have alternative for germany, it will in russia is also for trade as this party off. i don't know how to put a diplomatically somewhat crude crude and not particularly enlightened walters. and yet uh uh, judging from your condemning background, if you have an advanced degree in law util. 7 as an ox for then the london school of economics. you wrote the book on emmanuel con, lift such as cooler lee in intellectual background. why did you off for this particular project? well, let me make 2 points 1st. it's greg. yes, i did study. most of small philosophy and politics at, at oxford university and i've written books on a manual cab's legal reasoning and the european court of justice, the scholarly books and the late political. now, there is a common misconception that if you will receive the d some days vacation,

you'll see that there's a ton in to politically correct, the liberal, internationalist and perfectionist that is not by you. i think the purpose of education is to make you critical, including self critical, and these items. and it should enable you to question received wisdoms as president opinions. and that's what i've been doing all day long at now to my 2nd point, the a f d a d is a young party. and what you've tried to put spa, well, possibly diplomatic, late ad. i think that to seems to bear in mind. we are young party, which means we have lots of edits of politicians. it is great to say that some of my colleagues are perhaps not always chosen the most last and the magic way of

putting it. however, it matches of politics. you also sometimes have to be political to express, i'm profitable tubes and then secondly, you can imagine we all talk to you that is questioning practically every aspect of the political consensus, a west germany, in particular sense no more. there's a relentless con, pay be waged. you guys stop by the policy guys, finance the just as that was kind of late or really late, let's pull back down to the campaign against russia as president, 24 by the same media in germany. speaking about the matters of politics, i know that in the, in europe and problem if you are a member of the identity and democracy group as well as a participant of the conference on the future of your how do you see the relationship between identity and democracy and do they have any place in the future if you're, as well as to questions we are asking yeah, the relationship is

a curse. well, we know that a few democratic countries that uh, they don't have a strong sense of identity. usually that's a sense of national identity, otherwise, exception switch, southern disability, i'll put, although you can say that have a sense of national identity based on a particular political emancipation struggle against interior powers of all of them . so it's, as we said, it has an identity which is multinational, and the same to some extent could be said about the united states. all the democracy has generally involved in the case in the, in the context of nation states. now to the 2nd part of your question, whether the opposite is fairly clear, both democracy and um, uh, identity, especially national identity in western europe and us red mrs fund,

the president to the european commission has announced that she wants to bring the homes of millions of non european people to europe in the next 10 to 15 years. in my view, national identity cannot survive such a massive influx of people that have no causal rooms in europe. and if i may a search point um i had on the calculations on that roughly as present. one of the of germany's population is partly for you the large and is present trends of immigration continue even that to diminish level. and this is all in both rate remains as low as it stays, germany was cease to be ever jar t john in the country by something like 2075. and mister brad, can i?

uh, so he is here for a 2nd because i'm sure you know what the people on the other side of the political spectrum would say, and they would see your comments as xena for big. but having read with you have a sad about migration. i think you're making more of a sudden, social and institutional argument that it takes, you know, a certain percentage of people, a lot of in society are rooted in its culture. what it is in its ways of lives to preserve that way of life and to develop it and to move it forward. why do you think and i mean, the field of study socio and you're still well developed across europe. i mean, there is a department, the fulfillment in any major university. why is it not taken as a practical consideration? why is it always discussed within the framework of publicity or skin color? where's, you know, traditions they do have certain and very practical value for ensuring stable and comfortable lives. i was born by applies very clearly. i need to elaborate on this

