i hired for everything we're talking about that we want to stop with the ukraine wars. the primary example right now, killing people, displacing people knocking them out of their homes. we can't make this normal activity, and yet i'm seeing it becoming that in doctrine, in doctrine also leads action. or is it that what gives confidence to blinking state department and the other people in control there in, in washington? is it what gives them confidence their intelligence services? do they have good spies in moscow? letting them know, look, this is the right policy. we all have succeeding year. i know. presidents not least the, the one use of the very well, i mean, we all know what happened to the intelligence they've gotten through to him. and what happened in iraq is it that they have good spies, exceptional spies, and most co, the give them the confidence that could be a part of the, you know, my phrase for the current crew is lincoln blinking not nudge. and that's why i said

that on this program to you in touch me, i just, i just don't give them a lot of brain power credit. um and the people who are pushing them to be behind them actually making the decisions or, or seeing the influence and make some decisions. i'll give them a lot of credit for thinking about our future and our posterity either in our country now as one by the point 001 percent of the own, about the g d p, equivalent of brazil in their personal family fortunes. these are the people that make the decisions. i want alarms me about them and i've had a long discussion with a number of people who agree with me and don't agree with me that this is a very, very mysterious factor. that is to say, they don't give a damn about the future. they just care about their shareholder prices, their stock prices. they care about making more billions on top of the billions

they already have. and they don't seem to have any regard whatsoever for even their own posterity. it's an extremely dangerous situation when you get people like that, influencing those who are in power and those in power are not all that competent. and they have any concerns of the future. it's a mystery to us, we can explain it. we do not understand why these people do not have any interest, even in their own future, in the future of their grandchildren in the future, their children, they have no interest in the future. they only have interest in the present and in money. okay. any day i'll give you don't care about the environment. if they destroyed the north stream, i understand that you agree with the site share that it was the by the administration that destroyed it. why do you think the by the ministration was so confident, there be no retaliation, rushes at all. they will be consequences for that destruction of the pipeline that was spent millions of dollars of german and, and russian money. but that hasn't really been

a reaction to it. i think there'll be a long term consequence. and i think people who think strategically, and i'm not quite sure the mirror does, but i think he does, or at least he has some people around him to do. if he thinks strategically, the germans aren't going to tolerate this much longer. if you're talking about the heart of nato in europe, you're talking about germany, germany, germany, germany. and if you eliminate germany, if, if germany suddenly decides they are not best or by fuel that comes in, that is far more content 0 than the fuel that we're getting from russia far more expensive. but this is not really what they want for a future. and we're also been doing their both arms behind their back trying to break them away from china, which is nonsense. i mean, break germany away from china, the engine of the european economy away from the engine of the world economy. you gotta be kidding me. and yet that's what we're trying to do. this whole of business

with ukraine, if you find the root cause of the belief of the bad and the crew is to reestablish us in germany which was slipping over europe. they'll figure that out sooner or later. especially the germans and then it's katie bar of the door. we're going to be in trouble because the alliance is going to shatter and the trans atlantic relationship with a kind of larry wilkinson. i'll stop you there. more from the former chief of staff to us secretary of state colin powell after this break. the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk to

me is the aggressive today i'm authorized is additional strong sanction today rush was the country with the most sanctions imposed against it, a number of those constantly growing. but i think the switch of the seniors just click on that. let me just say the most the more in the world will shift for banning all important show of russian oil and gas news. high suffering, the price for another country. hope all's well. we're going to, it's just the fed service involved. the little joe bites in, imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's a boomerang the the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with their tag, connel sorry wilkinson the cheapest off to us extra said calling about to thank you

so much for what you were saying in part one, it was fascinated to hear that not only do you agree with the fact that north the stream was a by no administration operation because we've had the on the secretaries of the navy on the show and of moscow station, they never said that the north stream was a bite and administration to or an attack. but you're talking about nato and it's problems. i mean was the only, as someone could be one of the last summits we see of its kind it might not be last . we are a great at war mongering what you seem to be the most adept country in the world at it. as a matter of fact, which justifies the fact we're supposed to be in democracy and care about things like human rights and such, but in bushes administration, george w bush, i figured that out by 2004, it really is done me. it took a while, we didn't give a damn about any of those things, so we use those things as sugar coding. we use those things for both international

