there is nothing noble about this conflict, it's just another huge grip. those in power want to keep it that way. the the hello, i'm manila chan you are tuned into modus operandi with the us putting one eye on ukraine and the other on taiwan leadership across the middle east. seem to have

made inroads towards peace between syria being. welcome back to the arab league and saudi arabia as they taught with iran. are we witnessing the birth of a new mid east sans the americans will discuss it. all right, let's get into the m o. the after more than a decade removed from the block, syria has made its return to the arrow bleed. after nearly 10 years of civil war and conflicts against terror groups brochure l. a sod made his 1st trip to join the link summit this year held in jetta. saudi arabia, sometimes called the league of arab states, the league boast 22 nations in what's considered the era world countries whose main language is arabic and combined. that's roughly 13000000 square kilometers with

around half a 1000000000 people. the 2023 catastrophic earthquake along the turkey syria border seem to how much of the lead put their differences aside to bring a to a heavily sanctioned syria. now to be clear, the majority of sanctions on syria are imposed by the us and collective west era league members where possible ignore the us pressure and sent aide to those devastated areas of sanction syria. as if that weren't surprising enough, seemingly out of the blue to the biggest kid on the block, saudi arabia emerged saying they has agreed to re establish diplomatic ties of with iran, the kicker. china brokering the data. now this news put the us on its back foot, scrambling to reassess its foreign policy projections. so joining us to discuss all of these moving parts in the region that is come work l mossey and he's an award

winning middle east commentator founder of seriana analysis. and independent syria news platform come or thank you so much for joining us. let's start with syria. so after more than a decade, syria has returned to the air of week president bashar al assad arrived in jetta on march 18th to a warm reception from the host country. saudi arabia. so 1st can walk, walk us through how or why syria was injected, or at least suspended from the block of which they were a founding member in the 1st place are actually in 2011, the are ably came under. heavy influence of cuts are and this tiny country about the reach with resources, especially with guys an oil. uh it was tasked by the united states to shape the outcome of the art of sprint. especially in, for example, the antonio in libya, in egypt and in syria. and if we see the sequence of events,

we see that there are some similarities between them. and that compartment took you, they played an instrument, your role in supporting the most in buttered groups in this countries. and hence the most in bought of it came to power, for example, in twenty's, yet 2011 in egypt in 2011. and also the ceiling of the mama duffy again in 2011 after the nato led invasion of the country. but on the ground, the groups uh, that's where waging the were against the cut off the forces. they were mostly from the most in border as well. so in 2011, there was a trend of in our big we say is when i is ation of the middle east and north africa and cut her was in charge of the arabic and the wanted by kicking out or suspending the membership of syria to isolate syria, diplomatically and especially in the region, and also to give digits, embassy to any escalade,

treat steps by 2 nightstands in syria that would come in the form of our mean gun training and sending for exempt them or the national geologist to syria. similarly, assuming everything happens, for example in dpi, and the optic gave a legitimacy to the invasion of natal into the beyond. this was back then headed by cuts are, as i mentioned. so when the suspension happens, there was a hope that syria would be isolated from its neighboring countries and then give a push to the us let the regime change were in syria, which was an u. c. i a colorado permit sion and now we know lots of details about it. it is called timbers to come here. and it was one of the costs of the best coverage operation in the history of the c i a and the most the cost list, i would say, arming and training corporation by the c i a independent are going into united states and the regional countries. after to of dentist on we're in the eighty's in the eighty's,

the united states use similar strategy which is arming and supporting the majority, dean and in college. lots of a young are ups to go and fight against the soviet union. and in 2011, the strategy was the same in, in syria. and we have to remember that the 1st, for example, foreign legion made up of heart codes. you how this was formed in november 2011 in, in syria, with the support of this region of congress. so the decision was very political and it was aimed at we can inc, serious position in the region in order to facilitate the removal of the shot that such some power. but it between 20112013. there was so many developments in the region and to start with use the imagery, ideas and some other countries. they realized that the outcome of this of aging change words that they initially supported in 2011 was not in their interest. and

they have differences with the most, embody hurt their, the ideal, adjust the most in budget. but they also realized that by allowing the most important to come to power in different countries in the, in the region a turkey has increased its influence over division. because aragon is also a elegance part is also an affiliate for the most in budget. and this is historically a red line for this are this we have to remember. for example, during the after autumn, an empire, the ultimate is expanded in the 11th and in north africa to the get it off, syria. and they found themselves in a similar situation where they're going to start to, to speak about the new ultimate dream. and she's a goal to establish a new ultimate empire in the region, and that he's arguing on different countries and he's already conscious and he's going to okay, fine. and this is it against the national security interests of saudi arabia. so they worked during this time to topple, for example,

