are not the case for drama and austria. now, what are you doing in russia? you're that was the mafia. you, you are. i mean, russia, this russia phobia to this russian enter russian sentiment has come up again in austria, in germany over the last few years. and i was like a cultural damage in a many people, especially, also wanted to take the russian money. everybody was happy about the rich russian tourist lions and people who made large parts of the economic economy flow. because they, they created the companies there about it. that was also the case that indiana medical doctors would say, we don't refreshments anymore. now we talked about this was a full day of, of let me ask about what the many people here in the russian describe as russian your center has meant. i've heard many political scientists suggest that over the last couple of centuries, the russia has developed nothing or technological, but a psychological and almost a spiritual dependence on europe. we see europe as a,

as an appeal to me, of everything, positive progress, if, as the sort of unreachable even where we want to go. but just like in the bible, there's always this angel with the file, restore the gate, and we are always being pushed away from there. do you think rock europe has ever been? what's the rush of projected it to be when we look at it's very rough. she goes off morris, i would say there was that we have seen in central and western europe, but here's when we think of the wall. so to us, when you're single other religious was protestant catholics, which was not only about the religion of, of power. well, of course the figures are much higher than any kind of civil strife. you either have on russian territory or in the middle east. um and uh, many, many wars that we have seen in on the european continent it was always about either or it was always very black and white. and the, the did,

or the accomplishments that you have that you're referring to, to europe. i know it's from the middle east. i know it's from us from a generation that i'm fortunate. this already disappeared, but when i was in my twenties, these people were in the seventy's and they had gone to cambridge to hide back to paris throughout half french house. drumming in the hall then they, they were in love with europe and they taught me a lot about european culture. we stay a passion for plastic and music of philosophy, which sometimes we, the europeans, i would say it on the estimate to this our cultural legacy. we need it, maybe that's a russian emma grand or a lebanese student. what, what troy, attention to and um the, the europe that you're referring to existence in between. it was maybe at the court of my mom and sheila and good to were discussing and have

a double stare. i mean that there was a strong competition between so many small courts, maybe the big difference from between the russian history and the many european histories to have to go step. not one is that um, especially in the, on the territory of what is today. germany, austria, and other central european countries. it was quote, a holy roman empire of german nation, which they faxed to hundreds of small quarts of very small quotes, bottom bottom by ma, tooling and, but that's also, that's true competition. and you have ms. daniel had counsel dukes who, who tried to attract the most uh, the price minds of those times. some of them went bankrupt, wider, investing in art or a new cause of but that's also brought to competition on the opposite of it on the university level to give you one example that always made a mistake. so you can give me that example. after a short break, but we have to take it right now. we've the back in just

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the welcome back to world to part with officer his former minister for the 1st karen, can i so let them play so before i so rudely interrupted you, you were talking about how this um a positive impression, all 5 germany and the brothers your was actually rooted in reality, in the previous centuries, but i think it was also the russian perception of the 20th century, especially associated with the rule of law because i was born in the waning years of the soviet union. and i remember, you know, like, and, and put in being very young, even when he was a vice may or all 5 st. petersburg, my hometown, there was a lot of talk about, you know, german law or austrian discipline and the treatment of everybody as equal before. the lord the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty. when you look at how you were treated or

how some of the russian nationals are now being treated, what do you say happened to that concept? the babylon accepted as somebody who started lol. i'm simply struck i'm, i'm shocked by what's going on. the way law has been twisted confiscation, cutting of bank accounts, lists have replaced loss. this is the put it in, and i've tried to come back to which found, which we discussed before. and uh, let me put it in a little bit of irony. but when you were accused of witchcraft and 17th century, you're welcome to books to the court. you look forward to it, but at least you report your crime. you have done so with the demo you hutch, the price of the children. in my case, i own insurance, by sheer coincidence that i'm collect listed, and i don't even know my crimes. but the effect of that is i'm not allowed to open a bank account. i'm not allowed to work. it's a defective proficient to work, which i,

it's asking me to talk to permission to. we don't have socials of anything. how can you or you cannot open your bank account, this makes your life impossible. uh, so when i compare it to the witch trials, the 17th century, which by the way also happened only in germany. they know there were some in that in the united states as i, in the united states. but to my law, that's nothing that i show you have by jago who is a kind of motion it's. she's more the kind which um, as she is uh, she's both black and white. and i think that's actually a distinct feature of the russian culture. and the russian collect a psychologist that we have seen our shadow. we have incorporated it and we know our own the evil. unlike the europeans who only see the, their shiny side, but seeing the world in that time frame, i had the many and destructive consequences as you know, in the 20th century. how is this treatment of fuel, or of russians as bad?