audiences and our own domestic audience as sugar coding. we don't care about freedom, we don't care about democracy. what we care about is power and money, money and power, that sums up america today. and that sums up what our war instrument is for, including nuclear weapons. it's a sad commentary, and yet it is a true commentary. and i'll argue with anyone that was argue about it till the cows come home. that's our purpose today. moore is a profitable business, and we are in profits. that's why we're selling weapons. that's why we're doing what we're doing and you crying. and anyone who tries to sign any other reason to it is just simply much that's what's happening. and the same thing about it is we have now drugs are essentially $700000000.00 plus europeans and into it who will figure it out sooner or later. and then we're going to have a bridge and let's see the world divided into the european union,

trying to get his blood with a live together. china, the united states is trying to figure which one to go to in any pivot point and make a quarter of the world's population of people. and that's going to be a multiple world par extra long, and we're going to be starting the rear end of that world about 90 percent of the time. if we don't stop and get our act together, not to mention is that the climate change is going to eat our lunch is already eating our lunch. i've just come back from out west. you want to walk down the street birds. there's nothing but smoke all the time, asked new york or from the smoke coming down from canada, asked people who are looking at water situations. they're simply existential for them. and fighting with other states out with trying to figure out who's going to get the water that's left. this is a crisis that if we know confront right now this minute and do it intelligently and

competently forget it. well really well if, if vitamin was responsible, if i knew i'd stream, clearly climate change is something the policy, if it's coming is to increase. but in fairness to us media and obviously in the west and your, i mean use officially, whole media descent on ukraine is, is bad. there's, there's actually official censorship in front of us to us means you, i don't normally say that. um, you know, we've had down ellsberg gone, he died recently. literally he heard him say that and you are trying to extradite julian hassan is right now from london. us major is beginning to call it a proxy war the ukraine. more. do you notice that sometimes that somehow the united states circle mainstream corporate media is starting to latch onto the arguments you've been making since february and since 2014 they have to be

a to says a granite rock not to and they have to begin to understand that, well, we keep up on this thing more longer and we're going to lose what little leadership we have left. because the american people then figure out, sooner or later too. if you're looking at a situation where the united states is going to be sending, spinning is already spending. if we talk about national security rather than the armed forces, a trillion dollars a year, you're looking at a $30.00 to $33.00 trillion dollar aggregate debt. the interest payments of which will consume, plus the defense budget, all of the discretionary federal spending by 2030, maybe earlier. that's the congressional budget office prediction. you can keep doing that. you simply can't keep doing it. why are we able to do it now, we're able to do it now because the oil is denominated principal in dollars. and because we have a military that will smash anybody or sanction anybody, or most who objects that cannot persist, is simply cannot continue. and we're bankrupt for all practical purposes. if we

have to pay our debt tomorrow, the interest payments on that debt alone are going to bankrupt us. but if you have to pay the debt in aggregate, sorry, you're not going to do that. and people don't quit by our debt around the world, and that's going to be dramatic, is coming and it's all coming at a time when much or what we do have in terms of resources that are viable, should be aimed at meeting the common crisis. well, something some say it's speeding up, but clearly, you know, it is still the federal. uh it is still the world currency. so we won't have to wait just a little bit, but then so all the cost of bombs. and as a military man, you probably know more about cluster bombs and then i do, i mean, is lost through the dice, the cluster bombs being sent to boys damage and kill and maim future generations of children and your gram. utterly obscene. just like using depleted,

you ring uranium rounds and in and around baghdad, we've got a cash right there around felicia and elsewhere. now interact it out, strips any cancer, right? including children. and i think just to drop the bridge governments as depleted uranium is completely safe, right? uh huh, and i've, i've got some swamp land in florida. i'll sell the british government. this is stupid to do this sort of thing. they should have been out loud, long time ago. i thought they were going to be out lot alone with land mines and other things. look at the landline bullet for ocean, you're kind of limited cleaning up that area of the world for the next 20 years. just like we're doing in vietnam, we're still cleaning up vietnam from them. land mines and other munitions that are in the law for 12 and 13 year olds, lose arms, hands and legs almost weekly in vietnam. still, we've got a little bit of head way going on right now, but that's, that's the detritus of the empires. wars, that's the detritus of america's war and all of this. so the lockheed martin and

