the, the well he's got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy on foundation, let it be an arms race and it is often very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk the i'm action redundancy and welcome back to going underground will go single around the world for dubai. in the u. a, at least one black sea green initiative ship was counting explosives,

perhaps from the u. k. u. s. u billions of dollars in homes being sent to frank russia through ukraine. the black sea green initiative is dead for now terminated by moscow with questions august of last week's rush, your advocate summit in st. petersburg included why only 3 percent of the black sea green initiative exports in any case found their way to poor countries. and why would they do a belligerent spain, holland? it's only bread and then others grabbing grain. and what are the real mechanisms of play when it comes to the neo liberal global food system? well, this is the un secretary general and nature of nation leaders. so silent on us, okay, patient of syria's wheat fields claim, the black sea green initiative was crucial to saving the poor of africa and rather mentors the founder and executive director of the oakland institute, which is just reported when i am f. will bank collusion in the coughing up of ukraine's global food supply system? she's previously testified before, but the us congress and the u. n. g joins me now from nairobi. can you thank you so

much for coming on. i mean, there wasn't much coverage of the advert. garages, i meant to last week. a good. so perhaps it was easier to understand the nature of nations from big corporate media that the black sea green initiative killed by bruton is going to stop africa. why is that? why is your policy direct? the claiming it's deceitful into the u. n. has become a business broke over agribusiness corporations in violation of its values as regards this black sea green initiative. well, 1st of all, thank you for having me out. if you will, listening to the hype in the western media, one would think that the black sea green initiative is we're going to prevent famines and to solve the global foot crisis by enabling experts of fluid from ukraine to developing countries, food, and secure countries, especially in the africa this to those that the united nation state is itself point out that less than 3 percent of the commodities with commodities export from your

pre and have actually gone to a food and secure countries. most of the exports are headed to the european union. spain is the largest recipient, and the 2nd does china. so this has nothing to do with feeding the floor and showing for the security or preventing silence. this is really about ensuring that the prophets of those who control land in ukraine and what controlling these food exports continue to solar. well, what he's saying, all the john list, cnn, bbc, all the usual suspects. they're idiots. i mean, they're literally being saying, it's this initiative to help the board of africa. well, the question is really the figures from the united nations, this is not about they would against all was this is really about the united nation speakers, which are clearly demonstrating that as off just last week or so, only 3 percent of the suits commodities exported from ukraine, under this initiative have gone to low income countries. so i don't know if the gentlemen still being antibiotic or just been callous and being lazy at the,

at best or perhaps. now, how do you characterize the ukraine's farm land and how the food industry works in ukraine? because the, your recent report seems as adjust over many years, really the i m f and will bank to in the institutions along with profit tearing. big companies have carved the whole of your bread bucks, basket up, especially after the cool in 2014, when a parent visa lensky was elected in a way to say, look, we're going to stop privatization. the privatization is, is the process now as well? that's a very important point that he just made. most of the word does not realize that under the foreign debt, ukraine has gone to see the structural adjustment programs that have been dictated by the west and financial institutions, such as a, b, r, d,

through europe and back for reconstruction development needing to privatization and liberalization. and one of the big changes that have been implemented much against the will of the ukraine and people focus of academic civil society. and farmers is the land reform now which was implemented in 2020, which creates a land back, basically allows uh, sales agricultural lab. so our new report that you referred to water and test is really about the takeover of the you paid in agricultural land. and it exposed at the producers were exporting commodities from ukraine. today. i'm actually a large agribusinesses visa, only got what associated with european and not the american financial institutions . in particular, the european bank for reconstruction and development as well as the word back. yeah, but i mean, van god, being the goldman sachs noise over in wealth fund. the,

i'm sure they will deny any wrong doing as they're activated by the id and, and will bank their, their unit to feed the world as they presented. well, when you look, when you look at their research, it actually demonstrates that nearly 30 percent of ukraine's arable land. we're talking about $99000000.00 heck, days of land after they controlled about all the gods and the west and financial interest. these are pre dominantly north american and european and these are the people who are not controlling the line. the largest land holder is the only gods are getting financial loans to invest in financial in trust. how you're talking about us pension funds. you're talking about foundation endowments, being invested in the sun investing, and advocates for land and ukraine through private equity funds. so just be etc. okay, is to reach the world bank and say, look, we gave $5540000.00. just

a boat small farm is in ukraine. i know that's the, that's the price of a sort of house in central london. maybe. but they did give money to small farm is in your credit when you look at the kind of loan instead of being made. but more important, the policies that have been generated. so you already had a district and ukraine, which has gone through structural adjustment loans, which has led to the privatization which has led to further liberalization. and now we do plan being more on the debt, as the reconstruction stops, whenever the war ends before the liberalization. so it will be the word back. it will be the i a see the probably with lending off the world bank. it will be dictating policies, which would be further liberalize. it's liberalizing different sectors, especially the agricultural sector. what we don't recognize that one did talking about food security. i'm, it's russian invasion of supreme it is not really about food security of the rest

