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[000:00:00;00] the below and the welcome across stock were all things are considered non funeral about as a cranes much over hyped counter offensive stalls. western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical pivot binding says poor his already lost the war. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative is a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is winning,

is untenable. the, to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we bought the door to samuel, we use a pod cast where the gamble, which we thought on youtube envelope was, are a gentleman, call samples and effects. that means you can jump any time you want that i always appreciate it. all right, it's good, george in budapest it's, it's really remarkable watching the course of this conflict and how the west has changed its rhetorical focus, like the narrative of every everyone wants to support you. great of course is going to win. um, because it has um the, the moral spirit you know, the current job because of the premium selzer in society. oh, the responsible states have had a lot of books. ukraine is already was the 1st. okay. and then, and, you know, as long as it takes, okay, and now over the last go, i would say 2 weeks. so, well, you know, the of the premium,

so just follow up there on the borders that nato gave them in the train. and, you know, and then biding says, well, the book is already lost, you know, there's, they've already lost what, so they're trying to book and just now say to me, whatever happens that black and white, it's not as false. george? yes, the question that's, that's always the american motif, the only one of the ally, you know, who was the united states. the pictures is why, again, it always turns out to be just not really worthy of, uh, american health and supposed to be, you know, yeah, but the south in the me is where it goes to useless. you know, then, you know, we have the weight is a, in the, in the 1st dog will we useless. the afghani is we useless. everybody's always useless. and so there is this theme life i already you brain in i think, well, it's a little bit much. i mean, you have a photo of it is anybody is but 70 is a and you're telling us that we're not fighting properly. you know what, you know, you know,

bradley bradley down in the back back and fight alone. sorry. this doesn't make us a while. we don't really want to do that. so yeah, i mean, the, the visible sorts of, uh, confusing a messages that are coming out from uh, the administration. but there are also these confusing messages. but other coming out about the some go to negotiations that are going on in the background. um no into that. that'd be in the number of stores the stores and like nbc, about these negotiations, x u. s. officials talking to ty level uh russians and then um we, we, we, we now have another story about this and the go to i, i know buying it. i don't think this is, these are serious because ultimately the rule that is going on is good for the united states. the united states isn't losing anything. and it is the russians

are dying gradients of mine. i don't see any incentive to be honest. um, for the united states to uh, to bring it this doing in so doing the, the, the, the stories that i've got a wishful thinking. well this is what i would do a borrower, a rational person, which is true. but i don't think that that's necessarily how the, by the ministration is thinking. it's such an interesting way to phrase that because the ultimate goal is okay, maybe ukraine isn't going to win, but it can still keep fighting martin. i mean, it's, it's an interesting thing here is that is what you know is the main, the outcome. will there be, will be a negotiated outcome, but some new thing to, that's making it into the narrative. but in the meantime, in the meantime, for us is not going to pursue any kind of negotiations or whatnot. just for the reason the george said, i mean, you know, it's been a lot of money, a lot of taxpayer money. i mean, this is a, a conflict against russia on the cheap martin guys. i'm going to disagree with both of you. i'm really, i'm really sorry. i think, i think joe does wrong. i think that arisen incentive the but and 6 to to stop is

will i think he's, i started to wake up to the realities that he called wrong in the, in this is re election campaign. i'm starting from next somebody just called face low just particularly blue complexes and have this the, the 9, the living experience in the non here hang on here is i think it's pretty obvious that the trump base may agree with that. but i think you would still agree with this is very much a bi partisan endeavor. i mean, getting an inspector general. i mean, that was by far to sit in the senate. okay. no, we're not going to happen because the price of the buying doesn't want it. that was by part, is that okay, they keep going. well, i say we're living in a, we're living in a scenario too. i don't know, realities we're living in a truman show kind of a movie says web i, you know, on the, on the face of it, do you have officials like could be, and others who us thing you know, um, in the most ancient and then when the new tons of law suite,

