broadcast or at the goggles which can be found on youtube and logos, or a gentleman, cost offerings on the best. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated or like start out with georgia in budapest. um the, the genesis of this program is an article that george sent me a info into go title that comes in big political trouble, but he still is a nightmare for europe, which, you know, i thank you, george. it was a interesting reading. i suppose the title lead itself kind of makes you want to think of the binary. so you're isn't in a nightmare writing style. the, i mean, i, it's, i guess, but it's really astounding. okay. um the would be the specter of the stroke of trump is haunting it, the year of but one could make an argument that europe was much better off 100 trump than by george. there you're absolutely right. and the, your response was exactly the same as mine, and that's um, the europeans think that that was

a bad time. then did the trump the is when essentially trump was saying, you know, we want to kind of bring this alliance still kind of slow and, and so you can start thinking about your own security needs and we'll think about our, our own security needs. and this should have been a great opportunity for your family, you know, finally, to bring to an end, essentially dysfunctional relationship. 1945 was a long time ago. the long time ago i didn't see you know what my chrome same as they said, i think 20172018 major was brand that the europeans who had before and used to talk about the european security and defense identity. you know, we have to do with things for ourselves and others of relying on washington. there's only been a great opportunity for them to just go ahead and uh, you can use trump as an opportunity to, you know, re things as secure as you need. but now, according to political, there are no absolute really,

that's the trouble this coming back and trumpets coming back to me. we're gonna have to, you know, rethink what we're doing. oh no, we just want to go on doing what the americans tell us to the we, you know, we want the want of finding a new great, and we want to go on a sanctioning russia. we want to go on, you know, eat into the, creating the possibility of a nuclear conflict. is this the regard as being the do like a state of affairs that trump is written as long as i say something like a bite and is the most trials atlantis as president just george w bush as a what kind of a delusional world or the living in the i think that's why i said it might have deduction. this is like stockholm syndrome. i mean, if you, you know, your, your worship your oppressor. okay? cuz that's what it sounds like. you're gonna learn. it's really interesting in the article that obviously it's political, okay. it's, it's a, um, a, uh, an oregon propaganda, oregon of nato and of the western alliance. i mean, it, it,

1st and foremost the, it's no surprise it political always breaks. the story is ok because they're just as denado for, for brussels. but what's interesting in the article to me anyway, and you as a journalist, there are, there's no public opinion polls. there's no, you know, average mr. and mrs. europe in there. it's just all political functionaries, think tankers and all of that. mean, you don't get a, you know, there's no gauging of public opinion, but of course they don't care about public opinion or you don't care about democracy. they don't care how the populace feels, how this conflict in your brain is affecting their bottom line on a daily basis. it's always a leap driven bar. you know, and the, the, the article could have had a foot note to say. and one of the reasons why we're in this mess style is because we tend to report only on your leads. and i mean, i only have view points based on the leads on both sides. it allows you to use the expression style comes and you're also taking up,

ask them that. i'm still going to sing them, doesn't mean that the person, the hostage themselves actually pays cash to the terrorist. you're picking up the bus. what do you have? and you're actually buying, it's not just that we are we are, we are held hostage to american. stockholm syndrome dilutes. okay, every day. okay. you bring it to the bottom. okay. yeah. the, i think the important part did read the article on it. it was very much about how you're paying it leads think, and they should be worried about the words nightmare came up. but um you should be worried that a you particularly should be worried. you know, 1st i'm really kind of shock with trump. you know, um he really did upset a lot of people with his with this, but it goes clumsy style and we have to acclimatize also to this guy who was not a political figure. he wasn't very smooth, it was a very eloquent. he was literally the bone in the china shop, but now we're ready with our best. we know what we get, you know, i think from will be thinking the same thing, but this time, well, we should,

we should never forget. just never forget the, the well the trunk will, will, will when find themselves in as president if he wins in 2024 is a very, very different world to the one that he started in in january 2017, those as president the 1st time around, you know, this new will know that will mean the east, but one of the better expressions on the east and it's almost a much, much stronger now. so he'll be looking at russia, it's stronger. china, india, stronger. he'll be looking at something that he probably doesn't really even understand the brakes, you know, which one have at least 5 new members this year. let's rel, i'm off of the top of my head. sorry, ravia egypt, iran, argentina, and turkey was fine. we'll probably join this. yeah, that's just this. yeah. you know, in the eruption maybe another 5. so that's, that's a very much different situation that he will be and he'll be looking at,