i'm with mostly the president in egypt. and also they changed the system in their twenty's. yeah. once again. so there was a lucian and commentary pollutions happening during this time. so the automatic, unfortunately played, i would say destructible instead of trying to mediate, let's say, between the army countries or between the, the opposition and the governments. they came under heavy influence of katara, but eventually under heavy influence of the united states and back then, it was the obama and the clinton administration, who are guiding these outcomes. i would say of this revolution is any way that serves the strategic interest of the united states, but eventually this project has failed. and today we can say that today's or the discard ups i'm, it's a big sum. it inside the area of your injured the was the last name in the coughing of the a you us let's project to it's one i is what you summarize the region and especially

of dividend up. so you got to daughter uptake. thank you so much for that history. i mean it's very important for context here. i think so. so when syria gained independence from france after the adoption of the alexandria protocols in 1944, syria's saudi arabia were among the founders of this era. we so the parent do have a long, friendly history. russian syria relations go back to about 1970. how did russia manage this mediation between re, i'd and damascus? and actually the relationship between sar due it'd be, are in syria, witness several ups and downs in the past decades. and let's remember that the relationships were always okay between the both sides. but in the late seventies and early eighties when, when it came to power in eden. and after him, so bumps thing came to power with the support of the c i a in, in iraq in order to fight against the khomeini arca. and you know,

and engaged in large scale reward against each other and backed in half as an asset . the father of the sharp, she sided with it on against iraq and backed in is so the sand was financed by the americans to start with these and other guns, monarchies. so there was a decrease between the syrians and the saudis, let's say in, in the eighty's. but in early nineties, when the soviet union collapsed, syria found itself in a position that it doesn't have a strategic online or an international power that come back syria on the international scene. so when saddam sand this time invaded, quit suicide it. we quit, which, sorry, the it'd be, i would do united states against the bumper san and the relationships i had been repaired again with sort of the idea of you and the sagas invested a lot in syria. how? because in the early ninety's, syria was going through

a very dire economic situation. not similar to now, but it was very bad in the ninety's again. so the relationships were repair of the game to i would say 2005, it was ok in 2005, the destination of the former prime minister of hopefully by then you can have, you became and they're americans. and these right is accused to be off assessing. i think him and now in 2020 treat. they don't have any evidence for it. but despite that, the accusations were very political against syria. so the minister ship, so all of this upside down and then the art of a sprint came and started the ibm at the beginning, they were hesitant in joining the regime. change were again, syria. by the late, late 2012, they joined the regime change um efforts against syria. and let's remember what happened in 2015. then the been so tom came as the head of the saw the intelligence and bent up. and so ton is very, he has a very close ties to the new york ones in washington dc. he was named best center

and i saw the baby in the united states for a very long time. he was named best 100 of the saw this in the united states when the 911 attacks happened. and now since we, we have new information about 2 of the hijackers who are most probably um, there were assets for the saw the intelligence and the see i as well, of course without them knowing that they are assets. i'm no problem to be controlled, thinks about this person who has a mess of mind in the uh, waging um yeah. first like a tax terrorist attacks here. and there and bundle been system. ask the he called the other big for the ministers, defense ministers, head off intelligence or private. this is and he asked them to allocate to $2000000.00 to remove a shot aside from power. and this was confessed by the former for me to sort of cut off how many shifts i might have been just them who confessed that on the national

cuts ibt and said that's been done. but so don't ask this number. of course, they couldn't gutter a 2 trillion dollars, but the amount was in my estimates at least $200000000.00. and if we compare them the size of syria with the size of ukraine and the amount of support ukraine is getting them, for example, 150000000000 and didn't see a 200000000000 and the size of celia is very small compared to ukraine. i would say the amount of supports that the sorrow, the, is the categories that you're deter, gave to this, right? because you had this in syria are probably $5.00 to $6.00 times more. then the current support that the americans underneath the allies are giving to induce the lensky the he's forces and you're not too bad arguments in, in your current. so it was huge support. i would say yes. now there is, um, the circumstances have changed and they are also leadership changes in different of

