venezuela, to demand that the sanctions ceased that the blockade see so that the aggression against venezuela ceased plug. brussels hasn't exactly been in the habit of standing up against washington's agenda, but it seems like lots in america wants to see proof of some kind of backbone that isn't just a trojan horse for washington's interest. and brussels has been trying for years now to see a trade deal with the latin american region, but its own farmers are pretty livid about that potential, particularly when it comes to beef from latin america. and it's potential to depress the prices of e u. farmer's own supply, which really seems to be one of the use big specializations these days. they did pretty much the same thing when they flooded eastern europe with ukrainian grain from the black sea grain deal. now the even seems to lack of vision beyond whatever washington puts in front of them at any given time and for all of latin america's efforts here. well, that really doesn't seem likely to change anytime soon. we can definitely take this further on ology, international barriers, right?

that political and this, or i'm on the very best joining us here on, on the international a very well and welcome to you. so what a story, this is grandma and i mean, you know, we've been close the following this very closely now, roughly a month ago, latin american countries invited to this e u summit. they openly said they didn't like the nc russia dialogue of the language and the summits, official communicate a voice that discontent. but now that i'm on, it seems most of them all uniting in some form of a joint declaration. but as i understand, it's not exactly what brussels is looking for, can, can you enlighten us? yes, i do. you have mentioned uh, the priorities of this summit are the wrong ones. the language around the conflicts, the language around, they cannot make recovery. or even with proud of yesterday's or a greener plan and all these things seem very nice to the years. right. but they're very superficial. there are many other issues happening in latin america that this a lot countries have been calling for. one solve this have been called for

operations a little that has mentioned in the past, or similar things. and right now there's a very big price is going on in countries like echo door, where there's a mass exodus of migraines. crossing the border into the west through central america, or roo. similarly, has been announced that it's going to be a new take over the city of lima against the guards government. so we see this happening in apple though. we see this happening in peru. we see the issues happening in europe itself. but the summit is, is, is very keen on talking about things about the conflicts and superficial things that we don't know exactly who benefits. yeah. so it is interesting and you say that's what i'm on. i me, you kick off your statement basically saying that you think this uh, this you, you see that somebody is focusing on the wrong issues. and as you well know, the you remains determined and focused to send more cash and more weapons into the conference design. in ukraine and get news reports on media and report of the last in american countries of express support for the hung,

gary and positions that ukraine must engage in negotiations with russia to end the confident. what do you think of this grouping of latin american states? essentially saying that they support the hon gary and sign of this conflict. it is the correct position. it is the correct opinion for our latin american countries, right? we're getting nothing from a continuing conflict. the europe gains nothing from a continuum class conflict as well. so what are the latin american countries focused on? what are the needs of countries like katie right now, which isn't political promo, it's not too far, no more resources, more latin american be for latin american oil into countries that are continuing this conflict. but rather, as you have mentioned that henry stands is an idea of, uh, a position that is beneficial for everyone. right? all these countries right now they live in your opinion, are in the summit, while are people continue in the debt?

we cannot speak of what are we going to do to quit more sanctions on russia for ukraine, or vice versa. when there are people starving, hated people starving in ecuador, people that don't know where the next check is going to come from improve, and latin america has a different reality. and this is what the countries are used to live right now. and the countries are your opinion need to understand. there is a european vision, there isn't a north american vision about the world and whatever their, their reasons might be. the priorities of the people on the ground, other ones. so this one gallery, precision of finding a peaceful deal to end the conflict. it's the best deal for both ukrainian people, not the governor, right, the people and also for the russian people who at the end of the day are our neighbors, right. our brothers and sisters, and what we want is for peace and prosperity for russia, for europe, for that in america, for everybody addressing the needs of the people on the ground right now. there are election seasons in countries like guatemala,