the russians and the russians are treated collectively as a, as a bad nation. how is it different from my dividing people into cooper and internationally? i don't know. this is, this is an old story that unfortunately, we have seen pushed to the extreme on the us 20 eastern front by the german army and also by the austrian soldiers when it came to the russians. the way we made about $3.00 to $20.00, to as well described and which was less than the collective consciousness overdone, of the soldiers came as occupiers liberation, whatever you call them, depends on the, on the webpage point. when they arrived and brought in indiana in, in, in the case of, of a fresh oh, i would say it's all, it is all to east west by cuts. i mean, and that we can also go back to the ultimate war times. we can go back to, there was between persia and the greeks. it to states, you know, that is the big, far east, the wide to the dark,

the also terry and eased it all comes back now. uh and the is the light uh, wide, shiny place of the west. i since i work a lot in indiana to our markets i, i know the stereotypes when it comes to the air up muslim shakes. uh, like committing the pool, western items fuel man. oh, with my $272.00 i price, is it still a serial car or the evil rushing towards mounting the is? it wasn't smelly, seem and a rush. i'm just wanted to you. uh, since you mentioned your expertise in the energy field, i'm sure you've heard this recent rev. busy nation's 1st name or hersh, pulitzer prize winner about to report as many of the american special services being behind the explosions on the north stream pipelines. putting aside the morality of this issue, if we believe this respectable journalist, why dissing the americans even needed to order something like that, or to execute something like that because the europeans were already putting disciplined and towing deadline. and why would they resort to such measures?

because it's essentially an industrial terms, man, it's all sort of the shifting of the norms in any way. definitely. uh, i was sure that they would make the most, that not string to which is only the expansion of an existing pipelines would never go online. that, that, that's most my conviction, but i never expected them to blow it out. this of course, is, as you say, the negative terrorism as a pre defense, i'm not sure relations, but they were upset with this topic. so anyway, in my account this, um, it was old time, not strict, not stream. uh and uh, a few obsession. how to uh, put its i gave a lot of thoughts to it, but uh uh, we saw it already in 2014 coming. not stream to was not yet on paper, but we had done cell stream. otherwise, the pro check to connect uh the russian a terminal. no, the soonest was to buy gary and port i single voice up. and uh there was

a lot of pressure by the us onto a pink commission. they done some latasha project and directions. i'd waited for a few months and what's, what's happened and fostering never materialized. so it was trying to the took strip and that was the time when the took go. russia energy corporation also started for a very solidly into account since it, since you mentioned turkey because turkey has a similar experience. was sort of wanting be to be part of a big. busy hub, being pushed away, interfering, and your team politics and the many different ways over centers and now also pursuing its own the very interesting game. how do you see these 2 countries play out both among themselves and the, with your, given that the europe a so positional towards russia. right now, do you think the same treatment will be given to turkish on it sooner or later? but i think the tokyo to kia still fisher caught themselves now has

a, has done it's up to most to be taken serious on an equal level. they were you related at service instances and um and they, they are now of course it was a wondering if, if your practice admitted entity, your opinion in a, some claim might just take 5 years since they've created sync up or shorter it, it raises a lot of questions, not on it. ok, a hall also and other cities, wherever people have been coming up and fulfilling requirements and to the, the, to tucker side of sink looks at europe. not only that as an economic partner. this also, he started ties desk, buffalo, southeast europe, the bulk on swell of 2 months. the president at the meal of them on policy that has

been practiced by the a could be, is very much into that and their, their, their present ethical ties. but also that does not forget that as a tester of millions of troops living inside europe in the netherlands in germany, burden is to force city of turks. after it's simple, it's me. i color, it's billing with several 1000000 of turks, the road that to t as today when in, in, in the current climate of conflict is the, are the only ones will still practice diplomacy in the general sense of diplomacy. and he wrote about it in your other book about the not the art but the cast of diplomacy. we like to little because it pays homage to the very complex and painstaking nature of this profession. it takes a lot of knowledge, lot of grip. a lot of perseverance, a lot of uh, parts of work. i'm a bit of uh, good luck. do you think we would ever come back to the, to the craft of diplomacy, respecting, diplomacy as a profession?