raytheon and groman and a host of other defense companies can make built the loop or all of these weapons as to what is the last throw the dice or i don't know you're in virginia, maybe your neighbors know, is it or is it part of the escalation, once they said only helmets to the green war, then it was, you know, vis or that missile that it was patriots that it was tanks. and now it's f sixteens . that is the cost of them the last in that line or does it go further to buy over? doesn't go any further out. it doesn't even go that far. i live oddly enough, the router easily enough. i live amongst some of the type needs, general dynamics lockey. this is one of the richest it not be rich is counties in america. and it is so largely because of the lawyers for m a. c e o is and c. o is the weapons industry bring your neighbors in for the next time. we do the interview . i loved to have coffee with them some day, but they don't offer you the likes with me now. i'm just driving around this area.

well, tell you what's happening. just driving around america and look at looking at military bases will tell you what's happening. cosmo haul's, i've never seen so much money spent on the military. they don't know where to spend it. they haven't got a clue how to spend all this money so they weren't over at the end of each fiscal year with billions left over that they haven't spent is obscene. but we're doing it because we're increasing the profits astronomically these people who run these merchants of death companies. i mean, do the neighbors have ukraine flags, so they've, they've subsided in wisdom capitalizing in your a. but people say there's a lot of money in the letter on the hamptons, but in that virginia, maryland area, since the ukraine. they're not too many flags out now. they're worse. i'm in the beginning. i think the american people basically are waking up to the fact that something's wrong here, and that this war is gone on too long. at the same time, the, or you have profits generated and no blood. that's the best of all possible world

for the c e ocean. and these people run these arms companies. they are not killing any americans. and yet they're making a fortune off the weapons that are sold into this conflict. and that's the best of all possible. yes or there you sit down at a, at a shareholder meeting. you say ladies in german, ladies and gentlemen, businesses good wars, good. we're making pro off. is that the? yeah. and you're getting your share price. you're getting what you want. you're getting your dividends and services is great until it ends, and it ends badly. if we put china to one side, the next war, that's openly being talked about with trump and the war in ukraine. that's a good question. he would say you would. but like all the other words, he said he was going to an adult. he would do it. he didn't initiate any. you know, the republican party is buried in this oligarchy that i spoke of. so is the

democratic party, whether it's chuck schumer or standing, or whomever. obviously r s k junior is also running, but opposed to the war. the republican party from mitch mcconnell on there, they're buried in this complex. they get re elected because of this complex and the money provided them by this complex. so he could do certainly more than any main democratic contender. i just don't, i don't see my main problem with trump. besides so many others that you would know it is, he's not as smart as he says he is. and he doesn't understand how the government works. and he doesn't understand that. draining a small means you have to go in, grab the alligators by the neck and show them to the easiest he's, he's afraid to do. the people are all and people are afraid of doing that kind of thing. i think uh, you know, i've had a lot of thoughts about and we've had examples of what happens when you speak on

draining the swamp. maybe your, what we're going to see examples of what happens to people. i don't know, just find the on west and your of, i mean is a, as i said, germany was in recession of the is that the region of the planet just going to decline the geopolitically economically? culturally? i don't think so. you've got, you know, roughly 700000000 with a g d p. that's equivalent of ours. $2223.00 trillion dollars. going to get the grain, of course, is not going to get the rain from the blacks, the green, the rich countries of europe. you know, dr. out the 140000000 russians and you have a significant schism there. that's kind of caused a problem at least those from the urals to the west. they ought to be a part of this your opinion too. but if it ever gets his political life together and i know that's like huge, you know, um they probably will be the power to reckon with in the future now that is

from 2 to aspects of their future. i think one, they probably have the best handle on the climate crisis of any other region in the world and to they have the nomic potential. if they could bring the russians back in. europe could be whole and politically sound and that's a big if i know, i think they'd be the power point in the world and maybe they can lead the rest of the world in the confrontation of the climate crisis. is it going to happen? is this war going to asunder that possibility for at least a decade or so? it well could, and that's a tragedy. and there again, the blame will be laid at the feet of washington to london, burly in all the capitals. i'd simply couldn't get their act together and stop this war. shopping is more would be really simple if you just sat down and thought about it, and you didn't, but the old guard, so the war industry route your day. all you have to do is start talking kind of larry wilkinson. thank. they're fairly,

