to that a, the documents were adopted and i told the people to get the documents trade week. i don't want to be party to any of the that print of the documents, etc. and that start immediately the, the veterinary and in charge chancel. one of the procedures that was scheduled for another monkey named crosby who was also in my national science foundation funded procedure. in other words, this was a regular pro procedure. they were letting other procedures of other investigators and comfortable situations go through their stop in mind and eventually for no reason at all or completely made up reason the veterinarians to crosby awful protocol, meaning i might, oh sir, it came to complete sam's deal. so, um and then the universities had that required various modifications to the my part

of, of a part of an animal protocol isn't a separate set of procedures that i am authorized to perform. and it is, again, it's the federally regulated process in which the, the eye of the internal regulatory body mentioned. i put a sign. so upon at the end, the tab signed off on it and they went back on what they had approved and they demanded changes to it. if i had accepted which i would not be able to perform the, the 1st of the grant research that i was funded to perform. so they put me in a bind where i was, i forget my friends. i was good both ways. mm hm. regardless of what i did, so i basically said, and you are not so totally university, you are not requiring others. the researchers and the uncomfortable

situation do the same thing, in other words, that clearly or treating me different, etc. and so they eventually ended up about in, in, in the summer of the 2015. yeah. about a year and a half later. and they looked in as of saying they didn't do this damn out of been accused of any wrong doing. they basically said this guy doesn't have his protocol in place, so cancel is brent. wow. and i protested, i provided the various regulators including and as a and i age and the usda, you're not a united states department of agriculture, which are all regulatory bodies in question, evidence of documentation bring, etc. and they all look the other way. and the, the most or bridges or

a couple of things where national science foundation said it, we by law, they get repeatedly and said that they contended that by law they're required not to look into whistle blower complaint, while complaints of our animal welfare, which makes no sense at all? no, no sense. i have no sense at all. i have to ask you what may be a little bit of a naive question. but it seems to me that none of this would have happened. if the other research or the researcher who had given the the monkey and overdose had said, my goodness, i did something terrible. it was an accident. i overdosed the monkey and he passed away. i'll fill out the form and we inform the government. none of this would have happened. why either, why wasn't that the case? why not just just be honest about it and say i made a mistake. the correct?

and the short answer is, you know, sometimes this a, it's a, it's not the prime and so, but the cover of the prime. exactly, exactly, of course, very much. yeah. it was very much like that. they could have said that and it would have come from nothing because everybody mates, most dates and, and in, in, in man research you tried to minimize most states, but sometimes mistakes happen. and the thing is, if you really care about the animals, if you really care about the law, you make up for it and you do your darn is to make sure it doesn't happen again. that's right. none of that happened here. as i don't know why the university and i was getting the right thing, but my best employment guess is as follows. the university was already under the radar of animal rights activities or previous violations. and they had to take them, you know, there was a publicity, etc. so they clearly had

a motive to not to encumber additional, publish it. and i think that i, that's my best guess as to why they wanted the whole thing to go away. and if there was a clear pattern that i kept on the days retaliated against me, when that they didn't set me up, they turned in an odd job and then so it basically tells them escalated and eventually ended up into their asking anisette for no reason. no, to terminate my plan. what was your longer term experience with the university or even in the broader research industry was the university's response to your whistle blowing in keeping with the way it normally did business. and if not, why do you think they went after you in the way that they did? of the i, i think it was either. they had to come clean with the facts and they'd be good. if

they'd pest pest up to something, it would raise more questions. that's my best guess. mm hm. um and so they just had to basically hunker down and, and stay with their original version the of them. or i'm sure they've appeared that people raised more questions. now having said that, the university of tap that the senate looked at and they held in a hearing on roles and everything. and they the committee that heard my case unanimously ruled in my favor. and as a university president, to take corrective actions, have it investigated by an external entity so that there is no confidence of interest, etc. and, and the university president, it with nice place and that all tempers, that i'm not going to take your recommendation. we are speaking with dr. j heck

day he is a scientist and whistleblower from the university of augusta on the issue of animal research. please stay with us. we're going to take a short break and come right back. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the a what else seemed wrong? just don't have to shape out the application and engagement trails. when so many find themselves will support we choose to look so common ground the

