tv Interview RT July 30, 2023 9:30am-10:01am EDT
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this summit is a test for legend are poor 10 or something like that. what do you think? what's your assessment of the summit? what kind of showed on the, you know, it's too early to some of the results because the political summit is the main one that will take place tomorrow as well as the continuation of the economic humanitarian for him. but as you right, we noted, we can already say that the summit is taking place. the vast majority of african nations have sent representatives from highest levels, people in their countries, 2nd highest positions as well as foreign ministers. and here, i'd like to say that the main thing is that this has vivid evidence that russia is in demand in the world. 50 delegations have arrived at a time. that is not the simplest in our country's history. when it is conducting
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a special military operation. when it is subjected to every kind of sanctions possible, and when, according to the west, it should have long ago surrendered, capitulated and collapsed. as you probably remember, newland told congress, but the goal was to inflict a strategic defeat on russia. but today, i don't know who is inflicting a strategic to feed on who if i were our western partners, i'd give up trying to pressure african countries to stop developing relations with our country. i've heard such comments here. i read in one wester, newspaper of the rushes, complaining about, the pressure of the west is putting on african countries. russia is not complaining . russia believes that this pressure was counter productive and fruitless and holding our 2nd russia african summit with the participation of the overwhelming majority of african nations, confirms this. what i'd like to ask you about this pressure. what information do we have about the application of these measures?
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in what form was this pressure exerted an african states? you obviously know better than anyone, right? so you see what's inside of my so it is understand naturally i can't disclose all of this information on air. the only thing i can say is that there was a lot of it and it is very diverse in nature. and when we hear that only x number of heads of state have arrived, why so few, i want to say that the number and attendance today stems from the brutal struggle of the west against russia and the interest of african nations. all possible methods of pressure have been applied from the most primitive, were diplomats, including those of the countries, or simply e representatives, bypass the embassies of african states, and demand that these countries terminate or minimize their relations with russia and not to take part in the summit well, you can see that all of this has not yielded the results that they wanted. our president already talked about this at the st. petersburg international economic
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forum, while speaking with algerian president t boone, at the plenary session, stating that it was foolish to expect african nations and other countries to sacrifice their natural interest for the sake of the desires of western countries. why would they, african nations come here with concrete objectives? they want to spur development in their own countries and see russia as a reliable partner that has the capacity to provide needed supports expertise and opportunities in a variety of fields. today, the african unions current sherman, mr. russell bonnie, the president of the union of the congress, said that africa wants to diversify its ties as much as possible and does not want to be held hostage by relations with any one group of nations. i hope the western countries will hear what they are being told not by russia, but by the africans themselves. more over the fact that africa wants to diversify its relations and have many partners was stated on behalf of the entire african
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union. russia is one such partner most disclose. let's go. can you tell me about any specific projects that may be in the works or are already being implemented? perhaps thanks to these events. knew who was my dish to. well, you know perfectly well that even at the 1st rush african summit, there was talk of launching a russian industrial zone in egypt. now the development of this project is already underway and is progressing quite well. and in general, we believe that it can really work out not only in creating industrial capacity, but also as a platform for russian goods to enter the african continental free trade area. negotiations on this topic are very active. we can say the summit is activating, are relations with african nations on a very large scale. and the fact that most of those countries have come here again just confirms the focus and the interest of these countries in the implementing
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strategic projects. today our president spoke about the existence of certain projects in the energy sector, so all of which are already being implemented, the nuclear power plant in the l dob by egypt for example. but other energy projects may also be implemented, there was talk about the res hydro company, and there are many others. we're just entering the stage where some large scale projects are being implemented. there are very serious problems of course, but these are largely related to the policies being pursued by western countries that sometimes abused their monopolistic market positions core monopoly in terms of regulating the financial system, which is in the hands of the federal reserve, the international monetary fund and the world bank, which are also under the control of a group of western countries. so they use this position to obstruct the development of relations between russia and african nations. moreover, they seem to be talking about russia all the time. they claim they are punishing rusher for what they believed to be a violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine. but at the
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same time, they themselves are now inflicting direct, immediate damage. not only on russia, but also on the african countries that would like to implement the major projects we're talking about. these are projects in the mining energy and agricultural industries. and of course now the main task is to break through these bottlenecks to solve the logistical problems and some people and goods to the african continent . the president also spoke about launching new flights today, but it needs to be done so that there is no risk of these plays being impounded. as you know, they confiscated and a and 124. i gave this expensive powerful aircraft to ukraine. it's just stuffed in its purest form pollutants robbery. and so through these practices of looting and property confiscation, just like the post soviet 19 nineties, the western block is now trying to impose its will on the home world will violating
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all the norms and laws on the invite. lability of private property itself introduced. moreover, this doesn't only concern matters regulated by international law, but also those that have proclaimed for themselves the so called rules based order as they say. so they regularly rewrite these rules or create new ones depending on the political situation. naturally, the state of affairs does not suit russia, the african continent or the countries of the african union. and the ultimately talk about this and share, including in these forums. they say that the situation would unilateral sanctions and restrictions to prevent the development of trade and industrial cooperation with russia is unacceptable. and so the west of things that can maintain this position for long, i'd very much doubt that their rights, the difference between us and the west is that the west is fighting to keep everything as it was when we're fighting for the future. we're fighting for our own
