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the hello and welcome across stock. were all things are considered on funeral about as a cranes much over 5 to counter offensive stalls? western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical pivot, buying and says poor has already lost the war. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative is a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is winnie, is untenable. the to discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we passed the door to 70 wiley. he's a pod cast or at the gabble, which means all on youtube and locals. are gentlemen, costs up rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want that i always appreciate it. all right, it's good, george in budapest it's, it's really remarkable watching the course of this conflict and how the west has

changed its rhetorical focus like narrative of every everyone wants to support you . great, of course is going to win because it has um, the, the moral spirit, you know, the courage of the, of the ukrainian soldier in society. what the responsible states have had an article ukraine is already was the 1st big. okay. and then, you know, as long as it takes, okay, and now over the last guy would say 2 weeks. so, well, you know, the of the premium, so just follow their orders that nato gave them in the train and, you know, and then biding says, well, the book is already lost. you know, there's, they've already lost what, so they're trying to book and now say to me, whatever happens i like, you know, it's not as false. george? yes. the question that's, that's always the american motif. the only one of the ally, you know, who was the united states. uh, which is why again, it always turns out to be just not really worthy of uh,

american health and supposed to be in, oh yeah. but the south in the me is where it goes to useless. uh, you know, then you know, we had the, the weight is a, in the, in the 1st of will were useless. the ass counties were useless, everybody's always useless. and so there is the same um, right, if i were you trade in, i think, well, it's a little bit much. i mean, you have a photo of it. is anybody in but 70 is a and you're telling us that we're not fighting properly. you know what, you know, you get a driveway to grab a gun in the back back and fight alongside those, but it doesn't work as a well, we don't really want to do that. so yeah, i mean, the, the visible sorts of, uh, confusing messages that are coming out from uh, the administration. but there are also these confusing messages. but other coming out about the some go to negotiations that are going on. um, in the background um no into that being the number of stores the stores and like nbc,

um about these negotiations backs us officials talking to ty level uh russians and then um we, we, we, we now have another story about this uh and the go see that i, i know buying it i don't think this is, these are serious because ultimately the rule that is going on is good for the united states. the united states isn't losing anything. and it is the russians are dying ukrainians of mine. i don't see any incentive to be honest um for the united states to the, to bring it this doing in. so doing the, the, the, the stories of i've got a wishful thinking. well, this is what i would do if i were a rational person, which is true, but i don't think that that's necessarily how the, by the administration is thinking. it's such an interesting way to phrase it because the ultimate goal is okay. maybe ukraine isn't going to win, but it can still keep fighting martin. i mean, it's, it's an interesting thing here is that is what you know is the main,

the outcome. will there be, will be a negotiated outcome. that's a new thing to that's making it into the narrative. but in the meantime, in the meantime, the us is not going to pursue any kind of negotiations or whatnot. just for the reason that george said, i mean, even though it's been a lot of money, a lot of taxpayer money. i mean, this is a, a conflict against russia on the cheap learning. guys, i'm going to disagree with both of you. i'm really, i'm really sorry. i think i think joe just wrong. i think that arisen incentive to buy and 6 to to stop is will i think he's starting to wake up to the realities that he called ron in the, in this is re election campaign. i'm starting from next on may just comp face both just particularly blue complexes and have this in mind the living and to realistic the non here hang on here is i think it's pretty obvious that the drum base may agree with that. but i think you would still agree with this

is very much a bi partisan endeavor. i mean, getting an inspector general. i mean, that was by far to sitting in the senate. okay. no, we're not going to happen because the price of the buying doesn't want it. that was by part, is that okay, they keep going to but i say we're living in a, we're living in a scenario to our no realities. we're living in a truman show kind of a movie says web i, you know, on the, on the face of it, do you have officials like could be, and others who us thing you know, it in the most ancient and then when they knew it, tons of law suite, there was some backpedaling, there was some emissions that was not going very well, but then we should hang in there and we should push all reserves. if the claim was, is up to the front line, a disaster has tax exempt bite in the same oceans. lost the war, how many people actually bull into the, you know, think what's going on on the power though, to, to tackle george's assertion, had only thing was going on on a power level and secretaries, i think there are tools going on because i think the item does want to get out of

