this is a very, very mysterious factor. that is to say, they don't give a damn about the future. they just care about their share older prices, their stock prices, they care about making more billions on top of the billions they already have. and they don't seem to have any regard whatsoever for even their own boss dirty. it's an extremely dangerous situation when you get people like that, influencing those who are in power and those in power are not all that competent. and they don't have any concerns of the future. it's a mystery to us. we can explain it. we do not understand why these people do not have any interest, even in their own future, in the future of their grandchildren in the future, their children. they have no interest in the future, they only have interest in the present and in money. okay. any day i'll give you don't care about the environment. if they destroyed the node stream, i understand that you agree with the site share, that it was the by the administrator that destroyed it. why do you think the,

the by the ministration was so confident that'd be no retaliation? rushes at all. that would be consequences for that destruction of the pipeline that was spent millions of dollars of german and, and russian money. but there hasn't really been a reaction to it. i think there be a long term consequence. and i think people who think strategically, and i'm not quite sure the mirror does, but i think he does, or at least he has some people around him to do. if he thinks strategically, the germans aren't going to tolerate this much longer. if you're talking about the heart of nato in europe, you're talking about germany, germany, germany, germany. and if you eliminate germany, if, if germany suddenly decides they are not best served by fuel that comes in, that is far more content 0 than the fuel they were getting from russia far more expensive. but this is not really what they want for a future. and we're also been doing their both arms behind their back trying to break them away from trying. which is nonsense. i mean,

break germany away from china, the engine of the european economy, away from the engine of the world economy. you gotta be kidding me. and yet, that's what we're trying to do. this whole business with ukraine, if you find the root cause of the belief of the bad and the crew is to re establish us in germany, which was slipping over europe. they'll figure that out sooner or later. especially the germans and then it's katie bar the door we're going to be in trouble because the alliance is going to shatter and the trans atlantic relationship with that kind of larry wilkinson. i'll stop you there. more from the former chief of staff to us secretary of state colin powell after this break. the

team is the aggressor today i'm authorized with additional strong sites today. russian was the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. the thing you chose, the seniors just click on the only thing and we'll see more in the way we'll shift, we're banning all in portion of russian oil and gas news happening in another country. hope all's well. we're going to be strictly fed service involved. the little jo, by in imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's a boomerang the the release of come to the russian states. never as i the,

the most sense community most i'll some, some of the, in the system has to be the one else calls question about this. even though we will fan in the european union the kremlin mission, the state on the russia cruising and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for what question did you say to stephen twist, which is the welcome back to going on? be great, i'm still here with their time colonel mary wilkerson, the cheapest off to us extra said calling about. thank you so much for what you

were saying in part one, it was fascinated to hear that not only do you agree with the fact that north the stream was a by no administration operation, because we've had the secretaries of the navy on the show and of moscow station, they never said that the north stream was a bite and administration to or an attack, but you're talking about nato and it's problems. i mean, was the villainy of someone could be one of the last summits we see of it's kind it might not be last. we are great at war mongering. we seem to be the most adept country in the world at it. as a matter of fact, which justifies the fact we're supposed to be in democracy and care about things like human rights and such, but in bushes administration, george w bush, i figured that out by 2004, it really is done me. it took a while, we didn't give a damn about any of those things, so we use those things at sugar coding. we use those things for bows,

international audiences and our own domestic audience as sugar coding. we don't care about freedom, we don't care about democracy. what we care about is power and money, money and power, that sums up america today. and that sums up what our war instrument is for, including nuclear weapons. it's a sad commentary, and yet it is a true commentary. and i'll argue with anyone that wants to argue about it till the cows come home. that's our purpose today. more is a profitable business, and we are in profits. that's why we're selling weapons. so that's why we're doing what we're doing and you crying. and anyone who tries to sign any other reason to it is just simply much that's what's happening. and the same thing about it is we have now drugs are essentially $700000000.00 plus europeans into it who will figure it out sooner or later. and then we're gonna have a bridge and let's see the world divided into the european union,

trying to get his political life together. china, in the united states, you know, trying to figure which one to go to in any pivot point and make a quarter of the world's population of people. and that's going to be a multiple world par extra long. and we're going to be stuck in the rear end of that world about 90 percent of the time. if we don't stop and get our act together, not to mention is that the climate change is gonna eat our lunch is already eating our lunch. i've just come back from out west. you want to walk down the street because there's nothing but smoke all the time. asked new york or from the smoke coming down from canada. asked people who are looking at water situations. they're simply existential for them. and fighting with other states out west trying to figure out who's going to get the water that's left. this is a crisis that if we know confront right now this minute and do it intelligently and

