to join binds in our bass and european problem is number representing alternative for germany. mister back is great to talk to thank you very much for being available. my pleasure and good afternoon to you now. uh, let me start with a personal question because alternative for germany really in russia is open for trade as this party um off. i don't know how to put it diplomatically, somewhat crude crude and not particularly enlightened walters and yet uh uh, judging from your condemning background, if you have an advanced degree in law utilized in ox for then the london school of economics, you wrote the book on emmanuel cons lift such as cooler lee and intellectual background. why did you off for this particular party? well, let me make 2 points 1st. it's greg. yes, i did study the small philosophy and politics at at oxford university, and i've written books on a manual cab's legal reasoning and the european court of justice. these are

scholarly books and the adults are badly political. now, there is a common misconception that if you will receive the decent education, you know, when they turn into a politically correct, liberal into nationalist and perfectionist that is not by you. i think the purpose of education is to make you critical, including self critical and enlightened, and it should enable you to question received westerns as president opinions. and that's what i've been doing all day long at now to my 2nd point, the a f d a is a young party. and what you've tried to put spa, love, possibly diplomatic,

late ad. i think you have to say is to bad mind. we are young party, which means we have lots of edits of politicians. it is correct to say that some of my colleagues have perhaps not always chosen the most lost and diplomatic way of putting it. however, it mentions of politics. you also sometimes have to be political to express, i'm comfortable tubes and then secondly, you can imagine we all talk to you that is questioning practically every aspect of the political consensus a west germany in particular seems no more. that's a relentless pain. be waged against us by the ip. okay, fine. that's the just as i was kind of late originally, let me just pull back down to the campaign against russia as president, 24 by the same media and germany. speaking about the matters of politics. i know that in the, in europe and problem and who are

a member of the identity and democracy group as well as a participant of the conference on the future of your how do you see the relationship between identity and democracy and do they have any place in the future, if you're, as well as to questions we are asking here, the relationship is a close one. we know that a few democratic countries that uh, they don't have a strong sense of identity. usually that's a sense of national identity as otherwise exception switzerland, disability. so i'll put, although you can say that have a sense of national identity based on a particular political emancipation struggle against interior parts of all of them . so it's, as we said, it has an identity which is multinational, and the same to some extent could be said above the united states and europe. democracy has generally involved in the case in the, in the context of nation states. now to the 2nd part of your question,

whether the opposite is fairly clear, both democracy and i didn't t, especially national identity in western europe. and the french, mrs. followed by the president to the european commission has announced that she wants to bring the most of millions of non european people to europe in the next 10 to 15 years by your national identity cannot survive such a massive influx of people that have no causal rooms in europe, and if i may, a search point um i had on the calculations on that roughly as present was the, all germany's population is partly for you, the large and it present trends of immigration continue even that to diminish

level. and this is all in both rate remains as low as it stays. germany will cease to be a bizarre t john in the country by something like 2075. and mr. brad, can i uh, associate here for a 2nd because i'm sure you know what the people on the, on the side of the political spectrum would say. and they would see your comments as xena for big. but having read with you have a sad about migration. i think you're making more of a sudden, social and institutional argument that it's takes. uh, you know, a certain percentage of people, a lot of in society are rooted in its culture. what it is in its ways of lives to preserve that way of life and to develop it and to move it forward. why do you think i mean, the field of study so see old, you so well developed across europe? i mean, there is a department to fulfillment in any major university. why is it not taken as

a practical consideration? why is it always discussed within the framework of publicity or skin color? where's, you know, traditions they do have certain and very practical value for ensuring stable and comfortable lives or by you one by point very clearly, i need to elaborate on this. i think a society can be stabilized by very great rapid changes. also in this view of immigration, now why is this about these settings simple view which was calling place and you're up until about 30 years ago. nowadays, ostracized some kind of, i'll try the incentive, so it'd be a huge view. now the reason for this, eh, it seems to be quite a. yeah. because the kind of liberal agenda we see the west now is not really reason based, but it's a kind of craze. i really just creed. and that file to crowd out of

