against venezuela seized pluck, brussels hasn't exactly been in the habit of standing up against washington's agenda, but it seems like lots in america wants to see proof of some kind of backbone that isn't just a trojan horse for washington's interest. and brussels has been trying for years now to see a trade deal with a lot in american region. but it's all foreigners are pretty livid about that potential, particularly when it comes to be from latin america. and it's potential to depress the prices of e u. farmers own supply, which really seems to be one of the use big specializations these days. they did pretty much the same thing when they flooded eastern europe with you printing grain from the black sea grain deal. now the use seems to lack of vision beyond whatever washington puts in front of them at any given time and for all of latin america's efforts here. well, that really doesn't seem likely change anytime. just love to take this conversation further, let's do it. closing live out of georgia is on the what? 8 areas right there, a senior research fellow with the global policy institute,

joining us in budapest, just about 10 past 7 in the evening where you all enjoyed the pleasure to have you on the program. thanks very much. for coming to you and you know, i've been following this story for quite a while now, if i'm not mistaken, it goes back more than a month or so. latin american countries weren't happy with the language of the declaration of the brochure of this that you use fedex. some of it happening in brussels, a, apparently they, they weren't happy with this um, the condemnation of russia. but now, if i'm not mistaken, georgia now, and you can see the top for me. now, as i understand the members of the latin american states, a tentative assembly, they have more or less toned. and now they are agreeing to content. russia is that, is that how i'm reading a and i don't think that's quite the case. um, i think that they're willing to issue some kind of a statement about russia and ukraine. but the thrust of the statement that they is insist on what should be on the desirability of peace and that the goal should be

uh, the final piece that i, i don't think at the moment they have agreed to any language that condemns rusher. i think it's just simply that this is the terrible thing and that the, you know, these must be the objective. so what's, what, what was going on with nick a racket was position and this design is done. nicaragua. what, what was the main phone in the side all of brussels here were meant maybe that's the wrong uses or would say but, but essentially, nicaragua was the one that stayed on the sidelines. is that right? when the garage door has been the strongest um in, uh, refusing to go along with the e u uh, dm on for a statement on russia, ukraine, nicaragua has, of course, had very good relations with russia. but it's not, it wasn't just nicaragua too. but, and then as well as well, also reluctant to join in this statement. and let's keep in mind all 3 states have been subjected to sanctions. uh, you know,

a home invasions regime change operations by the united states over the past few decades. and they have pointed that during this time they didn't hear anything from your, of your network of them the, what the united states was doing. i remember they will, the united states was waging a war against nicaragua as a war, as so nicely. so savage, that the international court of justice issued a ruling declaring what the united states was doing, guys in the garage was illegal. then of course, you know about the blockades against cuba, the attempts to overthrow castro they to get in with them for decade. and then we've had several qu, attempts against um, chavez and the doors of these 3 states. i really feel very strongly about the idea that now they being rogue tends to condemn russia over ukraine. particularly as

a restaurant has been a good friend to all 3 states. yeah, you know, honestly, georgia read some really, really good points there and, and, and i guess it so many people it for, for golfing about what is a very sorted history of sudden interventions, an incognito, operations, clandestine operations, and so in western partners have carried out as you said for decades across latin america of georgia. well, what about, i mean, look now lot in america, in carbon states, they're getting involved in this now that they're talking to process that having this summit here, you know, as you say, that's the angling piece that essentially a po as to the continued pumping of weapons in the key of is it at all possible that then i hate to sound like this, but, but does latin america and the caribbean, do they carry enough weight to actually make washington and kia, perhaps think about some sort of peaceful resolution? you know, unfortunately not the united states calls the shots with nato. that means united states calls the shots in europe. ukraine listens exclusively to the united states because your brain is a wholly owned subsidiary,

