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a series to a bridge, it was for you and you have them by see if the display of this of the it stopped the but even the way needs. yeah. you're saying you missed us and you to see code that you, you those whom. but the instrumental village doesn't notice we are gambling with the future of all mankind and we're, we're risking it for not the, the, by the middle of the 19th century. practically, the whole of india had been under the rule of the british and by the colonial authorities. that imposed that heavy depth bringing the people into poverty ex, 40 natural resources. and moreover,
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these authorities absolutely had no consideration for the physicians of the local population. reading them like 2nd class citizens. the british were showing signs of disrespect to even to those who operated with them. the facts of ignoring the religious beliefs of the hindus led them you may have, as the voice, mercenary soldiers serving under the british crown. rebellion began on the 10th of may 1857 in the garrison town of may river, north of india in the form of abuse. the rebels quickly took over daily that he rode. resistance of the indian people lasted for one and a half years. however, the forces were not equal. the colonial authorities dealt with a rebels, cruel, late fee and slaves. the boys were tied to the mouth of the cannon and were shot right through their bodies for the amusement of the public. this type of execution was called the devil's with the obliteration of them, you may result the death of 800000 in have incense indians. however,
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the british empire never broke the free spirit of the indians and their will will resist the welcome to african legacy. i am most uh able to have some more on the show was on a free can lead to hopefully the ration and social justice for long and hard years. hey, lead and i'm struggling to liberate the country of mozambique from colonial powers . his legacy of freedom of justice of equality still resonates not just in his country or mozambique, but around the continent. today here in saint petersburg and russia, his daughter, just seeing that michelle is engaging with the media with politicians,
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with young african activists to revive instead of rates this great legacy of great african nita systems. you'll see it that way. come hello, thank you for having. so how would you summarize the legacy of your great father? and it says a legacy of servant and condition of selfless need is a one of those men that left the country when he was very young looking from was a leak. she went through so as a lend most of south africa, but florida and eventually he got to tons of new to fight for the freedom of mozambique. my father comes from very humble background and he experienced quite a lot of the colonial power as more and more to encroach thing, to the properties of his father. as they took his castle, as he had to be baptized in order to go to school,
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he had biggest dreams. and unfortunately at that time, black men will not allowed to go into different areas. and so he became a nurse in fact, and that comes the suppression for the people for health and from the wellbeing. and so someone needs, and he gives the best of himself for the whole life funeral for the people of mozambique for the people of southern africa, for the independence of africa and of course, of all peoples. that's the legacy that needs to be. remember. your father faced very harsh, collodion conditions, violent and aggressive. that's involved killing people, robbing them of their natural resources, monopolizing the fates on their lights. he responded with anger. with the 2nd. do you think this side of his legacy is still irrelevant to africans who seek to
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liberate their country or their continent from international monopoly power and domination? i think it's important for us to always on the span history. with the hindsight at that time, the only way that the african people could be originally rise was actually through struggle. and it wasn't the 1st option. you can see me. my did not go full on this . and, but some of them had to actually start engaging and questioning. yeah, that didn't go for our was calling the didn't go for arms, but the situation was a leak force somewhere. and he's people to say, the only way we can do this is actually raising arms and start and fighting. and that's when then the engage different, other need is in other nations in the continent. and then the world to actually support and to liberate, to mozambique, deliberation of mozambique was always intertwined with an operation of the other people in our continent. i'm tyrants, collodion, powers, still existing,
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and present in africa. in the ministry shape. we have thousands of french and american, and hundreds of riches soldiers in west africa and many other areas. and sometimes they ways wars against the notion of the governments and the continents, such as what happens in 2011. and for example, libya and i'll try to away from, from, from this year, the young africans from around the continental, how do you think they could engage with such legacy as that of your father? absolutely. taking us inspiration. and we need to us by a to be as great as that. we need to look at total continents and say, we'd be candid when you talk about the presence of all these 4 in forces. you're really talking about in the context of coming to continue in, get the resources, right. it's the niecy on is the, is, is the or the, yeah. so the goal about these was being somehow flushed in
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a different shape. it is not very different from the reason there was there in 1920 that's love. it's almost the same reason they were there with the process of globalization. but this is a different way of doing it. and it forces as not to pick up um, but i think after everything that we've learned from our lead us with the level of education, we need to invest in our people. but the young people who i had to change it to cool have a very sense of very big sense of being african. and one thing to do the best with the content they need to night. you know, if you look at the creation of the way you, it was executive because africans were saying, we need to create a sense of independence. that is no mozambique without independence or own thing by boy. and so you look him by way is look you, we sure that then was on big provides, you know, the way so that they can have the railways to get the products we have,
