the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered on people about as a cranes much over hyped counter offensive stalls. western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical pivot, buying and says, who has already lost the war. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative is a form of pseudo reality because making the claim your brain is winnie, is untenable.

the to discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess martin j america. she's an award winning journalist, and commentator, and in budapest we bought the door to samuel he's, he's a pod cast or at the gabble which we thought on youtube and levels or gentlemen, posts up rules and the fact that music and jumping in time. you want that, i always appreciate it. all right, it's good. george in budapest it's, it's really remarkable watching the course of this conflict and how the west has changed its rhetorical focus, like the narrative of every, every one once it's a board. you, great, of course is going to when i, because it, it, it has, um, the, the moral spirit. you know, the courage of the, of the ukrainian soldier in society. the responsible states have had a lot of books. ukraine has already won the 1st big. okay. and then, and, you know, as long as it takes, okay, and now over the last guy would say 2 weeks. so, well, you know, the of the premium,

so just followed there or the borders that nato gave them in the train and, you know, and then biden says, well, the book is already lost. you know, the, they've already lost what so they're trying to book and it now say to me, whatever happens that why people, it's not as false. george? yes, the question that's, that's always the american motif, the own. what are the ally, you know, who was the united states? the pictures is why, again, it always turns out that we're just not really worthy of american. the help is supposed to be, you know, we have that the south in the me is where it goes to useless. you know, then, you know, we had the, the weight is a, in the end, the 1st dog will were useless. the ask and these we used was i wrote is always useless. and so there is the same. um, right, if i were you trade in, i think, well, it's a little bit much. i mean you have a photo of it. is anybody in but 70 is a and you're telling us that when i'm fighting properly, you know what, you know, you get a bradley,

bradley gun in the back back and fight alongside those. but it doesn't work as a well, we don't really want to do that. so yeah, i mean, the, the, there's all sorts of, uh, confusing messages that are coming out from uh, the administration. but they're also at least confusing messages. but other coming out about the some go to negotiations that are going on in the background and knowing that that'd be now number of stores the stores and like nbc, um about these negotiations, x u. s. officials talking to high level uh, russians. and then um we, we, we, we now have another story about this. uh, and the go to, i, i know buying it. i don't think this is these a serious because ultimately, the rule that is going on is good for the united states. the united states isn't losing anything and, and they, there's the russians are dying ukrainians of mine. i don't see any incentive to be

on as the united states to the, to bring it this doing in. so doing the, the, the, the stories that got a wishful thinking, well, this is what i would do a power, rational person, which is true. but i don't think that that's necessarily how the, by the ministration is thinking. it's such an interesting way to phrase that because the ultimate goal is okay, maybe ukraine isn't going to win, but it can still keep fighting martin. i mean it's, it's an interesting thing here is that is short, you know, is the man the outcome? will there be will be a negotiated outcome, but some a new thing to that's making it into the narrative. but in the meantime, in the meantime, the us is not going to pursue any kind of negotiations or whatnot. just for the reason that george said, i mean, even though it's been a lot of money, a lot of taxpayer money. i mean, this is a, a conflict against russia on the cheap guys. i'm going to disagree with both of you . i'm really, i'm really sorry. i think that st. george's wrong,

i think there is an incentive to buy it and 6 to to stop is will i think he's starting to wake up to the realities that he called ron in the, in this is his re election campaign. i'm starting from next somebody just called face low just particularly blue complexes and have this in mind the would have been to me ever since the non here hang on here. and i think it's pretty obvious that the trump base may agree with that. but i think you would still agree this is very much a bi partisan endeavor. i mean, getting an inspector general. i mean, that was by far to sit in the senate. okay. no, we're not going to happen because the price of the buying doesn't want it. that was by part is that okay, they keep going. you, but i say we're living in a, we're living in a scenario to our realities. we're living in a truman show kind of a movie says when by, you know, on the, on the face of it, do you have officials like could be, and others who us thing you know, in the most ancient and then when they knew tons of law suite there was some