all over the united states. and unfortunately, uh see like, has no sway here, whatsoever was the european states themselves have no say in this either. i mean, there are a number of countries in europe would love to see this war come to an end, but they don't really have any say on the matter if it goes to the united states, wants to keep this ball going for the, for the americans. it's good business, i mean, all of us and i making a lot of money and they getting this strategic objective lab, bleeding rock strip. so there's no reasonable americans to stop. and unfortunately them and many europeans, particularly those of victor, or by him who say, well we, we one piece, but hey, you know, he doesn't have any sway in the massive ways. basically presenting on ground here and are right, remain. so when it comes to prostate, he started off and going against the policy all the big tattle, the narrative of brussels. this in george, i've got no time, but i'm begging for a bit more. here i go to ask you one more. i maybe i'm way off and maybe i'm way

off, but like you've got the, you kind of, um, cool thing. these latin american countries with the, with the you see like summit. and you know, there's a big, quite a big list of countries that are being courted, so to speak. and, and yet at a time with the multi pony world, you know, the bricks, the a, c o, b i see on may be down the road. they'll even move to something that might be come indistinguishable from from themselves. my point being is this a, is this the you trying to get onto the whole multiple multi po to train this basically leaving the station by trying to call these latin american countries, or at least maybe hold them back from getting so involved in this new multi polar environment of willie, you may well be trying to do this, but unfortunately the e u has given away its independence. and so rented to a long time ago, you had to shop up to the end of the cold war to call about a separate identity in a separate geopolitical entity from the united states. it failed to do that and he's now much more subordinate uh, the supplicant. of the united states and he never was during the cold war. so now

the united states doesn't even bother to think about what is paris think or what is the insane. ready what does rooms think? united so it just goes to show that these, these, these countries now carrying low weight a total in the west. so the you may dream of, uh, getting in on the multi polarity and but yeah, that very much bought all one pole. and that boat was run by washington. and so a straight shooting from george w. l. e, a senior research fellow with the global policy institute. appreciate your time. thanks for joining us. thank you very much, larry. now they are, you sound like the way that latin american leaders was not the only major international event in recent days to fail to reach a consensus, a gathering the beacon on the policy makers from the group of 20 top economies ended without assuming a joint statement as sources have confirmed to us here at all, and see that the reason for that was a deviation of opinions about the ukraine conflict. as the host nation, india apparently refused to cave into what's called western pressure to denounce

it's key trading part minute. that whole, the russian federation of the russia, ukraine war is not our creation or that of developing or emerging countries. it is not a priority for us. india is priorities or development issues, growth more financing for multilateral institutions, technological transformations, and supporting the un sustainable development goals. suassa on fortune is that ukraine has been almost sticking points. now. india has seen it's your loan g, 20 presidency. not only is in dallas moment in the sun, a box as to south moment of the sun, and what is happening is that the west is insistent that shall be condemned to green. and of course that is become a sticking points. now this is something so happened this time in the finance ministers, me the i, the foreman is to meet as well, which is held in new jersey several weeks ago. i'm the forced finance needs as well

. no joint communicate a. what does that really mean? is that india has come up with a chest statement, but the issue with the india has wanted to keep its focus on. for example. oh, as we talking about the finance minister we've india has time and again pushed ports, twin single fall global economic golf architecture to fox, somebody deals and wanted to keep the focus on multi lot to buying something. also that the restriction, as well as the other important issues like adobe principles for all put to questions these for example, and all of those issues and getting washed away as the west wants to have. it's week the want to condemn rochelle for the also the more in you reading a false washer on china, how formed the boxing that'd be, we want to sign the documents, which mentions the. it's all like huge disappointment offering the icons to doing

much, much as being talked about by india goals as a mediator, as a balancing force. and this is going to become more and more challenging to the one off fall for the g 20 summit, which india will be hosting in september to bullying factors will be posting, well needles, all this block and i'll for india, it is exceedingly voltage so that so the issues remain on watch easily picking the total south, for example, the full energy fuel prices. or do you remember india speech for the african union to be included in the g 20 o which includes around $55.00 funky so really those were important to see wells for india. india being very vi tell from the very beginning the ukraine is not an important factor is not an important point for india