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for example, dams in wasn't big. it's the look and say south africa, can we provide electricity? careful, creates a sense of independence and that's what our parents for, for that is why some of them were actually chose somewhere. and michelle was assassinated because she had said that until south africa was free, was them because not going to be for you. believe your father was assessing, makes it really somewhere. michelle was assessing it by extend the forces. absolutely. if so, forces that needed to change the game in south africa and it was and because they did not like what he stood for and what he taught his nation, i'm african absolutely the social things tegra t, the sense of justice and freedom for the people mozambique had been free because somebody a and i was i, neil, for example, had given us the grounds to train our troops. right. and so we were doing the same with the amc for example, somewhere it was a man of extreme verticality. and he had said, you know,
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what was in beacon south africa, we a one, and the time it was 35000000, there was a very huge meeting that he had been one of the biggest squares. and he said, we will die for the intervention of independence. or south africa and, and that, that, that, that happened. he, of course, died in an airplane accident in mysterious circumstances. i would rather say i'm, i'm, it wasn't, it wasn't always serious and it wasn't an accident. it was a crush. you keep coming back to 2 issues, 2 sides of your father's legacy education and his plan, a frequentist vision. this stuck in education for us. he had associated philosophy of change. he wanted people to change in the minds and the hot and build up a new understanding of their position and society. he wanted equality guarantee and he wanted the economic resources of the country to be distribution equity. your father was a socialist,
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absolutely is. that's too relevant. to today's the attitude in africa, i think it is absolutely relevant. it's perhaps not in the context that it was at that time. but we need to find a formula that actually response to the needs of the people. at this particular time, we need to look at the results of independence. our countries had an increase in the level of education, reducing literacy, for example, because it was focus the governments with focus on st to leave the verification for free. when gives access to health for free, and then, you know, you can actually start looking at other areas of areas of development. unfortunately, we have seen lots of resources on that. you know, access to education, access to health, access to water is not something that our people can actually enjoy free. and that's, of course, has a big impediment, is a big impediment full social development, full economic development. and of course,
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it is also on politics. the 2nd day mentioned that you touched on is he's on a free can vision. he believe that was a big does not exist by itself. but it's part of the big picture biggest sol, as he called it. how can was an be, be part of the bigger continentals africa? and how can this be expressed in v as terms of the economy of politics like the cation of on the sides of african life? i think the most important is looking at the geo political location of, of, and was a big we've got access to the see in a way that many other countries have. we've got access to good length. well, this oil and gas, now actually we've got rich nation. now we are, we actually are quite origination. and the now the, the, the, the memo is to make sure that those, those resources are actually used for the benefits of our people's. and the
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question then goes, yes, if we look at the process of intern dependency, then you can see why it would need to develop was and beach and how it would benefit. also the other countries and that's, i think more, more and more. i want to come back to the issue of into dependency and ensuring that we, we as countries um, progress as what. what did you say when a country finds itself rich in natural resources? the 1st thing it should think about is how to protect these resources from international grids and system for now, probably by perhaps uniting with other neighboring countries to have a united front to have this economic corporation. but also maybe international corporation was a big as part of the continent of africa. south africa is a leading african nation. it's about of the bricks of, grew a globe of mainly low,
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but a south countries, brazil, to india and china with the rising economy of russia. yes. do you think the bricks can actually work to advance the legacy? the escalations, the dreams, the pen, a figure and vision of your father can the bricks, a group help, a freak a whole together and unites and develop independently and a way free from the control of the international system of monopoly. i think that is important as that is the relevance of bricks is so really to try and bring a bit of a balance in international politics and the in the financial system as well. and have countries that are able to say, we generate this much more, this much more. and we need to be able to say, we need to be able to dictate how it's used. we need to be able to have a discussion with international powers on a one to one and say, listen, you want the niecy on here. you need to come and fetch it at a fair price and you're not going to slave all people in order to get that. and you
