and then you saw in acquires repertoire. it was written by young and famous poet from chasm. talley stayed in and placed on the mediterranean in french, the what we want as punish dns to show to the other part of the world as we are in the humans. we loved music, we loved the 2 lives as, as the other people. and we all had a piece for the nation. the choir is made up of around 60 boys in goals, age, age to 18 from bethlehem and have nothing exactly a big number. but they represent 3000000 palestinians living in the west bank and more than 2000000 others from guys. a flyer is on wash,

meaning they have a voice coming from the heart of this ration and the hardest to will resonate and send waves across the world. raising awareness about the daily hardship re functionality from palestine. the list statements from washington strive to push the things that frustrates losing in the conflict, but if that's not the case, which is what most neutral observers agree at what point does this apart? so do reality. crosstalk builds into all that i'm, it's not the,

the, the hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered non funeral about as a cranes much over hyped counter offensive stalls. western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical pivot. binding says poor his already lost the war. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative is a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is winning. is untenable . the to discuss these issues and mort, i'm joined by my guess. martin j america, she's an award winning journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we brought the door to samuel a. he's

a pod cast or at the gamble, which we thought on youtube and levels or gentlemen, costs are frozen affects. that means you can jump any time you want that i always appreciate or it's good george in budapest it's, it's really remarkable watching the course of this conflict and how the west has changed its rhetorical focus like narrative of every everyone wants to support you . great, of course is going to win a because it has um the, the moral spirit, you know, the current job because of the premium selves are in society or responsible. so they provide an article. ukraine is already was in the 1st few weeks ago. okay. and then, and, you know, as long as it takes, okay, and now over the last guy would say 2 weeks. so, well, you know, the of the premiums that just follow up there on the borders that nato gave them in the training, you know, and then biding, says, well, the book is already lost. you know, the, they've already lost what so they're trying to book and it now say to me, whatever happens, i love people. it's not all false. george?

yes, the question that's, that's always the american motif, the own. what are the ally, you know, who with whom i have the united states, the pictures is wagon. it always turns out they're just not really worthy of, uh, american, the help and supposed to be, you know, we have that the south in the me is where it goes to useless. and on them, you know, we have the greatest in the, in the 1st dog. well, we use was, they asked on these, we used was everybody's always useless. and so there is this theme. why, why are you great in? i think, well, it's a little bit much, i mean, you have a photo of it. is anybody get it? but 70 is and you're telling us that when i'm fighting properly, you know what, you know, you know, bradley bradley gun in the back back and fight alongside those. but it doesn't work as a well, we don't really want to do that. so yeah, i mean, the, the, there's all sorts of, uh, confusing messages that are coming out from uh, the administration. but there are also these confusing messages that are coming out

about the some go to negotiations that are going on in the background into the number of stores, the stores and like nbc, um, about these negotiations backs us officials talking to ty level uh russians. and then um we, we, we, we now have another story about this. uh, and the go see that i, i know buying it. i don't think this is, these are serious because ultimately, the rule that is going on is good for the united states. the united states is losing anything and, and it is the reference to a dying ukrainians of mine. i don't see any incentive to be honest. um for the united states to uh, to bring it this doing in so doing the, the, the, the stories that are kind of wishful thinking. well this is what i would do a borrower, a rational person, which is true. but i don't think that that's necessarily how the, by the minute station is thinking. it's such an interesting way to phrase that

because the ultimate goal is okay. maybe ukraine isn't going to win, but it can still keep fighting martin. i mean it's, it's an interesting thing here is that is what you know is the main, the outcome will there be, will be in the goal shaded outcome, but some a new thing too, that is making it into the narrative. but in the meantime, in the meantime, for us is not going to pursue any kind of negotiations or whatnot. just for the reason the george said, i mean, even though it's been a lot of money, a lot of taxpayer money. i mean, this is a conflict against russia on the cheap martin guys. i'm going to disagree with both of you. i'm really i'm really sorry. i think i think joe does wrong. i think that arisen incentive to buy it and 6 to to stop this will, i think he's starting to wake up to the realities that he called wrong in the end. this is his re election campaign i'm starting from next on may just call it face low just particularly blue complexes and have this the 9, the living and to ever since the non here but pain on here. i think