yeah. for that, it's the 4th need also your equipment policy, people who have what tenants, we have another until the 10th people, unfortunately in, in, in, in diplomatic stuff all across the cold. but we have to more talented one. when you, when you go east, we have to more professional ones. when you go east, that is, that car is please uh, is that structure minister of foreign affairs inside the russian minister of foreign affairs where there's also it is adults mindset that's i'm missing and willingness to study your neighbor. i think him after receiving yourself without a shy and so we have seen it's, it's step from the united states. it's prob, very much practiced by your countries just at the, to the transforming the, you know, transformer, this diploma. say it's a technical term and us foreign policy. look at what's going on. now, in budapest, you have high ranking us officials arriving and pulled up best and telling them off, you know, what has to happen in terms of media and what has to happen in terms of,

of, to determine that's not the way to tappen. we're talking on the background of a very tragic for that's happening in the neighboring country and you have some understanding of both the russian mentality, you know, the russian leader personally. and i think you would agree with him with me rather than him uh that the whatever it was that it was on his mind when he authorized this millage reparation wasn't an easy decision for him knowing what he knows what he talks about, the ukraine. what do you think may i persuade him to call. busy it quits. what do you sing? what, uh, persuade russia to put an end to this fighting what it was from the early days of proxy war. it was from the very early day and an antagonist, them not only about the territory, i'm in territory,

as ones saying never was true to tara tara dispute. it was one about the big a topic of security security guarantees. and so since we have to buy the lot the psychology collective consciousness, geography that you have another area, um that is uh, there's an experience in the russian mindset that the, that why this innovation stumbles this fragmentation and also the role of this. let's go back to the end of diplomacy of early twenty's century. i always thought that the, the transport of lean in from switzerland to saint petersburg in 1917 was the last minute decision to, to get the rest of the east on from snow. so red book fly in austin, historian, elizabeth parish. i learned that actually to have been a long, a long reach of fallback reaching into my a to 9 to development and how to for our commands,

russia and the support of the bunch of exhaust plants, which was not the most will, it was not the majority of representative movement of the russian stem, the money from the out of the money from mister hed pumps, powerful so organized old that was moving into it. it was all about trick matting. russia the then, but it's the front of for as a foster i said before 1914, i a rush that is too big. that's what kind of tech it doesn't have to make sure that it's on the house implodes from inside. so do you think that there's only a mindset of the current decision makers because they do not make an impression of people who actually studies, you know, books does. no history does, cuz it's a historical approach about when you hear from the think tanks university, just people and even that is now as sort of the development of, of make it e u plus the waiting rooms you know, to hear being committed to somehow recreate the plus, in why thing may be russian reach of russian or position as they say,

it goes back to interference. it goes back to frick mounting. well, not even this has been this fascinating conversation. thank you very much for that . i don't, that's like i'm, i'm thank you for watching hope to hear again on the world's a part of the the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy from foundation. let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only

personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk the russian states never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community. most all sense enough. on the same assistance the case of mine is too far, must be the one else calls question about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on rochester routing and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services for the question,

did you say steven? twist, which is the shit, it's the what happened is another terrorist attack of the key ever seen this crime is senseless. there will be a response from russia. the russian president calls ukraine's attack on the crimea and bridge an act of terrorism and involves a respond of the incidents killed him, another installed, but leaving the doors as severely with the city. and finally, being evicted by is wally settlers. say tele thieves. apartheid like way seems to be dealt with people calling from international legal protection. this, the legal displaced the for this is for the national and low says comments with

extra finance and he is living in nature for them. we are rather than to suppose to be in the protective by the international. unfortunately, we are not the 4th of this week. we will as marks, nelson mandela day. only bring the legacy of the for myself. applicant, anita, and anti apartheid icon a decade on the he's got the a very welcome. you're watching the weekly here and on the international little the latest world news updates along with around the, the stories the shapes, the week us. let's use a, a russian forces intercepted 28 ukrainian phones heading for crimea. that's according to the defense ministry as one day off to a deadly key of attack on the crime in bridge which the cranium. presidents have identified as a target that must be neutralized the resume of cruising called the incidents and

acts of terrorism and valid the military response muscle. so this one actually did with another terrorist act, was committed on the bridge. civilians were killed, a child was injured and left without parents. the family had left to go to crimea from the belgrade region. i asked to provide all the necessary assistance to the injured girl and her relatives to f. s. b. the investigative committee and a number of other agencies had been instructed to investigate the incident in detail. what happens is another terrorist attack of the key of regime. this crime is senseless. from a military point of view, it has no meaning that since the crimean bridge has not been used for military transportation for a long time, and cruel, because innocent civilians were injured and killed. of course, there will be a response from russia. the ministry of defense is preparing to correspond to your proposal. he rushes onto our committee said to you quite enable twins, damage the bridge and the house of monday. a criminal pro has been launched. the route to is