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development along with that of african countries, and we find a lot of common interest. but as me to concerning development, if we compare or just suppose the summit taking place here now and the one that was held 4 years ago, they're completely different. even in their scale of advance. that one was somewhat cultural and this one is already full scale business and economic for him with the political dimension and cultural aspects as well. how in your opinion, have relations between brushing africa generally involved over these past 4 years during this difficult period. and what will have things like yes, no, we practiced guess, i mean, well, you practically answered your own question. indeed this somebody has very different today. vladimir putin said the trade turn over. it has exploded like 30 to 60 percent despite the sanctions. so they may have fought to sign the russian african relations, but read to be opposite results because they began to impose sanctions,
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the contradict, the desires will, and political and economic interest of african countries. and of course, this is how it should be, because it is impossible to stop the flow of a river as they say, you may be able to block it. but as we see in russia, water will find a home. it will none the less bypass these obstacles and solutions will be found to all problems concerning logistics, cash, and financial settlements, and transporting goods between russia and africa. first of all, this is because there are colossal national interest involved in terms of food security. people need to eat, there isn't enough food. some 278000000 people are starving. of course african countries will look for a way out of this situation. and rush are produced as 20 percent of the world's grand production. so as they say in english, this is a no brainer for that with this as a partner with whom it is impossible not to work because therefore the national interest of russia and african countries coincide here. and we're on the same
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wavelength here, because there has been long term cooperation this trust between russia and african nations, was noted today at a number of panel sessions. our relationship has a very deep history from the times when russia aided in liberating african countries from colonialism from soviet times. yes, the soviet union played a major role in helping to liberate african nations. and all of this has created an on burnable reserve of capital, which allows us to develop these relations now. and this fire proof capital exist both on ours and the african side. so pretty comes with cut sale a part of this proceed. so that's what i wanted to ask you about. i'm communicating with our applicant partners. do you feel the difference in attitude towards russia because of the lack of a colonial class and history with african states, you know, have beautiful, beautiful,
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my thoughts. definitely. it is very much felt because in all respects, the 500 years of exploitation of the african consummate by western countries. the slave trade and position of cultural values and pondering of natural resources has left an extremely negative mark on the national memory of african countries. on the contrary, by contrast, they remember perfectly well that the soviet union go factories and the infrastructure on the african continent and provided education to hundreds of thousands of african students. of course, this could not help flood remains in their historical and national memory. sometimes it is transmitted as they say in france, my word of mouth, or in another way, from grandmother to grand daughter. for example, i remember my grandmother telling me about the events of the early 20th century. it would seem that yes, this is a long period 120 years, but my grandmother told me is outage in the same way. african grandmothers now tell
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their grand daughter's about the role of the soviet union in the development of these countries during the 1950s, sixties, and seventies. therefore, this is the foundation, the capital on which we're building our future. and of course, it has remains in the memory of the african people and of course of the russian people as well. so i wanted to ask you, you had already mentioned to simon, and we all know that the biloxi initiative or the green deal as we call the package agreement, did practically nothing to achieve its gold. the green never reached those whom it was supposed to. and as were roll heard, the presence of the russian federation announced an initiative to supply fertilizers in green african countries, free of charge. can we afford this? we made to, uh, at the what just the most mostly if you so you can often hear things from even our domestic experts who consider themselves very big experts in all feels yes. the
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side effects from the difficulty formulated the question this way because these are the phrases that can be seen somewhere in the press. so what the fuck we start to. yes. for whatever reason, you can hear that we don't have enough ourselves. and suddenly, we're providing some kind of assistance to someone else writing off depths, supplying food, and fertilizers, free of charge. but here you need to understand that if we're talking about fertilizers, for example, 268000 tons are just sitting in european ports. but no one allows us to take these fertilizers, our fertilizers, as it is already clear that given the current situation, it does not quite make economic sense to solve them, but it wouldn't be much worse if they just disappeared and spoiled in those store houses. or if some monstrous incident occurred as the one that happened to be roots, when ammonia fertilizers exploded, have the european finally lost their sense of self preservation? sometimes it seems that this is indeed the case,
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considering how they are refusing our cold gas and oil. yes or instinct for self preservation must have failed. they may refuse to trade. we haven't, and the africans have, and therefore this is a common instinct and common sense. they say it's better to give something away for free to africans who need it. other than to have it simply disappear this as usual, every day logic i'm and the same person will probably reach the same conclusion that the russian federation and its leadership have today. question and i'll just sit there or not. fortunately, this borders on, i would even say your responsibility this has rarely been said with regard to europe. what terms like your responsibility. fatherlessness and prejudice can very often be applied to our former european partners with regard to many issues now because they are constantly acting against their own interest and harming themselves. but this damage unwittingly splashes over onto african countries, which have to pay for this recklessness, for some reason. why should they pay for this recklessness?