all sorts of realistic, practical objections to validation of creating a kind of city on the hill on of okay, can i ask you about one other thing that has much more direct relevance to where i am in russia and where my relatives are in the ukraine, i'm talking about the war in europe. and i think here again, another very important to you were put in traditional was it's not broken down. totally rejected. and i'm talking about this notion on the european a balance of power or balance of security because you're of, as we all know how it has had many wars. but one of the resolves on that war is a 2nd. diplomatic and international relations culture that is rooted in the balance of interest and about a balance of power and for a long time it was respected in the you know, one could argue that the long piece that i mentioned in the beginning was also

a result of that but distribution seems to be fully rejected in the case of ukraine, because no russia, security interest even taken into consideration and haven't been taken for quite some time. and secondly, the europeans have only put all their, you know, security sensibilities in the american vasquez. why would have happened to europe that has been tried and tested by war so many for so for such a long time? well, the sad fact is that the launch uh that the last great european war is now what he's a very a, it was, it happened a few years ago. my mother experienced states as a child and the last thing she would never want is it done no more in touch and ration for them based upon his perpetual visit that'd be provided by most europeans dom i'm gonna go now and we've seen significant changes in the educational system

where history often stops in the postwar era. so much is football. i think that is one reason. secondly, i think you are slightly misrepresenting the tradition of realism in europe here, thinking i agree. it's a very important tradition. but because your dominated intellectually for several centuries, practically on uh, the traditions of liberal of international relations also originate in europe. so if you take a manual tent, he was surprised to introduce the notion of the legal nations. this is a more ideal regarding tradition and european a international relations seagate. so the religious tradition is why important, why, but the lab sort of the right it's been forgotten. i think the reason is part of

the that you're of is a much diminished continent. the europeans don't need any way and you don't go and you've got a positional input. tons, well, some people do is they want to be at least the last, the greatest models on the world in the world. and i think that's part of what is made to bait in europe. yeah, it started the most amazing job as well as you know, i'm studying psychology on the side. i have a great interest in depth psychology of carl young and that he has actually explored the trends in the collective unconscious quite extensively. she wrote a lot about the knots as an arm and then as a, as a suppression. all file for you to we are and you know, when uh, when i see these people that you are also referring to only concerns with the future. only concerns with the illusions north as being informed by the past, but out on history isn't it?

i know it comes across as a form of south only nation that form a self in the holy nation. we know it from psychology, it always produces hatred, then not just hatred of somebody else, but it's usually also a self hatred that down it is projected on to other nations. do you think it has anything to do with the current demonization of rush or perhaps other countries like china, where you run this is slightly made. oh cool. so what do i say and the goal, but there was, there was, this is that event a free to is need. sure, it is a characterization of certain relations make somebody some of the points. i myself made the point that impotence maybe at the source of age diminished position that pop, i think, in the case of russia, there's another element. russia is legal, understood, in west and your final point is that the west, germany,

in particular, has been integrated into western structures for 7075 years. now, whether it reads a very great amount of product, uh and uh, into gratian into western systems or thinking through education and to get his job in the account from west job need a buddy. nice job. and he, i think there is a much greater skepticism towards the receive western narrative. so it's costly, an east west divide in europe because, and to present the method is complicated then from russia's positions, not necessarily the favorable way. because then he, 30 years ago, 35 years ago, the soviet union dominated eastern europe. so i think the president set

a set of southern eastern europe is security. good sense? okay. well, mr. berkeley have to take a very short break right now for the sake of our editorial security, but he will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the, [000:00:00;00] the what he's got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation,

let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk the welcome back to wells, of course with we are back a or a p and solomon's member, representing alternative for germany and mr. breton before they break. we discussed the, you know, this multi faceted and very complicated attitude that the some germans have towards russia. and i've heard the say in one of the other interviews, the menu of your colleagues of the european opponent that's filled with hatred, not only for russian, but for the kind of conservative traditionalism that russia represents. do you

