as a boy of 10 his own there, he saw how king germany, deborah, who resides of a tribe of confidence by listening to each and every chief from the villages before coming to a consensus. so he lynch to be believed that that she was through watching tribal council and she became a consultative leader because he knew that you as a leader, you cannot leave, you cannot lead on your own. you needs to listen to the voices surrounding you and she became the leader that to us, to watch and type a concert. so in essence, for me, lead is, i'm groomed from an 80 age. you can start as an a 1000 because i believe that it at a certain age, your identity as a testing or really crystallize before when to change the way they use things, their thought processes. we should step in any age because it isn't in there that the a bit pliable to, to, to bowl, to was a positive change. you have to do that. you want to actually lease on their life.

you know, system delicate. this is a very interesting point. in my discussions about greats a free can, i can see from the south and the north of the continent. i have 3 lives that they own. a jo from the traditions of the continent. they what very localized and their philosophy and i was look and they would never separates from the come solve the tribes of the cities and their religions. how important do you think this is still today to actually go back into the color, shut of the roots of african people and joe, good lessons and good values to tech in contemporary issues like as a great monday legit. it's very important. it was, it's, it's if you look at nationalities that have stage 2 to the essence of, of, of, of culture and heritage in tradition. you can see how they have moved,

allows you to look at this. if chinese, if you look at most, and people who have said they have states to, to the, i, to the a culture and you find the culture of african cultures that have been pliable to the western influence, they kind of lost it is, is so in the case of elastic that we, i, for my did, you know, through our television by popular culture. and that is, is that loss of all identity? is it people? and if we lose identity of, of, of ourselves as a people, then who are we know, one of the things that i might have on my grandfather is his sense of self. his sense of identity. if you remember when you're in the window of being sentenced at the time, he wore his traditional, regardless that goes to emphasize that he is an african man of timble culture. that is being sentenced by a judy energized back is most of his p a. that is most of his culture and that's was a reinforced way he came from. i mean listen to now in july 18th were unveiling especially

of him dressed in transition of the gun that in his vision. and that is to actually to reinforce of ourselves as a closer people, as the table culture that this is where we come from because who we are fully where is who we are and who become we can never lose sight of where we come from. is it people because if we do, we become lost. so even in the use of today, we need to be emphasized of the culture. our way of doing that is because before closing, as came to our continent, there was a ways actually did things that we bought them amongst which are that we, we've traded we, we had the way of life and that's the way of life served as well as the people and i believe that it is time was we can concentrate on the context of today. we consistently then from the culture of fully off the people. it's not only kind of shut out adults that are hard realities of structural injustice in south africa.

and in the continent in general, and much of these structures with imposed from outside the global capitalist system . colonialism which were up to the land, the natural resources of the continent, and divided the nations of africa into sufficient states. can we advance a policy? can an economic agenda that is fine, a frequentist and can unite african nations. but from how to economic and political stand, not just political stunt meaning, for example, i sent the bank for africa currency for africa, open markets, independence from 4 in debt and such how does it shows that the younger generations in africa are discussing right now? not just the culture of the shows what country that is and kind of is

a level leadership, lack of leadership, this level of leadership. i mean, africa is rich in, not only in terms of neuro resources is rich in terms of, i remember land, we have the biggest largest population of young people, which i not forecast was the needs of the and what's stopping us is the lead is actually have chosen and does a saying that that the people because of the need of the, the, the choose and instead of actually choosing the does according to correct or it's in what the problem is that they would do in the kitchen office. we need to be able to choose the, does that make a same at this, the same visual system of, of, of, as, as you and i, you know, because if you only choose according to eventually that's where we go wrong. as a people, we can have all of those things that you're talking about as long as we have to be tested. because elidah is also mindful cause the most to say to from the top down and of the s as a chair that is important is from,

from bottom up. and you need to be able to cut across all the strength of society. be a heads of state civil society. and the one thing that is lacking in africa is a robust civil society. because the civil society organizations become the vanguard of the people, you from only dependent politicians, to do what would benefit the vast majority of the people who own always fall short. we need to have the robust of a society that would be the actual then go for people, the youth that we're talking about. if they can be able to form robust, civil society advice that gender of the people and hold the lead us to account. because that's what we don't do. we choose to do that, which would never hold them talk. com. fees is temperature spectrum. can you go have an active civil society and good leadership with the dominance and may not believe that into the nation. and,

but these have over the resources of the content, you have the world bank, the international monetary funds. you have the international corporations that are controlling the natural resources of africa, including gold and oil, and coup out and all of this without owning it back it swells. how could a fee to advance ahead and build its own society from within? would you say that it's also still a politic so for the duration needed for the contents, vs. but we need to have a bit of a 4th because who allows the western powers to have control it is as weakness in the company is the weakness and the confidence. so if we, we, we started believing also in, i'll also relay to as a continent to be able to wrestle the control that the western powers have all the us, they will effect with what, what are you doing? well, i have, you know, i have the nation close, they tended the foundation,