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therefore, here we are not talking about what russia can or can't afford. it is acting rationally based on its own national interest and the needs of african states and their capabilities. what's wrong with that? ultimately, just as in soviet times, this assistance will return itself a 100 fold because it seems to me and i've been communicating a lot with africa for the last 6 years. but africa is a grateful continence they remember things there. would you or if it's an ungrateful content, it doesn't remember much of what the silver union did for it to poland doesn't remember that he received large suassa territory from the hands of comrade stall and it immediately focuses on repression and doesn't want to talk about the other things, and this not only applies to poland, it apparently applies to the whole of the leadership whose national memory has failed, whose prudence has failed, whose allegiance to its own national interest has failed. i don't understand what's happened to them. it's a mystery. probably time will tell,
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but now it is clear that this idea that they will beat russia, inflict some kind of defeat on us and then hold a feast is utter mystical nonsense. but this idea has entered their heads and they are now trying to implemented at a political level, an african see this discrepancy between request ambitions and real opportunities. they see leopard tags burning brightly as well as em 777 howitzers. america is a $155.00 caliber long range artillery burning from our lance that's. that's what they see. and they just can't understand these actions to block the delivery of fido goods, both rushing, green and fertilizers, and they are asking, why is this happening? but the answer to those questions apparently can only be given when the europeans finally silver up and understand that their hopes are unrealistic. as our minister has repeatedly said. but when the impossibility of realizing those, well,
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i won't say crazy, unrealistic plans for russia are finally understood. maybe we will move on to a more normal conversation, including with regards to africa. because this campaign to block rushes activities in africa is also irrational and absolutely unreasonable if you look at it from the other side. it also contradicts the national interest of the european union because everything rushes doing or is going to do implementing energy projects or agriculture projects and emphasis for our 2 projects will lead to an increase in the standard of living for africans, and consequently decrease in emigration to european countries is this simple logic and comprehensible to europeans. that's all i'm saying. you hear terrible stories about how russia is acting in africa in the field of security. here, the stories i read in the western press can't cause anything button bewilderment. first of all, africans welcomed rushes activities on the african continent in the field of
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security. they see it is leading to a real improvement in the security situation there. and that to just by foot france has been trying to do for years. unlike before i participated in a panel session were one of the defense ministers spoke today. and he also said that they did not get any satisfaction, neither they nor molly, from interacting with europeans on security issues. what did that all lead to the spread of terrorism, extremism and ultimately to the population being pushed into the mediterranean sea in search of a better life in europe? is europe shooting itself in the foot again and acting in a way that damages itself? and the series of actions that only harms themselves, whether it concerns gas pipelines, fertilizers opposition to russia's activities in africa. this all contradicts the national interest of the european union. but it corresponds to the national interest. yes, but it corresponds to the national interest of the other side. and as you rightly conclude,
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the only explanation for the behavior of the countries of european union is that they have completely lost their sovereignty and the ability to make decisions in the interest of their own people. this is really probably the only possible explanation for the current situation. well, developments will reveal what other psychological upheavals and problems exist there. my personal impression is that at some stage, european union stopped coping with their assumed role as the leader of europe. and even as a believes, the world and africa, and this gave them a feeling of panic. and the only remedy they could find was to attack russia. they began to look for the meaning of their own existence in nato's expansion to the east. but this is an inappropriate search for an unsuitable solution, because we are now facing global challenges, the required coordinated global responses. if we want to solve problems with international terrorism, climate change, and food security, and to look for a scape goat on whom everything can be blamed is absolutely on constructive. and i
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would say unworthy of europe in general. they should have a band and this child has position long ago and recognized that we live in a completely different world. we no longer live in a world dictated by one country that was in the past, and it's impossible to restore that. there was an opportunity to build constructive relations with other polls with russia, china, and india. and in particular with the african continent where they tell me frankly, that they are sick of listening to a broken record, a moralizing lessons on democracy from the lips of europeans after the events that recently took place in paris. it's suburbs into a france. it is unlikely that europe can claim to be a kind of teacher, either for russia or african nations. so i haven't really even just summed up the dictate of one country and also the dictates of one currency. there are times, well it's not just the terms,