the countries. and inside the area, i would say more from admin southern, at 1st 2 to 3 years, he was more of a war hawk. and he was involved in civil um military um engagements in the region in young man, and he will strengthening it on and he was blogging against it on and now it seems that my him says from a been said man change his attitude and it's very was coming because as far that it'd be as a powerful country and the amount of, i mean literally economic and religious power, that's all they have. you have if it is used for development projects in the region, the region could bloom in a way that is unprecedented. and it made it to me that is, could turn into a new west and europe, and i'm not exaggerating about that because the amount of was, that's all the, i mean, it'd be a cuts are and other countries have in the region if it's invested well. and it

seems that they are determined to do so. now after the conciliation switch, syria and even in other countries, i'm very optimistic and i'm very happy to see that out of the countries. and our leaders are showing different attitude, not only towards saving about, uh, towards the entire region, because this really reflect positively on people. imagine the money that they used for destroying syria. i'm speaking about at least $200000000.00 for developing projects in syria. and for finding jobs, and i would say that syria would have been now similar to debate and that would be in other more developed countries in the region who are witnessing good is strong in that they cannot make strength, but also in their infrastructure in their security and uh, i would say now with these, um, to buy and sorry, the it'd be our safer and the social welfare, i mean,

they couldn't make what are there on the way better than in western europe. for example. coming up next, the dragon appears in the desert, china and dropping surprise. news that coffee us off guard will discuss it when we return with come work almost in sit tight, the m. o will be right back. the the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by how us tired vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once

a better wills. and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusions, going underground? can the welcome back to the m. o i manila chance people often forget that the middle east region is actually a part of the asian continent. as such, it should come as no surprise when the biggest country and asia steps in to mediate a dispute. we're talking about china brokering they talk between saudi arabia and iran, come work l mossey on is by is back with us. thank you so much for sticking around to work. so perhaps one of the bigger surprises out of the middle east lately was that they taught between the saudis and iran that was broken by china. given the

years of what many would describe as, as proxy wars between the 2 countries in various theaters in the region, the southern diplomatic ties, why is there a revived bilateral relationship between saudi arabia and around right now specifically? and how did china end up the broker actually, and nobody saw that this data is coming. and so we haven't heard about negotiations between the sort of this and the into your audience, with the mediation of china. it was a surprise. we were all clicking on surprise and it's a very happy news. and i would say there are different factors and this number one, the americans are of 2 of the withdrawal from afghanistan and completely focusing on the ukraine on taiwan. they have, they haven't abandoned me. the east, but their strength, they are very over stage, not right now. and if we see the cycle of an empires united states is living,

it's the last 3rd of the cycle. so it's, it's, it's leaving, it's last thirds of its empire period. and they have to prioritize their political diplomatic, economic, and military capabilities around the world. so the moment the americans, we say now that big, they pulled their hands from, from the region and there are other powers who came in to trying to fill the vacuum in china. is we presenting it serves as, as a power that can um, broker deals uh, security deals and diplomatic deals and economic deals with these strong regional powers. but also china is presenting incentives for them to make peace because the americans, they are for decades. they were using the divide and conquer strategy and turnings, neighbors against each other, because it was a beneficiary for them financially beneficiary. and now when we say, when,

when i mentioned the united states, i specifically mean the military industrial complex. and those are included in the hands of a few, a tiny, and it's in the united states. so the united states as an economy, as a people, they're not benefiting from this proxy wars, orthodontic tours that are triggered by the united states. it's the only these tiny elliots benefit from it. however, the china is giving incentives to this countries. it is showing them there is a possibility for economic integration between the chinese economy and these regional powers. and it's, it has presented, it's uh, for example, um, seems comfortable the initiative and how would you see the kind of initiative can reflect on the economic welfare of the people. and when defend regional countries engage in economic integration. the chances for immediate treat conflicts between them also diminish. and this is a concept that china is presenting in the region. and i think it's very welcomed.

and because the, the interest of china is in establishing peace in the region. and the interest of the united states is to keep the region in constant turmoil. so they are the 2 different approaches and both china, of course, it's becoming more huge a mon, in the region and united it's also wants to stay here, do more in the region, but a fortress are different. and i think i the, because the saw these have a vision now and the economic vision and they are preparing themselves for the era posts or era. and they want to establish an economic hub in inside the area. creat industrial cities create technological cities in, inside the it'd be one of the examples that i heard recently. that's all data is building a c, t a and attracting a, it's a technological city and attracting software developers and game developers to come