a key gateway from the russian main lines to the peninsula. this hot killed him

martha and father and entered the teenage door. the meanwhile, top us officials have distanced washington from the deadly incidents thing. the decision making for such attacks lies with keith. we don't take it upon ourselves to determine legitimacy or legitimacy of targets at the premium. so they're fighting for their own country on the, the courage bridge. this is the situation that we're, we're monitoring, of course, you train us to decide how it conducts this war. in defensive it's, it's territory, it's people, it's free. we're supposed to global effects on security, especially as monks a boat,

and he believes such incidents on ukrainian attempts to shift public sentiment in russia. the only way for the camera, james only holds not only of, of, not really of waiting this conflict, but coming out of it in any type of complete situation is to shatter the morale of the russian people to make them turn on the government. they know the conflict cannot be one military. they know that they're already exhausted out of artillery shells and vehicles that can usefully be supplied to the key every game. that's why they've always been more concerned about optics about the information war. then with any actual strategic value, which is why they hit the civilian part of the bridge, both the us and the united kingdom had green late have for you know, green lit for the cambridge game to launch attacks in cried mia. so they're beyond complicit. they're actively involved here on thursday. a teenage girl was killed in

a ukrainians, wrote a talk on the western part of crime, the several regional government buildings was of damage to my heart. and terrorist threat level was put in place on the peninsula, on flushing regions bordering ukraine. they watched the defense ministry has said such a tax on crimea could have been launched from one of the blacks. the save. colorado is set up full of grain do. most goes deadline paused early this week with the other day warning, and he said now headed to a ukrainian pose could be considered a switch to russia. let's go click the green deals thing. the west has failed to fulfill its obligations. due to the termination of the black sea initiative and the closure of the maritime humanitarian corridor from 0100 hours most good time, on july 20 2023. all vessels travel in the black sea to ukrainian ports will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. russia says it's not revoked, it's security guarantees along the blacks,

the colorado warning that any countries sending a ship that may be considered a participants in the conflicts. most goes also owns on the maritime humanitarian power during temporarily. we in stages of threats warning in the north, west waters off the black sea as well as desponding, the joints codes nation sensor and is stumble kia, visit now. so you think alternative ways to export it's grain initially trying to substitute russian safety guarantees by ships with those from the us. so took a but washington rejected. the idea with bloomberg sizing official to officials is a saying they wasn't stuck been either a, you have those, they pushed back on ukraine by blocking great impulse to a number of eastern european countries, a bit local concerns about the impacts on prices. let's take a closer look now would, why russia say that quit the black sea great initiative most go times the west is not listed a bond on agricultural machinery exposed to russia as agreed upon o, unlocked for you navigation for russian vessels and access to western ports the

green bay, the deal rather was those i meant to help developing countries struggling with the food cries is all the figures. so they received only 10 percent of mays, of 40 percent of weight expos rusher alone. without the un security council representatives criticize what they called western hypocrisy regarding the grain deal, or whether you might and i was listening, we listened carefully to your statements and were again struck by the degree of cynicism of the western members of the security council. from the very 1st days we drew everyone's attention to the fact that the initiative ceases to correspond to the originally stated goal. however, no steps have been taken to correct this trend. the green deal was important not in our interest, but in the interest of the countries of the world there are most in need. according

to you in that i own the 53 percent of export on the breaks. the deal is going to low income countries. why i income come through to get around 45 percent and there is to be need income states. i don't have a heat. ro side is repeatedly stated in recent days that he is willing to concede a resume in the black sea grain any such if you've substantive progress can be made and the only man agent, obstacles to ross's export of grain and fertilize us or china homes that relevant parties will act in maintaining international fu secuity and alleviating the food crisis in developing countries. we spoke to international affairs consulting rasmussen and he believes most goes decision is a result of a 10 to the talks against it's naval fleet. tons of the guys of exposing food in the west is as usual, it seems like it's the habit, did not honor their portion of the agreement and, and essentially block. although there was those sites on the brain and the

fertilizer. so basically the west did not live up to the airport. the agreement rush was very patient, the extended beyond the continuing. the other aspect of this is the, the misuse by ukraine. specifically the intelligence organizations and potentially supporting intelligence organizations. by using those. and man, it's here in quarter to the launch to basically disguise, essentially with that with lots of tax, whether that's under sea water under water, drones or the regular grown attacks, whether it's smuggling information or, or essential armaments and etc, and score assassination attempts k as a has a case small scale of targeting civilian infrastructure, saying russia damage, they could fees role during us twice. almost as he of a desa,