messy on them and we tried to reach out to him not as leadership, but it became clear that we would need to get some response. last december, him, us threatened to bury the deal. if he's real doesn't speed it up. and experts close to the middleton, the group explained to us possible reasons of this deadlock unless these really government is injuring this deal with various maneuvering, trying to avoid repeating that your lot should lead deal that would see them release prisoners. there is no international movement. the pressure is real into implementing an exchange deal. some sources they told r t that how much is interested in a car in stalemate? the bodies of israeli citizens can be used as a bargain shape with israel. and wild type of war continues the end of golding families suffering is nowhere inside. this is the grave of how that of golding in his hometown cemetery. the grave is here, but the body's not and nobody knows when or if it will be returned home for a proper burial reef nationality resulting from israel and gaza. that's

her up for now, but coming up africa most afraid directly with africa and not view the you. that's the message from the head of the institute for african studies after russian academy of sciences in an exclusive interview with our team that don't go far the

the, as soon as i live, and especially before my girl, mister brown, the line, thank you very much for your time, well, we can state now the 2nd trasha off because time it has taken place regardless of what the western media try to write about that. what do you see around us today? those the 1st best place from what there was to in that 1st saw me for years ago in 2019. what has changed things that you have the most there's menial system. but i think the very approach has changed during the for summit. our goal was to declare that russia is returning to africa. we were making a statement today. so there was a session when a speaker said that in russian, the verb to do has 2 aspects, perspective and in protective name perspective. aspect means to be doing walter

effective means to finish doing something to arrive at a certain result. so i think as the summit we arrived at great results because we were speaking very specifically very consistently. we realized that the african market is usually promising for us. i mean, we really came to understand that on all levels, not just on the level of flex worked with africa, could be an opportunity. but because we need it, we need it because many other markets that we use to look at are now closed for us . willingly or not, we had to set our sights on all their marcus, including the african awareness. well, we have worked with china for quite a while and the market has grown by 2 or 2.5 times. now the african market still remains a place that we need to expand. we are willing to do that. and what's important, we realize that we should cooperate with africa, not only through trade,

but through helping build africa's future on the base of its goals. and those goals are, 1st of all, industrial development and energy development, followed by improvement of education and scientific cooperation. this is the same range of opportunities that russia can open up for africa because those are rushes trunk to it as a most for example, we had this science session today. i've just come back from it. so when they were planning it, our scientists would ask this, what are we going to talk about with the africans? so one of the speakers was me, hired conference room and head of the co shutoff institute, where the automatic bomb was created. maybe it is thanks to that bomb we are still alive because me higher compared to would say had it not been for the bomb. the whole world would have long bean and americans call in a so called like chip noted. and his address that the 1st textbook of x rays, he had read as a student, was published in 1939 by

a south african scientist. the votes africans and us have similar approaches to science. we both talk about scientific and technological sovereignty. they ask, why should we just adopt others technologies? we need to develop our own and rely on our century long experience and with the interest of our countries in mind. instead of doing something that somebody else's needs, that is fine as through grants and serves to advance someone else's agenda because one of the sessions devoted to the environmental agenda, a young woman from an african country was speaking. and i had the impression that she had been completely trained and school to in this western approach. she spoke a lot about the green agenda about the importance of advance in it and about how many issues are important to africa. however, other than these 3 points, she said nothing else, no word was said about how to combine those problems. what has to be changed?

