the question, did you say even closer to the below in the welcome across stock? were all things are considered non funeral about as a cranes much over hyped counter offensive stalls. western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical pivot binding says poor his already lost the war. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative is a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is winning,

is untenable. the to discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we brought the door to samuel, it is a pod cast or at the capital, which we thought on youtube and levels. are gentlemen, costs up bills and effects, that means you can jump any time you want that i always appreciate it. all right, it's good, george in budapest it's, it's really remarkable watching the course of this conflict and how the west has changed its rhetorical focus like narrative of every everyone wants to support you . great, of course is going to win a because it has um the, the moral spirit, you know, the current job because of the premium selves are in society or responsible. so they provide an article. ukraine is already was the 1st few weeks ago. okay. and

then, you know, as long as it takes, okay, and now over the last guy would say 2 weeks. so, well, you know, the of the premium, so just follow up there on the borders that nato gave them in the training, you know, and then biding, says, well, the book is already lost. you know, the, they've already lost what so they're trying to book and just now say to me, whatever happens. i love people. it's not all false. george? yes. the question that's, that's always the american motif, the own. what are the ally, you know, who with whom i have the united states, the pictures is wagon always turns out. they're just not really worthy of american . the help and supposed to be, you know, we have that the south side of the me is where it goes to useless. you know, and then you know, we have the, the weight is a, in the, in the 1st gulf. well we use was they asked counties we used was everybody's always useless. and so there is the same. um, my, why are you great in? i think, well, it's a little bit much. i mean you have a photo of it. is anybody in about 70 is

a and you're telling us that when i'm fighting properly, you know what, you know, you get a bradley, bradley gun in the back back and fight alongside those. but it doesn't work as a well, we don't really want to do that. so yeah, i mean, the, the visible sorts of, uh, confusing messages that are coming out from uh, the administration. but there are also these confusing messages that are coming out about the some go to negotiations that are going on in the background. um no into the number of stores the stores and like nbc, um about these negotiations backs us officials talking to ty level uh, russians and then um, legally we, we now have another story about this. uh and the go see that i, i know buying it. i don't think this is and these are serious because ultimately the rule that is going on is good for the united states. united isn't losing

anything and, and there's the russians are dying, ukrainians are dying. i don't see any incentive to be honest. um, for the united states to uh, to bring it this doing in so doing the, the, the, the stories that are kind of wishful thinking. well this is what i would do a borrower, a rational person, which is true. but i don't think that that's necessarily how the, by the ministration is thinking. it's such an interesting way to phrase that because the ultimate goal is okay. maybe ukraine isn't going to win, but it can still keep fighting martin. i mean it's, it's an interesting thing here is that is what you know is the man the outcome will there be, will be in the go to that outcome, but some, a new thing too, that is making it into the narrative. but in the meantime, in the meantime, for us is not going to pursue any kind of negotiations or whatnot. just for the reason the george said, i mean, you know, it's been a lot of money, a lot of tax payer money. i mean, this is like a conflict against russia on the cheap martin guys of going to disagree with both

of you. i'm really, i'm really sorry. i think i think joe just wrong. i think there is an incentive to buy and 6 to to stop is will, i think he's starting to wake up to the realities that he called wrong in the end. this is his re election campaign i'm starting from next on may just called face voters, particularly blue complexes and have this the 9 the meetings. will it be up to me ever since? i say no, no, no, i'm here, but hang on here. i think it's pretty obvious, but the drum base may agree with that, but i think you would still agree this is very much a bi partisan endeavor. i mean, getting an inspector general. i mean, that was by far to sit in the senate. okay. no, we're not going to happen because the price of the buying doesn't want it. that was by part of it. okay. they keep going. but i say we're living in a, we're living in a scenario too. i don't know, realities we're living in a truman show kind of a movie says web i, you know, on the, on the face of it,