it's pretty obvious that the drum base may agree with that, but i think you would still agree this is very much a bi partisan endeavor. i mean, getting an inspector general. i mean, that was by far to sit in the senate. okay. no, we're not gonna have would, because the price of the buying doesn't want it. that was by part of said, okay, they keep going. but i say we're living in a, we're living in a scenario to our no realities. we're living in a truman show kind of a movie says web i, you know, on the, on the face of it, you have officials like could be others who us thing you know, um, in the most states, you know, when they knew tons of law suite there was some back pedaling. there was some admissions the door is not feeling very well, but then we should hang in there and we should push our reserves as though you came was up to the front while i had a disaster. this tax exam bite in the same contents lost the war. how many people that she bought to that mean?

i think what's going on on the power bill to, to tackle george's assertion had only thing what's going on on a power level. and secret is likely narrow towards going on because i think the light and does want to get out of this. well, i really do think he does. and i think yeah, one of the things been troubling me about this. um this uh, this, this scenario of uh, the cleanings on that i'm going to show us think about that. how does that happen? how do we get into that situation? the 1st place out of the best miniature brands in the pentagon, in january of this year or december, did not clam the scenario and say, hey guys, what's gonna run quite low and about may of june. should we not make preparations for it now? i'm sure they did, let me show. they contacted the button administration and they didn't get very clear on so from the buttons administration. but to tackle this, if you want, just supply the things with the munition even to the very easy you don't even need to use your own. american stokes are plenty of allies around the world there. play and stuff close around the world. yeah, it doesn't even need to be america where you could, i didn't buy chinese on sooner,

isn't it? so don't, don't buy into this. the new kinds of run up. i'm gonna should. i think they will let. i think i think they were allowed to fall into this pit because i really believe the board and walk down the role. and i really do believe in the leadership of the school come and take the okay. and it does the fact that they couldn't plan for this doesn't surprise me. i think they believe that the sanctions would have done the job. and then you know, and good story here with the kind of go and go back to george. but, but george, it doesn't really matter because it's, you know, ross has already lost a more that's the new narrative. okay. so, i mean, you know, we did everything we could do. you just as you said, you know, it's liskey and his people. i mean, we know we, we know nothing about your claim without your brains. they're doing their own thing here. i think that, you know, this going on the cheap here, and then of course, blaine the other. and then they are really the europeans didn't step up. george, they just didn't do enough. okay. i think there's plenty of ways for them to

rationalize which is like the 100 bygone stories. if the gus had that a agreement go to, they say it's spoken to that is over. no more investigations. we don't have it. they live in the pseudo reality, george, i think so. i think the, the, this provides them with an escape hatch. that if things go wrong, then let's say what it was really the brand new and sole, but full full of they didn't take our advice. and again, they, they miss use the, the web and really we gave them, you know, a but 5 to many shells. and it was around a, i, a, i'm actually not buying into the story that they're running out of shows. i mean with this happens in every will, every what we hear about, oh the sure there's a shortage of uh, i'll tell her it shows the show. did you mind me? they said this during the one that was a big, big issue and well, well, well, hey, we're running out of, um, uh, auto rate. what, what are we gonna do about this? so the, the question that is, is what's the incentive for the united states to,

to bring this to an end. i'm not buying this thing about the, the us, the likes on the us selection is like, is a long way off. many ways, it's the domestic issues that the privilege there is more or less a consensus among most the candidates that, hey, this is a good rule and then we should keep it going with true about with trump. so i, you know, i don't think biden is worried about the election by the, is worried about getting into a direct shooting goal with russia. i think that's a different issue. so inviting said no, do nato membership with ukraine. i mean, he did it because a, if you brain is joins nature, where on the, which would you really just reinforces that this is the way, the but they, by ministration just by doing this. well, we're going to let them do all the fighting for us in, in the, in the dump the market. it's just a, not having ukraine in nato. it gets, gets the knotted states again off the hook. ok, we're, we're not responsible for that country security. ok. discrete,