there was some back pedaling. there was some admissions that was not feeling very well, but then we should hang in there and we should push all reserves as though you came was, is up to the front line, a disaster, this tax exam bite in the same functions lost the war. how many people actually bull into the, you know, think what's going on on the power though to, to tackle george's assertion, had only thing was going on on a power level and secretaries, i think there are tools going on because i think, but it does want to get out of this well, i really do think he does and i think, yeah, one of the things been troubling me about this. um this uh this that in this scenario also you findings on the admission, you know, think about that. how does that happen? how do we get into that situation? the 1st place out of the best miniature brands in the pentagon, in january of this year or december, did not plan this scenario and say, hey guys, what's going to run quite low and about may of june. should we not make preparations for it now? i'm sure they did, i'm sure they contacted the button administration and they didn't get very clear on

so from the buttons and zation. but to tackle this, if you want, just supply the things with the munition. even though the very easy, you don't even need to use your own. american stokes, are plenty of allies around the world. they're playing stuck close around the world . yeah, it doesn't even need to be america where you could, i didn't buy chinese onto it. so don't i don't buy into this, then you're going to run it. i'm going to should i think they will let, i think i think they were allowed to fall into this pit because i really do believe the board and bought some of the role. and i really do believe in the lead to political commentators. uh it is. okay. and it does the fact that they couldn't plan for this doesn't surprise me. i think they believe that the sanctions would have done the job. and them, you know, and good story here. but they kind of go and go back to george. but george, it doesn't really matter because as you rush has already lost the war, that's the new narrative. okay. so, i mean, it was, we did everything we could do. you just as you said, you know, it's liskey and his people. i mean, you know, we, we, you know,

nothing about ukraine without your brains, they're doing their own thing here. i think that, you know, the business going on the cheap here, and then of course, blame the use of it. and then the really, the europeans didn't step up. george, they just didn't do enough. ok. i think there's plenty of ways for them to rationalize, which is like the hunter bite and story if they got to have that. um agreement go through. they say it's spoken to this is over no more investigations. we don't know how they they live in the pseudo reality. george, i think so. i think that the, this provides them with an escape hatch that if things go wrong, then to say what it was really the brand new and sole, but full full of they didn't take our advice. and again, they, they misuse the, the weaponry we gave them, you know, a but 5 to many shells. and it was around a, i, a, i'm actually not buying into the story that they're running out of shows. i mean with this happens in every will, every what we hear about, oh the sure there's a shortage of uh, i'll tell her it shows a show. did you mind me?

there's a at this during the one that was big, big issue and well, well, well hey, we're running out of, um, i'll tell her what are we going to do about this? so the, the question that is, is what's the incentive for the united states to, to bring this to an end? i'm not buying this thing about the, the us, the likes on the us selection is like, it's a long way off. yeah, many ways, it's the domestic issues that the privilege there is more or less a, a consensus among most, the candidates said, hey, this is a good rule and then we should keep it going with true about with trump. so i, you know, i don't think biden is worried about the election by the, is worried about getting into a direct shooting hole with russia. i think that's a different issue. so in biden said, no, do nato membership or ukraine. i mean, he did it because a, if you brain is joins nature where on the, which what journey just reinforces, that this is the way that they buy ministration. just by doing this work,

we're going to let them do all the fighting for us in, in the, in the dump. the marketing, it says like not having ukraine in nato gets, gets the knotted states again off the hook. ok, we're not responsible for that country security. ok, discrete, they have the best of all possible worlds here, which in the then means the destruction it'd be crane the very purpose of this policy was the police rush it not you break mark. so there's another theory which is being funded about which i comp claim credit for, which is another reason why i didn't refuse to let the grant. and so they so is to keep the as a bargaining chip. so when you finally do, when do funding negotiate with the russians, you've got something quite strong on your side, but to take george's point, i don't think it's exclusively of these. only the buttons is worried about elections and how you sell this, this massive, unprecedented amount of metric spending in a country. the probably 99 percent of americans cult assigned to the map of the well, i think is more than that i think is getting increasingly worried about china. and