is the left you season in ecuador is election season also in oregon. so you know, so a lot of these things are happening. are also based on political positions. right? impossible. next, president's impossible. next, legislators, when you should be, i about what the objective needs of the people are. there is nothing to live in america gains from sanctions. we have been a continent that has the sanctioned a lot by, you know, been as well, a ecuador, etc. and now what we want is for not only the european union, but for us and like to really come to talk about the real issues and solve this. talked about historical legacy and reparations. well, what about also the recent reparations that we need? who is accounted for the a norm is amount of money that the i m f gave to argentina in the former president monthly. we don't know what he did with the money who is accounted for was accountable for the vast amount of money that the i m f date to last. so in the,

in the model in the presidency of equity, right? so there are a deeper issues that i think the hungarian position really simplifies. and that is a piece bill that benefits everybody. you know as an equally, as you can be. of course the right in there is wrong. but as you do it, as you can be, because the needs of the people are very different from the needs or the interest of this hedge of minds of europe and north america. how this and interesting and allyson commentary right back with political analysts and i'm on invest. joining us here. i'm on the past. i do beg your pardon. thanks for joining us. we'll see you soon. but the you summit with latin american lead is not the only major international event or recent days. that is essentially, well, should we say it failed to reach a consensus, a gathering of even on my policy makers from gee 20 also ended without assuming a joint statement. as sources have confirmed quantity that the reason for that was a difference of opinions about the conflict in ukraine. along with that host nation,

india refused apparently to cave, into what many cold western pressure to denounce its key trading partner of the russian federation of the russia. ukraine. war is not our creation or that of developing or emerging countries. it is not a priority for us. india is priorities or development issues, growth more financing for multilateral institutions, technological transformations, and supporting the un sustainable development goals rather on fortune is that ukraine has been almost sticking points. now india has seen it's your loan g, 20 presidency. not only is in dallas moment in the sun, a box as opposed to south moment to the sun. and what is happening is that the west is insistent that shall be condemned to the green. and of course that is become a sticking points. now this is something so happened this time in the finance ministers, me the i, the foreman is to meet as well,

which is held in new jersey several weeks ago. i'm the forced finance minister meet as well. no joint communicate a what does that really mean is that india has come up with a chest statement, but the issue with the india has wanted to keep its focus on. for example, oh, as we talking about the finance minister we've seen dea has time. and again, pushed ports twin single fall global economic got architecture 5, somebody in deals and wanted to keep the focus on the lab to buying something. also that the restriction as well as the other important issues like adobe principles for all good to currencies, for example. and all those issues and getting wash, do we have the west wants to habits? we the want to condemn rochelle for the also the more in you create of costs the washer on china. how formed the boxing? that'd be, we want to sign the documents, which mentions the it's all

a huge disappointment offering the outcomes of doing much, much as being talked about, buying deals, goals as a mediator, as a balancing force. and this is going to become more and more challenging to the one off fall for the g 20 summit, which india will be hosting in september of the symbol. the, in fact this would be posting, well needles, all this block and i'll for india, it is exceedingly voltage so that, so the issues remain on watch is really taking the total south, for example, the energy fuel prices. or do you remember india speech for the african union to be included in the g 20 o which includes they're all $55.00 funky. so really those were important to see well, school, india, india being very, very tell from the very beginning that green is not an important factor is not

an important point for india else presidency. but of course the west being consistent. there are a marring india as do a particular vision, so to see in that sense and it's what's the pointing out that these challenges now are only going to amplified to the one up to the final g 20 summit which will take place in new day on the 9th and 10th september. what some intriguing story is that south africa has a dispelled speculation about whether the russian president would be arrested if he attends next month summit, the a serial. and i'm a photo. who said that the taking a lot of improvement. the custody to fulfill and international warrant issued by the hague is not in his country's best interest. it would be a reckless, unconstitutional, and unlawful exercise of the powers conferred upon the government to declare war with russia by arresting president putin. i have constitutional obligations to