they have the best of all possible worlds here, which in the then means the destruction of ukraine. the very purpose of this policy was the policy for us. it not you break mark. so there's another theory which is being funded about which i comp claim credit for, which is another reason why i didn't refuse to let the grant. and so nature is to keep the as a bargaining chip. so when you finally do, when do funding negotiate with the russians, you've got something quite strong on your side, but to take george's point, i don't think it's exclusively. i don't think it's only the buttons as worried about elections and how you sell this, this massive, unprecedented amount of metric spending in a country. the probably 99 percent of americans cult assigned to the map of the world, i think is more than that. i think it's getting increasingly worried about china and i don't think you can handle china and you try and both on the same plate with storm policy f ups, you know, that a bama used to own was used to critics him with, you know, we should never forget that quite from, from about my do, you know, never underestimate,

binds ability to f things up. i think it's talking about foreign policy. so i think the with china threat with cheese, you know, sounding else um, delivering signals which are more robust and mobility codes every single day and basing on the drum and the tension building up the time. well, i think there is a, a need for the button administration to look for an offer on and i think they're all to what's going on. i think i wouldn't be chosen, but i think that this is deliberate. i think since about december or january to the what the claims were deliberately allowed to run out of them initial to create this low because you call them negotiations with the russians when you also rent a 1000. 02000, a 155 millimeter shows after you have to, you know, look for a natural pool, is a natural impact so low in the war. and i think that's from is the moment right now to do that. so i think we should, we shouldn't dismiss, all right, we're going to enjoy it all by triple. why would the russians in a meeting gauge negotiations at all? any other than a back channel thing that we're not gonna use nukes,

we could all agree. we're not going to do that, but other than that, what would the russians be interested in? go ahead martin. well, i think um the, the comments, but edward looked fuck, recently were very interested in his theory. they had a great job. let's go, let us know that his theory is that the russian central bank go home to his set to pitch and look things over to go to the moment we go. inflation on the control, we've got inflation at a so dream level. but most europeans cannot even spent as low as about that account last forever. so there's an economical aspect to this whole thing, which is the, you know, the situation, but pollutants in which is quite comfortable. it's not something that you can, you can banks, you can bank on forever, that has to be a longer strategy. so there are incentives to, i think, for russia to look up some of the issues that i saw, the same video you did. i found them seem to be utterly completely convincing. deal with that as well as i can trace. the baby is the,

the kids uh the, the was possibly some sort of but general communication going on between buns and noticing dr. barton, we have to go to a hard break. we're going to talk about the, the back channel in the 2nd half of the program. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in, we're going to come right back to stay with our team. when i would show seemed wrong. just don't have to shape out the application and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground the the welcome back to kind of stuff we're all things are

considered. i'm theater little, this is a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real minutes the let's go back to george in budapest. okay. george, let's look at it from the other side. you know, because usually i see these western, the lead so that there's always kind of this fantasy unicorn, west west, you know, is that, you know, and the zip you will probably, hispanic, a more there's, there's the interest of instability and broad signal which is like, i don't know where they get this information from and how they draw these conclusions because, you know, you and i have been with martin, you know, we work or 10 or avidly covering how people cover russia and it says so fantastically wrong. most of the time is that nobody really paid much attention to it. but now let's get down to brass tax something important, this conflict in ukraine. i still to this point,

irrespective of the interest rate. okay. i don't see why russia has any incentive at all ever. we'll have a couple of sites in the dumbass, you know, and brush. it'll have to give up. it's kind media, it's and it will have to accept when you have a form of nato membership. well, why would run rushing the initiated discomfort because it wasn't getting any of those things. why wouldn't change it's mine now? george? so i think exactly. now i've seen the incense is the tool and um, in fact, if it was to be a settlement now on the terms of which um, low black advocates and that interview referred to by nonsense um this will be a complete failure for russia because essentially, uh, russian would have to be giving up things that it actually had prior to the start of the, um, of the, the surplus special milledgeville braces that goes down. they have to agree to holding plebiscites. and you know, we know how the way these plebiscites work. i mean the, the that it's always very questionable once made that gets involved in

