why not replicate the scheme in the country close to russia, and why not elect someone there based on the same principle, someone who is unconditionally following orders. we spoke this sullivan, self, who saves the goal of his film, was simple to make people question the mainstream, normative of the conflict. the film explores his background as a comedian and again, i'm not denigrating, jo, his is profession. uh it's it's, it's not a refreshing him any, it was pretty good added i, i have to, i have to give him credit. it also explores um the circle of the people uh tv series that uh that he was involved in uh where he portrayed uh a um, a common man who became the president of ukraine, fighting corruption, etc. and i, i, i think we, we looked into that, um, was this an accident uh, that zelinski was picked for this was this program purely innocent programming

coming from the minds of a producer seeking purely to entertain the people of ukraine or was there something more nefarious beyond of elevating zelinski in the minds of the ukrainian people who are very critical time in their history of the import training and as a, as a leaders, i think the documentary set forth a compelling case that this wasn't denison, that this was a, uh, this was a concerted effort by very interested parties who did not have the best interest of ukraine in mind. we're looking, we're looking for a man who can be manipulated to put in the office of the presidency. the last thing zalinski is, is a genuine, democratically minded leader of ukraine. he is somebody who was hand picked to serve in the role of fronting for the outside interest for an interest who we're using ukraine is a, a, there's a tool so to speak,

a weapon to move against russia is unique about it is that it is not beholden to a main stream western narrative that we've actually availed ourselves of genuine experts out there who speak with knowledge and it can cite sources to back up their assessments. their claims. um, these are people who are no, i mean there's no one in the film that is an unknown. everybody knows who these people are. but their voices that have been silence their voices of whose messages inconvenient to the mainstream narrative of promoting a zalinski as a democratic leader is a more time leader to come from the same cloth is winston churchill is a man who shares american value shares western values and is, is this film shows, there are reasons to doubt this narrative, a scouts of it or,

well, we are cross talking again in moments with peter lavelle and guess, discussing how the republican party is based views, the ukraine conflict now almost 18 months and, and whether that could affect the u. s. presidential election. run in for 2024. the the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered on people about american voters are rarely interested in foreign policy during election cycles. that said the issue between maybe the exception this time round, particularly among the g o p voters, much of the republican base,

a sour them ukraine policy. they see it as biden's war. the discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guest door to send you what are we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle which can be found on youtube in locals. and in lisbon we crossteck, like morris is host of the redacted news broadcasts. and a former fox news baker part gentleman cross the reason in fact, that needs to get into a meantime. you want and i always appreciated. right, george in budapest, it was very interesting how over the last few weeks out of the ukraine policies played out in the us presidential election. but having said that, a foreign minister lobrado said on the last new cycle, which i think is quite interesting said, we know what we're fighting for. what is the bike administration fighting for? well, it's a very good question. as far as one can tell,

is fighting for the right to keep the wall going in definitely. um is doing good business for us. um is the manufactured and it's getting russians honest. lindsey graham same is this the best money i ever spent? you know, the reference of buying, so i, that's all with the only strategic objectives of it. is it possible to do some on the case of uh, buy them. i mean, when it comes to the republicans office, they, that they're all the, the neo cons. and there is donald trump and trump himself. however, as always, has been ambiguous. so mean he's not quite sure. does he want to be the tough guy who's going to, you know, stand on the boat and bring this was the minutes orders, they want to be the piece. make a will finally. uh, you know, be, deliver what everyone obviously wants. so he's playing it both ways and this happened during his presidency with me. and when you tried to sit on 2 stools,

trying to use a full in between the you know, clean. it's very interesting looking at the main stream media coverage of the conflict in ukraine and it's, it's about 99.9 percent in one direction. but at the same time, you have a lot of people and if you look in alternative media and the pod cast and whatnot is almost the reverse, there's in an enormous amount of skepticism in this skepticism is only getting more intense as people actually learn more about the context of the conflict, your thoughts? i, i agree with you. i think that there's been an awakening when we were covering at the beginning of the war and drawing attention to this is not just started in february. this goes back many, many years. there's a lot of context here. let's talk about victoria newland. let's talk about all of the pieces under the obama administration that were put in place to get us to this point. the expansion of nato, and people would say, no, no, you can't talk about that. we were banned and blocked and censored and taken off