who is responsible for the climate situation that we find ourselves in and why countries the didn't contribute so much to the pollution of the environment like africa, for example. now for some reason have to pay for the mistakes of others. you know, if i could have recorded a video of her, it would have been an example of how young people are trained now in the west. besides, i speak certain african languages. so i addressed that young woman in her country's native language. but she immediately switched to english. it goes to show that ross, i cannot afford to miss its oppertunity. if we stop our efforts in active cooperation with africa, we are going to boost africa because the west has lots of programs to brainwash africa's youth. and they are willing and paid well to do that. what's important though is that there was very few people like that girl here. most of our form guess from africa, know very well what they want from restaurant. it's one thing. second,

they realize that we are in the same boat. we both want to get rid of the legacy of you calling elizabeth, which hasn't gone anywhere more over. it's taking new forms, one of the worst of which is the intellectual, any information space. it applies also to the field of mass media or west through media outlets dominate. it applies to the intellectual spirit as well when both education and science are designed to serve the interests of the west. we have a common understanding of our goals and a common desire to resist pressure. africans showed that very vividly during the summit was there can be a lot to talk about on this. and there has been coverage in the media that was the 1st time it had 44 presidents. only 17 presidents showed up this year. well, let's not pride about the number of presidents in attendance. let's look at the real results. especially considering that a total of $29.00 delegations came to rush off from africa, which is

a very good number. which incredible said sort of those funds to some of them. and you mentioned the same boat that we are rain. i think there is yet to not the us back to where we share the same boat. that is values, the values that are being enforced now will be a moral once touching up on things like family tender and old base. we see a resistance on the part of african countries against the enforcement of those values d. c. we have these commonality between russia and africa countries in this aspect as well. because when we give them up through modeling pieces, certainly i will share a little secret with you when we're preparing for the lenary session with talked with the president of our country. well, i didn't put him here. arrived before the session began and talked to the participants of the plenary session, ask them short questions. and during that conversation, brazil's ex husband and duma recept said that people needed to build the walls to

which our president responded is that's the most important thing is well, the main goal of what we are trying to do. she said, of course not. but we need to reach a certain level and that is true. the west is focused on over consumption. and that doesn't make any sense. who needs all that? 10 iphones or 20 pairs of shoes will not make you happy, or eating hamburgers all day will not make you happier. but that is the model. they offer consumers and the devoid of any spiritual dimension people are taught to consume and not give back. in session attitude is spreading globally. here it is imposed on the african countries present to this some example that everyone should follow and aspire to it. it's not even the scariest part of the scariest part is the tag on human nature itself that we see happening in the west. some old is gender diversity, transgender persons and everything. this agenda brings about it will get us to the

point where instead of leaving beans, we will have semi engineers, bio robots who might be beautiful in the outside capable of satisfying their desires. but they will not be able to reproduce the child we called sept. and promotion, same sex relationships will lead humanity to instead, and we will become, make something. do you understand that? and we will die spiritually before we die. physically who needs a world without spiritual values. africa understands this well. and african countries react to so called democratic values in no uncertain terms. the president of you've gone the, you already know said benny, who is wildly respected in africa, was very clear when he talked about the issue that he's not the only one africans are aware of the importance of spiritual religious values and the into religious dialogues. that patriarch carol of moscow talked about the majority of africans of

christians. but there are a lot of muslims to do. you understand the importance of such dialogues. they know that as humans we must grow spiritually, intellectually and culturally africa's culture is very rich and there are thousands of ethnic was there. there are similarities and differences and it is important to value every human being every ethnic or cultural groups. and i think that during the score, and we've demonstrated that russia and africa shared this approach with who is that you mentioned the preparation of the plan, the recession that you moderate with the russian president for some mom, the participants. can you tell us more about that? how did you feel moderate in the conversation? what impressed you the most? did you hear any ideas that you thought for a very important know garden, your symbol? i by saturday it was a great responsibility. of course, i wouldn't say there was fear because this was the 2nd time for me. i also

moderated session at the 1st week the nomic 4 in the format was a bit different. back then present inputs in and egypt president had boost that's at his cc came to the stage from the audience. i delivered their addresses and went back to the seats. where as this time we were all on the stage the whole time and discuss the issues that concern russia and ask because the most unfortunately, due to time limitations, people couldn't ask questions as the moderator i was task. we've given a brief introduction for each speaker, and then i had to summarize their main talking point. trust me. this wasn't easy. despite being a member of the russian academic of sciences, a well educated person with extensive public speaking experience, i still felt the pressure. what impressed me the most is the people that were present in the room. 2 participants were hired to be there. our present in as the head of the some is host country. and as i need us to mommy,