a plebiscite. so roughly what happens the giving up is gonna end up with less then it had the 18 months ago. so i don't see any reason. certainly built in conduct survive. so if we're talking about bite and then the election, i mean, open conducts of, i a such and such a accumulation. but there is an agenda always with, with this kind of talking, particularly with somebody like look like, look, track. essentially, once a war against china, i mean the, you know, that, that stays obsession. i mean, he's always been an obsessive sort of fellow, and he's not his new obsession. is china. and what, how does he, how do we find china? why? because why did using american boys, i mean, that's literally plan of any of the neo cons, what we're going to use russia and that's suite any agenda behind this as well. although, so, i mean, this guy, colby, is a ubiquitous presence on, on fox news. also, china, china, china, on the plan here is alright, let's bring this thing into your brain. so, and,

and then let's use russia against china. this is going to be all kind of father against china, much as it was originally when the nato expansion, the idea behind it. and george cyrus explained that they were going to use the spirit bins as count on father against russia and how we're going to use russia. that's kind of bother against china. well, i am assuming russian understands that that's the plan. but in the woods and other things that go to by of course with martin, let me again with this kind of looking at western fantasies. okay. i mean there, there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of scenario can possibly play out in a storage. riley points up, why do you, why do you, why would brush or give up anything that it doesn't have to give up? okay. it may. and in a, in plus, if you look at the long term, the impact of this war as having other than the, the, for people of ukraine and then the, all the soldiers that are dying is it in europe it's,

it's being the industrialized. now, considering everything that's been said and done, but since the end of the cold war fly would have russia throw anyone in the west, the lifeline. i mean, i, i just don't see it. i mean, there's so many things that have been said that can't be on said. and what about sanctions and all of that, do you think the americans will ever retract any sanction? oh, it's very well under any circumstances. so what is rush to get out of its own has gotten is about a pack of lies and deceit. sorry, that's my opinion. go ahead or, but if we're going to dismiss loops, comments about russian inflation, then there's not much left on the table in terms of what could be attracted to the gym, which is he's in the financial statement. he does think, but he thinks as a well doesn't think of the region. what are you good enough for good. the last week was very interesting. but we didn't get too much attention from west of me to read a whole lot of a lot of did uh, a condescending commentary, which was completely unfounded. okay, i, i find what i just told me it's the inability to read the home. said they simply,

just don't have read the room. i'm sorry about go ahead. i think that's a good to does one of these? i think the other, the does, i don't think wants to even envisage innovating them. that part of your claim is, and so if you're not interested in the, in the eastern european soviet motor, which didn't work just as the british colonial model, it didn't work. and i people failed to understand or feel to acknowledge, you know, all right and history. why the present, but let's just because it couldn't afford to run anymore. it was like owning an expensive jag of the call that you couldn't afford to fill out, you know, i'm, i think the same argument applies to the end of the soviet union. and those countries he doesn't love that so relationship, that's a resentful this from your kind of people he's not interested in, in, in with a baby. but i think he thinks of a bigger picture, you know, and um, to go back to bite and on buttons side there, there is the other issue about but, but i think you would like to end the war and maybe concentrate on the china threat . not necessarily going to what would china, but the use of china is

a mess. if deflection is because he a couple of emotions ever, that his son will be so stupid tablets, laptops should be good to imagine the meetings he had in um, in care of in 2015, 2016 with the um, the rest of the president discussing the money and the bribes, and i'm about an hour to get this ukrainian energy company. um, uh you know, teamed up with an american bonus so they could have like ago i'll buttons, vice president, courage. i have the chief procedure in ukraine kicked out, which he did, he couldn't imagine any of this coming out. and, you know, and it's extremely how it's just continuing, you know, just this week. it's now being sanitized. now we're kind of being a western media is kind of shrugged his shoulders and say ok, all right, we'll go to the report and we believe the sol, so strong. and there was study discussions about the $5000000.00 brian to each of them. we haven't got a smoking gun. we haven't got the receipts from the bank because martin don't you