this well, i really do think he does and i think, yeah, one of the things been showing me about this, um this uh, this, this scenario. all of the cleanings on that. i'm going to show, you know, think about that. how does that happen? how do we get into that situation? the 1st place i'll do the best miniature brands in the pentagon, in january of this year or december, did not plan the scenario and say, hey guys, what's gonna run quite low and about may of june. should we not make preparations for it now? i'm sure they did, i'm sure they contacted the button administration and they didn't get very clear on so from the buttons administration. but to tackle this, if you want to supply the things with the munition even to the very easy you don't even need to use your own. american stokes are plenty of allies around the world. they're playing stuff close around the world. yeah, it doesn't even need to be american where you could, i didn't buy chinese on it, so i don't, i don't buy into this, you're going to run it. i'm going to should i think they will let, i think i think they were allowed to fall into this pit because i really do believe

the boys and bolts of the role and i really do believe in the leadership. let's go come and take the oh yeah, it is. okay. and it does the fact that they couldn't plan for this doesn't surprise me. i think they believe that the sanctions would have done the job. and them, you know, and good story here. but the kind of go and go back to george. but, but george, it doesn't really matter because as you rush has already lost the more that's the new narrative. okay. so i mean, you know what, we did everything we could do. you, just, as you said, you know, it's lensky and his people. i mean, we, you know, we, we know nothing about your brain without your brain. they're doing their own thing here. i think that, you know, the business going on the cheap here. and then of course blame the use of it and then they leave the europeans to step up. jord, they just didn't do enough. ok. i think there's plenty of ways for them to rationalize, which is like the hunter bite and story if they have that a agreement go through. they say it's spoken to this is over no more investigations . we don't have a they live in the pseudo reality, george. but i think so,

i think that the, this provides them with an escape hatch. but if things go wrong, then to say what it was really the brand is full but full full or they didn't take our advice. and again, they, they misuse the, the web and we, we gave them, you know, a by 5 to many shells. and it was around a, i, a, i'm actually not buying into the story that they're running out of shows. i mean, this happens in every will. every what we hear about, oh the sure there's a shortage of uh, off hillary shows a show. did you mind me? they said this during the one that was a big, big issue and well, well, well, hey, we're running out of, um, i'll tell her what are we going to do about this? so the, the question is, is what's the incentive for the united states to, to bring this to an end. i'm not buying this thing about the, the us, the likes on the us selection is like, it's a long way off. many ways, it's the domestic issues that prevalent. there is more or less a,

a consensus among most, the candidates said, hey, this is a good rule and then we should keep it going with true about with trump. so i, you know, i don't think biden is worried about the electric by the, is worried about getting into a direct shooting hole with russia. i think that's a different issue. so inviting said no, do nato membership or ukraine. i mean, he did it because a, if you brain is joins nature, where on the, which would you really just reinforces that this is the way that they buy ministration. just by doing this book, we're going to let them do all the fighting for us in the end to end it to dump the market. it's just like not having ukraine in nato. it gets, gets beat out in the states again, off the hook. ok, we're, we're not responsible for that country security. okay, just let me explain. i have the best of all possible worlds here, which in the den means the destruction of ukraine. the very purpose of this policy was the policy for us. it not ukraine,

mark. so there's another theory which spring founded about which i comp claim credit for, which is another reason why i didn't refuse to let your grant. and so nature is to keep the as a bargaining chip. so when you finally do, when do funding negotiate with the russians? you've got something quite strong on your side, but to take george's point, i don't think it's exclusively. i don't think it's only the buttons as worried about elections and how yourselves this massive, unprecedented amount of ministry spending in a country that probably 99 percent of americans call assigned to the map of the world, i think is more than that, i think is getting increasingly worried about china and i don't think you can handle china, i think trained both on the same plate with storm policy f ups. you know that a bum, uh, used to was used to critics him with, you know, we should never forget that quote from, from above. i don't know, i've never underestimate, binds ability to f things up. i think it's talking about foreign policy. so i think that with china, threat with cheese, you know, sounding else um, delivering signals which are more robust and mobility codes every single day and