president of the common rooms and the current chair, person of the african union. but i was surprised to see some other permanent figures there. our patriarch, for example, he came to the plenary session because the form didn't just focus on economic issues. it was also a humanitarian event. and patriarch to real was there to contribute to the humanitarian agend. talk about spiritual values and the future of humanity. do my recept presence was a surprise reveal doesn't seem to have anything to do with africa. but going back to our conversation before the pondering, she mentioned along with another panel listening to benefit or ahmad, that some brazilian regions as try can be close to africa. their dance and music styles, their approach to life and even the color of their skin are very similar. in essence, brazil is a country with very strong historical and cultural ties to africa as for benefits or amok, his participation was quite expected. he was also present at the plenary of the

previous forum, held insult she in 2019. this time he was invited as well. the 1st russia has a big share in africa in that 25 percent. if i'm not mistaken, is this a 2nd making our cooperation work financially? is one of the most pressing issues on the agenda? how will we add africans making payments to each other? yesterday i moderated a session on fertilizer exports organized by you are awesome and we have the head of x i or nick it that we saw on the panel. he said there are 3 main ways for us to solve the problem. first, we will likely have to adopt the one in the short term. if we want to avoid using the dollar. it's not ideal for rochelle, but it makes sense in short term. the 2nd stage will be trying to use national currencies. but in order to do that, we need to balance our imports and exports to end from africa. currently

rationalize exports in 5 times more than it is important. our companies may sell goods for local currencies, but how will they spend that money? the 3rd option was the most interesting, and naturally it was welcomed by the african countries. we would invest our profits from selling our goes into the development of local industry. after local industries developed, we can get dividends this way is very interesting. the applicants applauded, they said it's just what they need, but it's a long term strategy. it does not produce immediate results. you must wait 5 or 10 years, but it's relevant in view of all that was discussed with the planetary and the speech of our president and covered every aspect of our cooperation. you may have noticed that you also dedicated a substantial part of the speech to the human to terry and ask that including the development of education and youth. because africa has so many you,

60 percent of africans are younger than 25 the present and also announcing please quotas. you mentioned that our cooperation should be based on technology equal partnership. for me was the most pleasing thing to hear. and i've been saying this for long, you just need to find something for yourself in this african in denver. and the session we held fundamental science, the cornerstone of technological sovereignty, was a confirmation of that was really, really happy. the african expects us to provide technologies later, but they said that they need taken a logical independence just as we do. because ross side is also technologically dependent. and the west is also offering technologies to us. i think it was the minister of education of molly, who said that we should work for our selves. instead of working for the west. we must be the side, which means to study, to read our own research, instead of copying the west. but what we're being offered is to copy this copy in

this universal is and there's no rush on or off because with their diverse and unique multinational cultures what they upset when they talk to representatives of african countries. many of them mention this term cooperation that existed in the soviet times and see the trash of them became self absorbed for several decades. and now has finally turned back to africa. now we're seeing increasing focus on the continent. do you think russia is doing enough? what else can we do to intensify the corporation? i know with which i'm gonna give it cross with many of the africans. i talked to ask me, how can we be sure that russell is not abandoned? us will not leave us high and dry. like you did when you with this are fell apart. i assure done that we won't do that though. we have really needed to deal with the problems at home. but the, our self absorption was a mistake, because our domestic problems are very much connected to our foreign policy. and

the african strategy should be integrated with our countries development interest. china has always done this. it's really important that we learn from china in this regard. what can be done to intensify this partnership? i'm the 1st and infrastructure a partnership needs to be created and it should be based on partnership between the public and private sectors. we won't companies to work on the african continent in the state to provide the necessary conditions. but it shouldn't only be for $3520.00 or 30 big companies. what perfectly capable of working in africa as is, we need to support regional enterprises. small and medium sized businesses, and we need them to build ties with their african partners through their cooperation. so that's one thing that way, the infrastructure that it's easy to understand the 2nd we need to build financing mechanism. so how will the projects be financed? who will do it?

