let me know, look, this is the right policy. we are succeeding year. i know presidents not least the, the one use of the we have, well, i mean, we all know what happened to the intelligence that gotten through to him and what happened in iraq. is it that they have good spies, exceptional spies and most co, that gives them the confidence that could be a part of the, you know, my phrase for the current crew is winton, blinking, not nudge. and that's why i said that on this program to you in touch me, i just, i just don't give them a lot of brain power credit. um and the people who are pushing them to be behind them actually making the decisions or, or seeing the influence and make some decisions. i'll give them a lot of credit for thinking about our future and our posterity either. you know, our country now is one by the point 001 percent, who own about the g, d p, equivalent of brazil in their personal family fortunes. these are the people that

make the decisions. i want alarms me about them and i've had a long discussion with a number of people who agree with me and don't agree with me that this is a very, very mysterious factor. that is to say, they don't give a damn about the future. they just care about their shareholder prices, their stock prices, they care about making more billions on top of the billions they already have. and they don't seem to have any regard whatsoever for even their own boss dirty as an extremely dangerous situation when you get people like that, influence in those who are in power and those in power are not all that competent. and they have any concerns of the future. it's a mystery to us. we can explain it. we do not understand why these people do not have any interest, even in their own future, in the future of their grandchildren in the future, their children. they have no interest in the future, they only have interest in the present and in money. okay. any day i'll give you

don't care about the environment. if they destroyed the north stream, i understand that you agree with the site share, that it was the by the ministration that destroyed it. why do you think the, the, by the ministration was so confident, there be no retaliation, rushes at all. they will be consequences for that destruction of the pipeline that we spend millions of dollars of german and, and russian money. but there hasn't really been a reaction to it. i think there'll be a long term consequence. and i think people think strategically, and i'm not quite sure the mirror does, but i think he does, or at least he has some people around him to do. if he thinks strategically, the germans aren't going to tolerate this much longer. and if you're talking about the heart of late in europe, you're talking about germany, germany, germany, germany. and if you eliminate germany, if, if germany suddenly decides they are not best served by fuel that comes in, that is far more content 0 than the fuel that we're getting from russia far more

expensive. but this is not really what they want for a future. and we're also been doing their both arms behind their back trying to break them away from china, which is nonsense. i mean, break germany away from china, the engine of the european economy away from the engine of the world economy. you gotta be kidding me. and yet that's what we're trying to do. this whole business with ukraine, if you find the root cause of the belief of the bad and the crew is to reestablish us in germany which was slipping over europe. they will figure that out sooner or later. especially the germans and then it's katie bar the door we're going to be in trouble because the alliance is going to shatter. and the trans atlantic relationship with kind of larry wilkinson. i'll stop use that more from the former chief of staff to us secretary of state colin powell after this break the

pieces the youngest as of today because there's a lot of censorship on many companies in schools. the thoughts of just the migration topic, to my impression it went on with the climate change, gone back, it went on to send them a call. you see it's, i mean, there was no, there was no way of debate. it was either or the s. and now it's about russia and it's about yes, we have to fight the russia and russia has to be taken off the map the

the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with their time kind of mary wilkerson, the cheapest off to us extra said call him about to thank you so much for what you were saying in part one, it was fascinated to hear that not only do you agree with the fact that north the stream was a by no administration operation, because we've had the on the secretaries of the navy on the show and of moscow station. they never said that the north stream was a bite and administration to or an attack,

but you're talking about nato and it's problems. i mean, was the villainy of someone could be one of the last summons we see of. it's kind, it might not be last. we are a great at war mongering what you seem to be the most adept country in the world at it. as a matter of fact, which justifies the fact we're supposed to be in democracy and care about things like human rights and such. but in bushes administration, george w bush, i figured that out by 2004, it really is done me. it took a while, we didn't give a damn about any of those things. so we use those things as sugar coding. we use those things for both international audiences and our own domestic audience as sugar coding. we don't care about freedom, we don't care about democracy. what we care about is power and money, money and power that sums up america today. and that sums up what our war instrument is for, including nuclear weapons. it's a sad commentary, and yet it is a true commentary. and i'll argue with anyone that wants to argue about it till the