basing on the drum and the tension building up a tile. stating there is a, a need for the bug and administration to look for an offer on. and i think they're all to what's going on. i think i wouldn't be to supply the ice thing. but this is deliberate, i think since about december or january to the what the claims were delivered. the allow to one of them initial to create this low because you call them negotiations with the russians when you also rent a 1000. 02155 millimeter shows after you have to, you know, look for a natural pool, is a natural impact so low in the world. and i think that's from to the moment right now to do that. so i think we should, we shouldn't the, all right, we're enjoyed all by triple. why would the russians in a meeting gauge and negotiations at all? any other than a back channel thing that we're not gonna use nukes, we could all agree. we're not going to do that, but other than that, what would the russians be interested in? go ahead martin. well, i think um the, the comments,

but edward looked fuck recently. we're very interested in his theory, the, the great job. but let's go and let us know that his theory is that the russian central bank government has such a pitch in look. thanks a very good. remember, we've got inflation on the control weekly inflation, a. so dream level that most europeans cannot even spent as low as about that account last forever. so there's an economic cool aspect to this whole thing, which is the, you know, this situation but pollutants in which is quite comfortable. it's not something that you can, you can banks, you can bank on forever, that has to be a longer strategy. so there are incentives the, i think for russia to look up some of the issues that i saw, the same video you did. i found them seem to be utterly completely unconvincing. deal with the as losing trees. but the, the key is that the, the was possibly some sort of but general communication going on between buns and

noticing the larger we have to go to a hard break. we're going to talk about the, the back channel in the 2nd half of the programs gentlemen, but i'm going to jump in. we're going to come right back, stay with archie. the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion like power to division with no real live indians fixtures, design to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better world. and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this? but can you see through their illusions,

going underground can their cells and, you know, i mean, there are things that black and white in nature for the west and the approach to any of the internal personal interpersonal interstate relationship is one of the black and white realities. are many, many seats or both different colors, different states, and other chinese. last, the approach to the issue is, you know, if we're different, we can work together the a welcome back to kind of stuff. were all things are considered 90. well, this is a home editions remind you were discussing some real notes

the let's go back to george in budapest. ok, george. let's look at it from the other side. you know? and because i see these western elite so that there's always kind of this fantasy unicorn wish list, you know, is that, you know, and the zip you will probably hispanic more there's, there's an instability in rush, you know, it's just like, i don't know where they get this information from and how they draw these conclusions because you know, you and i have been with martin mean a week or 10 were adequately covering how people cover russia. and it says so fantastically wrong. most of the time is that nobody really paid much attention to it. but now let's get down to brass tax something important, this conflict in ukraine. i still to this point in respect to the big interest rate . okay. i don't see why russia has any incentive at all ever. we'll have a couple of sites in the dumbass. you know, and brush will have to give up. it's a try me. and it will have to accept when you're

a form of nato membership most well, why would run rushing the initiated discomfort because it wasn't getting any of those things. why wouldn't change it's mine now? george? exactly, no, i see him though. incense is a tool and in fact if it was to be a settlement now on the terms of which um lo, black advocates, and that interview referred to by nonsense um, this will be a complete failure for russia, because essentially, uh, russian would have to be giving up things that it actually had prior to the start of the, um, of the, the surplus special another job already. so that gives them that have to agree to holding plebiscites. and, you know, we know how the way these plebiscites work. i mean the, the that it's always very questionable once made that gets involved in a plebiscite. so roughly what happens the giving up is going to end up with less then it had the 18 months ago. so i don't see any reason. certainly built in conduct survive. so if we're talking about bite and then the election,

