to what did they do differently in new zealand? so what i've seen in those institutions is more of a creation of a community of corrections so many of the facilities look like little apartments. there's just a different weight, or i think they engage and i believe the population is able to kind of go out and work. so there's a level of preparedness for returning to society. i think in america we do some of that, but there is a level of step down and more of a controlled environment for that to happen here. and then i feel like in some of the 3rd world countries, there is more of a responsibility for the families to take care of the offenders. so there are times where, like a family member has to go and make sure they have food. and they have sort of their basic needs met. whereas in america,

like that's part of our care process. and anthony, you wanted to add a comment just kind of in partnership. so obviously countries like new new zealand will be doing like a integration model. so basically looking to rehabilitate the offender for re entry, which is basically what we obviously do here in the states. but i think that for me the models that are probably the least 2 main or the ones that have least amount of supervision. like i've seen some in central america or south america that don't have our direct supervision. they don't have any staff oversight. they basically do things from which to me, are you wind up having facilities that are ran by the offender population as opposed to some level of staff oversight. and now this question goes for both of you. ideally, prisons are supposed to be used for rehabilitation and reform and not necessarily punishment, but is that really how it works in reality. and so i've been involved this system

for 20 years. so of to my experience, there is a level of accountability even in regards to reintegration. so technically what we have to do is we have to take our we have to look at the system up based on the extremes of what's shown to us on tv, to pull some political perspective. we're supposed to look at actually, how jails and prisons operate. because what you see on the tv could be an extreme that's based on human failure and not what the design of the system is. so sadly, what winds up happening is that model winds up becoming the standard, the standard definition, and then they start making changes that are already being done that's already been included, but somebody wants to be the hero. and then based that extreme on this is how the system works. we, we do have, especially in the states, we do have a education. so we have things that help all the offender, why they're in their state. and then we also have things that prepare them for re entry, so we have models on education, social services, a mental health,

religion. you know, we chaplaincy programs. i mean i drug treatment programs are the other thing is also is that we could provide it. but you have to, you know, get them to want to take it. so make a change of changes natural. i'll give you an example we, there's places where they have sex, offender treatment, you know, and before we're able to address their treatment, they must admit that what they have done was wrong. so we know that the change is sincere and not just something that you're selling us. so once you get released you, you would still be willing to take um, some programs cuz they feel if they take the program, it couldn't make that they're wrong. and right now that could be going through an appeal, so they don't want to say, well, i'm going to go ahead and take this program. but then if i take this program, i'm fucking saying i'm not guilty. so now if i do this program, people are going to think i'm guilty, or some people say, well, you know,

if i do take this program it's, it's going to get me out sooner. well, the problem is that the, the, that incentive also doesn't work because you're not taking it for the right reasons . so it's a filtering process. it's making sure that not only do you have the programs to provide, but people are taking it for the right reasons. and not for anything external more from helping someone from the inside out. but in my experience, in my 20 years i've seen that work up from a civilian staff and those that look to help to rehabilitate and re entry back into society. and i know the effort behind it, but sometimes i'm all the time because a good percentage of inmates will put the effort, do the right thing and leave and never come back. but there are some where it's like just talking to a brick wall and we could only do so much before we have to start saying, you know what? we're spending too much energy on this one. when i got 20 others ready to turn over . so we have to start getting to the 20 and the end, but connie's from the civilian side. i'm sure she'll have a lot of insight on that as well to. yeah, so i mean, i think that, you know,

when we think about incarceration in america, we know that there is definitely a very high rate of incarceration. and i think that sometimes people assume the worst, right. you know, it's the assumption and everyone's being mistreated or mishandled. and the system is based on the inmates getting services and they do get their 8th amended right. 8th amendment, right, always respected, right? so they, they are entitled to be, if they are in custody, not at, in any way, shape or form of receiving any crew or unusual punishment. and so from a civilian perspective, that means if an inmate has a toothache, right, we don't let the, the individual sit with the toothache all day or all week, right? like, are there services that we're always trying to provide? of course, medical, mental health dental. we provide them with meals, we provide them with programming. there are many instances where you have staff who

are going above and beyond to ensure that the population has access to things that they need in order to successfully transition back into the community. i think that or the good news stories are usually not the ones that make the front page. and so we end up basing our, our opinions on what we do see, right. and what we usually see are the negative things that are happening. and you know, it's kind of like, how do we say, oh, you know, that was just, you know, a bad one, right? but a lot of instances that is it, right this, this is something that happens in this situation under these circumstances. and we can't use that broad stroke brush to say this is how everyone treats all offenders in these facilities. when we in fact have people who are really passionate about the work they do. you have like a, i want, if i can. so if you look at what's in the policy for the systems,