protect the national sovereignty. peace and security of the republic, the international criminal court in the hague issue with the arrest warrant out of this. yeah. obligating. any member state to detain vladimir food and if he would step foot on that territory. i was discussing this with independent list of jack ashanda. it was set to south africa, would conduct its own policy in line with its own national interests. i think of the most important message to not just america, but to the you and the natal from the soft getting president is that age. so i forgot is a servant state uh, and it has all the rights to come out to define its own foreign policy. it's not a proxy or subsidiary of need to america. no. the and the president is fully

aware that the decisions that he had to states she's cabinets, made monthly payment and formed by the interest kids. and the guy is a huge interest in maintaining a very warm and productive and mutually respectful collection ship with the russian for the nation. the prime minister of poland says this country will not open up its market for ukrainian grain comes, as are russia exit at the black sea grain failing to uphold its end of the bargain . and while the west did fail to meet russia's demands, ukraine is reported to have made more than $9000000000.00 for his export. since the stock of the black sea initiative i didn't to europe a poland, romania, bulgaria, slovakia, and hungry. all imposed of ban on those imports. officials say the increased supplies were holding domestic producers by pushing down prizes,

which sparked outrage among local funds. and while russia has on the line several times of the goal of the grand deal was the head of a food crisis and the poorest countries moscow has maintained, it's ready to supply those nations in need for free. meanwhile, the us is announced another 250000000 dollars of age to ukraine in order to compensate for the loss in revenue more money, more money, and more money. let's discuss this now with the political ad listed economist, i can have a joining us here and all the international a very well welcome to you. i can what a story. it never goes away. this one has been going on for such a long time. the old grain deal was, was meant to provide a to the countries most in need with talking is, you know, about africa and the middle eastern. yet, as moscow has continually said, the vast majority of ukraine's grain goes to the very countries that are fighting russia in ukraine. why has it consistently gone that way?

because uh, the owners in ukraine, which is mainly black rock, wants to make the biggest profit on the one end. on the other hand, the europeans don't want the north african countries to star because it would cost a new migrant flow into europe, which say one states is why they just made this new contract. they say once and normally 2 flats, the european markets with cheap uh, we'd from ukraine to make the own farmers suffer and to take away the land from them because they want to freeze it. they want to make it environmental not for use for people anymore, or they want to make it like in the netherlands to make it desperate to cook for, for housing and so on. so we have a very, very mean background on this. and this is why this great deal doesn't stop. and the other thing is that, of course, uh, these speculators in the us of relates to black truck. i have

a big interest in disruptions in the ukraine gray market because this would cost on the international market spike price hikes, which they can speculate on. and if, especially if they know in advance, for example, if this is somehow related to some core incidents on the premier average, then you have, is it you speculate of profits they can take into that pockets and everything on the back of the poor people? well yeah, so once again, it's almost like, you know, this kind of stuff it'll, it'll always rolls down the hill. i mean, you know, a rush or a side is ready to directly supply grain to african nations. full free, free grain, free fireflies up, free delivery. but it's a tough cool, it's a tough cool for russia i get because it's, you know, a lot of russian captains licenses for those cargo ships have been revoked. a lot of that port parking permits have been remote call. the vessels have been signing

shanetta. he is russia saying we are trying to get this food now for free to the news countries in the world, but the west continues to sanction rushing cargo vessels and then talking permits as well. why would that be the case? ica when africa and so many countries that a so in need because of the speculators. and what you correctly said is the cost. why more and more countries of turning the back on this type of west like us, dominated west and turn in the turning their way towards russia, china, and so much more favorable lines for them. what the people see in western europe to is that this alliance with the us making war and all these things. what you absolutely correct, the said is not very favorable for the europeans either because it just takes us as