this needs to be decided. will it be the state and business? only business or only the state? i think all 3 are possible. 3rd, we need to decide about payment. many africans, including benedicts ramos said, look, we're ready to trade in roubles, but where do we get the rules? who will make them available physically? both the ministry of finance and the central bank are very concerned about this. so we need to address this. in other words, there's a whole range of issues to be addressed, but at least we understand what we were talking about. talking about trade, we need to stop trading with africans to european intermediaries. i'm serious, despite all the sanctions, many tropical farming products are still purchased in this round about way a triple cost, just because it's convenient for us to do it through your partners. if we want to end this situation and we need to build our own international cargo insurance and re insurance system and build our own logistics,

some companies have ready to do that. the far eastern shipping company headed by andre, so that he loved please an interesting person by the way, is ready to do it. yeah. or we did launching their own lines to egypt and morocco and they're willing to work in west and east africa as well. so so, so if we establish a clear making isn't defined the tools, make the decision and commit to it. i believe our cooperation will double or even triple in the coming years. and the 40, per se, would extend to new colonial policies or the last try for these partnership, which is colon perhaps lower than we on the african countries would like. but it's there, you know, colonialism is a multi layer concept. it includes the ongoing attempts to impose democracy upon african countries, which are opposed street because it's contrary to the nature and the romania, the money of his patients. so how much do you think these attempts these various,

many of his patients, including the efforts to therapy to the saw meet, propelled the intensification of russia, africa relations. the sentence to on the one hand are destructive, but on the other hand, they drive forward. these partnership, ironically, that is if you are absolutely right, the sanctions laughed by the west on us to bolster our relations with all the regions of the world. technically because the countries we use to interact with are no longer available. this is number one. they also help in terms of ideological motivation. the africans who have faced the rows of claudio is, and neo colonial policies, know well, well, what they are dealing with that is unlike some of our closest neighbors, were brain washed and are told that russia is a colonial power. that who has never really experienced colonial rule in their history. on the contrary, russia always invested much more in them than it did in itself. they had far higher live in sanders lots of yeah. is sonya and may 20. i have always had the highest

standard of living. we all know that the applicants have 1st hand experience of colonialism. they bore the brunt of it, including the variable situation in the democratic republic of the congo country that was treated by king leopold the 2nd of belgium. as his private property, the candle, these people were taken to brussels and displayed in the sioux. and in the congo, europeans use the african bodies to try robber. they smeared the robbers that over them, and once it dried, tore it off with their skin and pages, the wound blah, was murdered there. and you know, this act of returning his gold crowned tooth. i don't know. it's out of all proportion. and africans realized, is that some human, completely in here me, they realized that when the west sells them to keep away from russia shaking and fish that them, that's neo colonial is in the african say to that that they want to pick their

partners on their own because they are silver and countries and will partner with whoever they want. so the west is getting a backlash from africa. they all these see over did the pressure is a chest look to date everyone's task that the world has changed. and advocates changing to the frequent countries a very diverse they differ significantly from one another. and yet the united, the community that's willing to be a player in the world in the world order, is that it's going your son, you presume? good. now just they want to play and meaningful part of course, and most importantly to do it in independence over in way. they know full well the african significance is growing. they say themselves, the advocate will be home to almost the 3rd of the world's population quite soon. this means that the flow of goods, all production chains, will be redirected to that region to a considerable extent after the currently has the fastest growing middle class.

