tv Interview RT July 26, 2023 11:30pm-12:01am EDT
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a prominent icon of african liberation for decades. he fought with his brothers and sisters in south africa against the appetites regime. he inspired so many and still inspires so many to day in the beautiful city of saint petersburg. i have with me his daughter know my temper with come sister. thank you, my dear brother. tell us about the legacy of your late father. what i think the 1st thing that i should say is that for south africa he was off as diplomats. he was known for his brilliant mind. there's a good strategist, very, very good. he was known for his analytical thinking. and the other thing i think that many people may not realize is the t lead the largest and to pause
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sides a solid 13 movement in the 20th century. a huge, a huge achievement. and he did this mainly by using diplomatic skills. he went to the united nations. so for example, in 1974 united nations, they suspended south africa's membership because of the international opposition to a contract that was done on his watch. she went to churches internationally and take up the support of the international religious groups to stand up against the projects. he went to individuals, countries. he travelled below for 2729 years. and what was his mission? his mission was to tell the world about what was happening in south africa, the injustices that were being done to this, of african people and the internet slides. that's why getting the citizens of the
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world and the government's to stand up and say, this is an abuse of human rights. and he did it so successfully that ultimately, we managed to go home a back to south africa. and for him jump vote on mission accomplished. and i think that's the message that he would want people to know that he was given a jump to do and he did it. but of course in that see, so was a family mine. he just had a large family because it wasn't just me and my brothers and sister, she had hundreds of children, thousands of children who live with the world, particularly of to 20, uh, 1976. this was a uprisings when a lot of our youth left the country, they wants to come. they wants to take homes and fight against the apartheid regime . with a talent to be able to have this global vision. and the same time be present and
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powerful on the local level and actually linked to the younger generations of south africa. i do think in this way we can take an explanation from him and seek globin cooperation against injustice everywhere for the circumstances. now different because of international division, they're not different, they're not different. one of the things he said, which i think is so clickable today. when we look at our youth and the very hard life actually, that so many of them have to live. he says it's a country that does not care for its youth, doesn't deserve its future. and i think we need to tell that to a young people. we need them to understand that we do care about them. we do worry about them. we do want them to have a future because so many, i think, feel despondent. they feel the voiceless, they don't know. let's look for hope. but the hope is that is, is that,
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and people like my father them so many of my father is around the world, not just in south africa, but in all consummate outside of a continent. we have close to talking about. so i'd have to with me. but the african continent is full of huge lead is huge, need is who taking the people and they use for to liberation to a space with a could to have self determination. and when they could decide their own destiny now, and this time is really important that i use understand that they can decide their own destiny is a choice. they see the use of a freak out today can actually understand he's the magic language and he's peaceful work with the international community which proved successful as you said. or do you think the use of today is more engaged? sometimes in more detail lies ideologies and more, uh, because lives,
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ways of protesting, i know, fighting against injustice. you know, when he was young and he was new to the political arena. if i can put it like that, he was also considered a radical. so there's nothing wrong with young people having extreme views and holding them with passion. the thing is to take that passion, intellectual lives, it, make it work for you, make it useful, feel community, whether that's in a village, in a city, in a country, on the continent, in the world be useful and productive. and i think that message is for all ages, it's not just for the use of the international living. we cannot say that in the fifty's, a 16 seventy's and eighty's or international powers were fighting against apartheid regime on the same level. and the soviet union, for example, you gave much help to the liberation movements of africa. why some western power is
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supported, some unjust colonial powers in the continent. do you think the picture is still similar, or is it different? i think very also when we look at global politics, the ones that you can never know is national interest. so it was in your national interest to go to the left, you go to the left, it has to go to the right to go to the right. and every country has its own reasons . i wouldn't want to be the one to say that this is better than that. but from my perspective, as a black south african, yes, the soviet union and many communist countries, socialist countries, they supported us for the case, for decades, many western countries, capitalist countries didn't. but then you have to punch in the middle, the scandinavian countries, huge needs a portion of the anti apartheid cause of injustice is generally on a coincidence. so i think it depends on the depth of relationship that you have
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with any given country or rulers of that country. that helps the lot, the level of education you have amongst the different communities. now, for example, with the soviet union, they understood us well. they took interest in time to understand us. we understood them well. of our young people can't university. in moscow, they learned russian. my says boyfriends was a black south african boy who had been to a russian university. he told me, tried to teach me to speak russian. and so we know we were very comfortable with, with that kind of relationship, the same with cuba and the same so many other countries mills in africa, particularly the algeria. i could say for example, a country that was usually supportive in fact, i'll jerry, it was one of the 1st countries to give my father passport when he left south africa and you know, the seventy's and eighty's especially get duffy, i libby. i was about to say, yeah, you know, i mean there's so many countries are,
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there's not much for that. that's cool. that's a huge, really important. great, great man. i'm so we, we have a legacy come in a legacy. if i can put it like that. there's such talk about diplomacy from your side and yourself as a diplomat and it's for me, i have no idea how you could approach young africans and encouraged them to take up diplomacy. it is not something that is common in social media, for example, or a common gene for our young african women or 9 to, to think of this as a way of changing things. do you think diplomacy can actually be a way forward for young africans to think, for example, about, you know, how to unite the continent diplomatically, politically, how to approach different international powers for the good, difficult thing that's diplomatically again, is that something that would tempt the africans these days, my brother,
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what are we doing now? we're talking, we're exchanging ideas, you ask me questions, i'm answering your questions. we're having a dialogue. no diplomacy take that would away. because it distracts people and talk about relationships, building relationships, learning about each other. what are your strengths and weaknesses? what can i support you where can use to put me? how can we create something positive and strong together? best diplomacy? but if you put the word diplomacy there, maybe people are going to take a step back. but if you talk about making friends and building relations, understanding, fixing problems, everybody does it every single day for the challenges facing a fee comes everywhere. there are hard realities that go beyond the nice talk and the, the little magic approach that are harsh, economic, thank reality, house political divisions. how can we tackle these divisions?