confidently forget it. well, all really well if, if vitamin was responsible for new and stream, clearly climate change is something the policy, if it's coming is to increase. but in fairness to u. s. media and obviously in the west and your, i mean use officially, all media descent on ukraine is bad. there's, there's actually official censorship in front of us to us to meet you. i don't normally say that, you know, we've had down ellsberg gone. he died recently, literally he heard him say that and you are trying to extradite julian designs right now from london. us major is beginning to call it a proxy war, the ukraine. more. do you notice that sometimes that somehow the united states circle mainstream corporate media is starting to latch onto the arguments you've been making since february and since 2014 it would have to be a piece is a granite rock not to and they'd have to begin to understand that, well,

we keep up on this thing more longer and we're going to lose what little readership we have left. because the american people don't figure out sooner or later too. if you're looking at a situation where the united states is going to be sending, spending is already spending. if we talk about national security rather than the armed forces, a trillion dollars a year, you're looking at a $30.00 to $33.00 trillion dollar aggregate debt. the interest payments of which will consume plus as advanced budget, all of the discretionary federal spending about 2030, maybe earlier. that's the congressional budget office prediction. you can keep doing that. you simply can't keep doing it. why are we able to do it now, we're able to do it now because the oil is denominated, preferably in dollars. and because we have a military that will smash anybody or sanction anybody, or most who objects that cannot persist, is simply cannot continue. and we're bankrupt for all practical purposes. if we

have to pay our debt tomorrow, the interest payments on that debt alone are going to bankrupt us because we have to pay the debt in aggregate sorry, you're not going to do that. and people don't quit by our debt around the world, and that's going to be dramatic, is coming and it's all coming at a time when much or what we do have in terms of resources that are viable, should be aimed at meeting the common crisis. well, something some say it's speeding up, but clearly, you know, it is still the federal. uh it is still the world currency. so we won't have to wait just a little bit, but then so all the cost of bombs. and as a military man, you probably know more about cluster bombs and then i do, i mean, is that last throw the dice, the cluster bombs being sent to boys damage and kill and maim future generations of children and your grand, the utterly obscene. just like using depleted, you ring uranium rounds and in and around baghdad, we've got

a cash right there around felicia and elsewhere. now interact it out, strips any cancer, right? including children. and i think just to drop the bridge governments as depleted uranium is completely safe, right? uh huh, and i've, i've got some swampland in florida, i'll sell the british government. this is stupid to do this sort of thing. they should have been out loud long time ago. i thought they were going to be out lot alone with land mines and other things. look at the lam, i'm bullet for ocean, you know, kind of, we're gonna be cleaning up that area of the world for the next 20 years. there's like we're doing in vietnam, we're still clean up vietnam from them land mines and other munitions that are in the law for 12 and 13 year olds, lose arms, hands and legs almost weekly in vietnam. still, we've got a little bit of head way going on right now, but that's, that's of the detritus of the empires. wars, that's the detritus of america's work. and all of this so that lockheed martin and raytheon and groman and

a host of other defense companies can make build the loop or all these weapons as to what is it the last throw the dice or i don't know you're in virginia, maybe your neighbors know is it, or is it part of the escalation? once they said only helmets to the green war, then it was, you know, vis or that missile that it was patriots that it was tank. so now it's f sixteens is the cost of them. the last in that line or does it go further? i hope it doesn't go any further. i hope it doesn't even go that far. i live. oddly enough or obviously enough, i live amongst some of the type needs. general dynamics lockey. this is one of the richest, if not be rich is counties in america. and it is so largely because of the lawyers for and the ceos and c o is the weapons industry bring your neighbors in for the next time we do the interview. i'd love to have coffee with them some day, but they don't offer you the likes with me now. i'm just driving around this area.

well, tell you what's happening just driving around america and look at looking at military bases. will tell you what's happening. cosmo haul's, i've never seen so much money spent on the military. they don't know where to spend it. they haven't got a clue how to spend all of this money. so they weren't up at the end of each fiscal year with billions left over that they haven't spent, this is obscene, but we're doing it because we're increasing the profits astronomically these people who run these merchants of death companies. i mean, do the neighbors have ukraine flags so they've, they've subsided in western capitalism in your a, but people say there's a lot of money in the letter on the hamptons, but in that virginia maryland area. since the grand rooms are not too many flags out, now, there were some in the beginning, i think the american people basically are waking up to the fact that something's wrong here. and it is wars gone on too long. at the same time though, you have profits generated and no blood,

that's the best of all possible world for the c, e ocean. these people who run these arms companies, they are not killing any americans. and yet they're making a fortune off the weapons that are sold into this conflict. and that's the best of all possible years for them. you sit down at a, at a shareholder meeting. you say ladies and german, ladies and gentlemen, businesses good wars, good. we're making pro for so i have to, yeah. and you're getting your share price, you're getting what you want, you're getting your dividends and services is great until it ends. and it ends badly. if we but china to one side, the next war, that's the openly being talked about would trump and the war in ukraine. that's a good question. he would say you would. but like all the other words, he said he was going to an adult. he would do it, he didn't initiate any. you know, the republican party is buried in this oligarchy that i spoke of. so is the