the welcome back to the suppliers. i'm john to reaku. we're speaking with animal research whistleblower doctor j had a doctor every day. thanks again for being with us. thank you. i want to ask you a few more specific questions about your case. i've read several affidavits that clearly and unequivocally show that you have told the truth from the beginning of this case. it seems to me that the university would just want to cut its losses by walking away from this. i've been in a similar situation where the aggressor made a settlement offer and then just quit. but that hasn't happened here. can you speculate as to why that is? there have been. so let me back up and say, i have an ad to with a lower case under georgia whistle blowers patches against the university and the board of regents. and they are going settlement todd's. but i'm not allowed to go

into the details of this met the settlement times, but i can tell you that that's a general matter my position in i don't want the university or anybody else to throw money at me and expect me to have sub because that perch, the animals that i've heard is the cause of loss. so compliance with the law, etc. so i want accountability and i want this as a community. any university learn from the experience to make sure that this doesn't happen again. mm hm. and i've always, my position has been, i will not settled for anything other than that. i'm also interested to know what the reaction has been among your colleagues in any industry, but especially in the hard sciences. success is based on truth. anything that is not based on verifiable, facts ought not be considered. but again, that's not what happened here. does the university's position on this case not do

harm to its long term prospects and this area of animal research isn't the university just turning itself by continuing to fight this? and then there is a rubber band and that is in this case. um i think there is a share here, but the part of the lot of people that they, they just want this to go link right. and why a lot of people, i mean, including government agencies. so they had the room and agencies like and it says in the us department of agriculture simply dropped the ball. they didn't follow it, you know, but there was one agency that'd be, that'd be level 50 is picking. cars are, have jurisdiction and agency called old lot office of laboratory. i'm a welfare of our national institute of health and don't get me wrong. national insurance i found is, is a very upstanding organization does great work. and,

and by and large, there are officials are hired principal and ethical, but all really acted and not just, in my opinion, not just on as a delay, but even mentally have criminal cover up of this because they said on the one hand, they said we have certified that the universe augusta university and i did everything by the book of the did not come, did not violate the animal welfare act in any way. and when push came, so when i pressed for details, they said we don't even have jurisdiction. in this case, it because it was the monkey was not covered by the national institutes of health brand, but the national science foundation right now. but at the same time, they were telling the inspector general of the national science foundation that

they were certifying that they looked into this. there's nothing wrong here there. there's no, nothing wrong with just move on. and there's one person that uh who was uh, who was signature is um on lot of these certifications that absent was last name, spelled w o l fs. and i have no doubt in my mind that he knowingly engage in and misconduct as a government official handles. the university covered up and that is significant because once they've got this clean bill is held, so to speak from all the university could turn around and say, look, it's been looked at, there's nothing here. oh wow. and that's exactly and what it ended up happening. so in other words, augusta university was able to use the overall certification to say

that it's been looked at. there's nothing to z here. hold on, right. one of the affidavits submitted in support of your position says that there were, quote, many other on ethical, possibly illegal occurrences related to monkey welfare and the regulatory infrastructure at augusta university on quote. can you tell us a little bit about that? would you expect federal regulators to become involved in a situation like this? i have compared to everybody including congress at the department of justice and obviously all law and etc, etc. and i think one of the things that is happening is it confirmation bias because there are other agencies that either i think this is old meals, or there's a no problem here because they all think o own law has already looked at it and decided there's nothing to it,

and therefore we don't wanna look at it even, which is precisely the problem because an animal research not just to of us university, but uh. ready in our country as a whole, worth time in our system where you have something wrong. the regulated parties, namely the universities and the researchers have the responsibility to report it properly to the government and take propose corrective actions. and right now the, the fact of the matter is, is the system is very easy to gain, which is not to say that everybody cheats most people who play by the rules. but if somebody like, in this case, the, what happened in this case, if somebody wants to g cheating, it's ridiculously easy because all you need to do is say to the government with us trade pays that they looked at it, there's nothing here. and the government uses that they,