i mean open conducts of i a such a, such a, a humiliation. but there is an agenda always with, with this kind of talking to, particularly with somebody like look like, look, track essentially, once a war is trying, i mean that you, you know, that, that stays obsession. i mean, he's always been an obsessive sort of fellow. and he's not his new obsession. is china. and what, how does he, how do we find china was lighted using american boys? i mean, that's never really plan of any of the neo cons. what we're going to use russia. and that's suite any agenda behind this as well, although, so i mean, this guy, colby, is a big with his presence on, on fox news. also china, china, china. i'm, the plan here is alright, let's bring this thing into your brain. so and, and then let's use russia, i gaze china, this is going to be all kind of father again shine and much as it was originally when the nato expansion, the idea behind it. and george cyrus explained that they were going to use the

spirit bins as count on father against russia. so we're going to use russia. that's kind of bother against china. well, i am assuming russian understands that that's the plan that's in the woods. and i don't think they go to, but of course the, let me again with this kind of looking at western fantasies. okay. i mean, there, there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of scenario could possibly play out any storage, riley points up. why do you, why do you have, why would russia give up anything that it doesn't have to give up? ok, it may and, and, and plus, if you look at the long term, the impact of as far as having other than the data for people of ukraine and, and the, all the soldiers that are dying is it in europe it's, it's being the industrialized smell, considering everything that's been said and done the since the end of the cold war fly would have rush it, throw anyone in the west, the lifeline. i mean i, i just don't see it. i mean,

there's so many things that have been said that can be on said, and what about sanctions and all of that, do you think the americans will ever retract anything so? oh, it's very well under any circumstances. so what is rush to get out of it? all it has gotten is about a pack of lies and deceit. sorry, that's my opinion. go ahead more. but well, if we're going to dismiss, let's, let's comments about russian inflation. then there's not much left on the table in terms of what could be attracted to the region pleasant, which is, is an international state. it does state, but he thinks of the well doesn't think of the region when he did an applicant of the last week was really interesting. but we didn't get too much attention from west of me to read a whole lot of did that a lot of did uh, a condescending commentary, which was completely unfounded. okay. i, i find when i go to school much begin ability to read the room. okay. they don't, can't read the room. i'm sorry mark, go ahead. i think i think picture does one piece. i think it's other leaders. i

don't think wants to even envisage inviting them about part of your crime. he's, i don't know if you're still interested in the, in the eastern european soviet model, which didn't look just as the british colonial model. it didn't work. and people felt sort of this down on the bill to acknowledge, you know, all right and history. why did pretty simple i flaps just because it couldn't afford to run anymore. it was like owning an expensive jagger a call that you couldn't afford to fill out, you know, and i think the same argument applies to the end of the soviet union. and those countries, he doesn't love that so relationship, that's a resentful this from the kind of people he's not interested in in, in the baby. but i think he thinks of a bigger picture, you know, and um, to go back to the light at on button side there. there was the other issue about but what i think he would like to end the war and maybe concentrate on the china threat. not necessarily going to what would china, but using china is a mess. if deflection is because he, it kind of emotions ever that his son will be so stupid tablets,

laptops should. he couldn't imagine the meetings he had in, in kids in 2015, 2016 with the rest of the present to discussing the money and the bribes. and i'm about now to get this ukrainian energy company. um, uh, you know, teamed up with an american pond, so they could have like ago i'll buttons, vice president, could i have the chief persecution ukraine kicked out what you did? it could've imagine any of this coming out. and you know, and it's extraordinary how is just continuing, you know, just this week. it's now being sun. that's all i have no way to kind of be in a western media is kind of shrugged his shoulders and say, okay, all right, go to the feel report and we believe the sol so strong. and there was study discussions about the $5000000.00 brian to each of them. we haven't got a smoking gun. we haven't got the receipts from the bank. so the best martin, don't you think it's, it's kind of interesting. it's actually in the you bring that up because, um, you know, the, because of this growing scandal here, the, by the administration decide what works is already lost of all, or, you know,