to sort of the of, it'd be on the look online games and people may underestimate this, but the future. and if you, if you see where are we heading to, into the digits in words, this could be a main hub in the region for software development and also for gaming development, for example, which will. and then each saw the end, it'd be a lot. and this is a concept of mohammad been settlement that all is important, but the not using the oil in development projects is a passive thing to do it, which saw the maybe i did for a long time instead of creating this industrial cities and then technology co technological cities, they were investing their money in the worst, they're investing it in creating a will heavy schools abroad. they're using it for proxy, worse here and there. and now they have a different incentive. and, and i think the mentality plays in import control here. and it,

it comes old to m b s from a been sort of man. where do you like him or you hate him to. it doesn't matter. but she is doing what's in the best interest of saudi arabia at the moment, and also for the original development. in my opinion. lastly, staying with syria after that box, us withdrawal from afghanistan, many thought the us might finally withdraw troops from syria's eastern region where both the oil and wheat fields are. what do you for see happening there? are they gonna leave any time soon? i to the us occupation forces are in syria to 1st steal the oil, sell it to the black market in turkey, and sign in their presence in syria and also to cooksey for us that they trained there around 50 to 60000. they called them the serbian democratic forces. they

wants to keep the order and the wheat away from damascus. so the fruit and the energy energy is very important for the constructing syria. they want to hold that card for themselves and barking. it's probably in some other strategic 5 and the width is um, it's a foot or so. so there is an energy and foot board against again syria as well. in my opinion, when trump came to power, he wanted to withdrawal, and he was serious about his intention to be true. but the pen thought going into ca, went against him. and they told him this is a red line because they cannot withdrawal from their perspective from syria before achieving a ser, the striking certain deals most was and up until this moment that must, because it refuses to give concessions to, to the united states. because in damascus, the, in their understood, in their understanding of international politics that things are changing into

regions and in, in, on the global level, especially after the ukraine work. and with the increasing pace of the, of the process for heading toward the multi puller word city is finding itself in a position that if the gift concessions through the united states, there will be a time, sooner or later that the united states we lose, it's gonna be in all cases over division. so why would they give a concession to the united states now and boost twice? and so there is this argument in damascus that of the day is going to come after the ritual of the turkish real compassion forces from syria that united states would be cornered that the turks don't want them there because they are training for additional dishes. the servants don't want them there, and they'll just sort of this thing on the phone and force us with retro from, from, from the region. so at least diplomatically speaking, they will be isolated. and it's the, the dimension is not sustainable because they have $900.00

a troops there. it's not like they have 9000 troops. they don't have advanced air defense systems. so syria onto this moment, they didn't engage and hosted. it is like a direct posted. it is against the us, so confusion forces. but if there isn't military efforts against the u. s. will commercial force has been u. s. needs to bring its air force needs to bring its boots underground and it's very close to operation. and they don't want to do that, so i don't see the united states has a future in syria. they withdrew also know later. and we can use the statement of the former us investigator to syria. have a word for it as an evidence for that that you said we're going to withdrawal from syria. it's better for the courage to strike a deal with the mosque was before withdrawing, leaving them behind, and abandoning them just like we did with our allies, enough kind of stuff. so my opinions are probably already have done must go, should be uh, reconciling with the kurds in the eastern shore of the fight is striking

a deal with them, giving them culture to rights, allowing them to teach kurdish endeavor schools and speaking kurdish in their communities. and it's allowed to speak a kurdish, but the official language drops out. so you guys are a big and if you go to, for example, annual official center or offices, you have to speak arabic, not the kurdish. every county has its different components. we do not divide countries on ethnic entity, just bases federalism in i would say in the countries that was divided. for example, like in germany, which was divided east and west. they were allies, the communists were here, it was very fragmented for it of it isn't. combines the fragmentation, but when you have a unified country, you do not further advise it and try to divide it into a different piece. it's just my opinion. could work out last in award winning, middle east commentator, founder of seriana analysis. thank you so much for your time. thank you so much.

alright, so there you have it. it seems like when the us leave so called feuding countries alone, a lot of good can happen in that vacuum despite mainstream media parroting state department talking points that the u. s must act as the world's police, because others might argue, there less police and more instigator. that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila. chad. thank you for tuning and we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o the what is the ukraine complex? really all about we're told was about democracy. others say it's about degrees,

baseboard or whatever that to me. in fact, there is nothing noble about this conflict, it's just another huge grip. those in power want to keep it that way. the as you do is you think i'd like to know what the key business key part and what i'm looking for that. yeah, cuz i don't mind what they've done that or the way you well, but i'm here, but i didn't know if they've gone those of us at the storm or one, but at the end of the class, i think most public enough for me to send them yeah, i'm sure it's not that you must be doing to phone go to the number. it's all about because i have

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