especially the agencies like barbara certified turnaround and longed right then sort of by and say that there's nothing untoward happened here with think internally university can use to say look, the government gave us a clean bill of health and therefore nothing must have happened so in other words, it is kind of like a, a look where at all you need to get it started and all you need to do is have the, uh, the han is so just be the lie to the government with a straight face and that is it should not be acceptable in any well, it is not acceptable to monitor thread it. searchers. um and most of my have it searchers uh privately and tell me uh my fellow research is telling me that this is not right. it should be fixed. how have investigators or regulators responded to

this? this has been dragging on for 9 years now. have you gotten any satisfaction? no, not at all. the. again, not me personally. i mean, i then would tell it again. so i would like to be made a whole, but there's a larger problem here that this case is a poster child for. and that is, it demonstrates that the government agencies, such as all of my work to defeat whistle blowing, which is why wizard blowing and animal welfare is especially pays where government agencies use government resources and power the actually longer. and the criminal activities and the feed was a blog and that has a change. and so this is the larger point i want your audience to take a take from is and that is quite beyond what happened to me personally. ready and

the, the regulatory process in animal research is so it's not just as functional as for all the reasons that i mentioned this badly read some whereby most people are honest. but if you really want to a game, the system is ridiculously easy to do. so dr. j heck, j. thank you so much for joining us. and thanks to our viewers for joining us as well. i'm reminded today of the words of the great author and future as george orwell. he said, intellectual honesty is a crime in any to a tele terry. and country, but even in england it is not exactly profitable to speak and write the truth in england. such concepts as justice, liberty, and the objective truth are still believed in. they may be illusions, but they are very powerful illusions. that was proving lives in the 1940s. it also appears to be true about augusta georgia in 2023, john kerry, uncle,

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the is just kind of 11 pm here in law school, and this is on the international within the very latest world news. ok, thank is great to have you with us. now we do begin with tragic news here in most go with full people that being confirmed that in school was injured. and this occurred with a pipe bust at the seasons shopping center south west of the city of correspondence brings as well from the c. according to emergency services, specifically the firefighters, the situation is now under control after a hot water pipe burst in the small scale mall, which you can see behind me sending hot steam throughout the building according to moscow's may or 4 people were killed. and there, this is also being investigated, has a case of criminal negligence. now that's according to russia's investigative committee . now media reports of also been saying that dozens of people have been injured

around 10 of them have been hospitalized and emergency services had been working on the scene here for a long time. now there wasn't evacuation going on for some time, and we were even able to speak with a couple people who were evacuated from the building. let's take a list of steps. i saw people looking alarmed on the 3rd floor where i work. i saw people looking down towards the escalators, steam rising, and so my smell of hot water, i went down to the 1st floor, all the water was on the 1st floor. then i went upstairs and we stood for 15 to 20 minutes and there was no announcement. no one said anything. people went to the shops and only after 15 to 20 minutes, the guard told us that it was time to go out to close everything and move quit the me. i was very worried and didn't understand why we weren't being evacuated or how earlier when the burst had just taken place. media reports were saying that around 20 people were trapped inside the building, mostly on the 3rd floor and in the food court area. but we recently attended

a press conference held by the emergency services, as they said that the evacuation has been completed and nobody's left inside the building. and right now, the authorities are working in sides to get to the bottom of what caused this type . first to the front line and rushes is that for those? yeah, we do now where will corresponded, roasted slab or short, awfully off. has been killed by you friday and selling but also left several of his colleagues wounded. moscow has blamed k as on this west and sponsors for the as far as he everything points to the fact that the attack on the journalist group was not a coincidence. the correspondence collected materials for a report on the shelling of the sap rosure regions settlements by key for she militants with cluster munitions which are banned in many countries of the world. those that are supplied to keep by the united states. washington, along with london and paris, which supply does the landscape regime with long range missiles,

only verbally express concerned about the safety of journalist, but in fact, they are sponsors of terrorists. those guilty of the brutal massacre of a russian journalist will in evidently suffer the punishment they deserve. the entire measure of responsibility will be shared by those who supply their keep proteges with cluster munitions. around midday, on such a group of john just came under attack from ukrainian on forties. now we understand that they were traveling in a call and that's not for roseville region where they had been investigating the ukrainian use of costume emissions because these controversial weapons have be supplied by the united states. now, the russian defense ministry has confirmed that those 2 and this came on to find themselves from the very cluster munitions that they were investigated to know a number of doing this have been wounded. they were rushed to hospital and very sadly, as we heard was this love, a jewel of

