i do apologize for interrupting you being absolutely right. does a huge amount of money that comes from western partners does pumped into some of the governments in these african nations here. and then a lot of people are saying, well this is, this is potentially part of the problem ally, but i can see you sitting there and we just quickly, your thoughts on this, the hell origin i know is absolutely a know much, but particularly in these at all, but i do think there is going to be an intervention of possible french intervention or even incursion, to restore that mail it. i, i just, i this, at this stage. i hope not. i really hope that they keep the, let the people something to share for us to do what they asked to do. because when i thought i said still early, but what you see the early sizes that at least the population is backing what is happening. and so that means that something was that was not, was not being done. right. and, and this thing here at the shows that the population somehow is supporting a change, but we don't know it's early. this is what you said before earlier,

the real, the real thing that we need to keep in mind is that the, what the ever stop it was thought of 10 years ago has been a failure. that is, that is, that is the most important thing that we have to keep in mind in whatever will go into in the next days. but what ever intervention came and the support of the team phone falls, as shown that they were not up to the task and the people who has been suffering from all of this. i'm, this is a game we need to get out of this and, but i hope that the, that the, the all african brothers a more and more taking responsibility for who that how the way they, they need to do with the opposite the, the, the capacity to do it to how would you begin? so it's about taking responsibility. oh, but you talked about taking responsibility and i appreciate you saying that, but to me, i mean, to me do, do you think the african union is playing it's part is doing it's part it's responsibility and, and helping to resolve a security crisis of the dolphin can unit is very weak form way

the says to remember that we try, he's going dog foss, community seems, told kyrese and credit fund bought. and so as soon as the navy's phone car is due, i say you need our dryer car in job on choose your time. the guy decides during his whole, entire agency and base design transform titans this week, i would already say via me as you all west and gone to the u. s. a. n for i need to sign up for the fries will notice the mental. so we need to get the read on this other card and she's been trying to use readings on fridays. i was just to die by the into. i was because i was your boss doctor during the our own series of the lie on them. so i don't, i'm not, you're not us. i think i think it's amazingly well well said, why that to me because you know, joshua as you well know with the africa rush or somebody that's just being stays in the past couple of days and some petersburg, we have all that presenting it for all to an international, there's

a lot of talk about going away from the donor, the donor rising and using national congress. he's in trade, joshua, is that a realistic future economic plan? do you think that in bold and i guess independence and sovereignty but i think i'm, i'm sorry, but i, i kind of have a challenge hearing you on, on the other side, if you could come again. yeah, i was just going to say that there is a number, a lot of tool on the african continent about a d dollar rising and using a national carries and trade. i know the bricks groups are talking about their own kind of car. and so you think the dollar rising is a good way to, to kind of a preserve sovereignty or reintroduce sovereignty in africa? indeed, i mean, is it something that to be the african countries within the african continent helping, pushing full and following the apple jet free t of we get 3 as we, after you saw in the 19 sixty's that actually give best some other instruments for

which reason was sort of the astonishment of the african continent of free trade agreements with which great, i mean, gone as the host of the secretariat that has been close to push for the suffering t or one car when see that will actually the dollar rise the for when comes to because i response not one of the things that i, that keeps given prussia to local koans, usually the kind of continents is the front of that. because we boil in the phone companies. and particularly in the interest weeks that we get in with time. the money that we get on multi really expended into the right project to policies. then what happens is that the local economy as not actually receiving or benefit in from any of the expenditures and a such that retains almost coming in. and this is also part of a joshua is more somebody going to say in africa with um, with a lot of in federal resources that

a sense that the export from africa and refine so a lot of the minimal until this, all this good stuff is not required it goes to western professional partners, they refunded and then send it back to africa at a much martin high, a higher price. joshua, if i can, just if i can just hold hold you. but just pause for one second, made all, but i'll go to come to you one more time. we, she seeing a lot of these videos coming out of pots of us a hell. it's showing a lot of people are. there's parts of the jag with his reason, military coup, some other hot spots as well to take re region as well. we're seeing a lot of russian slides being held by people in the crowds being ways by people in the crowds. i'd love to know how to the slide is get the air and, and, and the, another question is, is the wagner private military company i've heard it might be operational in some regions in that part of the confident do you know anything about it, albert and if i may after that i would like also to come back on this currency and entries on the continents and all that because that's it. really

important not coming back to your the immediate question. whether 1st of all, it is, is it is a fact that ever since the end of the cold war, this world had started to move on into a uni pull uh world. and, and, and the fact that the, we, we, we, we seeing that the, to the there, isabelle tentative and all that, of course, for the young people in the, in africa now can getting start thinking like care how they, the eldest ones is that there are other possibilities then just to be connected to the west because of the west has almost like taking over the whole of africa. so uh today, uh, even to some its, uh, russia for guy is definitely soaking and speaking to, to a younger generation african that's a fact for that. but on the back now. brad know is a nebulous backing. that is, is something that is not clear. you know, some people said that somebody was that,