backpedaling, there was some admissions, the words not feeling very well, but then we should hang in there and we should push our reserves as though you came, was up to the front line. a disaster has tax exam bite and saying functions lost the war. how many people that she bolt into that, you know, i think what's going on on the power though to, to tackle george's assertion, had only thing was going on on a power level. and secretaries, i think there are totes going on because i think the legend does want to get out of this. well, i really do think he does and i think, yeah, one of the things been showing me about this, um this uh this that in this scenario also you kind of run out of, i'm edition, you know, think about that. how does that happen? how do we get into that situation? the 1st place? how does the best miniature branch independent going in january of this year or december? did not clam this scenario and say, hey guys, what's going to run quite low in about may of june? should we not make preparations for it now? i'm sure they didn't, i'm sure they contacted the button administration and they didn't get very clear on

so from the buttons administration. but to tackle this, if you want, just supply the things with the munition even to the very easy you don't even need to use your own. american stokes are plenty of allies around the world. their play was still closed around the world. yeah, it didn't even need to be america where you could, i didn't buy chinese on sooner, isn't it? so don't, don't buy into this. then you're going to run it. i'm going to should. i think they will let. i think i think they were allowed to fall into this paper because i really do believe the board and books of the role. and i really do believe in the leadership of the school. come and take the oh, here it is. okay. it does the fact that they couldn't plan for this doesn't surprise me. i think they believe that the sanctions would have done the job. and them, you know, and good story here with the kind of go and go back to george. but, but george, it doesn't really matter because as you rush has already lost a more, that's the new narrative. okay. so, i mean, we did everything we could do. you just as you said, you know,

it's liskey and his people. i mean, we, you know, we, we, you know, we know, think about your claim without your brains, they're doing their own thing here. i think that, you know, this going on the cheap here, and then of course, blame the use of it. and then they get really the europeans didn't step up. george, they just didn't do enough. ok. i think there's plenty of ways for them to rationalize, which is like the hunter bite and story if they got had that a agreement go to they say that spoken to this is over no more investigations. we don't have that. they live in the pseudo reality. george, but i think so i think that the this provides them with an escape hatch that if things go wrong, then to say what it was really the brand is full but full pool or they didn't take our advice. and again, they, they misuse the, the web and really we gave them, you know, a but 5 to many shells. and it was around a, i, a, i'm actually not buying into the story that they're running out of shows. i mean, live this happens in every will. every what we hear about. oh, sure, there's a shortage of uh, off, hillary shows a show, did you mind me?

they said this during the one that was a big, big issue and well, well, well, hey, we're running out of, um, uh, auto rate. what, what are we going to do about this? so the, the question that is, is what's the incentive for the united states to, to bring this to an end? i'm not buying this thing about the, the us, the likes on the us selection is like, it's a long way off. yeah, many ways it's the domestic issues that of, of travel and there is more or less a, a consensus among most the candidates that, hey, this is a good rule and then we should keep it going with true about with the trunk. so i, you know, i don't think biden is worried about the electric by the, is worried about getting into a direct shooting hole with roster. i think that's a different issue. so inviting said no, do nato membership with ukraine. i mean, he did it because a, if you brain is joins nature, where on the, which would you really just reinforces that this is the way that they buy ministration. just by doing this work,

we're going to let them do all the fighting for us in, in the, in the dump. the marketing, it says like not having ukraine in nato and get, gets the knotted states again off the hook. ok, we're not responsible for that country security. ok, discrete, they have the best of all possible worlds here, which in the end means the destruction of ukraine. the very purpose of this policy was the policy for us. it not new frame mark. there's another theory which is being funded about which i comp claim credit for, which is another reason why i didn't refuse to let the grant. and so nature is to keep the as a bargaining chip. so when you finally do, when do funding negotiate with the russians? you've got something quite strong on your side, but to take george's point, i don't think it's exclusively. i don't think it's only the buttons is worried about elections and how you sell it. was this massive, unprecedented amount of ministry spending in a country that probably 99 percent of americans call assigned to the map of the well,

