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they're able to link through each of what he finds to be a comprehension off the international web. back at the top of the i will send some of the welcome to our free can legacy. i am most the abraham, the julia snow, ready in the 1950s led the collective liberation movement that founded the country. ppo stands that neija as we know it. today. he achieved this against a background of violent colonialism that went on for decades for pressing the law can african population and dropping the land to

day, my guest julia has never read his son. mondanca never ready is working to preserve the legacy of his father and his collective movements, the legacy of negotiation, social justice, and african unity. he is a founding member of the forum for the defendants of the great historic and leaders of african liberation. it includes the members from the family of such a free can icons like this to mend della of south africa nasir of egypt some more. i'm a share of mozambique and many others. but can my director and his colleagues, his brothers and sisters connect the past with the present old liberation politics with a freak as contemporary election?

can he reach the hearts and minds of young generations in pennsylvania? he's country and the young in the whole of the continent of africa, brother, mother, i can wake them. thank you. what ignite's the fire in your heart, what makes you go on and keep doing this work? decades and decades after the start of the lucian intends any well, uh, the 2 things, which i think says place me where, where i am right now. uh 1st it's a realization that uh, the jet. the younger generation though, is over whelmed with information they receive a lot of information, not all of that information, it's relevant to our history. and so i meet regularly, i meet young people who have

a very little knowledge of our history and who i think need some of us who have that link with the past to connect them with this history. because it's a, it's our history we, we have to acknowledge it. we have to be proud of it. and i think part of my work is that, that exactly that to link the history that we have, including my father's legacy, to the younger generation. but the 2nd part is that i'm it's like i'm, i'm in this by accident because of the my father died in 1999. i moved back to the village. and when i moved back to the village where he's also buried, i realized that there is a lot of information on him, but he left including these papers, these books. and so i took this,

this is something that has to be shipped by without the convenience, and there's other people interested in that. but let's explore the relevance of your father's legacy to the yeah, that's you actually get to day. so tell us more about the work that you have been cutting out in pennsylvania before we move on to the pan african 11th. yes, as, as i mentioned, after he died, i moved back to the village where he was born and where he's buried. and what's the name of what you i'm it's called boot camp. it's in laws not last time for the most west at the near lake victoria. so uh, a soon after he was better does. it was lot of visitors with a lot of interest to come to visit with him a lot of times when you come to visit with him as a sign of respect. yes, as a sign of respect is a sign of respect to this lady. and uh i and my sister and one of my

sister realized that we must organize these visits so that when the visit has uh, come through with you. i'm a visa guy who provide some information, some basic information on leaving you, that he's, history is legacy. and so that's how i got into this work of preserving his legacy . now i says i went on and that's what he has passed. i realize that the a visitor who goes through the compound and then completes the, the, to within 30 minutes is different from a visitor who really wants to dig deep into the latest appointment. so this is what i am concentrating on right now. but we have to provide each type of visitor and a good experience. so that the, the satisfied with, with the information that they have requested once the visit. so it is more than

just kind of shut of tourism if you would like to engage with the visitors and make them aware of how relevant julia has no written julia as no read his legacy to 2 days times any and, and the great leader and they're ready, he had his social philosophy of justice, of change education, health for or, and he believed in the social structure of africa. and that solutions need to be organic from within the how is this important to at times any today in terms of facing it's challenges, economic and social and, and for and, and, and can. and how could julia as know, ready help i believe those policies never run out of state that they never become relevant. the only challenge that we face is that

for example, after he step down in 1985, we had the structural adjustment policies, which affected some of the policies that he had put in place. and gradually, you know, they were the minds to change the system from a socialist system to one which is the market driven and, and, and we know other challenges of the market economies. they don't always to make sure that everybody is taken care of. so um, so unfortunately we, we, uh, also uh, the victims of these demands by, if these wisdom agents has to, to, to change our policy is to fit the structure of the society to fit the i m f. and

the world bank, julius know ready famously opposed for an age and the dependence on foreign debts and who wanted to initiate. because i'm going to development from we've been with the symbol means that the african country has. he also initiated the program of land reform. i really kind of shut on. so most of his philosophy was based on the african concepts from within africa. and he tried to link that to an idea of pan african isn't. is this relevant today when most african countries are relying on the world bank and the i m. s, and on for in depth and for an 8? you know, the, the, one of the basic objectives of an african isn't, is really to unite all the african people,