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and the reality is inspired by the great leaders of africa such as your father. how is this relation to your own work as a diplomat, as, as, as an african woman who existed not just on the south african seen, but on the international. you have to talk again is full about communication. if you don't talk, you cannot understand anything about anybody, beautiful, heavy talk to yourself to other know you talk to others and you understand. and if you have a family, you know yourself, there is no family that doesn't have polish woods business family with extreme positions. often and not taken, but you push through because you have a shared vision of what a future should look like for your family. so he will fight. you will disagree. do you mean up to for a while, but ultimately you have to tool because if you don't talk,
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nothing can become resolved. and i, you know, honestly, for all the things that are happening in the world, if people could put aside a minute to say, what do we want to gather that we are prepared to push all the other things aside. what do we want together? do we want our children to grow up with food in their stomachs, the roof over the head? a future? if so, what are we doing to make that happen? because if you say, let's do your wife and you to always fighting in the and just say the children come 1st. am i right? when we have to day here in saint petersburg, attending a big gathering of talking on dialogue. and it's happening between the continent of africa and the russian federation. discussing economic corporation politic can be stalk. what do you think can come out of such gatherings? if of course, the house uh, in the right place. and if people are truly willing to tool have
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a dialogue and advance the causes of justice and social change together. can russia and africa do something good together? and you're not in your opinion. why not? and also you see, the thing is, is that what needs to change? i think is this notion that when people talk about a country is one. but when they talk about sandia, nigeria took a been gone the can. yeah. we'll come together as the continent, africa. and so there is this tendency to say there is this consonants with 53 or different countries and he has 11. if it goes to $53.00 must be a very patient one. very patient one. yes, because you have 53 people talking, not one person talking back to you but doing these 50 so you can just have coleman
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problems and common reality and common challenges. but they also have different realities and different challenges. and again, it comes to self interest, the interest of each country is for the best of best citizens. what we're trying to do now is the a you, is to say that we have to find ways where what happens with in us is more important than what happens outside of us. we determine ourselves, we need to be more interest spec to maybe we need to decides that wonderful to have relationships with other countries. but we need to say african solutions, african problems, not wisdom solutions for african problem. we also have the bricks rule, which is mainly composed of global south countries, that brazil, the india, south africa, of course, china, and then russia from the north. it has been going on for years,
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the many trade agreements, politically agreements. and it seems that more us we can countries want to join the bricks of rule, but julia have declared its attention to join egypt to an easy uh, nigeria. many other countries. do you think in the bricks or group? there is a space for dialogue for, for uh, you know, benefits for all economic a change. would you as a diplomats and someone who has be active in the continent and internationally dissing the brick subaru, provides a good opportunity for africans to move forward. i think any group would provide a good opportunity for any countries, so long as they were looking for peace. they were looking for prosperity and they were looking for a better life that people. and they were looking for ways in which to productively engage without looking for destruction, without looking for taking money and all of those kinds of things. we really are a bunch of equals,
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that's the way that i was brought up. and that's ways that the organization that my father led for many years. that's what they believed. we are a band of equals. did you father? think of himself as africa. and as christine not. what else would he think of him so far? so would you think that the pan african vision is organic and essential to his legacy hosting? so he was a pilot for contest. yes. and i think that, you know, the whole notion of that kind of thinking, if it's, if it's true and i'm polluted, can only take a survey to where we want to go is individual countries within our continent. but you know, it varies. we, we come from so many different historical backgrounds, francophone africa and different echo cousins which of these speaking arabs speaking africa, then many different types of africa in africa. and i think that the most important
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thing is that we as countries within that space, we come to a, a, something of an agreement as to how we move forward. and i think that's exactly what's happening, which is why other countries do want to become part of the brakes format. many of the great icons of, of african liberation, such as nice set of egypt. then below for judy, i get the feel of lead the number of the congo and the chroma of gun. they believed that at unifying africa economically, having a common markets, collaborating with the industry and having trade agreements with help unify africans on other levels. because the common good coleman economic and good would help people to communicate and feel that their interests are united together . and then people will forget about the political divisions or linguistic divisions . would you add the coverage d a u f?