of the world because exports even know that i'd be allowed from you to train that have to do with profiteering the lodge agribusinesses which are really in the control of north america and europe in financial interest, of course, crystelina georgie ever, they had a v i m f. we took over from christine the god, who was found guilty of negligence in france and didn't have to serve a year sentence, a general sentence. she says, the priority of the i m f will be to help minimize the risk of crisis and build a stronger building, a stronger economies across the globe. the globe best. when the world bank age, a bank of the form of mascot ceo said, to create a world free from poverty on a livable planet. how does that square wave of you've just said about the i m f and world bank the to washington base institutions? well, what's happening right now is that you have further consolidation of man which is

controlled by on the gods, which is controlled by western financial interest, the loans, the support is not going through the small farmers in ukraine. and i'm, it's just economic distress. we will see more and more consolidation as these comments are not being supported. we have to understand that the pro does that happen again. so 2020 land reform and the law was implemented. i'm at school with when people could not produce the civil society, the academics, the farm was in ukraine, a basically demanding and calling for the different advocates for the model, which instead of for the consolidation of land but only got send large agribusinesses is really about creating an agricultural policy which would work in favor of the small firm as a new printer. now that is not in the interest of the i a mass of the world bank or the i of see it is really about supporting private equity funds such as and c h in the united states where uh, foundations. and as i said before, university and other endowments investing in. so there's basically

a circus going on last week for you and fluid system, some and sponsored by nestle rock avella barrier bill gates will the can on the floor and we think they probably did. they discuss, would they have discussed the kinds of issues raised in the, your reports or from a different angle? well, i think we have to see who was at the conference. as you say it is, there it is nestle, they're not in the business of statesmanship. they're not in the business of solving what is on the been the business of increasing the profits they pay and the auto real estate shareholders and increasing the profits. and this is why it's important to understand when we talk about food crisis, because of the invasion of your brain, who's really benefiting the food prices went up because of the speculation of the green markets. so even among the, you know, i'm, it's the war, the kindest exports we have seen from ukraine a pretty high. so it's a mit, it's

a lie which has been taught to do the work as those who are in the business of active business continue to get rich at the expense of the poor. this is a double whammy for the ukranian farmers while they are fighting for they found land, why they are fighting for the land. the land has been stolen away and taken away by possible all the gods and rest and financial interests. many of said the landscape is a puppet of all the gods and, and western capital with the fact that he reinstated the structural adjustment privatization, austerity against the opposition, which it goes now is banned in in ukraine elections or may well be banned for next year. i mean, is this evidence that zalinski is a puppet, that he has re introduced the structural adjustment? or is it that the, you know, culturally the way they persuade the countries to about you? integration is, look, you need to reform your processes. and this is the way forward and then you'll be all happy like less than you are. i think it's very important to look at the

history of the institution such as a low band and the i m. s. there's nothing global about them. the state of the claim is due and paul at the very often depaul policies work against the poor and they really didn't come about ending the poor and not ending the apology. you look at the continent of africa, which went to a structural adjustment program. so you look at asian and latin american countries, structure adjustment programs, has been about decimating the livelihoods of the poor decimating social services when both string, the interest of the corporations. this is what the liberalization agenda looks like . so i think we have to learn from history and see what the check a cost of these financial institution says be. so they are in the business of carving of countries like estimating livelihoods, and creating for the fall ships for the poor. in case of your brain, we have seen already what the structure and the discipline programs are doing the

increasing fall with the, the taking of his social services. so you're going to see more liberalization, more privatization, which is not going to work in the favor of people. it is really about working in the favor of corporations. and as wisdom corporations control more and more of agricultural land agribusinesses, we know what these policies are about. i mean, clearly it's a, the war on russia through ukraine is a place to make masses of money for companies. but the, the food money system dimension of this doesn't seem to really be talked about. so in part, ukraine is a fight for these big agribusiness companies as well. i mean, is it corruption the way to actually see as part of the war, what ukraine is called, the bread passed it a few or so who controls the agricultural land and ukraine does become a major player in the food markets. this again is no different from the kind of

land rush and the land grabs. we have seen across the world, especially since 2008, 2009. i'm. it's the high foot price crisis. i'm, it's the financial crisis. so in terms of ukraine, as we see, the landing consolidated and controlled by ukrainian only got what do they indebted to western financial institutions. we see the wisdom actors coming into the play in terms of controlling agriculture. and then we see the 2020 land reform act kicking to play and creating gland bands. we're advocates for land is available for sale, where we see no support for the small farmers in ukraine. we seek nomic distress going. we know how things were kept. small farmers would be driven out and you will see consolidation of that. we've seen this happen in the united states of america. we have seen this around the was a small farmers to a crucial for food, secure to be of countries are being driven away. and the culture of agriculture is