i don't think you can handle china and you cry. and both on the same plate with storm policy f ups, you know, that a bama used to own was used to critics him with, you know, we should never forget that quote from, from above. i don't know, never underestimate, binds ability to f things up. i think it's talking about foreign policy. so i think that with china, threat with cheese, you know, sounding else um, delivering signals which are more robust and mobility codes every single day and basing on the drum and the tension building up the tile. stating there is a, a need for the bug, the ministration to look for an offer on. and i think they're all to what's going on. i think i wouldn't be to supply the ice thing. but this is deliberate. i think since about december or january they were the things were deliberate, the allowed to run out of them initial to create this low because you call them negotiations with the russians when you also rent a 1000. 02000, a $155.00 millimeter shows after you have to, you know, look for a natural pool, is

a natural impact so low in the world. and i think that's from or the moment right now to do that. so i think we should, we shouldn't dismiss. all right, we're enjoyed all by triple. why would the russians in a meeting gauge in negotiations at all? any other than a back channel thing that we're not gonna use nukes, we can all agree. we're not going to do that, but other than that, what would the russians be interested in? go ahead martin. well, i think um, uh, the comments, but edward looked fuck, recently were very interested in his theory. the of the great job, let's go let us know that his theory is that the russian central bank go home to his subdivision. look, thanks a very good. remember, we've got inflation on the control. we've got inflation at a so dream level. but most europeans cannot even spent as low as about that account last forever. so there's an economic cool aspect to this whole thing, which is the, you know, the situation, but pollutants in which is quite comfortable is not something that you can, you can banks, you can bank on forever, that has to be

a longer strategy. so there are incentives the same for russia to look up some of the issues that i saw, the same video you did. i found them seem to be utterly completely convincing. deal with them as losing trays. so the, the key is that the, the was possibly some sort of, but general communication going on between buns and noticing the actually larger we have to go to a hard break. we're going to talk about the, the back channel in the 2nd half of the program. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in. we're going to come right back to stay with our team,

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little, this is a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real notes the let's go back to george in budapest. okay. george, let's look at it from the other side. you know, because usually i see these western, the lead so that there's always kind of this fantasy unicorn, west west, you know, is that, you know, and the zip here, well, probably hispanic more there's, there's interest of instability in broad signal which is like, i don't know where they get this information from and how they draw these conclusions because, you know, you and i have been with martin, you know, we're, we're avidly covering how people cover russia and it says so fantastically wrong. most of the time is that nobody really paid much attention to it. but now let's get down to brass tax something important, this conflict in ukraine. i still to this point, irrespective of the interest rate. okay. i don't see why russia has any incentive at all ever. we'll have a couple of sites in the dumbass, you know, and brush will have to give up. it's

a crime media. it's and it will have to accept when you have a form of nato membership. well, why would run rushing the initiated discomfort because it wasn't getting any of those things. why wouldn't change it's mine now? george? exactly. now i've seen the incense is the tool. and um, in fact, if there was to be a settlement now on the terms of which um, local act advocates and that interview referred to by nonsense um this will be a complete failure for russia because essentially uh, russian would have to be giving up things that it actually had prior to the style of the, um, of the, the several special milledgeville operations that goes down that have to agree to holding plebiscites. and, you know, we know how the way these plebiscites work. i mean the, the that it's always very questionable once made that gets involved in a plebiscite. so roughly what happens the giving up is gonna end up with less then it had the 18 months ago. so i don't see any reason. certainly built in conduct,

survive. so if we're talking about the bite and then the electron, i mean open conducts of i a such and such a accumulation. but there is an agenda always with, with this kind of talk. and it's particularly with somebody like look like, look, track, essentially, once a war against china, i mean the, you know, that, that stays obsession. i mean, he's always been an obsessive sort of fellow, and he's not his new obsession. is china. and what, how does it, how do we fight china? why? because why did using american boys, i mean, that's literally plan of any of the neo cons, what we're going to use russia and that's suite in the agenda behind this as well. although, so i mean, this guy, colby, is a ubiquitous presence on, on fox news. also, china, china, china, on the plan here is alright, let's bring this thing in your brain. so, and, and then let's use russia against china. this is going to be all kind of the father