cows come home. that, that's our purpose today. more is a profitable business and we are in profits. that's why we're selling weapons. that's why we're doing what we're doing and you crying. and anyone who tries to sign any other reason to it is just simply much that's what's happening. and the same thing about it is we have now, drugs are essentially $700000000.00 plus europeans into it who will figure it out sooner or later. and then we're going to have a bridge and let's see the world divided into the european union, trying to get his political life together. china, in the united states, in the, you know, trying to figure which one to go to in any pivot point and make a quarter of the world's population of people. and that's going to be a multiple world par extra long. and we're going to be stuck in the rear end of that world about 90 percent of the time. if we don't stop and get our act together,

not to mention is that the climate change is gonna eat our lunch is already eating our lunch. i've just come back from out west, if you wanna walk down the street because there's nothing but smoke all the time. asked new york or from the smoke coming down from canada. asked people who are looking at water situations. they're simply existential for them. and fighting with other states out west trying to figure out who's going to get the water that's left . this is a crisis that if we know confront right now this minute and do it intelligently and confidently forget it. well really well if, if vitamin was responsible for new and stream, clearly climate change is something the policy, if it's coming is to increase. but in fairness to us media and obviously, and the less than your, i mean use officially, all media descent on ukraine is bad. there's, there's actually official censorship in front of us to you asked me do you i don't

normally say that, you know, we've had daniel's budwani died recently. literally he heard him say that and you are trying to expedite julian designs right now from london. us major is beginning to call it a proxy war the ukraine. more. do you notice that sometimes that somehow the united states circle mainstream corporate media is starting to latch onto the arguments you've been making since february and since 2014, it would have to be a taste as a granite rock. not too. and they'd have to begin to understand that, well, we keep up on this thing more longer and we're going to lose what little readership we have left. because the american people don't figure out sooner or later too. if you're looking at a situation where the united states is going to be sending, spending is already spending. if we talk about national security rather than the armed forces, a trillion dollars a year, you're looking at

a $30.00 to $33.00 trillion dollar aggregate debt. the interest payments of which will consume pluses and advanced budget, all of the discretionary federal spending about 2030, maybe earlier. that's the congressional budget office prediction. you can keep doing that. you simply can't keep doing it. why are we able to do it now? we're able to do it now because the oil is denominated, preferably in dollars, and because we have a military that will smash anybody or sanction anybody or most who objects that cannot persist, it simply cannot continue and we're bankrupt for all practical purposes. if we have to pay our debt tomorrow, the interest payments on that debt alone are going to bankrupt us because we have to pay the debt in aggregate. sorry, you're not going to do that and people don't quit by our debt around the world. and that's going to be dramatic, is coming, and it's all coming at a time when much, or what we do have in terms of resources that are viable,

should be aimed at meeting the climate crisis. well, something some say it's speeding up, but clearly, you know, it is still the federal. uh it is still the world currency. so we won't have to wait just a little bit, but then so all the cost of bombs. and as a military man, you probably know more about cluster bombs and then i do, i mean, is that a loss? throw the dice, the cluster bombs being sent to boys damage and kill and maim future generations of children and your gram or orderly obscene. just like using depleted, you rent uranium rounds and in and around baghdad, we've got a cash right there around for lose you and elsewhere. now interact it out, strips any cancer, right? including children and i have just to drop the bridge. government has depleted uranium is completely safe. right. uh huh. and i've, i've got some swampland in florida. i'll sell the british government. this is stupid to do this sort of thing. they should have been out loud long time ago. i

thought they were gonna be out. lot along with land mines and other things to look into. why am i am bullet for ocean? okay, we're gonna be cleaning up that area of the world for the next 20 years. just like we're doing in vietnam, we're still cleaning up vietnam from them. land mines and other munitions that are in vietnam 12 and 13 year olds, lose arms, hands and legs almost weekly in vietnam. still, we've got a little bit of head way going on right now, but that's, that's the detritus of the empires. wars, that's the detritus of america's war and all of this. so the lockheed martin and raytheon and groman and a host of other defense companies can make built the loop are off these weapons as to what is the last throw the die. so i don't know you're in virginia and maybe your neighbors know, is it or is it part of the escalation? once they said only helmets to the green war, then it was, you know, vis or that missile that it was patriots that it was tanks. and now it's f sixteens that is the cost of them the last in that line or does it go further?