democratic party, whether it's chuck schumer or standing away, or whomever. obviously our f. k junior is also running, but opposed to the war, the republican party from mitch mcconnell on there. they're buried in this complex . they get re elected because of this complex and the money provided them by this complex. so he could do certainly more than any main democratic contender. i just don't, i don't see my main problem with the trunk. beside so many others that you would know it is, he's not as smart as he says he is. and he doesn't understand how the government works and he doesn't understand that draining a small means you have to go in, grab the alligators by the neck and show them to the pieces he's, he's afraid to do. the people are hard. people are afraid of doing that. kind of thing, i think a young has a lot of thoughts about it. we've had examples of what happens when you speak on

draining the swamp. maybe your what we're going to see examples of what happens to people. i don't know, just find the on west in your of, i mean is a, as i said, germany was in recession of is that the region of the planet just going to decline the geopolitically economically? culturally? i don't think so. you've got, you know, roughly 700000000 with a g d p. that's equivalent of ours $20.00 to $23.00 trillion dollars. that's all going to get. the grain of course, is not going to get the grain from the blacks, the grain, the rich countries of europe, you know, factor out the 140000000 russians and you have a significant schism there. that's kind of cause a problem. at least those from the urals to the west. they ought to be a part of this your opinion too. but if it ever gets his political life together and i know that's like huge, you know, um they probably will be the power to reckon with in the future now that is

from 2 to aspects of their future. i think one, they probably have the best handle on the climate crisis of any other region in the world. and to they have, they can amik potential if they could bring the russians back in. europe could be whole and politically sound and that's a big if i know, i think they'd be the power point in the world and maybe they can lead the rest of the world in the confrontation of the climate crisis. is it going to happen? is this war going to asunder that possibility for at least a decade or so? it well could, and that's a tragedy. and there again, the blame will be laid at the feet of washington to london, burly in all the capitals. i'd simply couldn't get their act together and stop this war. stopping this war would be really simple if you just sat down and thought about it, and you didn't, but the old guard, so the war industry route your day. all you have to do is start talking kind of larry wilkinson. thank you. really?

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needs full of people are dead with 9 others in hospital with severe the office scolding boy think gosh, is from a bus type and it must go shopping center a rush and will correspondence is killed by ukrainian close to bones with most co saying that kids on this west and on supply is the full responsibility for the a top are also coming up on the on the streets of a round, as people protest against swedish officials for gain authorizing a co rhonda and give them to g twins. the energy ministers failed to reach a consensus on an official communicate as they pull outs over the ukraine conflict, as well as folks of

the a very well welcome. this is all the international with the lights as well. news update is great to have you with us. now we'd begin with a tragic news here in moscow. west full people have been confirmed that and schools injured is a card with a pipe bust at the seasons. shopping center south, west of the city, also installed coal springs as more for the c, according to emergency services, specifically the firefighters. the situation is now under control after a hot water pipe burst into a small scale mall, which you can see behind me sending hot steam throughout the building. according to moscow is may or 4 people were killed and there, this is also being investigated as a case of criminal negligence. now that's according to russia's investigative committee. now media reports have also been saying that dozens of people have been injured around 10 of them have been hospitalized and emergency services have been

working on the scene here for a long time. now there was an evacuation going on for some time, and we were even able to speak with a couple of people who were evacuated from the building. let's take a listen. movies really confused. it seems to be, i saw people looking alarmed on the 3rd floor where i work. i saw people looking down towards the escalators, we saw a steam rising on, so smell of hot water. i went down to the 1st floor, all the water was on the 1st floor, then i went upstairs and we stood for 15 to 20 minutes and there was no announcement. no one said anything. people went to the shops and only after 15 to 20 minutes, the guard told us that it was time to go out, close everything and leave quickly. i was very worried and didn't understand why we weren't being evacuated earlier when the burst had just taken place. media reports were saying that around 20 people were trapped inside the building, mostly on the 3rd floor and in the food court area. but we recently attended a press conference held by the emergency services. they said that the evacuation

has been completed and nobody's left inside the building. and right now, the authorities are working inside to get to the bottom of what caused this pipe burst to the front line and rushes examples here. we to now where will corresponding will this live is your to have the off has been killed by you. crazy and shelly will select several of his colleagues is wounded. mosca was blamed. t as on this west and sponsors for the as rusty. everything points to the fact that the attack on the journalist group was not a coincidence. the correspondence collected materials for a report on the shelling of this app, rosure regions settlements by key for she militants with cluster munitions which are banned in many countries of the world. those that are supplied to keep by the united states, washington along with london in paris, which supply does the landscape regime with long range missiles, only verbally express concerned about the safety of journalists. but in fact,