else presidency. but of course, the west being consistent. there are a marring india as geo political vision. so to see in that sense and it's what's the pointing out that these challenges now are only going to amplified to the one off to the final g 20 summit which will take place in new day. on the 9th and 10th september, the low south africa has a dispelled global, the speculation about whether the russian president would be arrested if the attendance next month. the summit that a serial around the photo has set the taking of that improvement into custody to fulfilled an international warrant issued by the hague, is not in his country's best interest. russia has made it clear that arresting that, sitting president, would be a declaration of war. it would be inconsistent with our constitution to risk engaging in war with russia. think we'd better learn more about this with our jackie, sean, do an independent list. now,

joining us here from south africa are great to have you on the program. and jackie, what a story this is, i mean, the looming stomach, just around the corner of the international criminal court in the hague, is doing a criminal. the arrest warrant for vladimir putin rama folks are saying that south africa would not arrest the russian lead up at a time when america has made a pretty clear jockey. that if a southern african nations get on the wrong side of washington, they will face sanctions. why do you think i'm a poster has taken what appears to be quite a fun position as well? first and foremost, thanks for letting me and bleeding to the fewest. i think of the most important message to not just america, but to the you and the natal from the subject of the president. is that so i forgot. is that southern states? uh, and it has all the rights to come out to define its own

foreign policy. it's not a proxy also, cedric of need, the america no, the you and the president just the way that's the decisions that he is here to states cabinets made must be primarily informed by the interest certificate and the guy, the huge interest in maintaining a fairly well and productive and mutually respectful relationship with the russian for the nation with jack, is that why is that? why then it is the basis? i think you make a really key point. you talk about this key relationship between south africa and russia. it goes back decades, as you say, back to the soviet union here is that why certain western professional partners trying to kind of stick a spiner in the spokes of the will that why read about this friendship, even nurturing between russia in south africa?

that's why they kind of want to say, hey, run the post that you go to arrest the russian president. you're going to do something about this right as well. i mean, it's also remember that some free car is uh, an economy to try it on the continent and to helps with africa. enjoy such a cold. yeah. and in one relationship with russia definitely has had any effect on how the neighboring countries or even the sub continent of assessing the use and approaches the russia, ukraine conflicts. i think that also these western propagandist, to be aware that any step in the move taken by suffolk is definitely going to be looked at and photo to pull a by a lot of countries, especially in the region. but that's who i'm supposed to get to. that's uh,

sort of the case also pop offense, a very strategic economic diplomatic political alliance in the form of breaks which includes action button, but at the end and china. and even through that sort of a framework, a many oxygen countries are expressed as a huge interest and decide to come as close as possible, if not to do the full membership of critics. so in a sense you, in a minute i can see the world was being pulled from beneath the feet in terms of the phone. he couldn't make their own interests on the continent. yeah, yeah. i think you make an amazing point. it's an amazing point, jackie, i do apologize for jumping in, but i think you make some extremely good points. and now, when it comes to russia being and breaks africa, south africa being and breaks and upwards of 30,

if not 40 more countries want to join bricks, talk about strength and numbers, a challenging, what is the basis actually being a, a uni potent hedge. i'm on now going back decades, just briefly, jackie, just before that you go just very, very quickly here. 20 years ago, the bush administration in washington bush, they'll be a junior when they invaded iraq, 2003. also, the international criminal court in the hague was like, you can't do this, you mustn't invite this different country on the bush administration. last, they love the i c. c. a said, you know, we don't even a signatory to you guys to get to step in. but now he's less than guys saying, hey, you will go to respect. well the, i see, see, so you've got to go into risk fruits. and why do you think this is discrepancy that? well, it wasn't just the icy see, even the united nations general assembly said, uh that way, no reasons, compelling reasons for justification for america to in face the rock at the time.