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but real discussions on ways to move away from the us dollar and bilateral trade. to what extent do you think we can see this happen in short term with african states? and to what extent in its turn, can it contribute to deep re ties with african countries when you might to can use as well. you see, of course, the us dollar emerged as the dominant currency, not overnight. and not even in one decade. it took 30 years from the creation of the federal reserve system to bretton woods. apparently the decline of the dollar is also a protracted process. but the us and its allies, or celebrating this process by isolating russia, pushing it out of the dollar settlements, and encouraging us to develop relations with other countries. a lot of people say that the russian accounts for only 2 percent of global g d p. what is 200 percent of real g d p is 2 percent of oil, gas, coal, nickel, cobalt in gold, and a lot of stuff. new york, uranium a lot of commodities in the meantime. if you look at the share of g d. p of other countries,
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the capitalization of exorbitant onto companies is several trillion dollars. how can you compare that with gas prone boasting fantastic infrastructure for ro stuff which built up its assets over decades? on paper they look small, but we know that this difference was created again through financial manipulation by the western banking system. and it is quite obvious. and now it is coming to lights. the real tangible assets are much more important than those mountains of virtual papers that are being pumped into various companies that produce practically nothing but software. yes, it is very important today, and digitalization is rampant. but you can't eat an iphone, and the grand produced by russia is very audible, and it is in demand around the world. you can survive without an iphone, but without bread, without water, without cheating. without electricity, it becomes much harder to survive. the possibility of a process or in my final question the,
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the world is changing and it's not even the same world that it was for a few years ago. and what role do african countries play in this world? do you think you know what the scale circumspect you to well, practically everyone said, including the russian president and the current sherman of the african union. but this polar powerhouse is now being shaped. integration is underway and we have just finished a panel session for cooperation between the european economic union and african associations. these efforts are really impressive. sergei gloves of our academic and administer of the european economic commission. so the not only to african countries can learn from integration with us, but we have learned a lot from african nations. they have set up some major integration frameworks that are quite effective. the african continental free trade area is now operational. that too, is instrumental in making africa major power. a new poll? yes, again, it is not going to take place tomorrow. it's about africa becoming
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a poll of power. and it is quite clear that there was a global recognition of this process as well. the african union is expected to join the g 20 in the near future, but is also a strong signal that is already a sign of global recognition. it is recognition by the g 20, which is much larger than the g 7. i'm a jew 7th does not even have it on his agenda anyway. where is the g 7? have you heard anything about it? i don't hear much about it. this is a testimony to the changes that are taking place. first, a session to the g 20. then a number of major african states, such as egypt, algeria, have applied to joint bricks. this is yet another sign that africa is emerging as a center of power. in short, there was a whole series of transformations, multi level, economic and political piece making, initiatives, peacekeeping, yes, africa is stepping up peacekeeping efforts. it is in line with the slogan of an
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african solution to african issues. so what is the process? yes, it is in its infancy like the whole multi polar world. how it will go depends, of course, on the africans themselves, how vigorously they will promote these integration efforts, and perhaps on how we will build relations with them in this area. know a well 4 years have passed since the 1st summit and now we're here at the 2nd edition. how often will it take place and will it take place on a regular basis or even maybe annually? i know it is uh will it be to use either a lot of black swan and so it is difficult to predict now. but according to the 1st declaration in 2019, the summit will take place every 3 years. i hope that we will be able to maintain
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of, the, after the end of world war 2, the national liberation movement. it'd be an intensified dramatically having driven away the japanese occupiers. the vietnamese patriots by no means wanted the return of the former french colonizers. but brands did not want to lose the rich colony and decided to beat the opposition by board. in december 1946, a full scale war broke out. the main bay 3 arctic organization led by old g man inflicted heavy losses on the french. the invaders were in raged. according to western historians of the 250000 lives of peaceful v and these were on their contents. the colonialist widely used the practice of mass rape of the enemy's women. as revenge on the gorilla. in 1947, the french destroyed the village of knights rock murdering 170 women,
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and 157 children. however terror did not help. in 1954, the vietnamese defeated the french army and the decisive battle of gen, being full, almost 12000 french soldiers and officers, including the commander general of the categories and his command staff were captured. the configuration of a huge garrison had a demoralizing effect in europe. the french laughed vietnam, but they were replaced by even more violent and much stronger invaders. the american hard times were awaiting vietnam. again, the kind of liberal agenda received with no is not really reason based, but it's a kind of ways i really just create the outside so proud of
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