you have officials like could be others who us thing you know, um, in the most states, you know, when they knew tons of law suite, there was some back pedaling. there was some admissions, the doors not feeling very well, but then we should hang in there and we should push our reserves, though you claim is up to the front line, a disaster this tax exam bite in the same functions lost the war. how many people actually bull into that mean? i think what's going on on the power though to, to tackle george's assertion had only thing what's going on on a power level and secret is likely narrow towards going on. because i think the light and does want to get out of this. well, i really do think he does and i think, yeah, one of the things been troubling me about this. um this uh, this, this scenario of uh, the cleanings on it. i'm going to show us think about that. how does that happen? how do we get into that situation? the 1st place out of the best miniature brands and the pentagon in january of this year or december did not plan the scenario and say, hey guys, what's gonna run quite low and about may of june. should we not make preparations

for it now? i'm sure they did, i'm sure they contacted the button administration and they didn't get very clear on so from the buttons administration. but to tackle this, if you want, just supply the things with the munition even to the very easy you don't even need to use your own. american stokes are plenty of allies around the world there. play and stuff close around the world. yeah, it doesn't even need to be american where you could, i didn't buy chinese on sooner, isn't it? so don't, don't buy into this. the new kinds of run up. i'm gonna should. i think they will let, i think, i think they were allowed to fall into this pit because i really believe the board and walk down the role. and i really do believe in the leadership of the school come and take the okay. and it does the fact that they couldn't plan for this doesn't surprise me. i think they believe that the sanctions would have done the job. and then you know, and good story here with the kind of go and go back to george. but, but george, it doesn't really matter because it's, you know, ross has already lost the war. that's the new narrative. okay. so, i mean,

if we did everything we could do you just as you said, you know, its liskey and his people. i mean, we, you know, we, we know nothing about your claim without you paying, they're doing their own thing here. i think that you know, this going on the cheap here and then of course, blame the other and then they are really the europeans didn't step up. george, they just didn't do enough. okay. i think there's plenty of ways for them to rationalize, which is like the hunter bite and story if they got had that a agreement go to. they say it's spoken to. this is over no more investigations. we don't have it. they live in the pseudo reality. george, i think so i think the this provides them with an escape hatch that if things go wrong, then let's say what it was really the brand new and sold before the pool or they didn't take our advice. and again, they, they misuse the, the web and really we gave them, you know, a 5 to many shells and it was around a, i, a, i'm actually not buying into the story that they're running out of shows. i mean with this happens in every world, everywhere we hear about, oh sure, there's

a shortage of uh, i'll tell her it shows a show. did you mind me? they said this during the one that was a big, big issue and well well, what they were running out of um, uh, auto rate. what, what are we gonna do about this? so, um the, the question that is, is what's the incentive for the united states to, to bring this to an end? i'm not buying this thing about the, the us, the likes on the us selection is like, is a long way. oh, yeah, many ways. it's the domestic issues that the privilege there is more or less a consensus among most the candidates that, hey, this is a good rule and then we should keep it going with true about with trump. so i, you know, i don't think biden is worried about the election by the, is worried about getting into a direct shooting hole with roster. i think that's a different issue. so inviting said no, do nato membership with ukraine. i mean, he did it because a,

if you brain is joins nature where on the which but journey just reinforces that. this is the way, the but they, by ministration just by doing this. well, we're going to let them do all the fighting for us in, in, in the delta on the market. it says they get not having ukraine in nato and get, get, gets the knotted states again off the hook. ok, we're not responsible for that country security. ok. discrete, they have the best of all possible worlds here, which in the end means the destruction of ukraine. the very purpose of this policy was the policy for us, it not new brand mark. there's another theory which is being funded about which i comp claim credit for, which is another reason why i didn't refuse to let the grant. and so nature is to keep the as a bargaining chip. so when you finally do, when do funding negotiate with the russians? you've got something quite strong on your side, but to take george's point, i don't think it's exclusively. i don't think it's only the buttons is worried about elections and how you sell this. this massive, unprecedented amount of ministry spending in

