is the bill because i dos in your lease. i don't, there's no excuse to aggravate situation of the book. this was in the interest of us. i mean it's the hello and welcome and peter lavelle. nato failed not kept. in fact, the meal with the cabin tomato. this is as an after thought inflicting as always in the plan, the thought team, the nato summit, i'm joined by monday. he is director of the swedish independent and future research in columbus. we elliptical activists as well as hosts on the radio and here in moscow and journalists, all right, cross talk real 1st. there's so much we can sell didn't build this, it was built. 4 was a bossed ok if i'm it, not that ukraine made it is that can all,

but that's all if it did not discuss peace, pretty security for all the in the vocabulary of nato's because i, i wrote a book about all the documents, there's no consent to terms or deterrence and defend me or whose opponent or we're just, china is punch it and it's combination of others. and this is not that it's not a defensive. unable definition of that word. this is to stay in business, actually the same questionnaire because there's no chance whatsoever of making it into nato at this point. or at any point, i think science once said that about afghanistan, the goal is unless we're not a successful, we're in front of ukraine in order to justify the continuation of using you creating a body or shift in care of goes along with it it's. it's really extraordinary good for these people, mike, let me go to you. i mean, when do we, we, they talk on my friend, they are farther away from getting into nato, then they weren't there for the way. then they absolutely the right. he echoed the us in the middle of a conflict that will, you know,

this was never consent to it because the p a has been over completely excluded for say, when the allies agree times they've been divided over success, the bottoms. now divide the, the key, you only need to do a very quick vitamins for nato membership fits. there is no checklist for membership minimum. there are 5 following were including tolerating die event been existing in the ukraine for 2014. so no, you can, the us is own sort of requirements as a lease the product, no arms and rules based order, which does not apply to ukraine when the war to become eligible to be a member. figure it out. i think the law duty is that if the war is agencies fire or anything else, reason level, then of course they knew mine wouldn't be able to win over russia. i think the assumption is that in various ways in you'd have an independent state. yeah. you anything about security in the us on bassett or attempted but was an investor the u

. s. and you are a have more which is against the problem is, is very clearly given to go by job. but you saw me, you have bite and the sitting saying basically the same words did in 2008, which was it, letting me po, tens, very concerned. so flock. yeah, mistake they, they, the censorship, it's going to put you on is absolutely work. there's been a huge debate or a go in 5 months. you can saw a lot of trouble for i was la on ukraine, so that it's really quite interesting is what, not the last 16 months. all they speak about missing this is that here here in columbus, go ahead ship industrial complex that has been completely out of very towing. i think any time that you're not allowed to ins. and i think that that's something that they have a very strong and very effective, i think, along with whatever line that they're selling to from the jump. i think a lot of people started to question it through censorship. like with yourself banning. and that kind of thing, but i do think a lot of people are questioning this narrative a level what needs to sort of a situations arise. and i think that that's what we're seeing now. and i hope that of yeah, mike, you know, the, i could sat equally. are you free?

okay, why does it need to join in the lot? i guess also if you can praise russia, i mean i, i don't, i don't understand the logic of any of this here, but i, when cause those goal pace, keep changing. i think biting and his lot when you have restore the territorial integrity and this has been sorting about a lot, then it doesn't maintain his integrity that for it kind of be a positive nate. so it'd be obviously right. they never make sense. and let's just so, so remember how present x essential security risk and the rest the media loss to him freshman up to the north. and then we have this talk of the crate and then suddenly know you've actually justified his exact can so stressed it to go, which has a margaret fletcher being one of them from the u. k. what is the future of nato? it's had a brick wall with the curriculum, click there now young. and i think what they are doing now expand that into what they called pop those. and now i think so. um, you know, they are thinking now planning to set up in an actual office in the day is not in accordance with is found being treat yugoslavia 99. absolutely,

absolutely. it's that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on the data. so i'm gonna stay with our members aside as x one ending in the 6595. and then in the european union, the kremlin media initially all the band on youtube, the national yes. or below the shooting gym or something for most of the them. yeah. also