think these people who are filled with hatred, do they even understand the what the russia tries to revolve in the world? whether it tries to base its and the identity on what you have to be an ideal part of it, you have about one on one and a half minutes. so i often have to be hired to use short time traditional conservatism was such as salt. and i think the factors that play the russia, i think, such as basic issue such as the diesel standard of living, ask you a very important the government has to be very concerned about security, the basic comforts to the population. that's one aspect of and the other a point is in your book, i think historically education has suffered. so for many europeans,

they tend to reject ebc um class to something like 1960 so that his history starts to the sexual cultural revolution of the 1950s. and then we checked anything that went on before. so i think that is part of the problem. the boost about decision makers in europe now operate in a strictly a historical event of they sometimes stole his story, compatible deals, but they are very info now and you mentioned the russians government, the focus on the standards of living and european politicians on the country often talk about and aspirational and inspirational values, but ensuring basic safety, ensuring basic um services is not just the value insincere. 2 of the government and that maybe it's just my russian bars, but i wonder is part of the problem here is indeed think of the conflict between

governmental judges and governmental aspirations. and the i have the total rejection of the europeans of the form. because a, if we analyze the recent decisions, including the binding of all trades with russia, it looked like the living standards of human beings, citizens a non before a spray or it's in absolutely, i think for the last 55 years living standards for at least possible relation, most of europe has not improved this as simple as that. now they are declining as a result of the inflation, which is at least possibly a result of the coronado dogs plus the embarrassing ukraine. and the kind of inspirational and s rational value catalogue. that all politicians are constantly invoking the these ideas are very far removed from the concern

as those most people. so yes, in that respect. yeah, absolutely right. most european governments say that people and possibly that's also what that's at the core of the ukrainian crisis, because i think the government, the russia for years have been stating that they have a due to you to, for the exact interest secure and inches. it's not just an aspiration of value, it's something that we have to act upon. we have our military and for that besides reason, but all we heard in response was this. i'm exploration of values of some european politicians and the ukrainians. now, i wonder if this call this dilemma between or, you know, heart disease and aspirational valleys, if it could have been resolved without an armed conflict, given your understanding what's been happening in your brain not have from february of last year, but the, a couple of decades prior to that, i think you've given me a lot of times arise and that makes altering the question easier. because i think

that be that a little i be added to the rush i the immediately, immediately the coast. well, okay, so yeah, that was west of your country is taken uh, as speed remarkably generous. if your countries are treated the, the, as well as russia has in the last 33 to 34 years. russia agreed to read if occasion, without a body practically nbc, when we touched the right, i just want to say, this is the way russia treat in just germany. this is a historic tradition of resolving conflict for us, right? the was the same case with napoleonic wars, the russian welcoming friends back into the family of european countries, not taking any contribution. it's a consistent then philosophical approach that the russian state has taken over a century is not just over the last century. i gave you the one example that i do

about best. so what that was if you want me to put the the board general tubs, there was a very, a distinct approach to see them. so relations with west west of europe. and that's the law of lee, the property we boss. so that was that a little that much? i bought a me ton. so if you cost the bake concessions and you cost the bank all the shows and the concept but ton, well then at some stage you may change your approach. i see what we have to realize is that you're to get the waves and driven off by the united states to move out to so to russia it last night, except the great deal to be is really expensive. so the earliest thoughts and the american sizes you, they could just march about forward, and that does surprise,

that doesn't degree. now the european. so i think i'll just be surprised of you because i see have a more rational attitude. they, we go the board as a kind of a tugging the european so often distracted by the idea of this think well, um, i guess it's easy to be an ideal list when time is a good and i, i've heard many experts saying that the e u us partnership was always on the american terms, but at least you have the benefit of the foreign direct investment and relatively fair trade, whether it's no longer the case. i think the terms of your partnership changing very rapidly and you're bound to give much more and receive much, much less there. i mean, the american policy towards your, of a is pretty hawkish, if not predatory, at this point of time, given the industrial capacities that, that are being transferred to the united states. now, how long do you think it will take until be european voters? they'll be, you are paying for additions,

