are the publications for the american military, with the guard operations on nuclear weapons. and what i found is a cavalier attitude toward those weapons. that is to say, they're just bigger weapons. i'm encouraged by the fact that in all of the my review there is the state, but quote, the president of the united states is the only one with the authority to use nuclear weapons on quote, that somewhat reassuring, until you think about the presidents we've had of late and then it's not so reassuring. but i say that because i think we're coming to a time again, look at what we've done. we have an old or withdrawn from unilaterally or just flat cancel every nuclear arms control agreement painfully achieved during the cold war . from the abm treaty, which my president george w bush abrogated without a fairly well all the way to open skies. and now finally, start because student is not about to come back to start after ukraine. so we have

no arms control. we have a military this talking about nuclear weapons as low the battlefield utility developing doctrine for their use and so forth. the russians are doing the same thing. we're looking at a possibility of getting into some kind of tactical use of nuclear weapons that were the, shall we say, customize them, make some actually something that we use on the balance to this disaster for the environment. for people to the hives, for everything we're talking about that we want to stop with the ukraine wars. the primary example right now, killing people, displacing people knocking them out of their homes. we can make this normal activity, and yet i'm seeing it becoming that in doctrine, in doctrine also leads action. or is it that what gives confidence to blinking state department and the other people in control there in, in washington?

is it what gives them confidence there intelligence surfaces? do they have good spies in moscow? letting them know, look, this is the right policy. we all have succeeding year. i know. presidents not least the one use of very well. i mean, we all know what happened to the intelligence they've gone through to him. and what happened in iraq is it that they have good spies, exceptional spies in moscow that gives them the confidence. i could be a part of the, you know, my phrase for the current crew is lincoln blinking not nudge. and that's why i said that on this program to you in touch me, i just, i just don't give them a lot of brain power credit. and the people who are pushing them to be behind them actually making the decisions or, or seeing the influence and make some decisions. i'll give them a lot of credit for thinking about our future and our posterity either. you know, our country now is one by the point 001 percent, who own about the g, d p,

equivalent of brazil in their personal family fortunes. these are the people that make the decisions. i want alarms me about them and i've had a long discussion with a number of people who agree with me and don't agree with me that this is a very, very mysterious factor. that is to say, they don't give a damn about the future. they just care about their shareholder prices, their stock prices, they care about making more billions on top of the billions they already have. and they don't seem to have any regard whatsoever for even their own boss dirty as an extremely dangerous situation when you get people like that, influence in those who are in power and those in power are not all that competent. and they have any concerns of the future. it's a mystery to us. we can explain it. we do not understand why these people do not have any interest, even in their own future, in the future of their grandchildren in the future, their children. they have no interest in the future,

they only have interest in the present and in money. okay. any day i'll give you don't care about the environment. if they destroyed the north stream, i understand that you agree with the site share, that it was the by the ministration that destroyed it. why do you think the by the ministration was so confident, there be no retaliation, rushes at all. they will be consequences for that destruction of the pipeline that was spend millions of dollars of german and, and russian money. but there hasn't really been a reaction to it. i think there'll be a long term consequence. and i think people think strategically, and i'm not quite sure the mirror does, but i think he does, or at least he has some people around him to do. if he thinks strategically, the germans aren't going to tolerate this much longer. if you're talking about the heart of nato in europe, you're talking about germany, germany, germany, germany. and if you eliminate germany, if, if germany suddenly decides they are not best or by fuel that comes in,

that is far more content 0 than the fuel that we're getting from russia far more expensive. but this is not really what they want for a future. and we're also building their bows, arms behind their back, trying to break them away from china, which is nonsense. i mean, break germany away from china, the engine of the european economy away from the engine of the world economy. you gotta be kidding me. and yet that's what we're trying to do. this whole business with ukraine, if you find the root cause of the belief of the bad and the crew is to reestablish us in germany which was slipping over europe. they'll figure that out sooner or later, especially the germans. and then it's katie bar the door we're going to be in trouble because the alliance is going to shatter and the trans atlantic relationship with kind of larry wilkinson. i'll stop you there. more from the former chief of staff to us secretary of state colin powell. after this break, the

