yes, without risking a lots and you wouldn't be mistaken. i'm in there and we only learn by making mistakes. but i pity the youngest as of today because there's a lot of self censorship on many topics in schools that start to just the migration topic. to my impression it went on with the climate change drawn back. it went on, we spend them a call, you see it's, i mean, there was no, there was no real debate. it was idle or, but never s. and now it's about the russia and it's about yes, we have to fight russia and pressure has to be taken off. the map end of that fits is especially sticking over the map. i wonder what they want to do with that huge hold of, i mean, yeah, but, but as the continent this also what i realized was this ration a n t r russian sentiment, especially in austin and germany, which i had under estimated when i lived in france for young, something it was before the war, but i, when i said i'm traveling to must come next week to teach my landlord. neighbors will tell how interesting i frankly start and that's what this coach was.

perception afresh us with a french, i'm much more relaxed way to speak about russia, not the case for germany and austria. oh, what are you doing? russia, you're that was the mafia. you are, i mean, russia, this, russia phobia to this russian enter russian sentiment has come up again in austria, in germany over the last few years. and i was like a cultural damage in a many people, especially, also wanted to take the russian money. everybody was happy about the rich russian tourist lions and the people who made lots of thoughts of the economic economy flow because they the crate to the companies there about. it was also the case that the indiana medical doctors would say, we don't treat restaurants anymore. now uh, we talked about this room, so for the, if it's, let me ask about what the many people here in the russian describe as russian your center has meant. i've heard many political scientists suggest that over the last couple of centuries, russia has developed nothing or took the logical but

a psychological and almost spiritual dependence on europe. we see europe as a, as an appeal to me, of everything, positive progress, if, as they sort of unreachable even where we want to go. but just like in the bible, there's always this angel with the file restore that the gate and we are always being pushed away from there. do you think or rock europe has ever been with russia? projected that to be when we look at very rough, she goes off morris, i would say there was that we have seen in central and western europe on his when we think of the wall. so to use when a single other religious was protestant catholics, which was not only about the religion of power. well of course the figures are much higher than any kind of civil strife. you either have on russian territory or in the middle east. um and uh, many, many wars that we have seen in on the european continent it was always about either

or it was always very black and white. and the oil or the accomplishments that you have that you're referring to to europe. i know it from the middle east. i know it from us from a generation that i'm fortunate that's already disappeared. but when i was in my twenties, these people ran to seventy's and they had gone to cambridge to hide it back to doris, throughout half french, half drumming in the heart. and they, they were in love with europe. and they taught me a lot about european culture. we stepped passion for plastic and music of philosophy, which sometimes we the europeans, i would say it on the estimate to this our cultural legacy. we need it. maybe that's a russian, emma grand or a lebanese student. what, what troy attention to and the europe that you're referring to, the existence in between,

it was maybe at the court of my mom and sheila and good to were discussing. and how to double stare. i mean that there was a strong competition between so many small courts, maybe the big difference from between the russian history and, and the many european history is to have to coast. that's not the one. is that um, especially in the territory of what is today germany, austria and other central european countries. it was called the holy roman empire of german nation, which they faxed to hundreds of small courts, a very small quotes bottom bottom by ma, tooling and, but that's also a lots to competition. and you have a mistake and you'll have council dukes who, who tried to attract the most of the practice minds of those times. some of them went bankrupt wide investing in art or a new car sales. but that's also brought to competition on the opposite of it. onto university level to give you one example that was made in the past. so you can give

me that example after a short break, but we have to take it to right now. we'll be back in just a moment. the what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear, to get a time time to sit down and talk the

welcome back to will to part with officer his former minister for the 1st karen, can i so let them can i so before i so rudely interrupted you, you were talking about how this um, a positive impression, all 5 germany and the brothers europe was actually rooted in reality in the previous centuries. but i think it was also the russian perception of the 20th century, especially associated with the rule of law because i was born in the waning years of the soviet union. and i remember, you know, logging in which and being very young, even when he was a vice mayor all 5 st. petersburg, my hometown, there was a lot of talk about, you know, german law or austrian discipline and the treatment of everybody as equal before. the lord the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty. when you look at how you were treated or

how some of the russian nationals are now being treated, what do you say happened to that concept? the battle accepted as somebody who started lol. i'm, i'm simply struck i'm, i'm shocked by what's going on. the way lot has been twisted confiscation, cutting of bank accounts, list have replaced loss. this is to put it in, and i've tried to come back to which i, which we discussed before us. uh, let me put it in a little bit of irony. but when you were accused of witchcraft and 17th century, you will con wilks to the court. you what portrait, but at least you report your crime. you had done so with the devil you had to apply some children. in my case, i own insurance. by sheer coincidence that i'm blacklisted and i don't even know my crime, but the effect of that is, i'm not allowed to open the bank account. i'm not allowed to work. it's