i hope it doesn't go any further. i hope it doesn't even go that far. i live oddly enough, around easily enough. i live amongst some of the type each general dynamics lockey . this is one of the richest, if not be rich as counties in america. and it is so largely because of the lawyers for m a. c e o is and c. o is the weapons industry bring your neighbors in for the next time. we do the interview. i loved to have coffee with them sunday, but they don't offer you the likes with me. now i'm just driving around this area will tell you what's happening just driving around america and look at looking at military bases. will tell you what's happening. cosmo haul's, i've never seen so much money spent on the military. they don't know where to spend it. they haven't got a clue how to spend all of this money, so they weren't over at the end of each fiscal year with billions left over that they haven't spent is obscene. but we're doing it because we're increasing the

profits astronomically these people who run these merchants of death companies. i mean, do the neighbors have ukraine flags? so they've, they've subsided in wisdom capital is in, in your a. but people say there's a lot of money in the letter in the hamptons, but in that virginia, maryland area, since the ukraine. they're not too many flags out now. they're worse. i'm in the beginning. i think the american people basically are waking up to the fact that something's wrong here, and that this war is gone on too long. at the same time though, you have profits generated and no blood, that's the best of all possible world for the c, e ocean. these people who run these arms companies, they are not killing any americans. and yet they're making a fortune off the weapons that are sold into this conflict. and that's the best of all possible. yes. or there. you sit down at a, at a shareholder meeting. you say ladies and german, ladies and gentlemen, businesses,

good wars, good. we're making pro, if it's i have to. yeah. and you're getting your share price, you're getting what you want, you're getting your dividends and services is great until it ends. and it ends badly if we but china to one side, the next war that's openly being talked about would trump and the war in ukraine. that's a good question. he would say you would. but like all the other words, he said he was going to an adult, he would do it. he didn't initiate any. you know, the republican party is buried in this oligarchy that i spoke of. so is the democratic party, whether it's chuck schumer or standing away, or whomever, obviously are as k, junior is also running, but opposed to the war. the republican party from mitch mcconnell on there, they're buried in this complex. they get re elected because of this complex and the money provided them by this complex. so he could do certainly more than any main

democratic contender. i just don't, i don't see my main problem with the trunk. beside so many others that you would know. it is, he's not as smart as he says he is, and he doesn't understand how the government works. and he doesn't understand that draining a small means you have to go in, grab the alligators by the neck and show them to the pieces he's, he's afraid to do. the people are hard. people are afraid of doing that kind of thing. i think a young has a lot of tell us about it. we've had examples of what happens when you speak on draining the swamp. maybe your what we're going to see examples of what happens to people. i don't know, just find the on west in your of, i mean is a, as i said, germany was in recession of is that the region of the planet just going to decline the geopolitically economically? culturally? i don't think so. you've got, you know, roughly 700000000 with a g d p. that's equivalent of ours. $2223.00 trillion dollars. that's all going to

get. the grain of course, is not going to get the grain from the blacks, the grain, the rich countries of europe, you know, factor out the $140000000.00 russians and you have a significant schism. there. that is kind of caused a problem at least those from the urals to the west. they ought to be a part of this, your opinion too. but if it ever gets his political life together and i know that's like huge, you know, um they probably will be the power to reckon with in the future now that is from 2 to aspects of their future. i think one, they probably have the best handle on the climate crisis of any other region in the world and to they have that economic potential. if they could bring the russians back in. europe could be whole and politically sound. and that's a big if i know, i think they'd be the power point in the world and maybe they can lead the rest of