but then your team voters will fail the pinch and we'll demand something, something different from their leaders. what you've chosen very hoss was for christian credit, trash. i like to defend the united states, and this would gone that just being rational from the point of view, i think is the european reaction. that's a very nice effect for that is the follow to the europeans, primarily allow themselves to be ported. that's a position the united states is just doing marketing their interest to be fat, but aids in another respect, i think the wall during the cold war, the united states required compliance in military and foreign policy matches. but they had ton court guarantee a highly the standards that's come to the legs. the alliance with the united states,

western integration is becoming increasingly expensive for your many europeans as yet to minority weight can be twit bus man. how the politicians also there is a die called to be how long it will take. i cannot tell you, by the way, can i ask her? this is something that is absolutely puzzling to many of us uh, in uh, russian, particularly those who live in saint petersburg area, which is a city with huge german heritage, china, very strong cultural ties with germany. and this is also a city where many of the gas projects originated. for example, the north stream pipelines were built uh from the, from that side of the bowl to cost them given all the explosions. and the recent the statements, for example from uh how, how we uh prime minister uh, oregon, uh saying that it seemed doesnt exclude to a possible repeat of sides incidents. i just wonder, do you think you do your payments with amber,

one to know what actually happened to enter that own energy infrastructure on the, i mean, i understand there's a refresher, but on the fearful that's something like that could happen in europe at this day. and age really love a clear questions i can give you. yeah, i'll says no european governments don't want to know the, you know, people for the most part had a suspicion. what happens? uh, an awesome day. they couldn't care less or what of the presses climate, which makes it very difficult to go on. a spade a spade, because our government has systematically a void, a serious investigation awful carried out the attacks that terminated. they do not wish it. they don't. well, they know that they don't wish it to be widely that i know i hear part of that,

but the russia has experience a number of terrorist attacks by your credit and militants just today. and i think it's pretty clear that if the waterville come, ever closer to russia, russia will respond. do you think people in europe understand that? uh, you know, the, the time for illusions is over the, it's in there is a real war on the ground in russia, in ukraine. and if it continues, it may come to europe as well. no, they don't understand that property speaking. i think strong people a soft kind of a mobile m office the but the last great what happened so long ago that most people think this method can somehow be localized if they were fully aware that this bull may escalate. because the interesting paradox, let's assume the waste is right, and they can really push russia better. get your grade to push my shot back

for would you be so can you, can you spell out the army you? yes, i'm just trying to some of the summarize what some people are thinking you permission they will all your grades actually said that because russia isn't sending it's whole. i mean, they may push it back. i don't see that there's your kids have added good conception. they did these circumstances, a great power like russia, well was spelled with any means edits, disposal, i'd like to be i, i'd like to leave it as an i did tell them it is that it's clear once, i mean, i guess the best europeans are. well, there's absolutely no, and so what the united states or so, so will china, i mean, it's a, it's a, you know, international or politics. one, a one. i mean, it's the, the basic good thing that the people study and international affairs plus. now can i ask you and the last,

the very last question because you don't sound very opportunistic, but what's your best hold for the next couple of years as far as russia, europe and the whole world is concerned? yes. all right. i know by disposition, an optimist, and the last decade is generally to me, right. but obviously we have to do lots. we can also said that even at the end, tomorrow we should call to at least one law street. so i think we have to reach an understanding in the ukraine. this whole has to be brought to an end. i can give you an easy solution of what this might be. but what i don't know is that this is a grave danger to your and he's already reckoning our economy is no one is not doing anyone any good, certainly not. sure. so we have to do what we can to a, mr. beth. it's been

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