lost and this is really about who controls the food supply and to control is agriculture. land to make money and not defeat the what a lot of. it's a lot of stuff you the more from the founder and executive director of the oakland institute after this break the hi, i'm executive and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new shelves seriously. why watch something that's so different. listed of opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction. but again, we don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you

that plans are so important. that's what i'm says is i'm talking about the panel no longer let me know how much a little quoted, that's all i know fixing that amount of money is avoid the mistake dental to share because i've already, if you need another share look, but i wanted to duplicate the apollo career center look really i did was i ask whom one can easily do that. so i know that you might know the import us when you might need to allow for those that to vicki disability. since you're working off of the on may off for us, the on the would you put it on the restaurant, but again, it should be new sheets i have completed offers cool lot. but just showing you might give me the number that you know, the number one, let me know you the like i feel like murder mysteries made to also define

my force back on my leg. i pretty sort of despair. i make all it i have to get in and around come up between that. i mean a lot better and i figured they've done with being picked up to i've been in the past on the phone like google shit. so you have to renew the money. don't so i was, you know, mid thank you m, when you're in the room, you will get onto the ship. tesla said i am pushing, pull up on the the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with and around the metallic founder and executive director of the oakland institute on board chair event and jerry's underwater. we were talking about this continuing structural adjustment, ideological basis of life being pushed from the united states. i thought there was a pause in it after the global financial, or as the chinese school at west in economic crisis. was it suddenly you come back

again on the agenda, the idea of privatization to defacto help? a few oligarchs in the united states anyway, as well, i think in terms of capitalism and in terms of both string, the profit off of the rich, that model has never gone away. it has showed up in different ways where they to us to economic globalization. whether we have seen it through structural adjustment programs, which was about increasing the profits of corporations, even if it causes cd, a hardship to the majority of the people we have seen into the world bank policies of doing business rankings, which was about ranking countries. and what they like to do business with uh, you know, a country which was implementing labor laws, environmental regulations would get a, you know, bad business ranking. whereas a country that was opening itself and offering all kind of incentives, depart, patients to get a good ranking. so if, if you look at the history, this has simply

a place for increasing the profits of corporations. and after structural adjustment programs, we started doing business rankings. after doing business rankings were ended, navea seeing be ready, business project of the world bank. so to out there, these policies and programs and projects be put in place by wisdom. capital is really to support wisdom corporations and foreign corporations, even at the lice and livelihoods at the put in developing countries. people can read that report on the bizarre ranking out a system on which country to do business on your uh website. but for those that i thought they were going to make a load of cash out of the great initiative. fujen is saying, russia is just going to send the grain separately, the outside of their, their systems will, can be done. then to destroy the i, m f, and well back because it for you is a groups like yours and, and institutions and,

and g o's that and what i lied to the military industrial complex of said they all guilty of starving millions, hundreds of millions of men women and children, what can be done, there doesn't seem to be any democratic accountability available as, yeah, that's an excellent question for almost 2025 years ago. there was a very popular call from the developing world, especially from africa. say 50 is in the international monetary fund, world bank, which will create it at the end of the 2nd world war us still rebuilding walked on economies of the west. there's nothing global about them. you have a method. the head comes from europe. you have what bank with a head comes from the united states. you have these countries in the west that have unequal control over policies that come out of these institutions. and the continue to take over the economies of the tug was and basically implement extractive policies which are about stealing and pillaging the nature of the

environment and the communities and implementing policies. which in democracy in these countries, which establishing the lens which are not of the people by the people for the people, but they're really for the west and corporations. so what do we do with these institutions? we need to hold them accountable or an institution like the was bank. if it was really a bank, you minutes, boss. and the amount of damage is pause. it would no longer be operating. it is food in a state admission of ending poverty. so i think it is absolutely important that internationally we are asking what these institutions us to doing and we need to hold them accountable. this band should have gone out of business, given the kind of, uh, you know, damage it has caused around the world. it has given bad loans. we should have led to structural adjustment programs. these bad loans have been given very often to dictate is where the poor people are having to pay back for them. so it's no real

good size as to what should happen to these institutions, as well as to go up to governments, which basically wage wars. so corporations can continue to get rich. well, as i said, the age, a bank of the head of the world bank b was nominated by joe biden. news on, on to biden, was paid by a m p. n. a, which is a alliance with mastercard is previous employed by them. seems to have confidence in him nevertheless, but given that your policy director has said how deceitful the united nations has become. because after all, and junior gutierrez is very quick to talk about this grading deal, being important, given vladimir putin says, oh, well, we're open to a new one. is it impossible for us or to organize? i'm kind of grain deal in during this war that will not end up being a part of agribusiness corporations in the west, especially maybe if the u. n. is involved that will what, what,