that's over the show will be back on monday with the full. i'm a director of the can you angie corruption commission, professor po number ahead of next week's rush advocate summit. but until then, you can keep in touch while i social media. if it's not sensitive in your country and to a journal going on, you're going to be on rumble. don't com, to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see monday, the the best pictures, the youngest as of today because there's a lot of that censorship on many topics in schools that start to just the migration topic, to my impression it went on with the climate change call me back. it's fine to understand them a call. you see it's, i mean, there was no, there was no way of debated was ida or, but as of now it's about russia and it's about, yes,

we have to fight russia and pressure has to be taken off the map, the breaking news, hey, on all the international, at least 4 people are dead. golden rule said gosh, is from a bus pipes, but the most go shopping with will correspondent is killed by ukrainian clumps of bones with most this thing that he has on his wasted on supplies. best phone responsibility for the attack. also this out. why our income countries get around 45 percent and deliveries to they need to come to the states as the west lashes out said rush, have a quick thing. the black sea deal most on beaks tells the you when that would be 3 percent of the grain onto that agreements. tweaks to africa, despite the initial plan, having

a phone different goals. the sun during the streets of a road, as people protested, a swedish official port game authorizing a co wrong, the name of the event, the assistant 9 pm here in moscow. and this is on the international with the very latest world news update is great to have you with us in town. we stopped with some a tragic news from here in mosca, west full people have been confirmed that on schools injured. now this occurs with a pipe bust at the seasons shopping center southwest. all this is a tease told course of things as move from the scene a according to emergency services, specifically the firefighters. the situation is now under control after a hot water pipe burst in this small scale mall, which you can see behind me sending hot steam throughout the building according to moscow's may or 4 people were killed. and there,

this is also being investigated. has a case of criminal negligence. now that's according to russia's investigative committee. now media reports of also been saying that dozens of people have been injured around 10 of them have been hospitalized and emergency services had been working on the scene here for a long time. now there wasn't evacuating going on for some time, and we were even able to speak with a couple people who were evacuated from the building. let's take a listen. move easily conclude the steps. i saw people looking alarmed on the 3rd floor where i work. i saw people looking down towards the escalators, we saw a steam rising on, so smell of hot water. i went down to the 1st floor, all the water was on the 1st floor. then i went upstairs and we stood for 15 to 20 minutes. and there was no announcement, no one said anything. people went to the shops and only after 15 to 20 minutes, the guard told us that it was time to go out, close everything and leave quickly. i was very worried and didn't understand why we weren't being evacuated earlier when the burst had just taken place. media reports

were saying that around 20 people were trapped inside the building, mostly on the 3rd floor and in the food court area. but we recently attended a press conference held by the emergency services. they said that the evacuation has been completed and nobody's left inside the building. and right now, the authorities are working in sides to get to the bottom of what caused this pipe burst to the front line in rushes is the photos the region. now, where will correspondent roof this lava should avenue old has been killed by ukrainian showing that also that several of his colleagues wounded. most of his blamed kids on this western sponsor as for the atrocity everything points to the fact that the attack on the journalist group was not a coincidence. the correspondence collected materials for a report on the shelling of the sap rosure regions settlements by key for she militants with cluster munitions which are banned in many countries of the world. those that are supplied to keep by the united states. washington,

along with london in paris, which supply does the landscape regime with long range missiles, only verbally express concerned about the safety of journalist, but in fact, they are sponsors of terrorists. those guilty of the brutal massacre of a russian journalist will in editor, police suffer the punishment they deserve. the entire measure of responsibility will be shared by those who supply their keep proteges with cluster munitions. around midday, on such a group of just came under attack from ukrainian on forties. now we understand that they were traveling in a call and those are for roseville region where they had been investigating the ukrainian use of costing munitions a cool face. controversial weapons are being supplied by the united states. now, the russian defense ministry has confirmed that those 2 and this came on to find themselves from the very cluster munitions that they were investigated to know