i think is more than that. i think it's getting increasingly worried about china and i don't think you can handle china and you cry and both on the same plate with storm policy f ups, you know, that a bomb a used to was used to critics him with, you know, we should never forget that quite from, from above. my don't, you know, never underestimate bunch ability to f things up. i think it's talking about foreign policy. so i think the with china threat with cheese, you know, sounding else um, delivering signals which are more robust and mobility codes every single day and basing on the drum and the tension building up over time. well, i think there is a, a need for the button administration to look for an offer. oh. and i think they're all to what's going on. i think i wouldn't be to supply the ice thing, but this is deliberate. i think since about december or january they were the things were deliberate, the allowed to run out of them initial to create this low because you call them negotiations with the russians when you also rent a 1000. 02000, a $155.00 millimeter shows after you have to, you know, look for a natural pool, is

a natural impact so low in the world. and i think that's from or the moment right now to do that. so i think we should, we shouldn't dismiss. all right, we're enjoyed all by triple. why would the russians in a meeting gauge and negotiations at all? any other than a back channel thing that we're not gonna use nukes, we could all agree. we're not going to do that, but other than that, what would the russians be interested in? go ahead martin. well, i think um, uh the comments what it would look fuck recently were very interested in his theory . the, the great job, let's go, let us know that his theory is that the russian central bank go from the set to pitch in look, thanks a very good. remember we go inflation on the control. we've got inflation at a so dream level, but most europeans cannot even spent as low as about that account last forever. so there's an economical aspect to this whole thing, which is the, you know, the situation, but pollutants in which is quite comfortable. it's not something that you can, you can banks, you can bank on forever, that has to be

a longer strategy. so there are incentives that i think for russia to look up, some of the issues that i saw, the same video you did. i found them seem to be utterly completely convincing. deal with them as losing phrase. looks like the the key is that the, the was possibly some sort of but general communication going on between buns and noticing the larger we have to go to a hard break. we're going to talk about the, the back channel in the 2nd half of the program. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in. we're going to come right back to stay with our team.

the, the blue i knew the distance. so that's the series pulling it for you. and you have them by see it the split this of the property, but even the way nice. yeah, you're saying, you know, the image stuff and you to see that few those them. but the installment of the image doesn't notice. we are gambling with the future of all mankind and we're, we're risking it for not the the a welcome act across software. all things are considered 90. this is

a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real notes the let's go back to george in budapest. okay. george, let's look at it from the other side. you know, because usually i see these western elite so that there's always kind of this fantasy unicorn wish list, you know, is that, you know, and the zip here, well, probably hispanic more there's, there's interest of instability in broad signal which is like, i don't know where they get this information from and how they draw these conclusions because, you know, you and i leave them with mark them. you know, we're, we're avidly covering how people cover russia and it says so fantastically wrong. most of the time is that nobody really pay much attention to it. but now let's get down to brass tax something important, this conflict in ukraine. i still to this point, irrespective of the interest rate. okay. i don't see why russia has any incentive

at all ever. we'll have a couple of sites in the dumbass, you know, and brush will have to give up. it's a brand new, it's and it will have to accept when you have a form of nato membership. well, why would run rushing the initiated discomfort because it wasn't getting any of those things. why wouldn't change it's mine now? george? so i think exactly. now i've seen the incense is the tool and um, in fact, if it was to be a settlement now on the terms of which um, local act advocates and that interview referred to by nonsense. this'll be a complete failure for russia, because essentially, uh, russian would have to be giving up things that it actually had prior to the style of the, of the, the several special level jo, braces that goes down that have to agree to holding plebiscites. and you know, we know how the way these plebiscites work, i mean the, the, that it's always very questionable once made that gets involved in a plebiscite. so roughly what happens the giving up is gonna end up with less then it had the 18 months ago. so i don't see any results,