what is frederick miss? how your policy director go to against this you and i mean it's a paula, is it, together with the western bank? financial is usually you and it's supporting large food trading companies, all the gods and the lenders in jail. this is a stain export business in grow profits despite the cottage of war as well. this is not really about the, the as the united nations as the policy pink time. we look at the facts and instead of pulling lead to c panel, while it does appallingly deceitful because if you have united nation seeing that this initiative is important to proven famines and allow export of food commodities to countries which are food insecure, which are in need but you have to look at the fact that despite what the united nation say's its own data, not all data but united nations data says, but only 3 percent of the food commodities that like spoke to from ukraine, went to food in secure countries, off the countries which had any kind of food shortages,

they are going to dominantly to european union. and the 2nd one is china and the referred. there are a few institutions like your one like oaks from actually as said similar things. what did like running and running your oakland institute given the way the world bank and i m f is able to use the funding for n g owes to presumably rubbish everything you say. well actually what we do is be the issue there lies there. so used to kind of blowing smoke into the eyes of people. it is the work of institutions like the oakland institute to basically say that and pro has no new clothes. this is a word by which has consistent ugly line deck into some kids. and suddenly we think it is in the business of protecting the poor and improving for security. let's not forget, this is the same, is tradition which don't ask and countries which will fold explore open countries into food importing countries. so given its history and the evidence that it says,

given the data that comes from the united nations itself, we have fooling ourselves and choosing to remain ignorant. yep. okay. funding development, development economics developments that is the university educational institutions throughout the world. they're, they're funding people so that they can proudly talk about wanting to solve world hunger and will be pirating this blacks the green initiative. nonsense. where is your voice presumably, is not good on the mainstream media or what i think this is really what's called tool washing. i mean, i think the burden of proof is on them to demonstrate. how do they call it development? now how do you call devastating livelihoods development? how do you for destroying agriculture and livelihoods of small farmers development? so the burden of proof is really on them. so they can pull wash, they can dream wash, they can lie as much as they want. but when you look at their research and data again, their own data, you look at the research that comes out of the world bank,

or do i have to do is be slightly intelligent and not lazy and go through this, say this, the truth and the evidence is right there, it's a truth that you confront from a height, from in the light to the amount of black rock connections to zalinski. maybe this is laughable or tragic, given the 10s of thousands that have been killed in this war. technically presume. reason ask you would say no, you know, boss is off to the us back who in 2014, it's illegal for foreigners to own land. so how is agribusiness managing to invade the country? i'll give you more successfully than any other country. i would, i would strongly urge your viewers to read a report warning test, which clearly demonstrates using corporate data bases and private data bases to expose who's actually invested in these lands. i'm sorry, earlier i mentioned p h c. i should mention that the funds, which is

a us based private equity fund, which is heavily invested. and whether you ascension funds, foundations, university endowments invested is the n c h capital. so you have private equity funds moving in like welch's. we're investing in land. so i'm afraid, presidents zaleski, you have to look at our reports and the data that we have secured, which beauty demonstrates who owns the land, is predominantly the on the golf and ukraine. as well as the west and financial interest predominantly north american and european. obviously they old and i wrong doing and we're not an advocate for those funds. and in a case, i presume is a bad betsy. if i may do eventually admit defeat in in this war. um, do you ever think that a your, a defective by mistake advising people to invest in these profiteering agribusiness firms as you explain what you appear to be saying is deep corruption involved in

this war as regards food from nato countries? i think everyone can say that the water is corrupt, as you said, if it wasn't so tragic, if it wasn't above the destruction of lives, that b a c, it would be funny and laughable as to how it's a chess game that's played. but the reality is a tragedy. the tragedy of lives being lost, children's will losing their lives. the mine fields, destruction of livelihoods. i know war is about peace. no war in today's world is about really dignity and reward is corrupt. every war is about taking the sources away and putting it in the military. industrial complex to introduce civilized world to not have diplomacy to not have talk a fees to see lives being devastated. to see that you're creating and fama as being in the bible. see, instead of having rich livelihoods going slowed for themselves,

a country and the what i mean, it's a shame that we are off floored by his lies of dignity and bravery, and democracy, and support and friendship with ukraine. the tooth, as is once again the corporations court out to make money and profit even if it's at the cost of slice, unless it's of the innocent underwriting the job. thank you. i think that's over the show. we'll be back on saturday with a brand new episode, but until then you can give it to us firewall as social media. if it's not sensitive in your country and have to add channel going on directv on, rumbled up. com to watching you and all the episodes of going underground c center . the,

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