a defective permission to work, which i, it's asking me to talk to permission to. we don't have social events and how can you or you cannot open your bank account, this makes your life impossible. uh so when i compare it to the witch trials, the 17th century, which by the way also happened only in germany. you know, there were some in that in the united states, the united states, but to my law that's nothing that i should have by algo force a kind of more of, i've seen it's, she's more the kind which as she is uh, she's both black and white and i think that's actually a distinct feature of the russian culture and the russian collect a psychology is that we have seen our shadow. we have incorporated it and we know our own the evil on life, the europeans who only see that their shiny side, but uh, seeing the world in that time frame. i had the many and destructive consequences as you know, in the 20th century. how is this treatment of fuel,

or of russians as bad? the russians and the russians are treated collectively as a, as a beth nation. how is it different from my dividing people into hoover and internationally? i don't know. this is, this is an old story that unfortunately, we have seen pushed to the extreme on the us 20 eastern front by the german army and also by the austrians or just when it came to russians. the way we met about $3.00 to $20.00, to as well, why destroyed and, and, and which was less than the collective consciousness over at the end of the soul just came as occupiers, liberal ratios, whatever you call them, defense on the, on the webpage point when they arrived in berlin in vienna, or in the case of, of a fresher, i would say it's also this old east west backups i mean, and that we can also go back to the ultimate war times. we can go back to the was between persia and the creek, 50 states, you know, that is the big, far east, the wide to the dark,

the also terry and east. it all comes back now. uh and the is the light uh, wide, shiny place of, of the west. i since i work a lot in indiana to our markets. i, i know the stereotypes when it comes to the air up muslim shakes, like committing the pool, western or close fuel man. all with my $272.00 i price, is it still a serial killer or the evil rushing towards mounting day? now you as a reference now seeing that a russian just wanted to uh, since you mentioned your expertise in the energy field, i'm sure you've heard this recent rev. busy patients 1st name or hersh, pulitzer prize winner about to report as many of the american special services being behind the explosions on the north stream pipelines. putting aside the morality of this issue, if we believe this respectable journalist, why do you think the americans even needed to order something like that, or to execute something like that? because the europeans were already pretty disciplined and towing deadline. and why

would they resort to such measures because it's essentially an industrial terrace mann. it's all sort of the shifting of the norm. so in any way, definitely, uh, i was sure that they would make to up to most that not string to which is only the expansion of an existing pipelines will never go online. that, that, that's most my conviction. but i never expected them to blow it out. this of course is as you say, the next of terrorism is the pre defense of mesh relations. but they were upset with this topic. so anyway, in my account this, um, it was old time, not street, not stream. uh and uh, a few of the session. how to uh, put its i gave a lot of thoughts to it, but uh uh we saw it already in 2014 coming. not stream 2 was not yet on paper, but we had done cell stream. uh, there was uh,

the pro check to connect. uh, the russian, a terminal and the soonest was to buy gary and port i single for something. and uh, there was a lot of pressure by the us onto a pink commission. they done several tosh to project and directions. i'd waited for a few months and what's, what's happened and fostering never materialized. so it was trying to the took strip and that was the time when the took go. russia and a 2 corporation also started for a very solidly and fantastic since you, since you mentioned turkey, because turkey has a similar experience, a sort of wanting be to be part of the big europe being pushed away, interfering, and your team politics and the many different ways over centuries, and now also pursuing its own the very interesting game. how do you see these 2 countries play out both among themselves and the, with your, given that the europe a so positional towards russia. right now, do you think the same treatments will be given to turkish on it sooner or later?

but i think the tokyo to kia steel fisher caught themselves now uh, has a, has done it's up to most to be taken serious on an equal level. they were you related at service instances and they, they are now of course it was a wondering if, if your practice admitted into your opinion, as some claim might have take 5 years since they've created, think of a shorter it. it raises a lot of questions, not only dr. hall also and other cities as well. what people think chewing up and fulfilling requirements. and to the, the, to tucker side, a sink looks at europe. not on that as an economic partner. this also, he started ties this by for south east europe, the balkan swell, up to months. the president at the meal altamont policy that has been practiced by

the a could be, is very much into that and their, their, their present ethical ties. but also let them not forget that as a tester of millions of troops living inside europe in the netherlands in germany, burden is to force city of turks. after as simple as me, i color it's berlin with several 1000000 of turks. the road that took us today when in, in, in the cohens, but climate of conflict is they're, the only ones will still practice diplomacy in the general sense of diplomacy. and he wrote about it and your other book about the not the art but the cast of diplomacy. we. i liked a lot because it pays homage to the very complex and painstaking nature of this profession. it takes a lot of knowledge, lot of great. a lot of perseverance, a lot of uh, hard work and a bit of uh, good luck. do you think we would ever come back to the, to the craft of diplomacy, respecting, diplomacy as a profession?