. i think the society can be stabilized by very great rapid changes. well, so it does feel immigration. now, why isn't this father the sudden simple view which was calling place and you're up until about 30 years ago nowadays, ostracized as some kind of i'll try then to those incentive, it would be cute view that would be helpful. this eh. ringback seems to be quite a yeah, because the kind of liberal agenda we see the west now is not really reason based, but it's a kind of quays i really just creed. and that file to crowd out of all sorts of realistic, practical objections to that vision of creating a kind of city on the hill on us. okay. can i ask you about one other thing that

has much more direct relevance to where i am in russia and where my relatives are in the ukraine? i'm talking about the war in europe. and i think here again, another very important to your plan tradition was it's not broken down. totally rejected. and i'm talking about this notion on the european a balance of power or balance of security because you're of, as we all know how it has had many wars. but one of the resolves on that war is a 2nd. diplomatic and international relations culture that is rooted in the balance of interest and about a balance of power and for a long time it was respected and no one could argue that the long piece that i mentioned in the beginning was also a result of that. but uh, this tradition seems to be slowly rejected in the case of ukraine because no russia security interest even taking into consideration and haven't been taken for quite some time. and secondly, the europeans have, when we put all their, you know,

secure disabilities in the american vasquez. why, what did happen to europe that has been tried and tested by war? so many for so for such a long time? well, the sad fact is that the launch uh that the last great european war is now what he's a nearly a was, it happened a few years ago. my mother experienced states as a child. and the last thing she would have a one is a nano more n touch and ration for the baseball and his perpetual visit. that'd be provided by most europeans, donald chicago now. and we've seen significant changes in the educational system where history awesome sauce in the post war era. so much is football. i think that is one reason. secondly, i think you are slightly misrepresenting the tradition of realism in europe here,

thinking, i agree, it's a very important tradition, but because you're dominated intellectually for several centuries, practically, or the traditions of liberal, of international relations also originate in europe. so if you take a manual test, he was surprised to introduce and there's nobody goes nations. this is the whole idea regarding tradition and european a international relations c k. so the religious tradition is why important? why last or the right it's be forgotten. i think the reason is part of the that, you know, is a much diminished continent. the europeans don't need any way any longer. and he's got a positional input turns. well, some people do is they want to be at least the last,

the greatest models on the world in the world. and i think that's part of what is made to bait in europe and it started the most amazing job. well, you know, i'm studying psychology on the side. i have a great interest in depth psychology of carl young. and that he has actually explored the trends in the collective unconscious quite extensively. she wrote a lot about the knots as an arm, and then as a, as a suppression, all file will you have to, we are and you know, when uh, when i see these people that you are also referring to only concerns with the future. only concerns with the illusions north as being informed by the past, but out on history isn't it? i know it comes across as a form of south owing nation that form of self in the holy nation. we know it from psychology, it always produces hatred. then not just hatred of somebody else, but it's usually also self hatred that down it is projected on to other nations. do

you think it has anything to do with the current demonization of rush or all perhaps other countries like china, where you run the ash is slightly made. oh cool. so what do i say in the cold? but there was, there is an event, a previous need. sure, it is a characterization of certain relations make some very similar points. i myself made the point that impotence maybe at the source of age diminished position of pop . i think in the case of russia, there's another element. russia is labeled understood in west and your final point is that the west, germany, in particular, has been integrated into the west of stock shows for 7070 by years now with a wedge of a great amount of product, uh and uh,

into gratian into western systems. so thinking through education, if you look at east germany, i found from west germany a buddy nice job. and he, i think there is a much greater skepticism towards the receive western liberal directive. so it's costly, an east west to buy the europe of goals and to present the method is complicated then from russia's positions, not necessarily the favorable way. because then he, 30 years ago, um 35 years ago the soviet union dominated eastern europe. so i think the president is set a set of southern eastern europe is security, good sense? okay. well, mr. beckley have to take a very short break right now for the sake of our editorial security, but he will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the

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welcome back to wells appliances with our back a or a p and problem in member representing alternative for germany and mr. brand. before they break, we discussed the, you know, this multi faceted and very complicated attitude that the some germans have towards russia. and i've heard the say in one of the other interviews, the menu of your colleagues of the european permanent that's filled with hatred. not only for russian, but for the kind of conservative traditionalism that russia represents. do you think these people who are filled with hatred, do they even understand the, what the russia tries to revolve in the world? whether it tries to base it's and identity on what you have to be in the eyes of european parliament. we have about one on one and a half minutes. so i often have to be had to use shore time. traditional