youtube and now being there. so what is that we, we, you know, you know how it goes, right? so you've, you've been expand now. i think there's this awakening this on folding. and even just among, i know anecdotes right, really don't fly, but even like among friends who are sort of, wow, maybe had you know, ukrainian flags flying or, or, or pulled up in their, their, their twitter bios. you've seen a removal of that. you've seen flags removed just even going around portugal, other parts of europe, where you've had all of these flags and subway stops and, and billboards. and everything had been removed. and i think there's a growing awareness, and i think it's starting to trickle into the main stream, and i'm encouraged by that. it's a i like when people become educated. yeah, yeah. but it's sometimes it's really hard to get it out there in charge. i mean, we, you, we could all be very skeptical here and take a step back. okay. so the bite and administration is for the war, overwhelmingly, the trump is against bite. and so support trump, you see what i mean, how it kind of plays that, that plays into that because it's clayton is mentioned,

you know, the more you're educated about this, the more questions that are, that are brought up. but then there's also a political wedge issue. i'm against this because he's for me, i think there is part of that as well. george? yes. uh without question. and uh, and i think that's the problem. there's originally but with chrome and, and his acolytes is that they're constantly attacking by them. but it's not clear always what are they attacking bite and bull because some of them are attacking buying but not doing, you know, do i have the ukraine? and and drum says what it wouldn't have happened if i were president because i was so top and you know, built in with the dad to do anything with me. and um, and so, so it, uh, the difficulty however, is i may, i, i agree with the weights and is that there is the public perception of ukraine is very different from the perception of the foreign policy making. you lead the

policy making. your lead is absolutely gone home and supporting the ukraine, but because i think you've greenville, when they just want to go on bleeding. russia. 7 however, the republic, as you know, as, as not being as soon as the last thing about the polls show that there's knowing susie as a board doesn't, you know, no way do you see any demonstrations against russia? it's just costing a lot of money. and i think that point is saving into people's consciousness to say we're spending all this money on the landscape. i can, i'm, you know, we go ahead and then, you know, there's no money, but this is no money for health care. and then what date with dental care, whatever, but does it promptly infinite amount of money? but uh, as soon as gets, the question is, how do we get to some kind of democratic accountability? so if it's a public view, oh we'll, we'll get back, we'll get to that with the war powers act, images, pay the past the some of the 2nd half of the program. i claim that i get george gave us a wonderful segue into the self destruction of mike pens by tucker carlson,

which is very interesting is because, you know, as i said in my introduction, you know, but much of the republican base is souring on this here. but not the leads, and this is one of the things that george and i have talked about a lot over ever since the complex started this iteration of meaning and february of last year. is that now we're seeing the real start difference between the establishment and everybody else? well, it was interesting to watch tuckers is this the ration of a lot of these candidates over the past few days and you really, you're absolutely right about it. there's this dichotomy between the people in the audience and the sort of automaton who are up on stage mike pennsburg and we're, we're the perfect perfect robot, right? the neoconservative robot. and i think one interesting narrative emerged when you watched all of those interviews. it was this idea of we can walk and chew gum at the same time. and so they're having this very narrow debate right now. biden is

too slow to get, gets into ukraine. we would do it more quickly and that's literally the spatter. yeah, that's the spectrum, you know, and, and so there is no daylight at all between democrats and republicans, but you have this audience sitting there saying, wait a minute. why are we sending billions of dollars into this vacuum cleaner? that's ukraine. why are we doing this? when our bridges are collapsing in the united states, when we have a fit know, crisis pouring across our borders, when people can't afford their rent and they're working harder for less money is the us dollar continues to be the value. so i, it's amazing to watch this disconnected, but georgia definitely right. there is an absolute thirst for continuing the military industrial complex in the united states and just follow the money. and all of those mansions that pop up around washington dc. they're all fueled by the military industrial complex and defense contractor. so the money is just pouring