yeah. for that it's, they need also your equipment policy, people who have what tenant at 12 another until attentive people, unfortunately in, in, in, in diplomatic stuff all across the kilt. but we have to more talented one. when you, when you go east, we have to more professional ones. when you go east and that is the core is play. uh, is that structure minister of foreign affairs inside the russian minister of foreign affairs where there's also does adults mindset that's i'm missing and willingness to study your neighbor. i think the preceding yourself with how to show it. and so we have seen it's, it's stepped from the united states, it's prob, very much breakfast by you countries just at the, to the transforming the, you know, transformative diplomacy, it's a technical term and us foreign policy. look at what's going on. now, in budapest, you have high ranking us officials arriving and pulled up the best and telling them off, you know,

what has to happen in terms of media and will test to happen in terms of, of, to determine that's not the way to tap on. we are talking on the background of a very tragic for that's happening in the neighboring country and you have some understanding of both the russian mentality, you know, the russian leader personally. and i think you would agree with him with me rather than him uh that the whatever it wasn't that it was on his mind when he authorized this millage corporation wasn't an easy decision for him knowing what he knows what he talks about to ukraine. what do you think may i persuade him to call. busy it quits. what do you sing? what persuade russia to put an end to this fighting? um, what it was from the early days of proxy war. it was from the very early day. an attack goodness, i'm not only about the territory i'm in territory,

is one's saying it's never was true to tara tara dispute. it was one about the big a topic of security security guarantees. and so since we have to the psychology a collective consciousness, geography that you have another area, um that is uh, there's an experience in the russian mindset that the, that why this innovation stumbles this fragmentation and also the role of is let's go back to the end of diplomacy of early twenty's century, i always thought that the, the transport of lean in from switzerland to st. petersburg and 1917 was the last minute decision to, to get rid of the east on from snow. so red book fly in austin, historian, elizabeth parish. i learned that actually to have been a long, a long reach of fallback reaching into my a to ninety's development and how to for our commands,

russia and the support of the bunch of it last month, which was not the most will, it was not the majority of representative movement of the russian stem. the money from the out of the money from mr. had pumps. pablo so organized old that was moving into it. it was all about trick mounting. russia, the then what is the front of, for as a foster said before 1914, i a rush that is too big. that's what kind of tech it to that has to make sure that it's somehow implodes from inside. so do you think that there's only a mindset of the current decision makers because they do not make an impression of people who actually studies, you know, books, there is no history does, cuz it's a historically approach about when you hear from the think tanks universe, it just people and even as now as sort of the development of, of, of making e you plus the waiting rooms, you know, to hear p and committed to somehow recreate the plus in why thing may be russian

reach of russian or position as to say, it goes back to interference, it goes back to front mounting. well, not even. this has been this fascinating conversation. thank you very much for that . i don't look like i'm, i'm thank you for watching hope to hear again on the world's a part of the, [000:00:00;00] the, the, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation . let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally,

i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk the what happened is another terrorist attacked of the key, appreciate this crime. essentially, this video will be response from russia. russia and president calls who cries of pac on the climate ambridge in the hands of terrorism. as about a response is a cube, a mother and father leaving the daughter so that he was most of the moms, nelson mandela. they are in the legacy of a form of self. absolutely. the ad empty of pop type type on the part of the family being evicted by is what he said. lewis says, is a pot side like

a regime. it should be stocked with people pulling into the us. the legal protects this and they get this play for us with the president of the nation to load comments defective. and the thing is live in any service and we are rather than see supposed to be in liberty protected by the international law. unfortunately, we are not the excuse of your company today, the latest global news on the i'm going to allow me, and this is all the in special welcome to weekly. on tuesday, the russian falls is intercepted, 28th ukrainian, was heading for try me a mazda, according to the defense ministry, one day off to a deadly keep attack on look 5 in bridge. wish that you claim president has identified as a target that must be neutralized by them. it puts in cold, evolved into an act of terrorism and filed a mit she response,

a muscle both. so this one i cheated with another terrorist act was committed on the brake gives you there's millions were killed. kyle was injured in levied without periods. the family had left to go to crimea from the belgrade of reach. and i asked to provide all the necessary. we're still getting used to the injured girl and relative list vehicle f as union. we investigated a commitment and a number of other agencies. it happened instructed to investigate the incident in detail. so what happens is another terrorist attack of the key of regime this climate, senseless city from the military point of view. it has no meaning that the principle seemed to try me and be registered. it has not been used for military transportation issue for a long time. and it was closed and cool because in the civilians were injured with killed the will of course either will be a response from russia. the ministry of defense like carrying the correspond to get out of causal process onto the task. and i think said to, you could enable the dynamite as the bridge in the early hours of monday. a criminal probe has been long. the route is