they are sponsors of terrorists. those guilty of the brutal massacre of a russian journalist will in evidently suffer the punishment they deserve. the entire measure of responsibility will be shared by those who supply their keep proteges with cluster munitions. around midday, on such a group of june just came under attack from ukrainian on forties. now we understand that they were traveling in a call in the south for roseville region where they had been investigating the ukrainian use of costing munitions a cool face. controversial weapons are being supplied by the united states. now, the russian defense ministry has confirmed that those 2 and this came on to find themselves from the very close to munitions that they were investigated to know a number of doing this. helping wounded, they were rushed to hospital and body sadly, as we heard, well, just love, a jewel of who we are. no boss, me will correspondence was killed in the attack on the number of others that have

been wounded to varying degrees on the head of his upper rogia region has pay tribute to the wall correspondence. this young talented guys proves the truth from the very 1st day. he covered real life in his broad she region was on the front line more than once, personal and new men and military men and did not stand the side of civilians needed help to day he died at the hands of king of nonsense. i express my deepest condolences to his family and friends. cool. so this whole place that decision by the united states to supply the home traverse on foster munitions on the closer scrutiny. what a call to is not the 1st time that you probably knew. 4th is how attract john this uh, we heard a most recently the assassination attempt to the parts to till the head of our team all got a to simon. yeah. and that was uncovered by the russian intelligence services last year were closed, perhaps most notoriously, due, gonna was killed in

a call bomb explosion in most go now geneva convention protexture. and the so to attack them is i will climb butts. many of these many such attacks like this and the killing of booting and targeting of june. this has a post without remark, without comment from many of the weld press freedom organizations, which is perhaps on surprising considering the largest of those of generally funded by the us state department, us side and the national endowment for democracy. of course. well, king, it was a, is a dangerous occupation, but many of those are being targeted outside of the was own. and that helped by the mirror for its uh website which is essentially a kill it. so you create new toners, but it is hosted in langley, virginia, which is the home of the a, c i. but once again, we can see that the training and forces are simply ignoring international law as

they continue to act with impunity. ellia we supposed to join a list and found the of dumbass inside of christ on the on who says the journalist would be on t of talk at least for over 9 years now. and so the, since the beginning of the constraint that the general list are a special targets for you, then you create an army. we have to remember that in 2014, many generally swear cubes by deliberate shillings of their position or of the calls in which they were moving. so unfortunately, for me, it's not to surprise what happens and i'm really sad because i knew what else to solve. i met him last year at the beginning of this special operation. we see that the way problems which are provided to ukraine by the west are more and more, really terrible. i mean, it'd be gone with the lights, with friends, and now we have cluster immunizations and watch. it wouldn't be next. it's really to remote. we know that this close to our munitions are really horrible. i mean, they are killing a lot of civilians. they are staying in the ground for long period. we have seen

that in vietnam where it's to keeping and routine 18 people until now the hon. gary, informing us to say you're a believe, say not illusionary. well leaving. the russia can be taught how to the international markets. mix the open also onto the divers 70 percent of you are paying. companies are still operating in russia. of course, europe can be separated from russian energy, but this is actually an illusion and will have no effect because russia cannot be separated from the rest of the world. someone else will buy russian oil materials and who are suffering from military inflation and losing our competitiveness. a hung gary and the head of state statements on the impacts of sanctions on russia is being proven true already. a gas agreement has been wage between russian and gas from those back is done, which will create a new energy supply system with. but with george's found,

the way i see the research fellow with a global policy is a to, to set that your p and states are losing that leading economic positions due to these policies. because um your needs, uh, russian energy its has been the key to its uh, it cannot make success, particularly they economic success of the german age. so its reading economy and essentially to cut yourself off from russian energy and means you have to get your energy somewhere. oh, well that's somewhere else. is of course much more expensive. and if you remember a few months ago when emmanuel, my college said, yeah, what if we get around liquefied natural gas from the united states? it's actually going to cost us both times as much as a, well we were getting from russia. so the europe is essentially becoming gradually irrelevant to the rest of the world. and i think in that same speech, you said that within a few years,

and none of the european economies will be in the top 10 of the world economy is a, says a germany alone may come in at number 10, but trans easily the u. k. which is simply be, you know, out, you know, they've just moved will begin significant in the, in the world rankings. western countries all make a mistake often mistaking their approach to what, what's most go as, according to a russian deputy farm is like a wrapped off. you supposed to warranty about most cuz reasons for pulling out of the grain. deal along with other issues. is afraid of us and other western countries and making mistakes. often mistake in general. they pop in recent. yes. is a positive mistakes and suffering, suffering, not actually own masses of international affairs, but in the inability to combine their ambitions to the arrogant expectation that everyone around them should have by the.