a blink of an eye for the washington, a government to put to europe or germany, or whoever, on the st. and list 2. and then we have, we face similar problems like a now russia and in the world, nobody really wants this anymore. and so i think that russia will be, um, will be a, gets the benefit of this really big presence they do with huge, with a huge effort to they undertake. yeah, quite so bring commentary that from like i have a economist on publisher of a vote shopped as well as a business, a newsletter. it's always good to have on the program, a big fan of your work as well, like looking forward to seeing you soon. thank you very much. thank you. like us congressman in charge of ova site has revealed the federal investigators were effectively told to sit tight when they wanted to interview the president, son, hunter bite in this part of a corruption inquiry. of course,

they never got that chance. on the day of the 100, by the end interview, federal agents were told to stand by and could not approach 100 bite. and they had to wait for his call as a result of the change in plans iris. and that the criminal investigators never got to interview 100 biden. as part of the investigation, it seems like the more we learned about 100 right in the more we find that he has a different set of rules and the rest of us. so the latest revolution comes from the house oversight committee there giving new insight into that federal investigation into 100 biden, which includes the revelation that the president's son escaped an interview with the f. b i back in december 2020. that's according to the testimony of a former f b i agent which backs up the claims made by an iras whistle blower. as a reminder, hunter has been the subject of a 5 year long investigation by the us government that has resulted in plans for a plea deal where she is expected to plead guilty to to mister meaner charges of

tax evasion. and one felony charge of lying about his drug use on a federal form when purchasing a firearm back in 2018. but it appears that plans through interview 100 directly went astray just one month after the 2020 election. the former f. b. i agent quoted by congress says that the secret service and president jo biden's, transition team were given a heads up and as a result the f. b, i was told not to approach hunter, but to wait for his call instead. now, of course, when it comes to joe biden, he has claimed that he wasn't aware of his son's business dealings. but the house oversight committee also released a timeline in which they say there's a bite and family, and their associates created more than 20 companies and received more than $10000000.00 from foreign nationals after joe biden became vice president. now, republicans in congress have pledge to continue to investigate the bible families business dealings. and as for hunter himself,

he is doing court next week where he is expected to make that plea deal official. so yeah, just a quick, a totally unrelated side note here, but just the incoming comments from the pendant going regarding f sixteens for ukraine. apparently, the pentagon says the west will meet is, will be crazy and pilot training and billions of dollars to achieve parity with the russian fighter jets and russian fight. finance. more details on the, [000:00:00;00]

the hello and welcome to was a part of the father of greek tragedy. escalates a remark more than 2 and a half. millennium go choose is always the 1st casualty of war. and the case of the cranium of war with this unprecedented levels of censorship and deliberate distortions. charles had been banished even before the interstate cause, so it has began best may we choose to or on the ring reality it would pay the way to peace both to discuss it. i'm now joined, but nichol, i petrol. professor of political science at the university of rhode island and also all the tragedy of your pray. what's classical and greek tragedy can teach us about the conflict resolution. professor petra is great to talk to and thank you very much in advance for this rather unusual. i'm pretty intriguing. look at the

ukranian conflict as well. thank you. i look forward to discussing it. now, i've given you a focus on the greek g, g, g games, a left me, uh, quote, one more of them. uh, they saw, sophocles course started that old man, make mistakes, but a good man you, when he knows that his course of action is wrong, repairs the evil, the only crime, according to sophocles, is pride isn't what's your book is all about that the, this conflict essentially rose out of hubris, a few bits of the politically leads, which by the way, some greeks considered as one of the biggest things. yes. but not just this tragedy . not just this war on wars arise out of hubris, which at the beginning of and as i say, the middle to the end of the 20th century. we have a number of realist political thinkers, international relations spirits,

people like hands morgenthau and ronald neighbor who highlighted this as a common human flaw. and encouraged statesman of their era, the cold war to look beyond it and to compare their predicament during the cold war to the predicament of their predecessors, including all the way back to the greeks and persians to. and i think it would be very good for all of us to look back to that example. and remember that the, the lessons that they tried to provide to us, which professor richard natalie about. well, i relied on a lot and coming up with this concept and applying it refers to as the tragic vision of politics. what i appreciate in your book is uh, not only