but i think he will, you will be looking for new partners and you are a pay size is full year run before he knows more or less the latter loud, he would be looking at fiscal leads, i think you'll be, you'll be looking at people like roger foundry person, and he will probably single outs, and i'm hungry as he's new partners to the rates and bashed in your opinion. and i may, so every given option to the cab, they'll be kicked back to that from the french and germans macro. but you could, you could also make the argument. george is that it trump just hope care, rick. okay, sorry. say this because other things to do. ok, you know, we've been babysitting, you know, for almost a decades we've had enough, we've got other things to, to, to, to contend with. and it gets down to global trade, the competitive advantage. i mean, in the no president trump talked about it, he wasn't able to finish his mission, but you know, you and i've talked about for about this for years that the us as to re tool in,

in amanda, it's manufacturing. if it's going to be relevant at all, okay? because right now the west has a gemini because of what the financial system and controlling trade. but once breaks, as barton is brought up, you know, it's only a matter of time. they uh, when they will come up with their own currency and then the dollar, the less likely portal to go ahead george. exactly right. and uh, yeah, if you take it back to the 2016 trying to figure it out, but need to really figure this out many years before when he was 1st thinking of running in the, in the year 2000. that russia is not america's problem. the dear, you know, then reveal russia. sure. b, america's ally in the end of the game. i didn't do it. he wasn't above of atlantis . just establishment. even care about nature. so you don't always believe russia is potentially upon the united states. you always believe china, china is the big threat. boba's this bill here so that so he views the

green warriors ascetic solicit, able to say what he thinks that this is an absolute catastrophe in that it's printing united states against russia, which should be an ally of the united states. and when he comes back, he will 1st of all have a lot of resentment towards the europeans because he seen that the europeans are obviously much more a favorably inclined towards the by them than the democrats, than they ever were. toward him. he will have a lot of resentment over the british because, you know, he knows all about 1st of all, stealing everything that they were doing and the election. and i know, and he knows he has a lot of, you know, he's going to be facing this documents date, probably tomorrow, logo. but he knows of what the british have. okay. would he bring to release it? okay. and it was the, again, the president united states he was stopped by his own underline. it's exactly right, that's, that's what happened during his 1st done that they, all the british go to. those will be in the,

in the actually damage of special relationship. you can possibly release this information. he will remember all of that. and back in his 1st um, he tried to make a, make nice with the establishment. you know, they, europe and establishment, the american establishment. hey i, you know, i'm not really a big threat to you. he hide all those people, the pump bills and a mattress and the rest of them. he hasn't really a name jerome. cool. yeah, i didn't want me to lay these on. going to do it. this time and, and, and i think you, you the, your bins of work, and i thought of us mazda of this for 2 years, or really small. i think we seen the back of trump and i they are realizing now he's coming back and he's going to be leading. i mean a enough seo then. he was last time around the george was it's thank us that back. i mean it's, we've, it's neither here nor there. he's going to come back. now going to talking about perceptions here. but martin, you're absolutely live a lot is really changed. and 1st of all, i don't think trump is going to have much patient for the europeans, that he has a very different agenda. i like immigration, for example,

china from trade or overall. and, you know, the, the way the buying administration is helped degrade european industrial base, particularly germany. i mean, it's just not, it's just not going to be worth is his time. and i think going forward that's going to happen. the respective of who's in the white house go ahead mark. he may, will take a step back even further from, from policy. i'm a real think that this is just a rather silly way of wasting a lot of time. i'm. you should be focusing much more on the heart of the republican policies and particularly the mac, a obsessions, you know, which keeps coming up. you know, it'll be into work that will be big of it. immigration, and american taking a bigger slice of global trade by hook or by crook they were to get these will be the main focus is i think, i mean, the relationship between the democrats and the on the european union has always

been, you know, the perception is we can get along a little bit better with the democrats because they tend to stick to previously agreements. and they're not particularly precious that quite boring and predictable . whereas republicans, they're easy to get along with and talk to, but some we call a project wherever they'll go. and i think this will probably the super become through with trump. you know that what you just want to know, what is next step will be, but i think the idea of the european union and, and your country should start preparing now. let's just start thinking about now, how do we cope with um, from 2 point oh, you know, um with what i've just said about the background of the new world order and how will lead react? he will try and develop road unit. i'm show a book, you know, and i think the kick back from the french, particularly for my car, will be to push even hard to with this new idea of taking away the degree type of hosting system to go to majority voting. some of the countries like among great to

no longer and stop us progressing is what's incumbent as you know, we stop disciplining you can, will you want to come out of ukraine? the, i'd say it will be very well. i mean, it is very and so we have to get to go to a break here. but it's very interesting is that the how trump will be able to use this and within the european union and further american in just general, i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on so we'll need to stay with our to the, [000:00:00;00]

the release of come to the russian states. never as, as tight as i'm one of the most on screen, the best most i'll send send up the in the 6595 and speed. what else calls question about this? even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians coding and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for the question, did you say even twist,