which is named after my father, and that is a, it has 3 people. it is health education, youth development and youth development. we look at issues of call champ, because we have out on the landing in south africa, and this is not just a foundation for 5. i say it is a global foundation because we have, we have a specific, kindly requesting change in the warehouse space. because if you look at it and been in a very close to industry and this is a full industry to go and, and probably why they, a virus such as they have the people that i really need that as well as i those in the different areas because they are far away from industry. so we leverage on the 4th index of admission, tens of computer live sensitive, which is s plus those in the library is in, in advancement of people in the rural areas. because our fitness of who is that, we believe the gifted children in the run it as read before, through the cracks because of a nickel resources. so we try to resume that gift,

that the children in and been in it isn't it is, i'm sorry. how do you find the connection with the young generations of south africa? is that a common language you coming from the tradition of liberation, of struggling for freedom and social justice and the harsh circumstances? and then, having lived in different reality, i faced with new challenges. different bid is a common language between you and the younger generations in south africa. it doesn't exist that much. and i believe that this can be based of dialogue, the intergenerational data. and we always be moving back to the just don't understand where would come from. we had a conversation yesterday to say that, you know, the use of today don't believe that africa is a, is a phenomena continent and we stand on the shoulders of giants that lead africa in this is jordan struggle times and it is we have field fitness generation because we

have not had this intention, the nation of dialogue was actually then empower. they used to understand a lot where we come from and we need to understand that was that the context of we should be leaving to the we live in the, in the age of, or a i, in the age of 4, in the sense of the pollution and this to generation can have a common cause and meet this other halfway in terms of understanding where we both come from without this dialogues. and what i call intention of ation, as adults would, or whatever, you know, have something missing translation because we don't understand this as we speak at cross purposes on a freak and 11. you are now working on the creation of the free kind of legacy for them, for the descendants of the great leaders of the continent, from columbia to chroma, to julia, as now ready to na, so to them villa and many, many others. what is the idea behind that?

what do you want to achieve through creating such a for them? we've sending back our applicant, pen applicants. and because if you look at how the a us formed by our full this, by my grandfather, by, by the likes of judy, i seen that equipment from my, you know, and could, i help us? and i see this was the vision that they had for africa. so we're seeing that as the project, news of these luminaries let us do that a bit in terms of impacting the, the, the wisdom of our field is to the next generation, because we haven't touched parents without us handing a team. payton to the next generation college. in addition, our children move forever. and we need to have that really because our for best test page and to us. and we use our jude to, to make sure that this for them that's just for me informed is a useful where we come from that we have great to clinton and drag grease people

with live nation as a continent. and this has to go back to the 10 applicants and to be able to build a very strong and profit and trusted us after the young africans that you are trying to reach. they don't read necessarily books. they are not in to academic corks or lack of shows and conferences that move and to take talk and social media and music and dancing. are you prepared to sing and dance to get the message to them? we, we, we have to, we need to speak in the language of the youth. if we're done into phase with the, with how the, the, the, the view, the world and how the connect with the world one be able to reach them. you know, there's a saying that when they just say that if you speak to a person in the language, the understand just speak to the heart and the one to speak to the youth. we need to speak to them in the language of social media because it's their language, they understand what stopping us from. one, by the way to talk. so show

a know facebook and snapchat with that, with the messaging back to one. if you look at nations that have constant, that's had been deliberate and, and consistent in the, in the message of the able to change this type jeopardy, or how the, the, a country goes specifically the young people. because if there's any people that can change the child that sort of history, it is women as children, the african legacy for them after having dialogues and discussions online for a while. you are meeting face to face with each other for the 1st time. here in the beautiful city of saint petersburg in russia, with the occasion of the african russian summits, does africa needs to, at work with the globe of south starting from that's in america, brazil. sort of the brick school with india and china. and with such an

international power, i like russia to advance it's the abrasion politics to gain economic independence to discuss about african issues. is there a scope for such discussions here and there are software africans? yes, of course. i mean no man is an island. there isn't the biggest calibration was formed is that, you know, as nations we cannot do things singlehandedly. and i would say that, you know, the bricks, collaboration. we have done a lot of talk, you know, with, with china and, and, and the blogs in the individual operation by to have not to be emphasized. the russian said they did the russian part of that this television. and i believe that that is, is, is something else that's africa needs to concentrate on, in terms of advancing the agenda to once they did the things that wouldn't visage for future generations. so in the near future, we're going to see we and work on the ground in the continent for the forum. we're

going to see you around engaging with young people tackling cod of issues of, of today. i, i love the new interview with, with, with young people. i mean, and, you know, i have to talk accounts because that's really the, it's, i've seen that as i've been instagram account because the best way you can be able to reach them. and i believe in, in working in and doing programs actually change people's lives. i mean, i have 2 pets in the, in the me to move in because i believe that you do have a space in, in terms of talking about gender, gender based balance. i'm very of both cuz when it comes to teaching that baseline, so social issues are the issues that cause it comes to mind. you are talking about may j shows the big chat. you joe, is grand. it includes philosophy, culture, and look, and african roots. how does it kind of mix politics international the stage? are you up for that? well, i says, believe i'm still young, i'm youngish. so i,

i have the energy and i have been the legacy in the temperament to do that. and i strongly believe that in general, for 1000 miles, that's just one step. this is just about the best step of this forum being formed and asked meeting in passing in terms of making their way forward of all the how would be able to do it. but secondly, we want to the wic doctrine going to be due to reach classes because that's the way the majority of the people that need the way.