and i remember the key that president bush street say when it comes to securing or defending american interest. we don't need anybody's permission at their by define in the contempt of some and not just the i c, c a but the work up and sporty to which a medication member, which is the united nations. so this is the, the hypocrisy and the double standards that eh, have seen for the longest time. that is why people like obama, people like, uh, the full, uh, uh, the, the pre k. last you lucky, free. we know low crime that they have not to be uh, actually prosecuted for those charges are not even being formulated and keeping to them and from the form of the see. yeah, it's like, it's like real. it's like rules of for everybody else. you know, you've got the circled rules based international audit, jackie, but it,

but it's almost like you know, do what i say. and what i do is jackie sean, do independent outlets to joining us live from donovan. great to see your hope to see you again. thanks a let's see. so got this a us congressman in charge of oversight has revealed the federal investigators were effectively told to sit tight when they sought to interview the president's son fund abide in this part of a corruption inquiry. of course, they never got that chance. on the day of the 100 by the an interview, federal agents were told to stand by and could not approach 100 bite and they had to wait for his call as a result of the change in plans iris. and that the criminal investigators never got to interview 100 biden, as part of the investigation. just have to learn more about this right now. question a lot about the audience, rachel black ones who are standing by for us in the united states. rachel, i mean, maybe i'm getting ahead of myself here, but who don't to put the cart before the horse, but what do you make of the watkins potentially being circled around the

president's son hunter by and i mean is, i mean basically, he's always been in a sense as many say very protected, some i'd say. so that's right, and it seems like the more we learned about 100 right in the more we find that he has a different set of rules and the rest of us. so the latest revolution comes from the house oversight committee there giving new insight into that federal investigation into 100 biden, which includes the revelation that the president's son escaped in interview with the f. b i back in december 2020. that's according to the testimony of a former f b i agent, which backs up the claims made by an iris whistle blower. as a reminder, hunter has been the subject of a 5 year long investigation by the us government that has resulted in plans for a plea deal where she is expected to plead guilty to to mister meaner charges of tax evasion. and one felony charge of lying about his drug use on a federal form when purchasing a firearm back in 2018. but it appears that plans through interview 100 directly

went astray just one month after the 2020 election. the former f. b. i agent quoted by congress says that the secret service and president jo biden's, transition team were given a heads up and as a result the f. b, i was told not to approach hunter, but to wait for his call instead. now, of course, when it comes to joe biden, he is claims that he wasn't aware of his son's business dealings. but the house oversight committee also released a timeline in which they say there's a bite in family and their associates created more than 20 companies and received more than $10000000.00 from foreign nationals after joe biden became vice president . now, republicans in congress have pledge to continue to investigate the bible families business dealings. and as for hunter himself, he is doing court next week where he is expected to make that plea, deal official. yeah. what about the by the blow, rachel?

what about that good old by go below that, nobody's talking about anymore. and they found in the white house around the time of july for the celebration domain. look, you know, look the see idea for yeah, i can trace the fingerprints of a mosquito. the conte trace is by them below. ah, anyway, ah sees rachel evans. thanks. see you soon. i a thank you. hi, thanks for joining us for audience national. this program la from moscow as always, just about half past 8 pm local times. thanks for joining us with the

own needs to come to the russian states. never as tired as i'm one of the most sense community best english i'll send send up the same assistance to father speed. the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck, keeping our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the agent said this was for what question did you

say a request, which is the just days before the launch of the special ministry operation, the communist party issued a code for united anti, fascist from against the nato lead notification of ukraine. can you explain why the policy issued subject for them? what kind of response you got my purse or from with you know, the pressure on the question about what's happening in dumbass cannot be limited to the scope of the military operation that was launched in february 2022. or this