think it's, it's kind of interesting. it's actually in the you bring that up because, um, you know, the, because of this growing scandal here, the, by the administration decide what works is already lost of all, or, you know, what's the page move on? okay. they, that's what that they're doing. they're trying to, you know, this is a success. we are, our policy has succeeded disney, right? and i mean it's it, but testicle to, to say it out loud, but that's what they're trying to convince people to, to a joseph george made these, which it's, it's interesting is that they, they want this, but they still continue to think that they can bleed russia we have to remember everyone. victoria nolan was temporarily promoted. ok. i mean, even in the space those looking for an offer, is that the right person to go to george? well, that's an excellent point to be the exec, and that's why i'm not buying the story of the, the, the, the back channel negotiations. because this is the person that was not only the most a logical in the state about the machine has been the driving force. only obama,

by the policy toward ukraine, obviously was a central figure. it was never blinked. and i mean, it was photo. so to make the act, the deputy secretary of state that that is a signal that there isn't going to be any change g as in go to a preside over any change or a policy as will biden's domestic problems. well, we are, you know, what, what do leaders do when they have major domestic problems? they huge saw so escalate was escalate complex. as of there, nobody's talking about the button when way we've got something bigger to talk about . but we had a whether your brain maybe even from the syria. there's the downside of that is if you forget you crate in china, if the heads were biden's domestic problems, the unfortunately were rapidly running out of time. but i want to bring up

something that i thought was interesting. is it responsible state craft like system sell themselves as i thought above, i would say, and i'm not going to mention the author's name because it's not really important to my point. but in one of their articles the last few days to bury him, he says like every one, once you praying to win in russia to lose this token, the come from a think tank. you know that when c instead. yeah, i thought they were a lot of smart people. i want you crazy with that part of everyone. what kind of arrogance is that more? it's unfortunate as the sides point. it reminds of the times that we're living and it is a detachment from the inside democratic process of western countries. we don't care anymore about what our citizens think. we barely even consider their views even once every 4 or 5 years at the elections and the situation that we have in person with the labor and conservative while you're having america, we, republicans and democrats, you know,

people are finally beginning to wake up. it doesn't matter which party you work for anymore. you know, it's all part of the corrupt religion system. and their main purpose is to fold keep themselves in positions, giving us open jobs. and secondly, computers and disrupt the public away from ever asking any remotely intelligent questions. and i, i'm getting sick to death. i'm reading articles and the british press of them the daily telegraph about what's going on and ukraine, and the been a russian dictate to kidnapping sounds, the children you know. and then the so essentially to read what was expected or could, when general is read other articles and they see those words in the 3rd paragraph. you know, you're working in a, b, s of not b s or somebody also also, it's really interesting to george, right? now, well, so when it comes to russia, they never use the word alleged anymore. the website just, it just assumed. okay, so this of, according to of the report this are assigned to misconduct. no, it's just, it's a, it's

a established fact. ok for that matter we can get the source the it's always given as a, as a question on question. fact, the rest of the structure blew up by dialing some civilian of the sides. um and but when they report a russian denial, then they say um, when you of times it was, it was unable to independently from the russian play. and so there's always, you know, whatever the rest of the day, anything when we were not able to confirm this claim. but apparently your brain is going to complain whatever they want. but let's know, need to verify anything. but it's, but those are then brought in this idea of, of whenever boot is there, isn't it? they put in full sleep claimed. so it is likely the job is just inserts his own opinion, full sleep claim because they were at the and i was full. so then what, what, what, what do you, what are you basing this on what all the western media has in real time, fact checking of the,

the fact checking as they're writing right about to go to you and martin, go ahead. what we are on is the lensky sense, when you leave here, those 2 words from the bbc or any of the mainstream, british products, you know, you know, your, into the truman show zone where, but salt really very little. we have enough to stick to, you know, why would you let facts done in the way of a good story? that's been the policy but several, now, you know, people don't know. they don't know the propaganda machine that's been created by the americans. a kid, they don't know that most of the story is the same, completely fictitious, and this, this has no effect to mislead those checks the company. i've always said they have a white board and they just go from the next story. the next story is all planned in advance. gentleman that's all behind we have what i think my guess americans and booted as the one thing our viewers for watching us here at our teach the next time . remember, press ups, the,

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