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can't do this by yourself. you need the, the, the unit and the power of the continent to express. so to show what today you are here in st. petersburg in the russia. and i think i'm lead during his upcoming on us to meet and discuss the economic development of the content on the. but then she had a corporation with russia. what would you say to, to your content and leaders? what should they think about and what the vision should they defend and they have discussions. of course, um, we need to engage the world with assess of unity. we need to have a home on the agenda of development. and once we have that, then we can actually argue we can discuss on equal terms. if we, um, for example, as mozambique is coming, argue for something and then so electric august, wonderful. something different, you know, our power is sticking away, but when we look at the continent, even in the regions of the african continent as
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a unit, right? then we have our bargaining power in a very much in the stronger sense and, well, who am i to say anything to the african? he does. but to say that, you know, they need to respond to the needs of the people we need. they need to actually, oh, so to the cries of freedom, economic freedom and progress, i see above everything. but you are a young african lady. what are you doing to preserve your father's? i guess you told me about the us. we can legacy for them that you are discussing and creating with other defendants of the great leaders of african liberation. i have had discussions with other members of the phone. tell us about it. what is the idea of the vision? what are you trying to achieve? sort of stop show for them. you know, of the most important issue. oh, the reason we have come together as children, descendants of a frequent need is,
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is to start looking at the legacy. we need to look at the legacy of judas needed. we need to look at the legacy of kenneth cohen, the on the only if i come with some of them, i shall in this face and say, what is it that we as african people can still learn from them. these are men that inspire a lot of, of, of young people today, and we can see or self, many of us can see or self in them. and this for him is really to start bringing number one member realize that history, it's the document, but to also celebrate in diverse but in common ways as well. the legacy of these, minnesota, the young people today can find themselves in the full and say, why contact be the somewhere on my shelf the, are you prepared to engage with these young people to have a dialogue with them? because as you know, young people might not want to always listen only they would like to have a 2 way diane, or they have their own concerns. they own aspirations,
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maybe some of the young african people got intelligent, educated that maybe they have critique of your father's legacy. of the legacy is of a free can lead to this is it's bad to have such a dialogue unless you tell one that so we learn from our mistakes and move forward . no, it is imperative. in fact that we are able to look into each one of them and analyze, they were human beings and they did great things. but of course they had also the witnesses. this personality, it's important to look, but also to one of the stand at that time. what was the agenda? what would the circumstances then we learn from those circumstances and say, okay, at this point, 50 years later, it's a different closing beep. but we free. what kind of freedoms leading joy? what kind of benefits do the people actually on the ground? enjoy, and of course what you say is a very valid discussion that has been happening and not for guys to say, what have they done really, you know,
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they just creative freedom and they left in florida simple. but what is important is that that generation sacrifice themselves and they gave us political freedom. it is our responsibility now as young people as you, other than the reason i love that young anymore. but it is our supreme responsibility to transform what is our political freedom into economic empowerment . and that is something that we can do. we can we educate is we communicate with the, with the rest of the world. we need to be part of the investor, the of, of the i, our resolution and use all that bring the knowledge. but above everything is also being able to look at everybody and see the results of online the results of africa . and we need to discuss the distribution and the benefits of this resources on an equal level. apart from this essential politics of liberation, african, a national liberation in the last 20 years,
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you have been involved in social activism in your country of mozambique. tell us a bit about that side of your life. well, it's a very interesting, you know, i'm a kind of a step into the shoes of my parents. but the truth is that a difficult, you know, i went through a very difficult process. i was just, you know, the issue of women abuse in africa is very, very strong. and it says in every way in the world, but in africa as is, is, is it just abhorrence? and when i was abused, i took the torch and i said, you know what, i'm going to give the face. and they'll give the voice to those women who have be abused every single day and don't have the courage. and so we create them. we created a movement of victims and survivors, a virus that are everywhere, you know, i, i come here to russia. i go to united states, i go to brazil, i go to africa to many parts,
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and i look at women and the pain is the same. and it's about time, yes, we've got educational gender, best buy. this doesn't discriminate. it has nothing to do with education, with race or with social status in that, you know, for that matter. and it's really looking and saying, listen, we are human beings as well us, and we need to be protected. and we have the rights to leave freely of gender and cultural abuse. many african people when they hear gender disclose, they are afraid that some foreign values will be force imported into the continent and imposed upon the values of the addition of africa. to think we've been our confidence, history and value assist and we can find the positive side from which we can draw strengths. we control them if he and we can improve our gender relations and family relations without losing all we are. or do we have own asleep to actually import