american voters are rarely interested in for policy during election cycles. but it said the issue between maybe the exception this time around, particularly among t o p voters, much of the republican base as our w frame policy. they see it is by the the,

the welcome back to going out of the garden. i'm still here with their time kind of mary wilkerson, the cheapest off to us extra said calling about thank you so much for what you were saying in part one, it was fascinated to hear that not only do you agree with the fact that north stream was a bite and administration operation because we've had the secretaries of the navy on the show and of moscow station. they never said that the north stream was a bite and administration to or an attack, but you're talking about nato and it's problems. i mean was the ability of someone could be one of the last summits we see of its kind it might not be last. we are great at war mongering. we seem to be the most adept country in the world that it as a matter of fact, which justifies the fact we're supposed to be in democracy and care about things

like human rights and such. but in bushes administration, george w bush. i figured that out by 2004, it really is done me. it took a while, we didn't give a damn about any of those things. so we use those things that sugar coding. we use those things for most international audiences and our own domestic audience as sugar coding. we don't care about freedom, we don't care about democracy. what we care about is power and money, money, and power that sums up america today. and that sums up what our war instrument is for, including nuclear weapons. it's a sad commentary, and yet it is a true commentary. and i'll argue with anyone that wants to argue about it till the cows come home. that's our purpose today. moore is a profitable business and we are in profits. that's why we're selling weapons. that's why we're doing what we're doing and you crying. and anyone who tries to sign any other reason to it is just simply much that's what's happening. and the

2nd thing about it is we have now drug as centrally $700000000.00 plus europeans into it, who will figure it out sooner or later. and then we're gonna have a bridge and let's see the world divided into the european union, trying to get his political life together. china, the united states in the trying to figure which one to go to any pivot point and make a quarter of the world's population of people. and that's going to be a multiple world par x along. and we're going to be starting the rear end of that world about 90 percent of the time. if we don't stop and get our act together, not to mention is that the climate change is gonna eat our lunch is already eating our lunch. i've just come back from out west, and you wanna walk down the street because there's nothing but smoke all the time. asked new york or from the smoke coming down from canada. asked people who are

looking at water situations that are simply existential for them. and fighting with other states out west trying to figure out who's going to get the water that's left . this is a crisis that if we know confront right now this minute and do it intelligently and competently forget it. well really well if, if vitamin was responsible, if i knew i'd stream, clearly climate change is something the policy, if it's coming is to increase. but in fairness to u. s. media and obviously in the west and your i mean use officially, well media descent on ukraine is, is bad. there's, there's actually official censorship in front of us to us media. i don't normally say that, you know, we've had down eligible gone. he died recently. literally he heard him say that and you are trying to extradite julian hassan is right now from london. us major is beginning to call it a proxy war. the ukraine more says g. noticed that sometimes that somehow the

united states circle mainstream corporate media is starting to latch onto the arguments you've been making since february and since 2014. so you'd have to be a jesus, a granite rock not to and they'd have to begin to understand that, well, we keep up on this thing more longer and we're going to lose what little leadership we have left. because the american people then figure out, sooner or later too, if you're looking at a situation where the united states is going to be sending, spending is already spending. if we talk about national security rather than the armed forces, a trillion dollars a year, you're looking at a $3233.00 trillion dollar aggregate debt, the interest payments of which will consume plus the defense budget. all of the discretionary federal spending by 2030, maybe earlier. that's the congressional budget office prediction. you can keep doing that. you simply can't keep doing it. why are we able to do it now we're able

to do it now because the oil is denominated, preferably in dollars. and because we have a military that will smash anybody or sanction anybody or most who objects that cannot persist, it simply cannot continue and we're bankrupt for all practical purposes if we have to pay our debt tomorrow, the interest payments on that debt alone are going to bankrupt us, but if you have to pay the debt in aggregate, sorry, you're not going to do that and people don't quit by our debt around the world. and that's going to be dramatic. is coming and it's all coming at a time when much or what we do have in terms of resources that are viable, should be aimed at meeting the common crisis. well, something some say it's speeding up, but clearly, you know, it is still the federal. uh it is still the world currency. so we won't have to wait just a little bit, but then so all the cost of bombs. and as a military man, you probably know more about cluster bombs and then i do, i mean,