into washington d. c. and then of course, you'll have this, you will here in next week. and the military industrial complex will make even more money once the, that disclosure project comes out, they'll make trillions instead of billions of, you know, judge, it was interesting. the has a, nikki haley, me, see, might not have been obliterated. but she certainly learned her lesson from mike pens. okay. meeting she does doesn't really say anything subsystem she never has before. why should we expect that now? but the what the, the, the, the tucker interviews showed in least if you, if you're interested in the topic of the, there are red lines. there are people have certain limits and they don't like being lied to. okay. um, it's for democracy. uh, okay, so then why are their elections going on in ukraine? okay. well, it's about transparency. why can't you have an audit of all the money that's going? they're excited people, you know,

people don't like to be treated as it is. if they're children. yeah. then the question, and it's was very striking that the in the 2016 when the trump um, what is this array to, is full of his or republican opponents. he did it by a very clear, unambiguous messages and we will like to about the rock. thank you. absolutely. it was a comb job that and as you went further you said that they knew it was a tongue job. those people who, you know, the that's the thousands of americans are on them because they lied to the american public. and everyone assumed, well, this is the end of trump, you know, you know, he, he gals survivors and he's the republican voters to you the deal. yeah. you're absolutely right. we will lied to. and this was this south carolina. you know, where you're the home of all the veterans. yeah. so you're actually right. the people want, you know, the truth still. and the, and they told that everything that they've been told about ukraine about zalinski

has been lies. and uh, and that is, that isn't any build and that also explains dr. carson's notice recommendation. i mean, he's standing among the republicans is extraordinary. and topic also has been the one person on the main stream media who has been absolutely outspoken on the, the subject of the ukraine. yeah. because he's not afraid. he's not afraid everybody else will put it into a posture being afraid of going to i find a bobby kennedy junior, this position on this very interesting to so you have a obviously he's not the frontrunner in the democratic primary because there isn't a democratic primary. but i mean, he is prominent within the party and in all to alternative media. he's very, very popular now, like in the mainstream here. but it was very interesting in a bobby kennedy junior in trump, maybe not saying the same things, but both being skeptical holes being skeptical in both being marginalized,

uncensored and blocked by the mainstream media. and it's amazing to watch when they say something, what you're allowed, then to cover in the mainstream press or to have again, youtube censoring videos blocking uh, shutting down entire channels because of what bobby kennedy junior has to say. i don't agree with him on, on everything at all, but i think when you have a candidate who's willing and afraid to come out and say, you know, why are we doing this? i will, he says, i'm gonna shut down all the military bases around the world. do you ever think they're going to let him become president of the united states? when he says that i'm going to dismantle the military industrial complex. i'm going to take and shut down these military bases i did with my wife and the how can i stay there quite and how can you say that you're going to see the comment on? isn't that a comment on the, on the, the sent you a patient of democracy in america? you just said they'll never allow him to do that? well, i, well, what happened to the democratic process?

yeah, i mean, that's the sod. i think we're now really seeing through this facade that it's the money, it's the donors. all you need to do is go back seen these nuggets of bernie sanders . right when. when m. s. n b c produced theirs and whistle blowers and a most nbc came forward and admitted that they were told that they were not allowed to put bernie sanders on television right then even in their graphics, if they had on their screen when they showed who's the court the candidates running for president right now, it was interesting to see in, you know, andrew yang and other people removed from the graphic and they had comma harris on there who was pulling lower than bernie sanders. why? so she's pulling lower your bernie sanders who's winning. but you can't have him on the show, you can't do the man, i have to go to a hard break here. we're going to jump in here. we're going to go have a hard break. and after that heart rate, we'll continue our discussion states. the

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well match across stuff where all things are considered either. well, this is a home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. the george in budapest year in the last new cycle we had other senate rejects congressional powers over nato, article 5, and it was a vote of it losing $16.00 to $83.00. we ended the pro 1st part of the problem talking about the democratic process. now we're talking about trashing that constitution is in someone else's. another country is security means trends, the security needs of the united states and part of the constitution. the exact, the brands bull hasn't bade the prop uh, democratic uh, observation that, you know, optical,