certainly built in conduct survive. so if we're talking about the bite and then the electron, i mean open conducts of i a such and such a uh, a humiliation. um, but there is an agenda always with, with this kind of talking to, particularly with somebody like look like, look, track. uh essentially once a warranty is trying to, i mean the, you know that, that stays obsession. i mean, he's always been an obsessive sort of fellow, and he's not his new obsession. is china and what, how does it, how do we fight china? well, we're not gonna fight it using american boys. i mean, that's literally plan of any of the neo cons. what we're going to use russia and that's suite in the agenda behind this as well. although so me this guy, colby, was a ubiquitous presence on, on fox news. also china, china, china, on the plan here is alright. let's bring this thing in your brain. so and, and then let's use russia. i gaze china, this is going to be all kind of father,

again, is trying to, much as it was originally when the nato expansion, the idea behind it. and george cyrus explained that they were going to use the spirit bins as count on father against russia. since we're going to use russia as gone father against china, why i am assuming russian understands that that's the plan, but in the works. and the other thing they go to by it was, of course the, let me again with this kind of looking at western fantasies. okay. i mean, there, there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of scenario can possibly play out any storage. riley points up. why do you, why do you have, why would russia give up anything that it doesn't have to give up? okay? it may. and in a, in plus, if you look at the long term, the impact of this war as having other than the, the, the, for people of ukraine and then the, all the soldiers that are dying is it in europe. it's a, it's being the industrialized male considering everything that's been said and done

. but since the end of the cold war fly would have russia throw anyone in the west, the lifeline. i mean, i, i just don't see it. i mean, there's so many things that have been said that can't be on said. and what about sanctions and all of that, do you think the americans will ever track anything soon? oh, it's very well under any circumstances. so what is rush to get out of its own has gotten is about a pack of lies and deceit. sorry, that's my opinion. go ahead or right. well, if we're going to dismiss, let's, let's comments about russian inflation. then there's not much left on the table in terms of what could be attracted to the region politic which is, he's an international state. he does state, but he thinks of the well doesn't think of the region when he did an applicant of the last week was really interesting. but we didn't get too much attention from west of me to read a whole lot of a lot of did a condescending commentary, which was completely unfounded. okay i, i find that again, it's the inability to read the home said they can, but just don't have read the room. i'm sorry about go ahead. i think i think

pitcher does one piece. i think the other the does. i don't think he wants to even envisage inviting them. that part of your grade is, i don't know if you're still interested in the, in the eastern european soviet motor, which didn't work just as the british colonial model. it didn't look at people failed to understand or feel to acknowledge, you know, all right and history. why the present, but let's just because it couldn't afford to run anymore. it was like owning an expensive jag of the call that you couldn't afford to fill out. you know, i'm, i think the same argument applies to the end of the soviet union and those countries he doesn't love that so relationship, that's a resentful this from the kind of people he's not interested in, in, in the baby. but i think he thinks of a bigger picture, you know, and um, to go back to the on button side there, there is the other issue about but what i think you would like to end the war and maybe concentrate on the china threat. not necessarily going to what would china, but the use of china is a mess. if deflection is because the

a couple of emotions ever that his son will be so stupid tablets, laptops, she couldn't imagine the meetings he had in um, in care of in 2015, 2016 with the rest of the present to discussing the money and the bribes, and i'm about an hour to get this ukrainian energy company. um uh you know, teamed up with an american palmer so they could have like ago i'll buttons, vice president could just have the chief prosecution. ukraine kicked out what she did. it could've imagined any of this coming out and, you know, and it's extraordinary how it's just continuing, you know, just this week. it's now being sanitized. now way to kind of being a western media is kind of shrugged his shoulders and say ok, all right, we'll go to the report and we believe the sol, so strong. and there was study discussions about the $5000000.00 a bribe to each of them. we haven't got a smoking gun. we haven't got the receipts from the bank to miss martin. don't you think it is kind of interesting. it's actually in the you bring that up because,