is lost through the dice. the cluster bombs being sent to boy is damage and kill and maim, future generations of children and you, graham, utterly obscene. just like using the play did you ring uranium rounds and in and around baghdad, we've got a cash right there around felicia and elsewhere. now interact it out, strips any cancer, right? including children. and i think just to drop the bridge governments as depleted uranium is completely safe. right. uh huh. and i've, i've got some swampland in florida. i'll sell the british government. this is stupid to do this sort of thing. they should have been outlawed long time ago. i thought they were going to be out lot alone with land mines and other things. look at the landline bullet for ocean, you know, kind of a cleaning up that area of the world for the next 20 years. there's like we're doing in vietnam, we're still cleaning up vietnam from them. land mines and other munitions that are in the law for 12 and 13 year olds, lose arms,

hands and legs almost weekly in vietnam. still, we've got a little bit of head way going on right now, but that's, that's the detritus of being powers wars. that's the detritus of america's work. and all of this so that lockheed martin in raytheon and groman and a host of other defense companies can make built the loop or all these weapons as to what is the last throw the dice, or i don't know you're in virginia, maybe your neighbors know is it or is it part of the escalation once they said only helmets to the green war, then it was, you know, vis or that missile that it was patriots that it was tanks and now it's f sixteens . that is the cost of them. the last in that line or does it go further? i hope it doesn't go any further out. it doesn't even go that far. i will. oddly enough around easily enough. i live amongst some of the type needs. general dynamics lockey. this is one of the richest it not be rich is counties in america. and it is so largely because of the lawyers for and the ceo's and c o is the

weapons engine should bring your neighbors in for the next time we do the interview . i'd love to have coffee with them some day, but they don't offer you the likes with me now. i'm just driving around this area. well, tell you what's happening just driving around america and look at looking at military bases. will tell you what's happening. cosmo haul's, i've never seen so much money spent on the military. they don't know where to spend it. they haven't got a clue how to spend all of this money. so they weren't up at the end of each fiscal year with billions left over that they haven't spent, this is obscene, but we're doing it because we're increasing the profits astronomically these people who run these merchants of death companies. i mean, do the neighbors have ukraine flags out? they've, they've subsided in wisdom capitalizing in your a, but people say there's a lot of money in the letter in the hamptons, but in that virginia maryland area,

since the ukraine. they're not too many flags out. now. they're worse, i'm in the beginning, i think the american people basically are waking up to the fact that something is wrong here. and that this war is gone on too long. at the same time though, you have profits generated and no blood, that's the best of all possible world for the c, e ocean. these people run these arms companies. they are not killing any americans . and yet they're making a fortune off the weapons that are sold into this conflict. and that's the best of all possible yours for them. you sit down at a, at a shareholder meeting. you say ladies in german, ladies and gentlemen, businesses good wars, good. we're making pro, if it's the. yeah, and you're getting your share price, you're getting what you want. you're getting your dividends and services is great until it ends. and it ends badly if we but china to one side, the next war. that's the open lead being talked about. would trump in the war in

ukraine? that's a good question. he would say you would, but like all the other words, he said he was going to an adult. he would do it. he didn't initiate any. you know, the republican party is buried in this oligarchy that i spoke of. so is the democratic party, whether it's chuck schumer or standing, or whomever, obviously are as k, junior is also running, but opposed to the war. the republican party from mitch mcconnell on there, they're buried in this complex. they get re elected because of this complex and the money provided them by this complex. so he could do certainly more than any main democratic contender. i just don't, i don't see my main problem with the trunk beside so many others that you would know it is he's not as smart as he says he is. and he doesn't understand how the government works and he doesn't understand that draining