what's the page move on? ok. they, that's what they're doing. it's trying to, you know, this is a success. we are, our policy has succeeded disney, right? i mean, it's, it, but it's task to go to, to say it out loud, but that's what they're trying to convince people to, to a joseph. george made the, which it's, it's interesting is that they, they want is that they still continue to think that they can bleed russia. we have to remember everyone. victoria nolan was temporarily promoted. ok. i mean, for the space those looking for an offer, is that the right person to go to george? well, that's an excellent point to be the executive. that's why i'm not buying the story of the, the, the, the back channel negotiations. because this is the person who is not only the most, a logical in the state about the but she has been the driving force. only obama buying new policies, or would you agree? and i me, she was a central figure. it was never blinked. and i mean, it was for,

so to make her actually did a secretary of state that is a signal that there isn't going to be any change g as in go to a preside over any change or a policy as will biden's domestic problems. well, i mean, you know what, what do leaders do when they have major domestic problems? they huge, saw the escalate was escalate complex as of their, nobody's talking about the button when way we've got something bigger to talk about . but we had a whether you praying, maybe live in probably the syria. there's the downside of that. is it being for, did you, craig, in china, if that's where biden's domestic problems the unfortunately we're rapidly running out of time, but i want to bring up something that i thought was interesting. is it responsible, statecraft? um, i'd like to just um, sell themselves as a cut above i would say, and i'm not going to mention the author's name because it's really important to my

point in one of their articles the last few days at the very end. this was like, every one, once you praying to win in russia to lose this token that come from a think tank, you know, the quincy instead. yeah. i thought they were a lot of smart people. i want you crazy with. i'm not part of everyone. what kind of arrogance is that more? it's unfortunate as the subs poignant reminds the times that we're living and it is a detachment from the inside democratic process of western countries. we don't care anymore about what our citizens think we barely eat for. consider that is even once every 4 or 5 years at the elections and the situation that we have in person with the labor and conservative. while you have an america, we republicans and democrats and us people are finally beginning to wake up. it doesn't matter which party you work for anymore. you know, it's all part of the corrupt religious system. and their main purpose is to fold keep themselves in positions, getting self in jobs. and secondly,

computers and disrupt the public away from ever asking any remotely intelligent questions. and i, i'm getting sick to death on reading articles and the british press of them the daily telegraph about what's going on and ukraine, and been a russian dictate to kidnapping sounds. the children, you know, and then the, so essentially she read what was expected or could when journalist read other articles and they see those words in the 3rd paragraph, you know, you're working in a b, s of not b s or somebody also. oh, certainly it's really interesting to george right now. well, so when it comes to russia they, they never use the word alleged anymore. that the website just, i just assumed. okay, so there's no, according to of the report this assignments. no, no, it's just, it's a edit, establish fact ok for the source, the it as a, it's always a given as a, as a question on question. fact the rest of this roster blew up with dialogues. don't

civilian of the sides. um, but when they report a russian denial, then they say um, when you times was it was unable to independently from the russian play. and so there's always, you know, whatever the rest of the day, anything but we were not able to confirm this claim, but apparently the brain is going to complain whatever they want. and there's no need to verify anything. but it's, but those are they brought in this idea of uh whenever boot is, isn't it? they put in full sleep claimed. so it is likely the journalist just inserts his own opinion, full sleep claim because they were out, the light was full. so what, what, what do you, what are you basing this, what, what all the western media has in real time fact checking things in the back, checking as they're writing, rock about to, i guess, go to your mark and go ahead. what we other on is the lensky sense, when you leave here, those 2 words from the bbc or into the mainstream,

british press, you know, you know, your into the true much those are and where, but so really very little. we have enough to stick to, you know, why would you let facts done in the way of a good story? that's been the policy for so long now. you know, people don't know. they don't know the propaganda machine that's been created by the americans. a kid, they don't know that most of the stories that we're seeing completely fictitious and this, this has no effect to lead us checks the company. i've always said they have a white board and they just go from the next story. the next story is all planned in advance. gentleman, that's all the time we have one, i think my guess americans and in budapest i want to make our viewers for watching us here at our teach. the next time we member press that the known in vietnam, the american war,

the vietnam war lost its almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time between now and then you don't see it now. what is all on the empty hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i dont know that not, but american soldiers limited resistors, most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals and li bye. all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did and on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

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