you'll see that the system has a high level of expectation in regards to what must be met, especially related to the offenders care and wellbeing. now having said that, we have people that fail to meet those expectations. yes, but that is that what, how the system should be defined? know those people should be held accountable because you are going to find people that don't do what's expected of them and people are quick to say, well, you know what? because gains, you didn't do it that way. the whole criminal justice system is brokers don't guarantee messed up guarantee was not doing what's expected. so therefore the system is still working just gauge. you've got to be held accountable that what we've done weekly is how these extremes are used them to generally define the system, but then remove accountability from it. so again, g a is, is not accountable because ganges just representing the system that expects, that i will come around and say no guarantee is accountable, because there's nothing in the system that told them to deny the inmate of these

services. i, i level connie said, i ever seen an inmate sitting in pain when you have the facility that's operate in the way it should be operating on those expectations. no, because i have seen a scrambling on the other side of that liability. making sure that we don't on our torch, and i didn't, we do, i get back in a proper care. and i haven't said that that still requires strict oversight because of work came out that we had to do make sitting in pain. and he did everything to get cooled down to medical and we just decided not to do it. people are going to lose jobs, at least by the standards that i've operated on. they're gonna have to have a major excuse as to why that inmate was not brought to medical and why he was not treated as such. thank you so much. anthony and connie, but please stick around. of our experts will be joining us here after the break. and when we come back, we will analyze the cost of us and european craft that correctional practices. we'll have more after the break

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european correctional philosophies differ drastically. the prime justification for incarceration over probation or community service for your pin is to enabled prisoners to lead a productive crime free life upon release. the main objective of removing the offender is to maintain the community safety by rehabilitating and effectively re integrating and re educating the inmates before releasing them. are report found that european countries direct more effort into social reintegration than punishment and practices in germany and the netherlands allowed for inmates to prepare for release, ready to face the world as a productive citizen. during the time they're serving their sentences, their granted privacy and are educated to use conflict resolution skills. this is very different from american ex prisoners that continue to be punished after re entry european inmates are able to reclaim their societal freedom and rights. but

in contrast, american ex cause are confronted with losing the right to vote and difficulties a penny, employment, housing, and public assistance, all of which increase the likelihood of returning back to a life of crime. the china also has a unique feature with the re education through labor or system of special administrative detentions sentences under re education through labor were issued as a form of administrative punishment rather than according to criminal law. meanwhile, spending on prisons in england and wales is higher than in any other european country except for russia. in 2019, the total budget was $3400000000.00 pounds, which is considerably higher than neighboring countries like germany, a $3000000000.00 pounds and france at $2500000000.00 pounds. now the u. k as a whole, has a 3rd largest prison population in europe at 91870. after only russia

at 519000 turkey at 297000. the u. k also is pushing to introduce longer prison sentences and change release provisions to keep some inmates and present for longer statistics show that the average present sentence in england is currently the longest. it has been for a decade, standing at 19 months with every country having a specific correctional philosophy. would it be challenging to come up with a global we have the trading criminal program other than a present for the answer on this and more we welcome once again, anthony gang, a prison manager, an author of inmate manipulation, decoded, and connie alley in prison, educational consultant, so now what is the most common present charge globally? so usually most crimes underneath there's gonna be some level of drug use and not all of them. but there's a good portion wherever you really get to this. uh,

you know, dig deep. uh, kind of the bottom of the iceberg, you're gonna find that there could have been some influence with some drugs or alcohol maybe so obviously a lot of our facilities are definitely going to have some type of an a, a, a. i wouldn't go as far as having gambling numbness or are section set synonymous. so you're looking at behaviors that are compulsive by nature, where they're motivated, more by that impulse than reasoning. but i would say for me, drug use could be one, but mine who drug use is not always a victim. was crime because it can escalate, depend on their want for that drug. so i know some people think, well, the only hurting themselves, and that's not always the case because once that drug addiction becomes so overwhelming that that drug becomes a priority. they will sell their children to get that drum. i'm just, it is what it is. so i would say the underneath tone would always be some level of drug use in which it could have led to, um, you know, whatever crime it could be. yeah. yeah. cuz i think that's where it is sort of

spins out, right. so it's, it's the drug use or a drug related crime. and then there's robbery, there's weapons charges that usually come along with that. there's often times coupled with, like in a salt charge and then you know, as those things start to spiral, then you end up with homicides and such. so if i had to sort of just take an educated guess on that one, i would say typically some sort of drug possession, drug and use is usually involved. and then it just begins to spiral from there. and do you think prisoners are exploited for labor or are they working for a reduced prison sentence or good behavior, which makes it an equitable trade? all right, so, so yeah, so let's, let's so, so prisons are very self sustaining. obviously we all know that, right? so some states do pay the inmate population

a certain amount. it's not what you're going to find on the streets. it's gonna probably be very cheap labor, all but then again, there's also cost that they're also paying for the inmate to reside there. don't forget, you know, i mean, they may only get paid certain amount, but they're also getting medical for free program. it's a free food for free. uh, you know, whatever living arrangements on, by the way, another side, no lives people that go to the jail system have never even had care for medical or never even seen by mental health. a lot of the time.