a small means you have to go in, grab the alligators by the neck and show them to the pieces he's, he's afraid to do. the people are hard. people are afraid of doing that. kind of thing, i think a young has a lot of thoughts about it. we've had examples of what happens when you speak on draining the swamp. maybe your what we're going to see examples of what happens to people. i don't know, just find the on west in your of, i mean is a, as i said, germany was in recession of is that the region of the planet just going to decline the geopolitically economically? culturally? i don't think so. you've got, you know, roughly 700000000 with a g d p. that's equivalent of ours $20.00 to $23.00 trillion dollars back. i'm going to get the grain, of course, is not going to get the rain from the blacks, the grain, the rich countries of europe. you know, factor out the 140000000 russians and you have a significant schism there. that's kind of caused a problem at least those from the urals to the west. they ought to be

a part of this, your opinion too. but if it ever gets his political life together and i know that's a huge you know, um they probably will be the power to reckon with in the future now that is from 2 to aspects of their future. i think one, they probably have the best handle on the climate crisis of any other region in the world and to they have that economic potential. if they could bring the russians back in. europe could be whole and politically sound. and that's a big if i know, i think they'd be the power point in the world and maybe they can lead the rest of the world in the confrontation of the climate process. is it going to happen? is there's war going to asunder that possibility for at least a decade or so. it well could. and that's a tragedy. and there again, the blame will be laid at the feet of washington, london, burrow in all the capitals that simply couldn't get their act together. and stop

this war. shopping is more would be really simple. if you just sat down and thought about it, and you didn't, but the old guard, so the war industry route your day. all you have to do is start talking kinda larry wilkinson tag here. fairly. that's over the show will be back on monday with the full i'm a director of the can you as you corruption commission, professor po number ahead of next week's rush advocate summit. but until then you can keep in touch while i social media. if it's not sensitive in your country and head to a general going on the run tv on rumbles, they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see monday, the the the to

do thinking for to know what to keep this key and what i'm looking for that. yeah, cuz i was, i'm, i'm with a gun that or boulder where you well, but i'm here but i didn't get that going. there's a possibility to store my one, but i think now i think most public enough for me to send them. yeah, i'm sure it's not that you must be doing to phone go to the other. remember, it's all about correct because most of them, but it's all about the different the

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered. i'm, peter will, about american voters are rarely interested in foreign policy during election cycles. that said, the issue of ukraine may be the exception this time round, particularly among g o. p voters, much of the republican base, a sour dumb ukraine policy. they see it as vitamins war

the discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess, door to send you what are we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and in lisbon we crossteck, like morris is host of the redacted news podcast and a former fox news baker. gentleman cross stock raising the fact that needs to get him to be time one. and i always appreciated by george in budapest, it was very interesting how over the last few weeks out of the ukraine policies played out in the us presidential election. but having said that, a foreign minister lobrado said on the last new cycle, which i think is quite interesting said, we know what we're fighting for. what is the bike and ministration binding for a very good question. as far as one can tell, is fighting for the right to keep the wall going in definitely. um is doing good business for us. um is the manufactured and it's getting russians. honest.

lindsey graham same is the best money i ever spent. you know, the reference of buying, so i that tool is the only strategic objectives of it. is it possible to do some in the case of a bite? and i mean, when it comes to the republicans office, they, they're all the, the neo cons. and there is donald trump and trump himself. however, as always, has been ambiguous so many he's not quite sure. does he want to be the tough guy who's going to, you know, stand on the boat and bring this was minutes? or does he want to be the piece make a will finally uh, you know, be, deliver what everyone if obviously wants to, is bringing it both ways. and this happened during his presidency with me. and when you tried to sit on 2 stools, trying to use a full in between the you know, clean. it's very interesting looking at the main stream media coverage of the conflict in ukraine and it's,

it's about 99.9 percent in one direction. but at the same time, you have a lot of people and if you look in alternative media and the pod cast and whatnot is almost the reverse, there's in an enormous amount of skepticism in this skepticism is only getting more intense as people actually learn more about the context of the conflict, your thoughts? i, i agree with you. i think that there's been an awakening when we were covering at the beginning of the war and drawing attention to this is not just started in february. this goes back many, many years. there's a lot of context here. let's talk about victoria newland. let's talk about all of the pieces under the obama administration that were put in place to get us to this point. the expansion of nato, and people would say, no, no, you can't talk about that. we were band unblocked in censored and taken off youtube and now being there. so what is that we, we, you know, you know how it goes, right? so you've, you've been expand now. i think there's this awakening, this unfolding. and even just among, i know anecdotes right, really don't fly,