the nice window jumps the welcome back across stock were the okay right before we went to the break i was talking with, ya know, no, i just said, but yeah, 99. it has. i've done things that letter, of course, very un charlton based trade davis, the a's on to code 5 about the father inside the girl, a piece research tomorrow. and i would suggest independent international commission, but as who would look into how finding treaty about the future it wants to go global because it's running out of members in europe. it simply has to be stopped by public entry. is that well, well, i think nato is days or a number of times it's dropping to speed. so missy, i don't, i don't want to get too legalistic or anything like that. everyone should read the article one of the treaty very complex using force. its members must use diplomacy

and negotiate with the they are in complete violation of their own country because it's a curious to me that they don't ever actually follow that nato. i think that nato has it's, it's long overdue for it to have been abolished. does if you may be correct. i think that you, they are going to suffer a very strategic action for nato. and i think that that is something that they are trying to contend with now around in this situation and make it uh, you know, it and, and kind of save face and the balance. there's no way for them to back out thing that they're continue, can content figure out how they can make that play. uh yeah. what's the box that play out actually missing for the met? shouldn't even say it because i know noise pulling didn't make it to parents. we was in the i q of these people. that's exactly, you know, again they were talking about the conditions when conditions are in. yes, they're still around making the guarantees as well. i get with security, i thought they weren't economic or again, this is another fiction. you know how to waste more money might yeah, yeah,

with these economic members and such things. so it baffled me when more i, if we don't get nato ma'am, but we know that everything's been in regards to that all the secure countries committing to the proxy to ben wallace saying, oh, we don't want to have the same people of it directly at them. so that happy that's a russian soldiers, but they don't want to read and understand is probably again where they are there on the back and lots about how that's it. that's the economic side. as far as i can tell, cluster bombs, i mean, like all of this nonsense, they like to talk a russian rush. it doesn't start follows, but it's going to follow this one on modern militarism problems fairly well. that means whatever you're trying to do money then finally, the warranty itself will buy weapons. i think actually we have us back in the direction that piece comes with these fire negotiations. you, when the ation, etc, is it may, we don't meet minute tourism in this 12 times more military expenditures and waste money. but solve the problems. do we, you know, the different cultures,

different political items address a need for the u. s. outcome of period for you that would become, you know, trades in the future. well, no, we're not 50 on this desperation, and it cost about the $2.00 interviews across the bombs and you. yeah, well miss, see with the i'm a glass for ration and that's view other things as well. i mean, it's a what we have here and so you question 10 in brussels, give a hoot about you create, want to give them as much weapon reading the same miss. yes. spiration was use because that is exactly what that into a corner and you're absolutely right. country and i'm supposed to believe that they care about and so we're happy to use them as candidate we will fight. so the last ukrainian uh, well, i mean that is a, that's a good crane are going to start to find that quite despicable. i find that the speck against russia is really despicable for they're starting to lose the narrative here. i think that there's for sure an act of desperation that be government to your don't care about their own ma'am, nodded their heads in a people with you as well. oh, my gander. war there's being fought, etc. i think they were a little surprised with the guys, you know, he's a,

i've done everything else. they make it down the altar. oh, for us. okay. go ahead. mike and even lensky was smacked by again. ben wallace saying, well, you create the same thing to, you know, less than 47 times and it wasn't so tragic this talk about yeah, fights and to the last you credit in a statistic that i came across the fence of those people killed by cost effective on the battlefield, they are not suitable for the battle field. these remember we have the 2024 elections. i think the lights have jake so i'm going to 2020 full and try and get another democrat in the white house. sacrificed full for what us paula take 1st for what it states it's never explained yet. and i'm glad that mike brought up. i'm talking about corruption. i really worry that these costs are about to the various forces. yeah. well that's the reason i say can be, i mean, you talked about the split sand when you're 90, most opinion about that. like a lot of other issue. maybe we shouldn't be so surprised because if you look at all

the wars has a drawl. so why do we be surprised that if you create a k o 3 is that the we need some leadership in the western world that the behavior and work. ready as the main kind of 30 years ago pulled down later because it was a part of the original data. today of the lines is only one thing and one we're out of days. it may have been useful early. i don't know, but it's not useful. and, and here in moscow, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at the image. you used to work most of the way. and then those set up on the notes on how to use the windows and both as well as those are when would you be to see the

the 14 me to to know me devastates the focus. fema nuclear re id here. so anytime in june or is living in japan, and this nice to go to the area of the some of the people to and i think this is fact cation, stats watch on the r t comes under fire by ukrainian shelly while vacant advances on the battle ground frames and bass that are to the u. k.