a number of doing this. helping wounded, they were rushed to hospital and very sadly, as we heard, well, just love, a jewel of a real know boss, me will correspondence was killed in the attack on the number of others that have been wounded to varying degrees on the head of his upper rose, your region has pay tribute to the wall correspondence. this young talented guy spoke the truth from the very 1st day. he covered real life and his brushy region was on the front line more than once present the new men and military men and did not stand the side of civilians needed help. today he died at the hands of king of nonsense. i express my deepest condolences to his family and friends. cool. so this whole place thought decision by the united states to supply the home to virtual foster munitions on the closer scrutiny. what of course, it is not the 1st time that you cried. new forces have attacked john this uh, we heard a most recently the assassination attempt to the parts to,

to the head of our team all got a to simon. yeah. and that was on covered by the russian intelligence services. last year, recalls, perhaps most notoriously due, gonna was killed in a call bomb explosion in moscow. now geneva convention protexture and the so to attack them is i will climb butts. uh, many of these many such attacks like this and the killing of wounding and targeting of june. this has a paused without remark without comment from many of the weld press freedom organizations, which is perhaps on surprising considering the largest of those of january funded by the us state department us side and the national endowment for democracy. of course, working it was, is it dangerous occupation, but many of those are being targeted outside of the was own and that helped by the mood for its uh website which is essentially a kill it. so you create a new tool is what it is hosted in, langley, virginia, which is the home of the a,

c i. but once again, we can see that the training and forces are simply ignoring international law as they continue to act with impunity. alia, we spoke soon as you on the list and found all the don't boss insider christ on the on. and she says the journalists have been on kids target list for of a 9 years now. so the, since the beginning of the constraint that the generalist are a special targets for you, then you create an army. we have to remember that in 2014, many generally swear cubes by deliberate shillings on their position or of the calls in which they were moving. so unfortunately, for me, it's not to surprise what happens and i'm really sad because i knew what else to solve. i met him last year at the beginning of this special operation. we see that the way problems which are provided to ukraine by the west are more and more, really terrible. i mean, it'd be gone with the lights, with friends,

and now we have cluster immunizations. and once it wouldn't be next, it's really to remote. we know that these close to our munitions are really already bull. i mean, they are killing a lot of civilians. they are staying in the ground for a long period. we have seen that in vietnam where it's to keeping and routine 18 people until now. only a small amounts of degree next voted from ukraine onto the black sea initiative. as of reach the country's most in need of the claim. mozambique made it the un security council, the same arguments. moscow has been repeatedly making in the past, according to you in that around the 53 percent of export on the brakes. the deal. this is going to to low income countries. why i income come through to get around 45 percent, and there is to be need income states. the un security council can be and,

and many countries spoke prior to russia speaking a lot of the allegations were level. and as we're reaching towards the end of the meeting for a number of security council members of spoken, we heard deputy and passengers, dimitri employee and ski. then go ahead and get bock many of the fingers that were pointed at rush and men of the allegations that were made here, some of what he said we might, that were supposed to. we listen carefully to your statements and were again struck by the degree of cynicism of the western members of the security council. i have a question for you. what did you actually expect from the very 1st days we drew everyone's attention to the fact that the initiative ceases to correspond to the originally stated goals? however, no steps have been taken to correct this trend. when we agree to the deal and heard calls to joint forces for global security, we expected an end to discrimination on the part of western states which imposed

unprecedented sanctions against us. actually trying to organize a blockade against our industries. the grain deal was important, not in our interest, but in the interest of the countries of the world there are most in need. now, throughout the meeting, the allegation was repeated. that blame was solely on the shoulders of russia for the great brain deals failure. now, when the russian deputy ambassadors spoke, he pointed out the rush, it was willing to restore the deal. if you brain with the oldest and in the bargain in the rush, i had extended the deal many times. now it was important to note that china spoke up and showed the not the whole world seems to by end of this logic and that they do indeed understand like other forces around the world understand that this green b. busy is a 2 way street rather than a one way street. here's what china had to say. i know he rushed to his the repeated mistake that invoice some days that the.