question is about what has been happening here and what calls have been made here for the past 9 years since 2014 the left wing forces and the communist party. above all has been vocal about the events that have shaken the entire world. and i'm not afraid to say it here. couple of the read just to abuse in the power in the world began in 2014 in done bass. what i'm not going back too far in history and so, so i'm not talking about 1991 or 1917. those are distant events here, but 2014 marks a new era in the history of humanity. no more and no less. so when the communist party of the russian federation or any other communist party makes a statement about the events here, we don't consider it anything new is just the right thing to do. and by 2022, before the special military operation began, done, bass became

a place filled with the most extreme. and you could say aggressive forces of global imperialism. and capitalism are represented by ukrainian nationalism and fascism. and it is certainly the place of the communist party to call for putting an end to fascism on our soil. especially since our land and people know i'm old to well what fascism is and how to fight it. so i believe that the coal made by the communist party in 2022. prior to this special military operation was a normal reaction and response of any party in this historical context. and even more so of the communist party. and we had to put an end to fascism. the special ministry operation has exposed some divisions within the communist move and internationally. so the greek communist party, for example,

characterizes ukraine conflict as a war between the 2, impaired with his powers. and the company's policy of britain has gone to great lengths to oppose worth it describes as pollutants more. how do you respond to that? and how does the communist paul t of the russian federation see the special minute t opperation allows me, i mean you can, we see just the front of 2 divisions within the communist movement are certainly nothing new to us. we are aware of the view point supported by the communists of greece eastern. i'd like to give a historical example before and during world war one, both the communist movement of that time and the social democratic movement. we're quite divided on how the social democratic forces should act during the re distribution of power in the world. world war one was about to read distribution of

power. so there were also questions asked during world war 2, we know that in most countries of the world coming astute against fascism unapproved. and by that time the ussr was already quite powerful. and the communist international already existed and was big. and the old new, their goal was to fight to fascism today. some communist parties believe that under the current circumstances as they see it, the ongoing war is between major capitalist powers. and so the communists should not interfere more. but what we see in reality is that communists are no longer defining politics in many countries of the world. so it is one thing when some of them might think they shouldn't interfere. but when we find ourselves right in the sake of this fight for that gives us an entirely different perspective. i believe that we're fighting fascism today. fascism being the most advanced and most deadly

if you will, weapon of the financial oligarchy. somewhere in your b. dimitra rose gave an excellent definition of fascism back in 1933 at the leipzig fired trial before. so we understand that we must fight fascism. what comes next and we'll figure it out for each of our states internally. but today we need to liberate the world from fascism. i don't know how so, while greeks are entitled to their opinion, since we have ours, have then uh, recently hosted an international summit of communist parties. and the communists of the former soviet union were represented there by culture, a single named co, the 1st secretary of the communist party of ukraine. he represented the communist parties of all post soviet states 1st. and as far as i recall, probably $36.00 communist parties supported our position and said that we are on the right track and they support our fights against fascism. the young people were

moving in britain because organized rallies and protests around the slogan. russian troops out spot. what would that mean in reality for the people of don't boss, particularly when thousands of ukrainian soldiers economy gathered on the border for a counter offensive, national massage, or lenient, commercial massage related to our deepest regret, all the western propaganda, including broadcast and prints, medium, are providing a one sided accounts of the events in don't pass a couple of it, but i often get to meet international reporters here and, and other places. and they all tell me the news coverage and britain, america and europe is one sided. they give a one sided account of events. poor 10 innovated ukraine. he sent troops to crane he occupied ukraine, show. that is their only narrative. and i understand why different movements including the one in britain that you mentioned do what they do is they consume

this one sided narrative. and they say things based on what they see and hear on radio and television every day. and you are more than that. they also say things that they have been asked to say, and i would like to give another example of the opposite kind of back in 2014. when we started our resistance, the many people came here from all over the world, from america, britain, israel and columbia. germany, spain, and many other countries. they came here to fight fascism shipping them. of those were mostly left wing activists who saw our fight almost as a socialist revolution. there are many of them have stayed until today. and i've seen the other side of the us, but on british trade unions are victims of western propaganda. and certainly no one is going to withdraw our troops from our territory just because some trade unions or some other forces.