which is the, the 12 and that the cross stuff were all things are considered. i'm beautiful. a bell. this is the cross top bull horns addition. the all right, let's go back to george storage area talking about what's changed um, oh uh, since uh, january, 2017, to the present. one thing that it seems quite irreversible. and they, and the democrats and their, their colleagues in the european union have succeeded in creating a huge wedge and irreversible wedge, dividing the united states from russia and invest because of the stockholm syndrome europe, from russia. that is the biggest single change i just was never to even it from makes it back to the white house too much has happened. there's not gonna be any kind of reconciliation the best we could probably help or is a very,

very cold and ugly cold war george? well, i think that's a very likely i'm on the other hand, you're something to think about, especially that um chrome. um, if he actually does make moves towards bringing this down thing to an end up role, that's what he's promised that's, that's it. you know, he's been the one the collection promised that he continues to repeat. i will end this in 24 hours. so he's gonna have to do something to make that happen. so now once he does that, we know that the, the political security establishment in the united states will go into high gear. so try to stop him. and uh, and when people say, you know, beecher and the, they will impeach him. and then he will also go to the european political establishment, which is also that will be in panic mode that they and also, you know, see whatever they, they can do in order to stop in. and there are indications of left in the political

all to go that they were ready some kinds of collusion between european politicians and the political stage as on the hill to make sure that somehow trunk cannot do anything drastic like withdrawal from nato or withdrawal assistance from ukraine's so right away, we're just setting up a political crisis almost from the beginning. i mean that this, this is going to be the, the, the huge issue. and then again, you know, it's for its own picture. i mean, he will probably survive and then he'll go against the europe again. but his problem in europe is that he doesn't have too many allies at the moment, the, obviously, as vicar or button was explicit, they come out to him in favor of him. for roger is obviously a trump in book. so obviously a way for us goes, i mean, he's not, you know, he's not standing it. that's as far as we can say in the next election. so not like that's what changed. i mean them that might be, you know, waiver us who will go withdrawn problem. uh, you know,

he says he's the but he's the election when a so we're going to go with him. but at the moment he will have a recalcitrant your ups. but that might not displease it means i the yeah, i don't, i don't need these bogus. i, i think, you know, you know, particularly, i mean, depending on how the situation in ukraine involves, i mean a trump presidency, you'll just do this, we wipe our hands. okay. i mean, of course, that will still lead to some form of impeachment, but i mean, it will put your on notice is that if you want to resolve your security problems on your account, then you better take care of it. okay? and i think that that will shift a lot of people, but what it will do is it will create a huge crate. okay, chaos inside of nature, what so many b, but maybe from blog post that with me, i remember top fluids being charged up to date. either. trump is completely ignorant of what the lights is about and it seems to be always playing 5

dimensional chess. i think you remember those conversations go ahead looking. yeah, i think i think you're absolutely right. you've mailed it, but i think the deposit is probably coming from night to itself. it's probably coming from mistakes of next to, you know, i'm wondering what we're going to do. if he goes ahead with any of these ideas to be asked. if you look back in the newspaper, i'll try to remember the 1st time he came to europe, the infamous a in nature summit, where he pushed a couple of the world leaders aside to very quickly get in front of the crowd. so that folks, i mentioned that original to the door and finally correct. the montenegro i think is uh it. okay. but um the point is, is, is that i think that this some refinancing, it will be something we bouncing in this new world world or between america and you have, and i think it's trump may not have to go that far and cancel. do you kind well he may well just sit beside the are bins, we spent much too much money on the side and now it's your tongue. so you have a choice, you know, we're not going to spend another $100000000.00 a year in ministry age for these people in

a world or we don't believe it when i go boats has a lot of thoughts as it might come saying spend money on public to spend money on jobs, you know, it may well be that the europeans we pushed into this ultimate some web i. they would have to seriously think about spending much more than 2 percent of gigi be you know, much, much more or simply cut the losses. i get this shipping. okay. mark, because markham is already the, the, the, what we call the welfare state is under threat in europe. okay. i mean, us, there is almost kind of a permanent state of austerity, and now they want to of defense spending sco. tenable. that isn't it, is that in europe, in your opinion. so cannibal, i've seen the afternoon of the day to both of you. where are they going to get the young man that wants to fight these voice? unless you are, you know, that's the intent to bring in moldova, so you can have them, adobe, an army by the nato's wars. martin, i think it was the, what will happen is the europeans are site. that's not realistic, particularly with a number of key elections coming up,