a country that probably 99 percent of americans cult assigned to the map of the well, i think is more than that i think is getting increasingly worried about china. and i don't think you can handle china any try and both on the same plate with storm policy f ups, you know, that a bomb a used to was used to critics him with, you know, we should never forget that quote from, from above. mother, you know, never underestimate, binds ability to f things up. i think it's talking about foreign policy. so i think the with china threat with cheese, you know, sounding else um, delivering signals which are more robust and mobility codes every single day and basing on the drum and the tension building up over time. well, i think there is a, a need for the button administration to look for an office around and i think they're all to what's going on. i think i wouldn't be to supply the ice thing. but this is deliberate. i think since about december or january they were the things were deliberate, the allowed to run out of them initial to create this low because you call them negotiations with the russians when you also rent a 1000. 02000,

a $155.00 millimeter shows after you have to, you know, look for a natural pool, is a natural impact so low in the world. and i think that's from is the moment right now to do that. so i think we should, we shouldn't dismiss, all right, we're going to enjoy all bicycle. why would the russians in a meeting gauge in negotiations at all? any other than a back channel thing that we're not gonna use nukes, we could all agree. we're not going to do that, but other than that, what would the russians be interested in? go ahead martin. well, i think um, uh, the comments, but edward looked fuck recently. we're very interested in his theory. the, the great job, let's go, let us know that his theory is that the russian central bank go from the substitutes and look things over to go to the moment we go. inflation on the control, we've got inflation a so dream level that most europeans cannot even spent as low as about that account last river. so there's an economical aspect to this whole thing, which is the,

you know, the situation, but pollutants in which is quite comfortable is not something that you can, you can banks, you can bank on forever, that has to be a longer strategy. so there are incentives, the best thing for russia to look up, some of the issues that i saw, the same video you did. i found them seem to be utterly completely convincing. deal with you as well as a phrase the, the key is that the, the was possibly some sort of but general communication going on between buns and noticing that. we have to go to a hard break. we're going to talk about the, the back channel in the 2nd half of the program. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in. we're going to come right back to stay with our team the

there. so, you know, i mean there are things that black and white in nature for the western approach to any of the internal personal, personal interest. faith relationship is one of the black and white realities. there are many, many shades of schools with different colors, different states, and other chinese last, the approach to the issue is uh, you know, if we're the friends, if you all work together the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real live indians. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images present?

it is. but can you see through their illusions, going underground? can the a welcome back across software. all things are considered 9. peter little. this is a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real notes the let's go back to george in budapest. okay. george, let's look at it from the other side, you know, because usually i see these western elite so that there's always kind of this fantasy unicorn, west west, you know, is that, you know, and the zip. yeah. well, probably hispanic more there's, there's interest of instability in broad signal, which is like, i don't know where they get this information from and how they draw these conclusions. because, you know, you and i have been with martin, you know,

we work or 10 were avidly covering how people cover russia and it says so fantastically wrong most of the time is that nobody really pay much attention to it . but now let's get down to brass tax something important, this conflict in ukraine. i still to this point irrespective of the interest rate. okay. i don't see why russia has any incentive at all. everyone will have a couple of sites in the dumbass, you know, and brush will have to give up. it's a crime, need it. and it will have to accept when you have a form of nato membership. well, why would run rushing the initiated discomfort because it wasn't getting any of those things. why wouldn't change it's mine now? george? so i think exactly. now i seen the incense is the tool and in fact if there was to be a settlement now on the terms of which um, local act advocates and that interview referred to by nonsense. um, this'll be a complete failure for russia, because essentially, uh,

russian would have to be giving up things that it actually had prior to the style of the, of the, the several special milledgeville operations that goes down that have to agree to holding plebiscites. and you know, we know how the way these plebiscites work, i mean the, the, that it's always very questionable once made that gets involved in a plebiscite. so roughly what happens the giving up is gonna end up with less then it had the 18 months ago. so i don't see any reason, certainly built in conduct survive. so if we're talking about the bite and then the electron, i mean open conducts of i a such a, such a, a, a humiliation. but there is an agenda always with, with this kind of talk, and it's particularly with somebody like look like, look, track essentially, once a war is trying to, i mean the, you know, that, that stays obsession. i mean, he's always been an obsessive sort of fellow. and he's not his new obsession, is china. and what, how does the, how do we fight china? why? because why did using american boys, i mean, that's literally plan of any of the neo cons,