um, you know, the, because of this growing scandal here, the, by the administration decide what works is already lost of all, or, you know, what's the page move on? okay. that's what they're doing. it's trying to, you know, this is a success. we are, our policy has succeeded disney, right? i mean, it's it, but testicle to, to say it out loud, but that's what they're trying to convince people to, to stewart. george made the, which it's, it's interesting is that they, they want this, but they still continue to think that they can bleed russia. we have to remember everyone. victoria nolan was temporarily promoted. ok. i mean for people to space those looking for an offer. is that the right person to go to george? well, that's an excellent point to be the executive. that's why i'm not buying the story of the, the, the, the back channel negotiations because this is the person that was not only the most a logical in the state about the machine has been the driving force. only

obama, by the policy toward ukraine, obviously was a central figure. it was never blinked. and i mean, it was for, so to make a, i actually did a secretary of state that is a signal that there isn't going to be any change g as in go to a preside over any change or a policy as will biden's domestic problems. well, i mean, you know what, what do leaders do when they have major domestic problems? they huge saw so escalate was escalate complex as of their, nobody's talking about the button when way we've got something bigger to talk about . but we had a whether you praying maybe even from the syria. there's the downside of that. is it being for, did you, craig, in china, if the huts were biden's domestic problems, the unfortunately were rapidly running out of time. but i want to bring up something that was interesting, is it responsible state craft likes just um sell themselves as

a i thought above i would say. and i'm not going to mention the author's name because it's not really important to my point in one of their articles the last few days. it's very him. he says that every one, once you praying to win in russia to lose the token, the come from a think tank, you know, the quincy and said, yeah, i thought they were a lot of smart people. i want you create the wave of the heart of everyone. what kind of arrogance is that more? it's unfortunate as the subs poignant reminds of the times that we're living and it is a detachment from the inside democratic process of western countries. we don't care anymore about what our citizens think. we barely even consider their views even once every 4 or 5 years at the elections and the situation that we have in person with the labor and conservative while you're having america, we, republicans and democrats, you know, people are finally beginning to wake up. it doesn't matter which party you work for anymore. you know, it's all part of the corrupt religious system. and their main purpose is to fold

keep themselves in positions, getting so can jobs. and secondly, computers and disrupt the public away from ever asking any remotely intelligent questions. and i, i'm getting sick to death. i'm reading articles and the british press of them the daily telegraph about what's going on and ukraine, and been a russian dictate to kidnapping sounds. the children, you know, and then the so essentially to read what was expected or could, when general is read other articles and they see those words in the 3rd paragraph. you know, you're working on a b, s of not b s or somebody also. oh, certainly it's really interesting to george right now. well, when it comes to russia they, they never use the word alleged anymore. the website just, it just assumed. okay, so they both according to the report this assign him is no, no, it's just, it's a edit established fact. ok for that matter we can get the source the it's always

given as a, as a question on question. fact, the rest of the structure blue up way dialing some civilian of the sides. um, but when they report a russian denial, then they say, um, when you times it was, it was unable to independently from the russian play. and so there's always, you know, whatever the rest to say anything when we were not able to confirm this claim. but apparently the brain is going to complain whatever they want. and there's no need to verify anything. but it's, but those are then brought in this idea of the whenever boot is ended, they put in full sleep claimed. so it is likely the journalist just inserts his own opinion, full sleep claim because they were out, the light was full. so what, what, what do you, what are you basing this on what all the western media has in real time, fact checking things in the back, checking as they're writing. right. let's go to your martin,

go ahead. what we other wrong is the lensky sense, when you leave here, those 2 words from the bbc or into the mainstream, british press, you know, you know, your into the truman shows on where, but so really the last we have enough to stick to, you know, why would you let facts done in the way of a good story? that's been the policy for so long now. you know, people don't know. they don't know the propaganda machine that's been created by the americans. a kid. they don't know that most of the stories that we're seeing completely fictitious and this, this has no effect on the latest sex. the company i've always said they have a white board and they just go from the next story. the next story is all planned in advance. gentleman that's all behind we have one, i think my guess americans and voted as the one thing our viewers for watching us here at our teach. the next time we member press ups,

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