particularly european unit elections of 2024, where the use or where to prepare yourself to be much different kind of mode. i think the read result will be that. so there be a lot of that challenge of diplomacy between europe and america and nature. and inevitably, that will be a peace process that will be towards the future. and pitching will have to, in a sort of the west will have to accept. but the temperature is approaching us. now i'm going to stay here. and uh, the payoff i suppose will be, um, uh, ukraine, getting nature membership about that. well, i mean, they want me to be part of the whole deal, you know, but the trouble is, is going to utah on so much is going to settle some of these schools when he gets into the office in the 1st few months. and you're quite right, he may, will not have any of these e u member states and that relates in his sites because they're just not particularly quoted to the bigger picture. and you're going to utah, it on the iris climate of codes. i'm just going to make them she usually i'm popular in into your opinion and, you know,

and he's going to invest in fossil fuels in america. i don't know if for on policy, so could he may, will do it lice. but he has raised a rubbing and hoping i'm watching when he gets back in these are only allied with completely correct, but i did all searching around because even the sound is ongoing anywhere near the idea anymore. so that's, that's it. i'm not sure. you know, i see, i think he's not gonna make any, any friends in europe, but it may, will not match that it may will be a deal with no luck with. but he is such and lead obsessed with re balance and this global di and not just in ministry spending but and actually how we do business with us. and you just don't forget the use, but they've been hit really hot by a lot of tax incentives or the ministration is crazy for american businesses. what they were say, say a completely alpha, one of which is called brother, literally an eye or a text and subscription. so when he comes in the palace he will be facing, oh, angry. your parents,

who now i said about the anger going george going back to my original question. i mean home, how much bouncing around didn't ricky shane, can you go with american to germany? i mean, again, you know, if it's not a nightmare now, i can't imagine like how it didn't get much worse. okay. this is under buying right now. i mean, it gets and then you know, we have look at, you know, i'm a political, did they were for them, the most dreaded thing is populism, obviously, in any time they mention populism. but there's coming back most the way me is moving in. okay. they always go to the extremes here, but then, you know, with this, this hot, cold relationship with the united states, it's becoming very dysfunctional going forward here. there isn't a populist opportunity in europe and a leads political and everybody else has notified about george. yeah, no question, and i think that's, that's like the article revealed in that what they are trading is the

popular opinion making itself so because this rule is been all this for a long time, this war is not popular in europe. now one of the things that um, you know, we hear about older, your bins will be unhappy about this, that your friends aren't happy about that. yes, the european, the leads you're being the lead. so when you know they worry about fossil fuels, you know, they have pre owned, combined with the net 0. but the be in the public in europe is not. and they are families. old is going to a band and ukraine. well, the public is not interested in a, in that, and uh, an issue of, uh, immigration. well, again, you know, the, this was the kind of thing the political doesn't want to take any interest in how they are being public feels about essentially migrants instead of continuing to pull into the continent. so, you know, trump is, is a nightmare. all the leads and there's nothing really new about that because of the

european leads. i always dreaded that an american president's going to come in and say, this is not, you know, why and why we're on the hook for these very rich lazy states, but don't want to pay for their own miller trade and expect us not only to band them out but to risk the destruction of the cities for the sake of doesn't even when it comes up, any money. i mean, the always worried about this only ever, you know this for years and years the, we're going to get some kind of a populace. i'm going to play this find that maybe they may get it. martin didn't what, why isn't there a radically re things in europe? because why has everything have to revolve around? who's in the white house? i mean a is again, it just seems like such a pattern mistake view of themselves. i mean again, you know, all in boca, you know, we don't need future historians to did the, tell us why we need psychiatry is because i don't understand if everything isn't coming in about who's sitting, what person is sitting in the white house,

but in europe is obviously doing something wrong. it's not a poor place. unfortunately for so long now. you know we, we, we have separate from this stuff. come central, we have looked, you know, i was in process for 11 years on the phone policy. i own slaves. oh, the entire architecture probably the most important electronic trans commission nearby in bottom and basically more or less in the pocket of the americans. they have a default position, which is a, if we don't have it, your opinion or something, go with american a cultural last from israel to, to show it to, you know, to the conflicts around the world. how we handle the advocate advocate right now. what's happening in africa, we are seeing the motion to discover real new cold war. you know, you have these 3 countries in the sense of the saw how much it became faster. molly's going now friends of russia who have completely rejected french, you on western germany, you know, and the world is changing. and i think the european union, you know,

probably is going to do the only thing it can possibly do under such laura with a new angle. yeah. and no bellicose, small. and reverend trump, which is to impose a small thomas. so you're going to have a trade, which is an image is actually inevitable, and that's why, but let's go his writing about this because he storage the dots through them to us . we can look at it because they're all, there are no other default positions that gentleman would run out of time. but george, i think you agree with me that the colonial power is just can help but flex their muscles. they just that's their default position. ok. all right, gentlemen, want to thank my guess in budapest and americans, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are these the next time? remember, i'll stop because the,

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