peoples and peoples effects are going to be sent to work together collectively to harness the resources of the african continent. to make sure that those resources to benefit the people and bring about social, economic and industrial development. so it's just, it is unfortunately, really that uh, i think some of our countries are distracted by, by the supposed assistance that you're supposed to receive from, from these other countries. but, and i have the opinion that if someone is a country, has a leading position economically, it riley will give up that position, willing, willing so, so to, to, to, to expect that those countries which holding those positions will

yield the advantages i think is unrealistic. so the only realistic way in which i think africans can develop themselves is to come together as a continent to put together their resources and show that those resources really benefit africans and not become the agents of other countries. which really, val, though the only interest is to, to exploit that for them. and they really wasn't just a hard economist. he had a substantial spiritual and more. and if he could have side to himself personally and to his policies, he was a christian. and he wanted to build an african philosophy of ethics through he's a social change built on morality on the african family,

on the cohesion of society. and he as took a to this in his writings. and his speeches does this sides of his personality and his work. does it resonate 2 to 2 days, africa and 2 days younger generation? as i said in my opening statement, we, we have a problem of being over whelmed, the younger generation being over whelmed by the values and inflammation from other societies from outside of our, from outside of actually consult uh the, this is the problem. we risk losing those values, those so humanitarian values, those values of justice that we had in the past. if we don't make a big effort to um,

to show that there is an alternative way to how we organize our societies. so this is why i think it's really important that we take on the task of of showing these young people that they're more alternative. so how we organize society then the ones that the to constantly receive through social media and through of the avenue of information. and your father wasn't alone. he was part of a globe, but south movement for liberation and change that extended from latin america to africa, to the south of asia. how does this help understand the big picture for the younger generation of, as in the nations of africans? so for example, africans are inspired by such triggers like nice sort of egypt or mendham,

a lot of south africa or little number of the congo. does he, your father become part of this kind of big shot of liberation, image of change that comes from within. do you think he contributes to this general picture? i think i think he does. he's he, he's of that generation of the sixties and seventies of lead us with the type of fleet of the to mention. and he played an important role, i think together with his colleagues in creating an environment that also reflected the prevailing conditions within those countries which were promoting these with this uh system. so uh he remains relevant because as i mentioned, we, the only way that we can uh, uh,

address challenges is really to look in what to look in with lots to expect someone from, from outside to come in. so the challenges that we had and these, the lead of a 5th generation of, i think where leaders, who with determining policy is based on the prevailing conditions in their own countries and even bill and regions. so i think it's really relevant to, um, it was relevant then and it still is relevant even though is it normal for someone who work so hard for decades to advance their own nation to make mistakes. mistakes wouldn't made on the economic level, social level, possibly kind of shut on 11. do you think it's okay for the new generations of

africans to dig deep into this legacy and the positive way that you wish for, but to also be critical of the mistakes? correct them? not to repeat them unless the lessons from then? i think let me tell you when, when we got to independence in 1961, one year later, my father wrote a small booklet called uh, could you say it again slightly? it's pretty sight. but i'll explain what the contents of the book had because i don't have a beautiful language. so i hate to hear that. i don't have an in direct translation to english. and in that book, he sees a lead of almost insoluble. they make mistakes. so it's not a problem to make a mistake, it's a problem not to admit that you have made a mistake. so it says, when would you interact with young africans nowadays?

who would have a dialogue with you? and who would discuss these mistakes and would analyze these mistakes? most definitely most definitely because as i said to humans, the humans are going to make mistakes. and just because someone is a president or pregnant is go, administer doesn't mean that they cannot make arrows in decisions and policy and, and the not that the level of leadership. so we, we have to be, but it doesn't keep me in that book. he doesn't speak just about the leaders. he also tells the people that you also have the responsibility to tell you will lead to that they have made a mistake because you might be, uh, you might be, for example, someone who we supporting are particularly the but you don't want to tell exactly the but they're making a certain mistake and, and by keeping quiet,

you are really um and not allowing the fool um, spectacle society to be part of that. the process of, uh, uh, sharing ideas and allowing, allowing the best possible ideas to come forward and help for development. and now you are working with other defendants of africa's great leaders to establish this forum called african legacy, which extends the whole continent. tell us a bit about this for them, which is, and the creation, isn't it? what is the idea behind that? what are you trying to achieve? well, uh the idea is that, um, as, as we look back at history and at a founding fathers, our funding leaders,