the world in the confrontation of the climate process. or is it going to happen? is this war going to asunder that possibility for at least a decade or so? it well could, and that's a tragedy. and there again, the blame will be laid at the feet of washington, a london burrow in all the capitals. i'd simply couldn't get their act together and stop this war. shopping is more would be really simple if you just sat down and thought about it, and you didn't, but the old guard, so the war industry route your day. all you have to do is start talking kinda larry wilkinson. thank there. really or that's over the show will be back on monday with the full. i'm a director of a kenya and g corruption commission. professor po number ahead of next week's rush advocate summit. but until then, you can keep in touch while i social media, if it's not sensitive in your country and head to a general going on, going to be on ramble. don't com, to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see you monday, the

the lease of the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community. most all sense and the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia cruising and split the r t spoke neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services for the question, did you say steven twist, which is the

top floor, is this all i need full people of dead and 20 mode? practiced golden rules and gushes from the bus 5 moscow shopping center the russian devised them is the cause, the kidding of a long course going by putting in cross the several colleagues that didn't get an understanding of the fact. the white income country gets out around $0.41 and, and there is to the need to come to the states as the last. the last is a out of puts in the black c, v lose. i'm being totally un, only 3 percent of those weight on the agreement ring stop. okay. just like the initial plan having as called different goals and the fix to

the wrong as people protest against swedish officials the whole through was the end of the vandals, be the funding to colorado the is just going to 5 pm here in the russian capital. welcome wherever you'll catching the news out from today across the globe. this is ok. now we begin with news here in moscow, a full people uh confirm that schools of people are reported injured. the casualty that could win a pipe burst at the season's shopping center in the south west of moscow. now for laura this, let's get the details now from our correspondent and donal closer. who is that done to us? what do we know sofa while moran, i'm here on the scene as you said,

where this hot water pipe explosion took place inside the small scale shopping while you can see behind me. and it filled most of the building with hot steam, according to media reports, at least 4 people have died as a result of this tragedy. so far and around 70 people have been injured, 3 of which i've already been hospitalized. and at least 20 people are still trapped inside this building. you can see around me that emergency services have arrived on the scene to help the injured, who have not been hospitalized and evacuate personnel and people who work in that shopping mall. as you can see, to my left side there over there, sitting on the ground right now, and they're also trying still to rescue the people that are inside. like i said, 20 people are still trapped inside the shopping mall. they're mainly located on the 3rd floor and in the food port of the building. and we've even got reports that one person is trapped between the 3rd and 2nd floors where unfortunately,

emergency services cannot get to them. because of the fact that there's so much hot water steam blocking their entrance to that area. so this is still a developing story of course that just recently took place. information is coming in, minute by minute and we're going to bring you all the details as we get them. excellent, thanks dawn quarter that i'll see correspondence looking forward for the update. thanks again. now to the front line where russian all corresponding list is live is your overall has been killed in a put in shutting that also left several of his colleagues in good at about noon ukrainian units launched an artillery attack on a group of journalists from these vista news agency and the re, i know of us the news agency or preparing reports on ukraine's artillery, showing of settlements in his upper rose your region with cluster munitions. as a result of a strike with cluster munitions for journalists were wounded in varying degrees of

severity. around midday, on such a group of just came under attack from ukrainian on forties. now we understand that they were traveling in a call and that's not for roseville region where they had been investigating the ukrainian use of custom emissions because these controversial weapons are being supplied by the united states. now, the russian defense ministry has confirmed that those 2 and this came on to find themselves from the very cluster munitions that they were investigated to know a number of goodness, helping wounded. they were rushed to hospital and very sadly, as we heard, watches, love, a jewel of a refund of us. me will correspondence was killed in the attack and the number of others have been wounded to varying degrees on the head of his upper rose. your region has pay tribute to the wall correspondence. this young talented guy spoke the truth from the very 1st day. he covered real life in his broad she region was