a real no boss. the correspondence was killed in the attack on the number of others that have been wounded to varying degrees on the head of his upper rose. your region has pay tribute to the wall correspondence. this young talented guy spoke the truth from the very 1st day. he covered real life and his brushy region was on the front line more than once, personal and new men and military men and did not stand the side of civilians needed help. today he died at the hands of king of nonsense. i express my deepest condolences to his family and friends. cool. so this whole place that decision by the united states to supply the home, to virtual cost, the munitions on the closer scrutiny. but of course, it is not the 1st time that you cried. new forces have attacked john this uh, we heard a most recently the assassination attempt to the parts to til the head of our team all got a to so many. yeah. and that was on covered by the russian intelligent services. last year cools, perhaps most notoriously duke and i was killed in

a call bomb explosion in moscow. now geneva convention protexture and the so to attack them is i will climb butts. uh, many of these many such attacks like this and the killing of wounding and targeting of june. and this has a paused without remark without comment from many of the weld press freedom organizations, which is perhaps on surprising considering the largest of those of january funded by the us state department, us side and the national endowment for democracy. of course, well king, it was or is it dangerous occupation, but many of those are being targeted outside of the was own and that helped by the marriage, bullets website which is essentially a kill it. so you craning kill is what is hosted in langley, virginia, which is the home of the a c i. but once again, we can see that the training and forces are simply ignoring international law as

they continue to act with impunity. believe we spoke to you on the list and found the of don't boss inside the christ down the on and she says it just sit on kids talk at least for the 9 years now. and so the, since the beginning of the constraint that the general list are a special targets for you, then you create an army. we have to remember that in 2014, many generally swear cubes by deliberate shillings on their position or of the calls in which they were moving. so unfortunately, for me, it's not to surprise what happens and i'm really sad because i knew what else to solve. i met him last year at the beginning of the special operation. we see that the way friends which are providing to ukraine by the west are more and more, really terrible. i mean, it'd be gone with the lights, with friends, and now we have cluster immunizations. and what is going to be next? it's really to remote. we know that this close to our munitions are really horrible

. i mean, they are killing a lot of civilians. they are staying in the ground for long period. we have seen that in vietnam where it's to keeping and routine 18 people until now. the hung gary unemployment is to say 0 lives in illusionary. well, it's believing that russia can be cut out of the international monkish pics, old, and also this, that of a 70 percent of european companies all still operating in russia. of course, europe can be separated from russian energy, but this is actually an illusion and will have no effect because russia cannot be separated from the rest of the world. someone else will buy russian oil materials and who are suffering from military inflation and losing our competitiveness for the hon. gary and head of state statements. all the impact of sanctions on russia is being proven true already. a gas agreement has been reached between a rush and gas from and as back is done, which will create

a new energy supply system topic. we cause life to george samuel, a senior research fellow at the global policy institute. many thanks for joining us to just love to see you this evening. so hungry head of state has said that you are up to attempt to refuse russian oil without no effects on the country and we hold the you itself, in your opinion. what lies ahead of you are the talks, if occasion, from russian energy a more a more economic chaos because of course, um your needs, uh, russian energy it's has been the key to it's economic success, particularly they economic success of the german age. so it's reading economy and essentially to cut yourself off from russian energy means you have to get your energy somewhere else. well that somewhere else is of course much more expensive. and if you remember a few months ago when the emmanuel background said, yeah, what if we get our liquefied natural gas from the united states?

it's actually going to cost us $4.00 times as much as a while we were getting from russia. so the euro is essentially becoming gradually irrelevant to the rest of the world, everything in that same speech. you said that within a few years, um, none of the european economy is, will be in the top 10 of the world economy is a, it says in germany alone may come in as number 10, but bronze easily the u. k. were just simply be, you know, out, you know, they've just moved, begin significant in the, in, in the world rankings. and his speech ethics opened also mentioned that the large majority of your pin industrial companies still operate in russia. how does this affects the blokes image in terms of its persistence anti russian functions? well obviously it shows that he bought per se, but again.