uh, that was uh, i left him to school. we meet in russia. wasn't really, wasn't enough for you. so back in that it shouldn't be the thing that you put forward. i think there's more the fact that the fact that that there are a multi pull out world is much more interesting to, to see 4 foot for the moment. i mean, it's about 10 people. then in fact, in fact, and every main, something that you see and then use it, you don't know is it's really a private thing. is it really in russia or nothing and all that? so i think we need to be very careful for the fact that you see those flags. that is fine. you cannot, you cannot deny that is set aside for africa. all right? or what do you want? and i appreciate that or for the all right, i read it. well, yeah, we can. i'm running very, very low on time to me. i want to give you, i want to give you the good look at the closing comments. it might of the i'll but didn't really have the, the time to get it because he was on a roll. but to me just quickly tell me national currencies in africa. well, what, what's happening right now is, is it a move towards

a different type of financial mechanism for that content? it is the bread basket of the world to me, to the wherever y'all's you guys know in the auction bought to move to was getting an offer to him. cutting seats on the bottom didn't make any sort on the web street on october communities. it needs to move, forget always page. you're changing everybody's tyrants to sort that are the guy who did self, wants dependency perform on the issues and i'll be done last. make sure that it use easiest armanteros in the us to be his or thought he did. and that, do you mind didn't use plays in the or did you problems, you know, i just wish we had more time for this conversation to me center colliding joshua, uta, and albert over to that same border, my gentlemen, it's been an absolute pleasure, i think, own of you 3 live and worldwide on, on the international we hope to see you again sometime soon. thank you very much. figure it all, much good. thank you. thank you very much. i thank you for joining us. there were now to international. we are retiring and approximately 20 minutes

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on the move on to see the gold greetings everyone. we're here with roland bloomberg. head of the patrice emory lumber foundation. good afternoon, mr. remember. good afternoon. let's start with this. why is it important for you to be here in saint petersburg? for the russia, africa summits, the same sample, san pasco, the limo, but foundation is happy to be present. whereas africa can or should make decisions . so we get to witness what's going on 1st hand and participate. we believe that south of all the continents of the world, there was still much to be done in africa. the us felt it was important to organize that conference with africa, china, and from civil side on the side. and it is quite natural that a big country, like russia is not lagging behind them. i was invited to the 1st somebody in sochi . we believe that all countries both need each other,

especially because we don't have and they haven't had historical claims a gates, russia, all the soviet union as we do against other countries on the issues of all shit balls. and we don't forget that the union contributed to our freedom, helped some african countries to free themselves at that colonial status. old in all, i see only the positives and i think it's important to identify opportunities for positive development together. that's a platform where everyone can speak out of you have something set since the corner particulars and we'll get back to that. but now i'd like to ask your opinion on the people's friendship, university of russia, one of the most prestigious universities in the country. once more being named in honor of patrice lymphoma, i imagine that was important for you as someone who is dedicated to preserving the legacy of patrice limone by the con, the least statesman who is considered the 1st nationalist, 0 of the democratic republic of congo after its independence, he said russia was part of his journey and he left her rich legacy. here maybe is

of course, it was of great importance to us. we followed the story with great interest. when we found out that it happened, we couldn't miss the chance to write to the russian authorities and the academic community to thank them once again for the on a given to one great here, right to it here, right? with the come go of africa, end of the well on his memory has been on it. and we're very grateful for this. just yet. a possibly in finance for the the can you tell us a little bit about the contribution the made to the development of strong ties between your region and the then soviet union. and later on to relations with russia. how did that relationship come about? the relationship with them, but really developed when he saw support from the un was refused. he then turned towards the soviet union. they agreed to provide him with an airplane. of course, it wasn't anything grand, but it showed an eagerness to help us. and from that point on the many of his

opponents began to regard him as a communist. although our country at that time had not yet developed an understanding of the concept of communism after his death, the den, so that you need an educated many of his associates relations with good bye during the members lifetime and off to his death. as you know, the members associates remain loyal to the us as well as a new to you. and so you could say that he was the one who started this relationship fairly nice. yeah, yes. you could put it that way. he established that relationship when he made his request and then he forward for simulate principles. back then the soviet union was helping a number of countries from and go to, to mozambique. countries that were progressive for the time, and then they were fighting the same cause. it will still come off. so what i source and how has this relationship changed up until today? you mentioned higher education. are there other areas in which the special relationship has developed more? no, less in the congo?