against china, much as it was originally when the nato expansion, the idea behind it. and george cyrus explained that they were going to use the spirit bins as count on father against russia. since we're going to use russia as gone father against china, well, i am assuming russian understands that that's the plan, but in the woods and other things that go to by of course the martin, let me again with this kind of looking at western fantasies. okay. i mean, there, there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of scenario can possibly play out in a storage. riley points up. why do you, why do you have, why would russia give up anything that it doesn't have to give up? okay? it may. and in a, in plus, if you look at the long term, the impact of this war as having other than the data for people of ukraine and then the, all the soldiers that are dying is it in europe it's, it's being the industrialized. now considering everything that's been said and done, but since the end of the cold war, so i would have rush it,

throw anyone in the west, the lifeline. i mean i, i just don't see it. i mean, there's so many things that have been said that can't be on said. and what about sanctions and all of that, do you think the americans will ever retract anything so? oh, it's very well under any circumstances. so what is rush to get out of its own has gotten is about a pack of lies and deceit. sorry, that's my opinion. go ahead or, but if we're going to dismiss loops, comments about russian inflation, then there's not much left on the table in terms of what could be attracted to the region policy, which is, he's an international state. he does state, but he thinks of the well doesn't think of the region when he did an applicant of the last week was really interesting. but we didn't get too much attention from west of me to read a whole lot of a lot of did a condescending commentary, which was completely unfounded. okay i, i find that again, which be inability to read the home said they can, but just don't have read the room. i'm sorry about go ahead. i think that's

a good to does one face. i think the other the does. i don't think he wants to even envisage inviting them. that part of your claim is, i don't know if you're still interested in the, in the eastern european soviet motor, which didn't work just as the british colonial model. it didn't work. and i people failed to understand or feel to acknowledge, you know, all right and history. why the present? but let's just because it couldn't afford to run anymore. it was like owning an expensive jag of the call that you couldn't afford to fill out. you know, i'm, i think the same argument applies to the end of the soviet union and those countries he doesn't love that so relationship, that's a resentful this from the kind of people he's not interested in, in, in the baby. but i think he thinks of a bigger picture, you know, and um, to go back to the on button side there, there is the other issue about but what i think you would like to end the war and maybe concentrate on the china threat. not necessarily going to what would china, but the use of china is a mess. if deflection is because the

a couple of emotions ever that his son will be so stupid tablets, laptops, she couldn't imagine the meetings he had in um, in care of in 2015, 2016 with the rest of the present to discussing the money and the bribes, and i'm about and i also get this ukrainian energy company um, uh, you know, teamed up with an american palmer so they could have like ago i'll buttons, vice president could just have the chief persecution ukraine kicked out what she did. it could've imagined any of this coming out and, you know, and it's extraordinary how it's just continuing, you know, just this week. it's now being sanitized. now we're kind of being a western media is kind of shrugged his shoulders and say ok, all right, we'll go to the report and we believe the sol, so strong. and there was study discussions about the $5000000.00 bribes to each of them. we haven't got a smoking gun. we haven't got the receipts from the bank to miss martin. don't you think it is kind of interesting. it's actually in the you bring that up because,

um, you know, the, because of this growing scandal here, the, by the administration decide what works is already lost of all, or, you know, what's the page move on? ok, that's what they're doing. it's trying to, you know, this is a success. we are, our policy has succeeded disney brain. i mean, is it but testicle to, to say it out loud, but that's what they're trying to convince people to, to a joseph. george made the, which it's, it's interesting is a way they want this, but they still continue to think that they can bleed russia. we have to remember everyone. victoria nolan was temporarily promoted. ok. i mean, for people to space those looking for an offer, is that the right person to go to george? well, that's an excellent point to be the executive. that's why i'm not buying the story of the, the, the, the back channel negotiations. because this is the person that was not only the most illogical in the state about the machine has been the driving force. only obama, by the policy toward ukraine, obviously was

a central figure. it was never blinked. and i mean, it was for, so to make the, i actually did a secretary of state that, that is a signal that there isn't going to be any trade g as in go to a preside over any change or a policy as low biden's domestic problems. well, you know what, what do leaders do when they have major domestic problems? they huge saw so escalate was escalate complex as of there, nobody's talking about the button when way we've got something bigger to talk about . but we had a whether you praying, maybe live in the syria. there's the downside of that is that the budget ukraine in china, if the huts were biden's domestic problems, the unfortunately were rapidly running out of time. but i want to bring up something that i thought was interesting. is it responsible state craft? um, i'd like to just um, sell themselves as i thought above i would say,

