largely run things into the correct action among those who are not a part of that. yeah, it's very interesting, kasia, it's a, you know, i'm, i would say i was taken off of youtube where on rumbled though and other platforms i was banished from twitter. and until you on came back like any debate at all 0 debate. you know, i think you have to understand this as a kind of hybrid warfare. the information warfare is key. and for example, you know, in standard baffled doctrine. before you send to the infantry, you send an air cover and you send an artillery to supreme your infantry. it's the same process that happens. but on a high, a level before you start a war or while a war is going, you also want to suppress any piece activism,

any resistance toward. and so this information ward is literally a way of suppressing any to send any resistance, any of any challenge, to the notion no into the justification of the war. so this is what we're seeing right now. the information warfare is the pretended and the sub genetic dimension of this ongoing war. yeah, the local, we've seen that happened in, in there's a real physical consequences of what's going on with the economy in europe because of the conflict. and you know, you can propagandized all utilizing, you can't fudge that, luke, and um, so for a long time, they stop talking about the fact that the, the energy issue is essential for the german industry, for example, and industry and other companies. but especially germany like capital street that needs a lot of gas and they don't get any stuff. get by the way, 15 or 20 percent,

or i guess from russia on uh through the brotherhood, lifeline. oh. through you no problem. and to kinda key to the south trying to um, to the balkans of that office, i'm going into austria. so it's not that simple and you cannot replace these by the elegy from america most mediately. we need 500 more ships to transport, but allergy that haven't been very, very expensive. it is awfully expensive and american doesn't give us a favor by giving get a pm to a better price for the gas. so it's really the minutes complained to america likely because of saying you should make an effort to reduce the price of your gas. so we have a technical issue, energy for industry in europe, and it's only worsening now because of dropping off at but wouldn't have gas or oil and gas because of the lack of gas with the wind. very good in public prepared for

another quite amazing, you know, i, in the wake of the iraq war, never again will never let this happen again. but it does, it's a pattern. it continues to happen over and over again. doesn't want another forever more that needs to be very little, because let's remember the us to not declare war on russia. it's prosecuting a proxy war against russia and ukraine as a matter of policy. and that policy is decided by the people who are in charge and we get very few other box because the party systems generally prevent outside or is from coming along and making it to that level to 2016 of course, was huge exceptions. people didn't expect trump to make it that far, but by controlling the options, such that policy makers can really kind of go on as they want without consequences . has been the order of the day for quite some time. and i can't say it's really interesting is it pokes a blood into policy, and it's really field on this,

the immunization of russia. and it actually is works with the elite just as we just pointed out. it's never on the ballad box, but it's always implied. and it went from foreign policy to domestic policy. go ahead in san francisco. you're absolutely right. i mean, this entire russian gate of framing has been very, very instrumental. and it's not only serves the domestic political purposes, but it's the which is the implicit foundation under which this war is wasted. the russia has been a friend to the united states. it's been a threat to europe, etc. of course, all of this is, you know, propaganda. the essential threat to europe into the world is the united states. currently, the united states is the country that is d industrialized in europe. and we have to understand this war and not simply as a way to bleed russia out, but on the vassal status to the united states. it's really quite interesting. i mean, obviously, you know, you don't,

you never want to be an enemy of the united states. i mean, there were countless more as the and then being americans friend is not in very good place as well. apparently we can ask luke and brussels to do to verify that for all of us gentlemen, we've run out of time. i want to thank my guess, in charlottesville, san francisco, and in brussels. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at rp, the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00]

the number you need you to see it to nancy, click jim's, and then that's just me where it gets to that the only showcase is the thing. so i'm just going to the boys at the boys, the probably the one that's noun, that'll be put down a minute. but i'm afraid this to the possibilities. we'll continue dates and then we may expect the escalation because i don't see any c, c,

a demand for peace in your model. there's no piece of equipment sometimes introduced, aggravates the situation at the time you decide to keep up. this was in the interest of us administrator, so the the businesses, such as strong political message that would be in the stronger message from they