but even like among friends who are sort of, well, maybe had, you know, ukrainian flags flying or, or, or pulled up in their, their, their twitter bios. you've seen a removal of that. you've seen flags removed just even going around portugal, other parts of europe, where you've had all of these flags and subway stops and, and billboards. and everything had been removed. and i think there's a growing awareness, and i think it's starting to trickle into the main stream. and i'm encouraged by that. it's a i like when people become educated. yeah, yeah. but it's sometimes it's really hard to get it out there. if it doesn't charge, i mean we, you, we could all be very skeptical here and take a step back. okay. so the bike and administration is for the war, overwhelmingly, the trump is against vitamin. so support trump, you see what i mean? how it kind of plays that, that plays into that because it's clayton is mentioned, you know, the more you're educated about this, the more questions that are, that are brought up. but then there's also a political wedge issue i'm against base because he's for the i think there is part

of that as well. george. yes. uh without question. and uh, and i think that's the problem. there's originally but with chrome and, and his acolytes is that they're constantly attacking by them. but it's not clear always what are they attacking by them full because some of them are attacking buying but not doing, you know, do i have a ukraine? and and drum says what it wouldn't have happened if i were president because i was so talk then, you know, bulging with the dad to do anything with me and, and so, so it, uh, the difficult thing however, is i may, i, i agree with the weights and is that there is the public perception of ukraine is very different from the perception of the foreign policy making. you lead the policy making. your lead is absolutely gone home in supporting the ukraine. but because i think you've greenville, when they just want to go on bleeding,

russia, however, the public, as you know, as, as nobody knows who is the best thing about that. well, the polls show that there's no in susie, as on board the, you know, no way do you see any demonstrations against russia? um, it's just costing a lot of money and i think that point is saving into people's consciousness to say we're spending all this money on the landscape. how come, you know, we go ahead and, you know, there's no money, but this is no money for health care. no money but dental care, whatever. but does it promptly infinite amounts of money? but uh, as soon as get the question that is, how do we get to some kind of democratic accountability. so let's get the public view. oh, we'll, we'll do back. we'll get to that with the war powers act, images, pay the past this time of the 2nd half of the program. i claim that i get george gave us a wonderful segue into the self destruction of mike pens by tucker carlson, which is very interesting is because, you know, as i said in my introduction, you know, much of the republican base is souring on this here. but not the leads,

and this is one of the things that george and i have talked about a lot over ever since the conflicts started this iteration of meaning and february of last year. is that now we're seeing the real start difference between well, the establishment and everybody else? well, it was interesting to watch tuckers is this the ration of a lot of these candidates over the past few days and you really, you're absolutely right about it. there's this dichotomy between the people in the audience and the sort of automaton sewer up on stage mike pen speaking, we're, we're the perfect perfect robot, right? the neoconservative robot. and i think one interesting narrative emerged when you watched all of those interviews. it was this idea of we can walk and chew gum at the same time. and so they're having this very narrow debate right now. biden is too slow to get, gets into ukraine. we would do it more quickly and that's literally the spatter. yeah, that's the spectrum, you know, and,

and so there is no daylight at all between democrats and republicans, but you have this audience sitting there saying, wait a minute. why are we sending billions of dollars into this vacuum cleaner? that's ukraine. why are we doing this? when our bridges are collapsing in the united states, when we have a fit and all crisis pouring across our borders, when, if people can't afford the rent and they're working harder for less money is the us dollar continues to be the value. so it's amazing to watch this disconnect, but georgia definitely right. there is an absolute thirst for continuing the military industrial complex in the united states and just follow the money. and all of those mansions that pop up around washington dc. they're all fueled by the military industrial complex and defense contractor. so the money is just pouring into washington d. c. and then of course you'll have this you will fall here and next week. and the