no. of course, some members of the leadership went to patrice of the member university. they didn't become overly pro western, but it's believed that in the bhutto became these young dom with the united states in our region. so this is more likely to apply to other countries in the region. so during mobutu has ruled, the country turned its back on russia. why the, it may seem, pay us exactly for the entire 34 years. then in the world divided into 2 camps. the members associates found more supports in the eastern bloc countries. the, the peter, they found the platform, but after the end of mo, booties rule, the relation start to improve again. so when the end of looters rule came to should be mentioned that at that time, russia was beginning its recovery from the collapse of the soviet union and relations with the african countries. not so long ago, emptied the menu. exactly. the relations had gone down. the less where it gained

determined to review my relations because we have a certain affection for russia. it's very noticeable if what were the people, so in your opinion, what is the secret of this close mutual affinity between russia and africa? so go to the fast say, as i said before, we don't have a painful pause in all relations with russia. nothing there tomorrow relations. but call me yes, unlike relations with the west which has been scanned on by the slave trade, come lies ation neo colonialism. we're still trying to shed light on some of the manifestations. yes, we cooperates but not on an equal foot take because with russia everything that's happened has been on equal grounds. you can say that immediately without pause to think about it. and this is what we've been striving for almost 60 years of the independence to be respected to be accepted as equals. we're striving for a relationship that is beneficial to both. despite the propaganda,

this being made against russians in africa, it's noticeable that it's not changing people's attitudes as intended. a similar penalty, no, uh, what opinions do the african population, especially the french speaking population, have about africa. what are their thoughts on russia, seo. but if we talk about the french speaking, positive africa, the media that have a lot of in fluids, listen to there at least 90 percent west mediately. we wake up to the sound of our if i baby say voice of america, the stones towards cooperation between europe and russia is of course, most style. but the coming man doesn't feel that whole standing think it's surprising and lately i can't even say what explains it. given all the techniques of the west. however, there is sympathy for a symbol of the states, such as the president, an inexplicable sympathy for president booting the we even have such a check in africa and especially in congo almost every way you can encounter such a concept as seen you already. right,

so this is when you respect someone who is older areas, you have to listen to what they tell you be respectful. yes, you have to listen to them. even the address reflects this when you address and now that you say elder brother. recently, ordinary people, when talking about putin started quoting him, elder brother foods, in my call and say why, i wonder why indeed they say big brother boots. and he, because i say, what's the big curve? it's the that, why is it that he defeated cove? it affordable started and ukraine. we went to sleep and woke up with constant reports that so many people died from cultivate. so many people were infected toby, this guy with that since the war broke out, if it hasn't been heard of. the media is focused, has completely switched. it's a disease that affects everyone's life. you couldn't move around freely, etc. and today there are no restrictions, and we say it's all likes to food thing. i see it's just a junk of course, that even though it does say something though, so yeah. but they were looking for

a reason to express their appreciation. that's it. oh, yes. okay, so that, that sounds great with everything to suit. now, i'd like to come back to one interesting point you raised to western media ubiquitously appearing in africa and also in russia. and russia is trying to include a media portrait of africa through various media outlets, which includes r t, how do you see this initiative to go to the post? it's rather a positive thing because other ways of getting information would be the ability to travel to move from country to country. and so i want, as the internet is not available to everyone. we have many other tools, full comparison for the average person who stays in the back country is contents way of just a small radio receiver. the struggle speak up frequency, i don't know. and even if it does, it's r f. i all of want to the roof and that said, it's basically the only source of information song because it's an interpretation

in the transmission of information, it wouldn't be transmitted and there relies the advantage of that. despite this interference, they are beginning to be critical of the west in the processing of information discussing, are they really the so it's a very positive trend on russia, spots to work on providing information. it will be beneficial for all of us. so i'll just get the details of the service after talking to various participants in the summit. it seems that there is a demand from the population for i take 1st city a few points to help them develop their own opinions. yes, yes, of course, of course, because there is it designed to bring. yesterday i was invited to a panel discussion on pan african is a, it's origin. and it was attended by the children of those who gave political expressions to this time. african is a nice it all of a time by mentality the moon, but everyone was there to discuss an african ism and its origins. it surprised me.