a key gateway from the russian mainland into the peninsula, inside killed them of i'm father and inches,

the teenage daughter the, the well told us officials have distance washington from this the, the incident saying, the decision making for such and thanks live with kids we don't take it upon ourselves to determine legitimacy or illegitimacy of targets at the ukrainians here they're fighting for their own country on the, the courage bridge. this is the situation that we're, we're monitoring, of course uh, ukraine has to decide how it conducts this war in defensive it's, it's territory, it's people, it's freedom way. so i put in the global affairs and security specialist amongst nevada,

who believes such incidents i crane in attempts to shift public sentiment in russia . the only way for the camera, james, so only hold not only of, of, not really of waiting this conflict, but coming out of it in any type of complete situation is to shatter the morale of the russian people to make them turn on the government. they know that conflict cannot be one military. they know that they're already exhausted out of artillery shells and vehicles that can usefully be supplied to the key every game. that's why they've always been more concerned about optics about the information war. then with any actual strategic value, which is why they hit the civilian part of the bridge, both the us and the united kingdom have green late have for you know, green lit for the coverage game to launch attacks in cried media. so they're beyond

complicit. they're actively involved here also say a teenage bill was killed in the plant, enjoy it. and so i don't know where some pot apply may have several regional governments. buildings are also damaged. the highs and terrace threat level was put in place on the peninsula, and the russian regions bordering ukraine, russian defense, the faith says such attacks on climbing. i could've been long from one of the black c safe cordele setup for the glendale mazda is deadline passed earlier this week with the m a. d. wondering any ship now headed to the crew. any important to be considered as a threats to russia also quit to design deals, and the west has failed to fulfill its obligations. due to the termination of the black sea initiative and the closure of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 0100 hours most good time, on july 20 2023. all vessels traveling in the black sea to ukrainian ports will be

considered as potential carriers of military cargo. process size is now a vote, is security guarantees along the black sea card, or warranty that any country sending a ship that may be considered the participant in the conflict. mosca has also, while i'm down the merits, i'm humanitarian co, the term temporarily reinstated the script floating in the north, west and waters of the black sea. as well as this finding. the joint coordination center and assemble cave is now thinking, alternative ways to explore this way. and actually try into a substance you rushing and safety guarantees the shift from those of the us or didn't care. but in washington reject to the idea with bloomberg. so i think the official, if you're still says, let's say that they would step in either the eu has also pushed back on the plan by blocking glen bulus, the number of eastern european countries made local concerns about the impact on prices. now let's take a closer look into why the russian says it's good. the blacks,

the green initiative. well, most of the claims the west has not lifted a 5 on agricultural machinery, excellence to russia as agreed upon, or look for the navigation for russian vessels and access to us in books. the deal was also meant to help developing countries southern with the food causes. although physicians, they received only 10 percent of mays and 40 percent of with exports. russia, along with other un security council representatives, criticize what they called less than hypocrisy. regarding dwayne, do, i was listening, we listened carefully to your statements and were again struck by the degree of cynicism of the western members of the security council away from the very 1st days we do, everyone's attention to the sideways with the initiative diseases to correspond to reach the originally surgical and your however, no steps have been taken to correct this trend for it was a green deal was important not in our interest,

but in the interests of the countries of the world. there are most as needed according to you in that around 53 percent of export on the breaks. the deal is going to know income countries. why i income come through to get around 45 percent and there is that need to income states. i don't have a heat, ro side is repeatedly stated in recent days that he is willing to concede, receiving the black sea grain on the certificate to give a substantive progress can be made and the limit age and obstacles to ross the 2nd order of grain and fertilize us or china homes that relevant policies will act and maintain international food security and alleviating the food crisis in developing countries. and special effects and sold st l y z this. and that is most of the decision is a result of attempted. a tax and game is naval fleet under the guise of ex,

folding food. the west is the, as usual, it seems like it's the habit, did not honor their portion of the agreement. and, and essentially block, although there was those sites and found the rain and the fertilizer. so basically the west did not live up to the airport. the agreement rush was very patient, the extended beyond the continuing. the other aspect of this is the a miss hughes by ukraine. specifically the intelligence the organization, and potentially supporting intelligence organizations. um, by using those indiana to your in quarter to a launch to basically the skies to potentially with launch attacks. whether that's under the water under water drones or the regular drill and attack, whether it's smuggling information or, or essential armaments and etc,