on the front line more than once present the new men and military man and did not stand the sight of civilians needed help. today he died at the hands of king of nonsense. i express my deepest condolences to his family and friends, cool through this whole place, thought decision by the united states to supply the controversial costs of munitions on the closer scrutiny. but of course, it is not the 1st time that you cried. new forces have attract john this uh we heard uh most recently the assassination attempt with the parts to til the head of our team all got a to simon. yeah. and that was covered by the russian intelligence services. last year cools, perhaps most notoriously dear duke and i was killed in a call bomb explosion in moscow. now geneva convention, protexture and the so to attack them is i will climb butts. uh, many of these many such attacks like this and the killing

a wounding and targeting of june. this has a post without remark, without comment from many of the weld press freedom organizations, which is perhaps on surprising considering the largest of those are generally funded by the us state department, us side on the national endowment for democracy. of course, well king, it was, or is it dangerous occupation, but many of those are being targeted outside of the was own and that helped by the marriage, bullets website which is essentially a kill it. so you create new toners, but it is hosted in langley, virginia, which is the home of the a, c i. but once again, we can see that the training and forces are simply ignoring international law as they continue to act with impunity. the ice foot. so ralph c name i o, the gentleman, a 70 and constitutional position group, who says, inquiring for is a pass and why it's asking people with full thing on kids deeds

a dave last of july. so for us to have left to arrest is tragic. and he is not the 1st one, it probably will not be the last one. who as a john and his colleague has to be a want. i mean, this is terrible and my, my thoughts of it to his family and, and his colleagues and friends. but unfortunately, yes, truth is always the 1st victim in the conflict that is a famous saying, and i'm seeing a certain pattern here that especially the ukrainians are now trying eagerly to a tech people who could report on what they are actually doing. the only a small allowance of the grant ex, folded from the plane on the black sea initiative ever reached the country's most in need of food claim most i'm being made on the un security council. the save,

all the money must go, has repeatedly made in the past. according to you in that, i don't want to say 3 percent of export on the brakes. the deal is going to too low income countries. why i income come through to get around 45 percent, and there is to be need income states. the un security council can beamed and many countries spoke prior to russia speaking a lot of the allegations were level. and as we're reaching towards the end of the meeting, after a number of security council members have spoken, we heard deputy and passengers, dimitri pull yancey. then go ahead and do bach. many of the fingers that were pointed at rush and men of the allegations that were made here, some of what he said, we might notice was we listened carefully to your statements and were again struck by the degree of cynicism of the western members of the security council, i have

a question for you. what did you actually expect from the very 1st days we drew everyone's attention to the fact that the initiative ceases to correspond to the originally stated goal? however, no steps have been taken to correct this trend. when we agree to the deal and heard calls to joint forces for global security, we expected an end to discrimination on the part of western states which imposed unprecedented sanctions against us. actually trying to organize a blockade against our industries. the grain deal was important, not in our interest, but in the interest of the countries of the world there are most in need. now, throughout the meeting, the allegation was repeated. that blame was sorely on the shoulders of russia for the great brain deals failure. and now, when the russian deputy ambassadors spoke, he pointed out the rush, it was willing to restore the deal if you brain with the oldest and of the bargain in the brush. i had extend of the deal many times. now it was important to note

that china spoke up and showed us not the whole world seems to by end of this logic and that they do indeed understand like other forces around the world understands that this green d. busy is a 2 way street rather than a one way street. here's what china had to say. i don't have a heat rush. so how does the repeated mistake it in recent days that it is willing to concede receiving the black sea grain any such? if you have substantive progress can be made and they only made an opposite goes through process export of grain and fertilizers, china homes, that relevant policies will act and maintain international food security and alleviating the food crisis in developing countries. in particular, by working with relevant to you and agencies to strength and di, look and consultations missing each other half way. striving for a balance solution with the legitimate concerns of all parties to resume the exports of grain and so to lies from russia. now, polanski pointed.