what we're going to use russia. and that's suite any agenda behind this as well as others. i mean, this guy, colby, was a ubiquitous presence on, on fox news. also china, china, china, on the plan here is alright, let's bring this thing into your brain. so, and, and then let's use russia. i gaze china, this is going to be all kind of father, again is trying to much as it was originally when the nato expansion, the idea behind it. and george cyrus explained that they were going to use the spirit bins as count on father against russia, and how we're going to use russia as gone father against china. while i am assuming russian understands that that's the plan. but in the woods and other things that go to but of course with martin, let me again with this kind of looking at western fantasies. okay. i mean there, there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of scenario can possibly play out. and a storage riley points up. why do you, why do you,

why would brush it give up anything that it doesn't have to give up? okay? it may. and in a, in plus, if you look at the long term, the impact of this war as having other than the data for people of ukraine and then the, all the soldiers that are dying is it in europe. it's, it's being the industrialized male considering everything that's been said and done . but since the end of the cold war fly would have russia throw anyone in the west, the lifeline. i mean, i, i just don't see it. i mean, there's so many things that have been said that can't be on said, and what about the sanctions and all of that? do you think the americans will ever track anything soon? oh, it's very well under any circumstances. so what is rush to get out of its own has gotten, is about a pack of lies and deceit. sorry, that's my opinion. go ahead or alright. well, if we're going to dismiss loops, comments about russian inflation and then there's not much left on the table in terms of what could be attracted to the gym policy, which is,

he's an international state. he does think, but he thinks of a well doesn't think of the region when he did an applicant of the last week was really interesting. but we didn't get too much attention from west of me to read a whole lot of that. a lot of did uh, a condescending commentary which was completely unfounded. okay. i, i thought i would get totally smooth. it's the inability to read the room. say they don't, can't read the room. i'm sorry about, go ahead. i think i think it does one piece. i think the other, the does, i don't think he wants to even envisage inviting them, that part of your credit. and he's, and so if you're not interested in the, in the eastern european. so if you get motor, which didn't work, just as the british colonial model, it didn't work. you know, people failed to understand or fail to acknowledge, you know, all right and history. why the present? but let's just because it couldn't afford to run anymore. it was like owning an expensive jagger a call that you couldn't afford to fill out, you know, i'm, i think the same argument applies to the end of the soviet union. and those countries, he doesn't love that. so relationship, that's a resentful this from your kind of people he's not interested in, in, in with

a baby, but i think he thinks of a bigger picture, you know, and um, to go back to bite and on buttons side there. there is the other issue about but what i think you would like to end the war and maybe concentrate on the china threat. not necessarily going to what would china, but the use of china is a mess. if deflection is because he a couple of emotions ever, that his son will be so stupid tablets, laptops should. he couldn't imagine the meetings he had in um, in care of in 2015, 2016 with the rest of the president discussing the money and the bribes. and i'm about an hour to get this ukrainian energy company. um, uh, you know, teamed up with an american bonnet so they could have like ago i'll buttons, vice president, courage. i have the chief prosecutor in ukraine kicked out, which he did. it could've imagined any of this coming out. and you know, and it's extremely how it's just continuing, you know, just this week,