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you can union to move forward progress towards more economic unification of the country. i think that's exactly what's, what's happening. you see that you made a slip of the country. i said, well this is of my hunt, amazing of the content and stuff when a present around the post with was jeff, as is the age they did a wonderful change agreement, which is continental the base. and that allows us to change with each other without over red tape that has, has started keeping that and it seems to be holding it seems to be holding. so if we can keep that kind of room and some going, there's no reason to, to why we can't find ourselves in a bit vision with the wealth that is generated in africa, stays in africa. again, we have to go back to how to connect to young africans because it's one of the most
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pressing issues. they are the future and they are active in many parts of the continent. in my travels around africa, i need beautiful educated, very energetic young people. but in my discussions with them, sometimes i feel the last, they don't know the history of the continent as well as they should. they might know the names of the icons of african history such as your great father. but they don't know exactly the details. they have the proper legacy, the, the ideas, the philosophy, what these icons of african liberation, a chief and every day in the everyday life. and would you think that people like you and others have responsibility to actually engage with young africans and listen to them and have a dialogue and see how we can have even a cookie can look at the. i'll tell our past including the life and works of our
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great african icons. christie can look to land from the mistakes and to allow young africans to speak their minds and to be who they want to be. but inspired by, by our past, would that be a reasonable course of action? this engagement, i don't think it's, it's really that complicated. i think that the question to us is, when kids go to school, when our children know studying what are they learning, what is the history that they are being taught and what is a learning the learning history, the rest of the world. and they learning the history of the content, which countries of a learning about if you're in the north, so you're learning about no history. you're learning about history, the south. what's going on? we don't know, i don't know. but what i do know is that every thing is out there on the internet. now, if you're interested, you can find out. but 1st you have to know you're interested. and that comes down
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to what you hear it. how do your parents know? maybe not, nothing wrong with it, but the teachers know, so we have to look at the education system while we would educating our children for the countries within the continent. so they've gone and knows what's happening in uh, i don't know in all julia. what are the issues that of who are the heroes that do they know? is it discussed? do we have time for can education system for this kind of thing? so i don't think we do. so if we want our children to be able to plug in to the many icons so many here is the ration heroes. so we have in africa, we needs to have a commonality of approach to how we speak of them continental the, i think when we hope that such a dialogue that we are having now an oddity would help people to pay attention and engage. but maybe we also need to be present in social media. do you have social media accounts or so that's really not. how would you engage with young africans
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without being on so shiny? like can't do that. no. not too much nonsense goes on the social media for me. i'm not interested. so i, i shouldn't probably say that, but i'm really not interested, but you would of course engage with them on other levels and different ways. of course. well, i'm happy to talk to anybody any time, but i didn't really know what you mean about social media between web things like facebook and take talking all that. no, not for me. absolutely. you know, it's, i'm, and i'm sure it will very useful, but i will say see of a lot of very negative stuff that is affecting all youth and the kind of of, of information that, that consuming through some of the social media outlets such as, think a helpful tool, i said okay, i'm too old to that so i can be positive of it now. well, we help that, we would always find new ways of engaging with the young guys, generation and our continent to preserve and revise the legacy of the great leaders
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south west africa and take away the best land from the local drives. the germans were actively draining natural resources and using the local population as a cheap labor source. this was causing major protests and led to rebuild your in 19 o 4, they hear arrow, and nama drives rebuild against the german colonial rule. kaiser wilhelm the 2nd was fully determined and ordered to suppress the rebellion with the most severe intake against the inhabitants of nan. maybe a germany through is 15000 well equipped army. all around the country concentration camps were built in humane medical experiments over citizens were conducted within the period of 4 years. the german, skilled up to 60000 people, among which there were 80 percent of the here railroad tried and 50 percent of the number dried. the events in south west africa are called the 1st genocide of the
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