conservatism was such as salt and i think the factors that play russia, i think, such as basic issue such as a decent standard of living, ask you a very important the government has to be very concerned about a security, a basic comforts to the population. that's one aspect um and the other i a point is in your book, i think historically education has suffered. so for many europeans they a tend to reject ebc um class to something like 1960 . so the, his history starts to the sexual and cultural revolution of the 1950s, and then we checked anything that went on before. so i think that is part of the problem. most of the decision makers in europe now operate in

a strictly a historical manner. they sometimes stole historical parallels, but they are very involved. now you mentioned the russians government, the focus on the standards of living and european, uh, politicians, uh on the country, often talk about and spit, aspirational and inspirational values, but ensuring basic safety. ensuring basic, um services is not just the value insincere. 2 of the government and that maybe it's just my russian bars, but i wonder is part of the problem here is indeed think of the conflict between governmental judges and governmental aspirations. and the, i have the total rejection of the europeans of the former, because uh, if we analyze the recent decisions, including the binding of all trades with russia, it looked like the living standards of human beings. citizens a non deforest priority in the caching on the i think for the last,

for the 5. yes. living standards for at least possible relation, most of your have not improved this as simple as that. now they are declining as a result of the inflation, which is at least partly resolved to be coronado dogs plus the event as a new grade and the kind of inspirational and s rational value catalogue. that all politicians are constantly invoking at these ideas are very valuable from the concern as those most people. so yes, in that respect you absolutely right. most european governments say that people are possible and that's also what ends up at the core of the ukrainian crisis. because i think the government, the refresher for years have been stating that they have a duty to protect back interest, secure and interest. it's not just an aspiration of value,

it's something that we have to act upon. we have our military for that besides reason, but all we heard in response was this some exploration of value. so if some of you are being politicians on the ukrainians, now i wonder if this call, if this dilemma between no heart disease and aspirational valleys. if it could have been resolved without an arm, possibly given your understanding what's been happening in your brain not have from february of last year, but the, a couple of decades prior to that. i think you've given me a lot of times arise and that makes altering the question easier because i think that be that a little i be added to the rush. i'd be immediately immediately coast well. okay. so yeah, that was west of your own. my own country is taken off as paid, remarkably generous. if your countries have treated java, the as well as russia has in the last 33 to

34 years, russia agreed to read if occasion, without a body practically any say with, with todd dynamo with the i just want to say, this is the way russia treated just germany of this is a historic tradition of resolving conflict for us, right? that was the same case with napoleonic wars, the russian welcoming friends back into the family of europe and countries not taking any contribution. and it's a consistent then, philosophical approach that the russian state has taken over a century is not just the answer. i gave you the example that i do about best. so what that was, if you want me to put the the board general tubs, there was a very, a distinct approach to see them. so relations with west west of europe. and that's the law of lee. oh, not for the re boss. so then was that a little that much i bought

a me ton. so is your cost in the bank concessions and your cost to the bank? all that shows is very little compensate because well then at some stage you may change your approach. i think what we have to realize is that you're to get the waves and driven off by the united states, people that are closer to russia in russia except is a great deal to beach, is really expensive. so the earliest thoughts and the american sizes you, they could just march about forward. and that does surprise there's boss, i've got some degree now the european. so i think i'll just be surprised. of the battery codes. i see have a more rational attitude. they, we go the board as a kind of a power game, the other people so often distracted by the own idea of this think well, um, i guess it's easy to be an ideal list when the time is a good and i,

i've heard many experts say that the e u us partnership was always on the american terms, but at least you have the benefit of the for and direct investments and relatively fair trade. but it's no longer the case. i think the terms of your partnership changing very rapidly and you're bound to give much more and receive much, much less there. i mean, the american policy uh towards your, of a, it's pretty cool cuz it's not predatory at this point of time, given the industrial capacity. is it that are being transferred to the united states? now how long do you think it will take until be european voters? they'll be, you are paying for additions, but then your team voters will fail the pinch and we'll demand something something different uh from their leaders. what you've chosen very hoss was full kitchen. private address, i like to defend the united states and this would gone. yeah, just being rational from the point of view, i think is the european reaction. that's very nice effects. what it is to follow on