it's now being sanitized. now, way to kind of being a western media is kind of shrugged his shoulders and say ok, all right, we'll go to the report. we believe the sol, so strong and there was study discussions about the $5000000.00 brian to each of them. we haven't got a smoking gun. we haven't got the receipts from the bank because martin don't you think it's, it's kind of interesting. it's actually in the you bring that up because, um, you know, the, because of this growing scandal here, the, by the administration decide what works is already lost of all, or, you know, what's the page move on? ok, that's what they're doing. it's trying to, you know, this is a success. we are, our policy has succeeded disney, right? nobody has it but testicle to, to say it out loud, but that's what they're trying to convince people to, to a joseph george made these, which it's, it's interesting is a way they want this, but they still continue to think that they can bleed russia. we have to remember everyone. victoria nolan was temporarily promoted. ok, i mean in

a space that is looking for an offer. is that the right person to go to george? well, that's an excellent point to be the executive. that's why i'm not buying the story of the, the, the, the back channel negotiations because this is the person that was not only the most a logical in the state about the machine has been the driving force. only obama, by the policy toward ukraine, obviously was a central figure. it was never blinked. and i mean, it was good. so to make the act, the deputy secretary of state, that is a signal that there isn't going to be any change g as in go to a preside over any change or a policy s o biden's domestic problems. well, you know what, what do leaders do when they have major domestic problems? they saw the escalate was escalate complex. as of there nobody's talking about the button when, when we've got something bigger to talk about. but we had

a whether you frame maybe even from the syria. there's the downside of that. is it being for, did you, craig, in china, if the huts were biden's domestic problems, the unfortunately were rapidly running out of time. but i want to bring up something that i thought was interesting, is it responsible state craft likes just um sell themselves as i thought above, i would say, and i'm not going to mention the author's name because it's not really important to my point. but in one of their articles the last few days, it's very him, he says like every one, once you praying to win and rush it to lose this token that come from a think tank. you know that when c instead. yeah, i thought they were a lot of smart people. i want you crazy with aflac part of everyone. what kind of arrogance is that more? it's unfortunate as the subs poignant reminds of the times that we're living and it is a detachment from the inside democratic process of western countries. we don't care

anymore about what our citizens think. we barely even consider their views even once every 4 or 5 years. but the elections and the situation that we have in person with the labor and conservative while you're having america, we, republicans and democrats, you know, people are finally beginning to wake up. it doesn't matter which party you work for anymore. you know, it's all part of the corrupt religious system. and their main purpose is to fold keep themselves in positions, getting this open jobs. and secondly, computers and disrupt the public away from ever asking any remotely intelligent questions. and i, i'm getting sick to death. i'm reading articles and the british press of them the daily telegraph about what's going on and ukraine, and the russian dictate to kidnapping sounds, the children you know, and then the so essential to read what was expected or could when general is read. other articles may see those words in the 3rd paragraph. you know, you're working in a b, s of not b s or somebody also also,

it's really interesting to george right now. well, when it comes to russia, they never use the word alleged anymore. the website just i just assumed, okay, so this of, according to of the report this assignments? no, no, it's just, it's a, it's, it established fact ok for the source. the, it's always given as a, as a question on question fact, the rest of the structure blew up by dialing some civilian of the sides. um, but when they report a russian denial, then they say um, when you of times it was, it was unable to independently from the russian play. and so there's always, you know, whatever the rest of the day, anything when we were not able to confirm this claim, but apparently that your brain is going to complain whatever they want. but let's know, need to verify anything. it's but those are then brought in this idea of, of whenever boot is, isn't it?

they put in full sleep claimed. so it is likely the job is just the inserts his own opinion, full sleep claim because they were abby and i was full. so what, what, what do you, what are you basing this on what all the western media has in real time, fact checking of the, the back, checking as they're writing right? about to go to you and martin, go ahead. what we other wrong is the lensky sense, when you leave here, those 2 words from the bbc or any of the mainstream, british brothers, you know, you know, your into the truman shows are and where. but so really very little. we have enough to stick to, you know, why would you let facts done in the way of a good story? that's been the policy for several now. you know, people don't know. they don't know the propaganda machine that's been created by the americans. a kid, they don't know that most of the story is the same, completely fictitious, and this, this has no effect to mislead those checks the company. i've always said they have a white board and they just go from the next story. the next story is all planned

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