it's faster than asia, even china. so you could say that africa is like a tiger boys to leap forward the same as china in the early 19 ninety's. and it's clear, the africa's role in the global economy is going to increase the for the an agency to fully formed. it needs to be supported, not by the west, which can only provide state assistance, but by the countries that are really prepared to live africa. partner with whoever it wishes to. i've always said that equals silver and states should interact on an equal basis. partnership with such countries is a 2 way street. if we want to work with africa, we need to understand what it means, what we, our selves need and look for the most beneficial areas for cooperation reports. and it's in the permanent representative of prussia do they do. and that, that western 8 to africa is a hit ball chrissy. the west overlooks crisis their antics townsley to help test

for the sake of publicity. and what kind of help can russia offered to make a difference and better meet the needs of that pick on listening to someone who loved me put in. so don't somebody pick this? well, we are following the principle of giving efficient road instead of fish. yes, we are taking part in all programs to the one world food program. we have supplies, fertilizers, making 2 shipments to kenya and want to malawi, absolutely free. and we had to overcome a lot of barriers. we are ready to supply 300000 tons and move that is welcomed by the african countries. we are providing food 8, president to and has said that this $1000000.00 tons of we even less that ukraine had supplied to africa. and now, after the green deal was canceled, it won't be able to deliver more, but we're really to give it for free. over the last 8 months since the beginning of the special military operation,

we have supplied africa with $22000000.00 tons of $22.00 times more than ukraine has done. this is what i want to stress. the west hypocritically says that russia has not delivered. now russia is orchestrating simon that compel 1000000 and 20 to millions. most importantly, we are not just donating, we can provide humanitarian helps, for instance, assist in training and national workforce today. a lot has been said not only about higher education, but about vocational training too. by the way, this question was overlooked here in russia as well. remember, we used to have these vocational schools. now they are replaced with some colleges, but they are less efficient back to our health, it should be practical and not sure we, once i did a study on german a, it turned out that every 4 out of 5 go to marks were paid to drum specialists, involved in the project, the people who dealt with that 8 and decided when he should go. it means that only one in 5 judge marks or 20 percent was real health. we are doing things differently

. we possibly came up with, let me ask you one last question here on the sidelines of the forum, i talked to woman from sending goals, who could move to st. petersburg alone and go to my surprise, she started telling me how much and come on we russians house with this single lease. you talk to a lot of people from africa. is there any thing common between russians and africans? is, is a full yes. yes. of course. there is, i agree, african say that russian mentality is closer to them than that of china, for example, or europe. africans are not over organized. they can get things done informally. you know, they once told me that both russians and africans can settle matters by unwritten rules. it's funny, but it's true then russians are open hearted and kind, you know, russian people how we rushed to help our friends and can put everything on hold for

their sake and africans. i'd say we have a rich, it's true that we value and we also take interest in other cultures. we are interested in other people to not just our selves. there is individual is and as opposed to collectivism, i believe we have a collectivist mind and africa is collect to this historically collective economy. the communal farming model is that both africa and ross i used to have, has defined our geno type. we need to be part of the community. part of it seem to be open towards others, and africans are like that to thank you so much. it was very exciting to talk to you the what are you crazy? yes. or took a lot less of my friends that did

i was broken save 81. i get nothing that i that was in 2013 which really it in my way to make me start talking to willy waiting for. i mean, the haven't i'm happy that trying to find is really good to you turn the sleep mom. i become my new friend, the one who has loved going to die or because he is always stay alive. thursday next to me. the

if i'm not crazy enough, i'm not going to make it the the russian capital once again comes under a ukrainian drone has had hitting the same building in moscow city international business center, which was struck 2 days ago. as the ukranian president claims western support for key ups, war efforts are never enough. the us senate blocks and investigation into how ukraine is actually spending billions of dollars of american taxpayer money. and molly and burkina faso announced any intervention against me years new leadership amounts to a declaration of war that says the economics community of west african states impose the sanctions against the country. the.