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values from experiment for in societies? absolutely not. um, you just need to look at our, of our history. let's look at that because the history of the role of women has always been a very prominent one in our communities. we've had kings, you know, and i'm trying to stay on purpose. i'm not doing a quote in teams. so i went to call them change. i liked the mistakes that you thought it was a mistake, but it's not, it's we have a queen and xena for example. you know, you had po futrell, we had many other and they were at the status of the men. and if they wouldn't work better, and that just shows that women have always had a very important role. unfortunately with history, there's been a distortion in the way it has been used, and it's being who is negatively. and that's why yes, i understand what you say that people get something nervous when you talk about the agenda, the schools in africa, because it feels like we want to change this back to school. we want to
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revolutionize there's a positive side to the african family. is a strong unit of social structure that can be helped to advance the good of, of the country on the continent. people are afraid that we might home the, the family unit, which is indeed deconstructed and broke down in many parts of the world's house. so it wouldn't be the constructive, you know, that it's actually said that you empower women, you empower village, right? you would, you creates a woman and she's able to know that from this money i'm going to divide it in different ways. i'm sending 2 children to school and i'm doing, you know, other things. yes. you are creating a possibility of revolutionizing like we don't disrespect. i think the challenge knowingly and the fear has been and the fact that with people think that the moment women, 9th, i would do be a total k or since it was
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a social and cultural organization and would be disrespect. nope, that's not what we talking about. we are talking about being able to look at millions and millions of women and ensuring that these women can be productive in our communities. you know, we evaluate it's true indians and trillions of dollars that i lost because women can not participate in the economy and the economic development of all countries. so that's what we're talking about culturally. yes, of course, we can being a subservient situation. you know, women can be the last one to eat because they have to feed 1st the men, the children, and then they eat the rest. but it is something that we need to go back to our values and for women at the center on decision. and they'll be kid as they used to be. do you find it easier to speak with younger generations, the older ones or the vice versa? the absolutely find it more difficult to find, to speak to old,
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a watch because there is a radio set structural in the way they think. and even the way things have to be done. young people look more very young. people are still very open to understanding system concepts of the quality of justice and of human rights. for example, the older people might like why lives out of enjoying very good discussions with my elders. for example, when it comes to that, is that the reason you're trying to bridge the gap between the new wise and the nations and the legacy of your father. because then they would have forced side, still would have more data to. they would have the developing values of african families on one side, but they would also will not lose their roots. so connection with the legacy of the great african leaders. absolutely. that's something you would, you would actually attempt to achieve. absolutely, and you know, some, what i said once that being less a patient of women is not an issue of gratitude. if actually i'm a parent to,
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for of their resolution in, in, in our communities you see, so it's not something that you do for charity. that's it's, it's not for charity, it's because it's essential for the development actually, all of our communities. and that's what we try to do. that's what i try to do is engage young people and say, listen, you need to look the basic thing with that is we need to look at the women and men as valuable human beings. we can not give little value to women and less value to men. the moment we start doing that, we have a social, we have a community that is just that is say for men and women to be equally to raise the children. and that's the kind of message that i tried to pass. and of course it's the kind of message that my father has for, for. it's still kind of message that no my father has tactful with this sounds like a message of liberation and progress for the old men and women of africa the assist
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i'd just seen. i thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you. the, the distance it just showed up to the series doing it, which it was for you and you have them by see it the split this of the it stopped the but even the way in the past, if you're saying you missed us and you to see that you, those them, but things still mental village doesn't notice. we are gambling
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with the future of all mankind and we're, we're risking it for not the kind of liberal agenda we see the west now is not really we based, but it's a kind of ways i really just create an outside tube. proud of all sorts of real estate, practical objections to validation of creating and kind of city on the hill on the of the city's growth and land is develop. a problem is presented. how do we protect our nature and the unique animals that live here?
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it's the same loose and you both are used to miss dawn. this saves you need me. you just saw the the heads all the brakes bang stays. there were no obstacles for developing countries to make payments. and national currencies, as president putin stress, is that the dollar is being used as a political told the south african president 0 run last thursday. arrived in russia . on the 8th of this summit in saint petersburg, we speak with south africa's foreign minister. he says, be confident left me feeling this legacy of neo colonialism. it is time uh that i'll come to an entry allowance that has the possibility of being an extremely

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