5 of the nose advances treated does not trump the us constitution, isn't it decisions about going to level of determined by congress and by the us present the town and by nature, but this is where, you know, the american, the political elite is of no, no, no, you know, we, we've got this guys that we have to be binding on. optical 5 is binding if you got it because we were told many times, the article vibe doesn't say that you automatically go for walks. but even when you look at the north atlantic treaty good makes clear that you're only other obligated to go to walk in circumstances as long as your in conformity with 0 nations laws and the constitution. and so it's the same except even the north atlantic treaty, except that every nation has to follow its own laws and its own constitution. but

it is a measure of how far america is the generated. because there was a time when the senators, who expressed discomfort with united states joining nato, the senate, those who are expressing discomforts over the expansion of major the was a debate. i mean, wasn't much of a debate, but the least of what some debates in the ninety's about expanding nato. now, i mean, other than rand, full and even he is been rather weak. but the other than rampal, there was no one was a pay where the hell is the america you dragging of the americans into? yeah, well it judge them on our podcast to discuss the great length with article one of the treaty is, which is never mentioned meeting. don't books always refer a resort to diplomatic means to resolve conflicts here, but claims. what is there, what is the reason why i brought this up in?

it's something a trend that i have been observing for a long time. you're in lisbon. you're in portugal. and uh, you know, we've seen how v e. u is subsumed itself to nato because, you know, it breaks it, you know, the, the, the case a back door back into europe is really a european union. but when it's assumed under nato, and it'd be what's called versus just codified exactly the same thing. i got you, i found this article on anti war dot com. i mean, i didn't see it in the main street. i would have missed it completely if i hadn't gone to alternative media cleaning it well you're, i think you're hitting the nail on the head, which is what? well, george did to is what is happening to united states. you're literally, you're literally taking away american sovereignty and you're turning it over to this global on elected body. and it really gets you off the hook. we're seeing it at the world economic forum level. we're seeing at the world health organization level. so that, you know, under a pandemic treaty, what happens?

well, the united states government is irrelevant. it's this an elected body that gets to decide with the future of these countries. and i think this is, i know there's all this chatter and talk about this unit polar order versus a multi polar order, but i really think it is actually, this is the, this is the future. this is the debate right now. do we want to give up sovereignty to these large organizations? the do not have the interests of the sovereign powers at heart and individual countries, whether it's in netherlands and having other farmers, you know, lots of their, you know, thousands of farms because of something that is drawn up in brussels or the united states pandemic policy is something that's drawn up by the world health organization, or why are we sending so many billions of dollars into this cauldron that's destroying the united states. but all of these questions are not being asked by people in washington dc. you're right, ran paul. maybe the only one that was asking that question and then he's even bent

over and allowed these things to past. oh there's no, there's no audit of the amount of money we're sending there. yeah, i asked for it. well i guess i didn't get it. okay. i won't hold it up anymore. let's just push it through. so weak is a great way to describe it, and it's really, really troubling. the sentence rejection. you know, this constitution over the, over this i, i'm really what i'm really worried about where we go from here and how much will you see the, the united states senate just had to finally announce that we're no longer at warner rack. after 20 years we, we have to literally, when we even announce a war, when did we actually actually put, when did congress approval war? is there somebody going to do it? but with the recent vote in then go to george right now they will, they will, they even refuse to affirm the constitution physics showing that they don't affirm the parameters and the sovereignty, but can use that word of the come see if they refuse to do that. that's extraordinary, never happened and i'm not quite sure why quite strongly. i remember

a few days ago, they also had a vote, and it was, i think, some congressmen who had a stipulate as a condition of more money for ukraine, that the by them is ration come to congress and explain each strategy. what is it trying to achieve? and if it doesn't come and explain what he's trying to achieve, then they'll be no more money. and that was, it goes little. so voted down. so you can, you, alexis politicians who presumably are elected in all of the, to oversee the patropolis spending over the taxpayers money. so i know, mamma, we, we don't want to do that yet. you don't have to come to us. you don't have to explain how your, how you're spending all money. and it's the same thing with the old and that are we, we don't want to do it. we trust you, you know, all this money is, you know, 100000000000 do 100 bill. and who knows how much money has been spent? yeah, it's whole being spent perfectly appropriately. we use the tool, they need an audit of donald from businesses in new york city. yes. that that's