and i'm not going to mention the author's name because it's not really important to my point in one of their articles the last few days. it's very him. he says like, every one, once you praying to win in russia to lose this token, the come from a think tank, you know, the quincy and said, yeah, i thought they were a lot of smart people. i want you crazy with that part of everyone. what kind of arrogance is that more? it's unfortunate as the subs poignant reminds of the times that we're living and it is a detachment from the inside democratic process of western countries. we don't care anymore about what our citizens think. we barely even consider that is even once every 4 or 5 years at the elections and the situation that we have in person with the labor and conservative while you're having america, we, republicans and democrats, you know, people are finally beginning to wake up. it doesn't matter which party you work for anymore. you know, it's all part of the corrupt religious system. and their main purpose is to fold

keep themselves in positions, giving us open jobs. and secondly, computers and disrupt the public away from ever asking any remotely intelligent questions. and i, i'm getting sick to death. i'm reading articles and the british press of them the daily telegraph about what's going on and ukraine, and the been a russian dictate to kidnapping sounds, the children you know. and then the so essentially to read what was expected or could, when general is read, other articles may see those words in the 3rd paragraph, you know, you're working in a, b, s of not b s or somebody also also, it's really interesting to george right now well, so when it comes to russia they, they never use the word alleged anymore. the website just, i just assumed, okay, so there's of, according to, of the report this assign him is no, no, it's just, it's a edit, established fact. ok for the source the it's always given

as a, as a question on question fact, the rest of the structure blew up with dolly some civilian of the side and but when they report a russian denial, then they say um, when you times it was, it was unable to independently from the russian play. and so there's always, you know, whatever the rest you stay in it and when we were not able to confirm this claim. but apparently your brain is going to complain whatever they want. but let's know need to verify anything. but it's, but those are then brought in this idea of the whenever boot is there, isn't it? they put in full sleep claimed. so it is likely the journalist just inserts his own opinion, full sleep claim because they were out, the light was full. so then, what, what, what do you, what are you basing this on what all the western media has in real time fact checking the, the back, checking as they're writing right? about to just go to your martin, go ahead. the other one is the lensky sense. when you leave here,

those 2 words from the bbc or any of the mainstream, british brothers, you know, you know, your, into the truman shows are and where, but so really very little. we have enough to stick to, you know, why would you let facts done in the way of a good story? that's been the policy for several now. you know, people don't know. they don't know the propaganda machine that's been created by the americans. a kid, they don't know that most of the stories that we're seeing completely fictitious and this, this has no effect to mislead those checks the company. i've always said they have a white board and they just go from the next story. the next story is all planned in advance. gentleman that's all the time we have one, i think my guess americans and booted as the one thing our viewers for watching us here at our teach the next time. remember russ ups, the in 2022. the attorney and government approved a package of me that we

a gordon nation with the year and they to, to help ukrainians defend themselves and fight back about 150000000 euro as well. to make a we even a told me bombs are getting all the same and also in the us and the ones that people with died just for make money. the one that you guys have done? yes. because of the volume as you go through on a, a totally forgotten save and actually completed. i mean there's what are the nice you thought, if you do any, you'll need to be done to get i won't put them into as well. the more sign me especially for room to store april holbrook, exec leila lesson opinion po, show that over 70 percent of italians are against military support for ukraine. landed and confirm for me to the for that last or the 5. still a little see if the guy in most on a skid out and with so many do not you then to,

to the, the bottom to delete the attic window without it will see it in my last thought. it looked you, the interest has been cancelled because it will not let me do anything fun. theater, like the under a boiled in niger of crowds attacked good french embassy in protest to the former colonial power cuts away to the west african states following invalid recruit facing reacts to tokyo was accusations of the country of japan was biggest test. and last thing at those parts of the smear campaign against china is legitimate defense activities. and if we sever, we suffer. that's the winning from problems about