a reference as to ancient literature, but also your jewel, political directness. you're essentially saying that your queen was conflicted even before the russian military incursion began. rich, which is an obvious thing, but it's a pretty well statement to making the in this day and age. how far back do you trays the origins of this war? well, in later in political debates, i argue it can be traced roughly a 150 years back. of course, if you read ukrainian nationalist historians, it goes all the way back to the origins, of course, uh, and the conflict which i see. i get a lot of historical analogies and biblical analogies to chain and able in romulus and remus and jacob and esau, this conflict of 2 brothers. and um,

so this theme recurs in ukrainian nationalist, historical writings, and the problem the injustice that they do that they highlight is that the wrong brother, the god benefits and it should have been them. it should've been here, which was the mother of life in cities and therefore, should have dominated over the great your age and land mass and must be, should have been the provincial back water. but the professor culture, as far as i understand your space is it's not just a historical grievance, it's actually a lead reality because as you state in your book, the conflict within the ukraine stems from the states reluctance to recognize the so called all the ukraine. the fact that this 3rd of its population considering themselves russians in terms of the cultural identity um ukrainian in terms of the civic identity. and i think this is actually a crucial point to

a emphasize that these people considering the ukraine as that own country. me stop, why do you think the state refuse to reciprocate by flu? accepting that identity? so regardless of the language, they speak with the books they read because early on out there and in the years that roughly decade, i would say i'm more following ukrainian independence. they made the wrong choice. well, they made a nationalist choice rather than a civic choice. at the time of the ideas of federalism in ukraine. we go back all the way to the late 19th century, it was recognized that there was a great diversity in the territory of ukraine. and that

federalism would offer an optimal solution which had been tried all around the world, basically exchanging freedom of a local culture in exchange for civic loyalty. and that that was a perfectly good formula for patriotism. however, over this time, there was a counter veiling argument made by ukraine. you nationalist many of whom drew their in spiration from a ancestors who would emigrated to the west after world war 2. and it seems that they retain a sense of entitlement to be able to define what is the true ukraine even against those who are living in the country at the time. and they

brought this sense of entitlement. and to some extent, i would say vengeance in their hearts for why they've been done as they see it during world war 2 to their uh, to their, to their parents and grandparents. and as a result, to try to construct the ukraine, which was more thoroughly and truly new credit, purely ukrainian, which is really a nationalistic, okay. well, um, so just as soon as it is, uh, pretty xenophobic statement. uh, suggesting that the, some people living within the country are fever. her. the other is in cultural or, you know, bloodline terms but, and your projects. we said in your book about, um, you know, parking this with then uh, ukrainian, that leaves. but i wonder if uh, uh, it's just as dire tunnel vision, the own government says, or do you think perhaps they,

they were also help by ukraine's western allies. because the ministry, tragic is we have no characters to consort, are found the plains of castilla 2 for the own, usually less than noble aims. inevitably, and again, i don't see this particular conflict as different from any other civil war. most civil wars, i would say all civil wars have an external component because they're always neighbors or other forces that we've derived benefits from either the weakening of the country that is undergoing this catastrophe or from a replacement of the old a lead with a new, a lead more sympathetic to them. and ukraine, which could have been and the end is to some extent, i still hope is destined to be at the crossroads of europe. it has to recognize

itself as a cross roads as a bridge, but instead, so far has, has articulated in its i'm on its elite. so i would again argue a sense that we are a ballpark against the east. so an extension of the west pushing back of the eastern part of, of europe, which i do consider again in russia to be part of, of eastern europe. i would also say, going back to a bit or earlier point about nationalism, i have a very specific and i hope, precise definition of nationalism. which is indeed it is a form to tell a caring as i see nothing, nothing since the end of the 19th century. that in nobles, nationalism, nationalism has been transformed in by the 1920s already and certainly by the light