to the europeans primarily allowed themselves to be put in that position. the united states is just doing mostly in the interest to be fat. but it's in, in the respect, i think, the off the wall during the cold war. the united states required compliance in military and foreign policy matches. but they had ton guarantee a highly the standards that's come to that. the alliance with the united states. western integration is becoming increasingly expensive for your many europeans as yet to my daughter to the way from detroit. bus may have the ball politicians also, there is a di call to be how long it will take. i cannot tell you, by the way, can i ask her? this is something that is absolutely puzzling to many of us in the russian,

particularly those who live in saint petersburg and which is a city with huge german heritage. china, very strong cultural ties with germany, and this is also a city where many of the gas projects originated. for example, the north stream pipelines were built uh from the, from that side of the bolted cost and given all the explosions. and the recent um, statements for example from uh how, how, how we uh prime minister uh, oregon. uh saying that seem doesnt exclude it as a possible repeat of sites incidents. i just wonder, do you think you'd be your pains with amber, one to know what actually happened to enter that own energy infrastructure on the i mean, i understand our fee refresher, but on the fearful that something like that could happen in europe at this day. and age really clear questions i can give you. yeah. i'll says no, you don't want to know the people for the most part, had

a suspicion. what happens? uh, and what day they couldn't care less or what to the oppressive climate, which makes it very difficult to go on a spade a spade, because our government has systematically a void. a serious investigation awful carried out the attacks that terminated. they do not wish it. they don't, well, they know, but they don't wish it to be widely there. i know i hear part of that, but the russia has experience a number of terrorist attacks by ukrainian militants just today. and i think it's pretty clear that if the waterville come, ever closer to russia, russia will respond. do you think people in europe understand that? uh, you know, the, the time for illusions is over the, it's, there is a real war on the ground in russia and ukraine. and if it continues,

it may come to europe as well. no, they don't understand that probably speaking. i think some people, as i'm kind of a mobile, i'm office the but the last great. what happened so long ago that most people think this better can somehow be localized. you say well 400 wow. that is full, may escalate. because there's a interesting paradox. let's assume the waste is right, and they can really push russia back. uh, get your grade to push la shot back for would you be so can you, can you spell out the me, you this i'm just trying to sort of summarize what some people i think is the best they will all you great actually said that because russia isn't said he gets hold on. i mean, they may push it back. i don't think that burst europe. he is,

had adequate conception that these circumstances, a great power like russia will respond with any means at his disposal. i'd like to be i, i'd like to leave it as an on the top of it is that it's clear once, i mean, i guess the best european, our web is absolutely not. and so what do you, not a state so so, so with china, i mean, it's a, it's a, you know, international, a politics one and one. i mean, it's the, the, the basic uh thing that the people study in international affairs plus. now can i ask in the last, the very last question because you don't sound very opportunistic, but what's your best hold for the next couple of years as far as russia, europe and the whole world is concerned. i guess you're right. i know by disposition, an optimist, and the last decade is generally to me, right. but obviously we have to do lots. we can also said that even at the end,

tomorrow we should call to at least one law street. so i think we have to reach an understanding in the ukraine. this whole has to be brought to it and i can give you an easy solution. all this might be, but what i don't know is that this is a grave danger to you. and he's already reckoning our economy is no longer, it's not doing any one any good, certainly not in europe. so we have to do what we can to a, mr. beth. it's been a great pleasure talking to thank you very much for your time. but thank you, and i couldn't agree more with you on the us website. you very much. thank you. thank you for watching hope to hear again. well, the part the,

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the thing is right there was drones at the heart of russia's financial district in the out hours of sunday morning. and most of the russian ministry defend saying ukraine behind the attack, the holes of the french embassy, but in the chair has thousands, riley, in support of a new military leadership following up to and the west african nation. paula block of countries threatening a military intervention if the officer president is reinstated. and one week there was a circle of friendship as leaders, hale the success of the russia, african summit with a joint declaration saying that the heralds a new era of cooperation.