we know very important lessons that we can carry forward to the next generation. so uh, you may not show, we're trying to link in the past with the present and the future i, you tend to be teachers or engage in a dialogue, a 2 way dialogue with young africans. i'm concerned about this, whether you are doing it the old fashioned way of just teaching without listening, or whether you are prepared to engage in a genuine dialogue with the younger generations of africans who of course have new ideas and they are influenced by different sources of information as yourself mentioned, it should be at dialogue because we know certainly we have certain information within the past for the history that they don't have. they have some new ideas which we might, we, we may be too old to,

to address. so it has to be a dialogue because uh, as, as the, as my father pointed out in some of his policies, especially on medication. he said that the, the important task of adults, one of the important types of adults is to provide an education to the generation so that they have the necessary skills to become leaders of the future. so when i speak of education, i don't mean impose an education on the image of the region, but i mean to have that dialogue that you mentioned so that you, you, together, we create the future that's beneficial to both the current and, and the future generation. but today we are here in the beautiful city of saint

petersburg, 2 days before the russian african summits in the international on the international stage. us, we can, you know, engages with all parties and the south africa, for example. the leading african nation is bought as part of the bricks group. can a freak out in gauge in the peaceful, productive, unfruitful relationship with countries from the global south such as india, brazil, china and with an international power like russia, wideman painting its independence and maintaining its presence as a force for goods and for peace in the warm you know, after my father step down in 1985, he became a pig who was given the task by the lighting movement to lead

the soul's commission, which was um, an organization or a uh, let's say a commission task was studying the economies of the what became to be know now is southern countries the southern countries study, the economies look at the challenges and so just solutions to, to, to problems of funded development. so the, the, the basic, one of the basic conclusions that came out of that report which was released after the complete of the work was the solvent countries have to work together. because the barriers set up place to buy the northern countries to, uh, uh, development can not be some mounted without having a strong base of countries that to

begin to pose some muscle. they begin to create some economic bustle against the moving companies. so the, the, the, the, suggesting that the, the question that you're asking is really, um, i think that's the only way to go. in addition to you, i mentioned also the, the, the importance of africa coming together. so then also africa working together with, with the start with the rising economies. yes, that's like that would provide a freak out with alternative ways of funding. it's developmental projects and helping get support if he can cohesion as one content. and that's, that's like because as i mentioned, the, the hold that the northern countries have on the global global economy. it's not something that they will leave people willing monopoly is hard to

give up. yeah. you have to, it's very profitable. yes. yes. so you have to fight for it. and the only way you can fight where it is united. yeah. as, as an offer to current and as the global. so what is your message pass and the heartfelt message to young africans in terms any uh, i'm in the corner of the content. if you are listening to you are right now away from the full and the language of politics. from heart to heart, what would you say? i ice, i would say 1st, it's really important to know our history, and that's, that's really important. there's only a victimization, only of resistance as well. all the history which is relevant to, to our, to our continents. i'll tell you why, because uh, if you don't do that, if you don't familiar with history, then it's really difficult to for us to to pick out specific

success stories. the me see which of the several, many, the many success stories in african these. but then if you, if you do not, if you're not a student of history, and i don't mean this academically, just the someone who is interested in me and then you tend to be the victim of, of a societies which will provide an alternative that does not show that there are many possibilities within the african continent. and once you realize that, then you know that the few states right without now, if you concentrate on, on receiving information that size away from, from pinpointing the success stories of africans in, in, within african history. the venue you really know tennessee kind of thing,

the weapons with which you can face the future. so for example, the, you know, the, the, the fact that africa managed to liberate itself within the early sixties and, and the mid eighties. or i think that's a really important to achievement, which is which, which, which then generations maybe don't say that they don't, i don't realize they don't realize the shed the histories that we have for the african continent that people, uh, the leaders, you know, julia in the in egypt also contributed towards the, the liberation of absolutely figures like nice sort of egypt and then ben and others. it helps their brothers and sisters and this house of the continent and the fight for, for independence. yeah. so it's really important to, to, to know the history, to know the share the history. because with a shared history, then you realize that all,

we're not just east africans. you know, it just seems to me and let me know just candidates, we're africans. part of a bigger story. yeah. the story is much larger than then then then what you imagined. so, so, so with that uh, shared history. i think it's, it's uh possible for a young person in any african country to imagine a bright future to imagine the future with they can make a difference in their own development and in the countries development. and in the, in their content. people, well, as a journalist, i'm going to watch very closely what you are going to achieve in the future, and whether you practice, whether you, what, what you beach, in connecting with the younger generations of africans. you know, most of them exist on the take talk and social media. so probably you need to go there as well, to talk to them and engage with them and listen to them. i will do that. that was

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