i felt very proud of that because at one time a similar initiative was launched in tripoli by president. get that free, but that was expected understandable. he's an african, the leader of an african country is perfectly natural since prussia is not an african country, but it's still cares about this issue. if this is a really positive thing and we africans will need to take advantage of this to explain the more precisely what pam african ism is, how exactly to come to this african solidarity that the found his parents who created this concept with striving to establish on the continent, and i'm very grateful to rushes to considering these things. and how would you define pan african is a, is african solidarity bucks on a high level. you're a foreigner, you come to my village. i said, you interesting to, you know, it's more than that is what was at the heart of the conception of the european union and the ability to confront big commonalities, like the united states,

china and other countries to occupy almost whole continents to become today. well, i cannot mccloud the phone, let me call associated economic social because of cologne utilization. we lost a lot in terms of culture and identity. and in the fifty's and sixty's, people thought it was important for us to come together. stand up to these pretend is the danger then it seemed to come more from the europeans who came to col, nice us now trying to raise active. the united states is active. it's kerry white numbers are important on a cultural level. having started thinking about this many years ago, we believe that we need to what to be recognized after all, the country, one that 1000000 people is a community. and then the voters that have been drawn sitting around the table in the lane or somewhere else. there is such countries in africa, it seems that pan african isn't as a concept, is becoming more and more popular, more more people are talking about it. is this really the case with yes, it is becoming more and more popular, but you have to teach it more because many political leaders prefer to be king of

the village rather than the route the city? no, no. i have my own the country. i want solvency. i want to be in charge. i want, we need to go beyond this kind of thinking and consider that community to people much larger and much more useful community. so 8 policies. it all takes time. it takes education. it's all slowly evolving through the discussion of these concepts with several most us in the middle here. yes, it's starting to develop and many young people, even young africans who grew up in the west, starting to adhere to these concepts, trying to communicate them to others, to explain them. and that's a positive thing. to western media, especially the french media, do not hesitate to denigrate the pan african, his movements, the supporters of sovereignty and de, legitimize it at the 1st opportunity. what do you think are the reasons for this, of the reserved for mary near the principle of divide and rule. if the master is a despised, it's much easier to control them when the population of the country is one to

2000000 people. that is much easier to manipulate, to control these people. that's the reason why they're moving in that direction. is chris, i suggest them, are these attempts at manipulation effective? do they work? they work because we allow ourselves to be bribes. they not effective 100 percent of the time, but you can see the some latest do not subscribe to the concepts of pan african ism, they prefer the concept of everyone will keep the little privileges we're afraid of losing their privileges in such a large community. it takes a lot of explaining to show the benefits of membership and logic groupings off. okay. yeah, because there are many people in the you who want to leave this type of big association. are there no contradictions here? after all, brooks, it happened not so long ago. the u. k. left the e. u. a few years ago. and here we are talking about africa, which wants to unite into one block. there are advantages and disadvantages.

yes, in my opinion, everything in life has its advantages and disadvantages, but i believe and many agree with me that the price of uniting nations fall most significant to the cones. whether we like it or not, we did not respond to become a 2nd a you. but we respond to become an end state that can make decisions and implement them by making decisions for 200000 people is not the same as making decisions. we're a much larger union. the majority view is that the outcome of unification will be positive. we're not focusing on break said yes, you can take no that example, but they are all big unions. they work and you can take an example from them. so what can we wish for africa today in the 21st century so that it can finally follow the path of development and prosperity, which as you say, would be common to everyone. what could we wish for africa in that regard? as i said, we are in a situation today, we need technology, that costs, we have some technology, but we need more to develop certain things. other countries still need role

materials, but they do not have that we do. and so why not organize and exchange, which is now co, many called a win win cooperation. you get the role materials you need and we get the technology to increase the pace of development so that you don't pine up all the things that you don't need. all the things that button you were able to mind, coal boats and produce computers, phones. and so on, we have a solid amounts accumulated in africa, but we don't have the technology. we can trade it for other technologies that we need. so we don't take these results is for granted. let's try to maintain a pallet said, please be brief to keep both parties on the winning side step in this way. so that's what we want to see the africa of the future in front of us to fight the pressing environmental problems. the increasing hate to one point i went to europe and suddenly realized that they were suppose that then in egypt it was in front. i encountered, hates that never experienced in africa. well, this is because they've cut down the forest that you please explain to the mess

list late for you, and today we're paying for it together. and africa may have been affected even more than some western countries. a newman. exactly. and now the only hope left hinges on brazil, income guy, and we told not to touch anything, not to cut anything down. why not? while europe continues to be far as exterminate and just the harmony of nature. a lot of different most all in the name of progress see on saturday. we are not to be in the name of progress and yet they tell us not to touch a thing. we say yes, you're right. we want to interrupt your environmental work thoughts if you want us not to interrupt it, then reparations must be made. otherwise, we will do is you do exploit natural resources to develop and then we will all have to deal with the consequences together, which is exactly what we're facing right now. so let's try to be fat and consider the interest of old policies on it. well, let's hope that your message is getting through mister lumber. thank you for

answering our questions. thank you. and thank you for joining us. the the as explains much over 5 to counter offensive stalls. western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical, tippett spines, as proof of his already lost board. the secretary of state lincoln says russia has lost their narrative because a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is wendy,

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