exactly. yeah. that's the most important stuff. right. yeah. the yeah. that, that, that, that, that's really important, but what you're doing with tax way is money. i, you just go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. you know, clinton, one of the things that i find really bothers and that we shouldn't be surprised is that we will all august remember that from be to war in iraq. and the same strategy is being used, even though the new york said we learned our lesson to watch, do we weren't or less. we, you know, we won't be, we won't fall for this again. but they are because the b, u. nato is phone is a supposed to be a defense of military organization so that you'd be talking about geo political positioning and security. but it's transcended that into a, a, a crusade, a crusade of the west, you mounted joseph browse, you know, the garden and all of this here it is. the security is really kind of an after thought here because, you know,

the whole idea of security during the cold war in the sense is being the visibility of security for all we are no longer in that. we, we, you know, we, we got untethered from that, okay. and, and as long as we're untethered from that, we're going to be living at a time to be in tennis insecurity. you know, by the way, facing, is watching. and that's a great point. it's a question i've asked for years when people would say to me, well this is for you when you hear the rhetoric from george w bush and, and all of them. and dick cheney and others, this is making us safer. that by going into a rack, you know, tie a yellow ribbon around a tree and in america, and this is making us the safer. i mean, my brother was in baghdad. so during the gulf war, and i mean how, how are we safer? was our security improved here in the united states by invading and destabilizing the middle east? like please explain that to me. i'd love to hear how that works, how our american troops in syria stealing syrian oil,

providing security for the united states, and then shipping it to a rack. how i was sending a hundreds of billions of dollars into ukraine, making people in iowa safer. please explain. i would love to hear how was the way it was right now could even go further. how is it actually helping ukraine? george? i mean, it needs a, you know, i've said on my program, you know, you, oh well, um we, they, us, it stay in a rack and i've always, it didn't, we help them and, you know, maybe we should stop helping these people as they, as these lead say, because the more a that is being sent to, to your brain, the longer the more, the more people dine in, the smaller you brain gets it's, it's actually the, there's a, you know, in x or a will cause and effect that the more money that pulls in the more native they get, the more a countries destroyed. i mean, what's happened the ukraine, i mean is just the risk. but what happens the syria? i mean, it will not happen. have obama not going on with this brilliant idea to affect

regime change? you know, i saw months ago before that, oh god, on a few months ago, you know, look what has happened in the, in libya, look, what's happened is there a little goes in that same wonderful year in 2011. and they said, you know, they had the sali and yeah, most goes, i haven't got that war in yemen has been guys up here the total devastation of the country of the country and certainly hasn't done anything for the united states. but it's just the distorted the many, you know, obviously go back to one of the george w bush's was, and this is really the legacy of nature. and even even going beyond what was, i mean, the game pack that he's had in this been your a hold of divisiveness and you know, they, they, he's the area that's over well, many countries easier. but, you know, basically i've had quite a peaceful life. it wasn't, there wasn't many of this at the ethnic complex because they,

they are terrible political bitten. this with us now emerged in a country out in bulk area and romania molto. but all of that is, is effect the, is an effect of the us and they do expansion. know, you know, the, george dave, they're really good. literally a menu of failed, of foreign policy became changed the claim where we, where they have one minute left here. but the different, there's a big difference this time you go to the, the u. s. is leading the collective west against a nuclear power called russia. that's been different. don't you think one minute? absolutely. it is. and i think you're, you're witnessing why they're continuing to push for, you know, saying well, no nuclear power, nuclear weapons that's off the table. so we're running up against this wall. okay, so then we're gonna play underneath that nuclear threshold. we're going to play our little game in our little garden, expanding nato, and all of these additional countries. and funneling as much money as we can to the expansion of nato. and we're saying we're out of weapons now. i'll continue, we're out of weapons. so you know what, we need to ramp up on

a war footing. you heard this in britain, you heard this last week in washington. we need to go to a war footing. now. what does that mean while we're out of weapons now? so we need to expand within these parameters, more javelins, more patriot missiles, more jets, expansion expansion expansion. what happens in natal being a defensive organization? yeah, well it at the expense of health care and the education in the border security and all of that claim, it was wonderful having you on and what i think my guests in lisbon and in budapest and one's like our viewers are watching us. here are the see you next time. remember process was the when i was just don't to safe house because.