the question, did you say even closer to the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome across stock, where all the things are considered on people of elk, the westwood leads continued to be afflicted by trimmed arrangements and from the very thought of trump returning to the white house. as it goes, the sense of panic. can you think of a better example of stockholm syndrome?

the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we cross the drawer to study while we use a pod cast, read the gamble, which can be found on youtube and levels, or a gentleman, cost offerings on the dentist. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated. all right, let's start out with george in budapest, um the, the, the genesis of this program is an article to george sent me a info into go title that comes in big political trouble. but he still is a nightmare for a year of which, you know, i thank you, george, it was a interesting reading. i suppose the title lead itself kind of makes you want to think of the binary. so you're, if it isn't been a nightmare, right? and the, i mean i, it's, i just, but it's really astounding. okay. um the, the, the specter of the stroke of trump is haunting it,

the year of. but one could make an argument that europe was much better off under trump than by george. there you're absolutely right, and the you'll be, your response was exactly the same as mine that the europeans think that that was a bad time then did that, the trump is when essentially trunk was saying, you know, we want to kind of bring this. so i'm still kind of slow and, and so you can start thinking about your own security needs, and we'll think about our, our own security needs. and this should have been a great opportunity for your vin 0 finally, to bring to an end, essentially a dysfunctional relationship. and then the 1945 was a long time ago the long time ago, and it seemed in a word my problem. same as they said, i think 2017 or 2018 nato is brand that the europeans who have before used to

talk about the european security and defense identity. you know, we have to do things for ourselves and others of relying on washington. there's only been a great opportunity for them to just go ahead and use trump is an opportunity to do the re things as secure as you need. but now, according to political, there are no absolute panic that the trump is coming back and trumpets only bank mean we're going to have to, you know, rethink what we're doing. oh no, we just want to go on doing what the americans tell us to the we, you know, we want the want of finding a new great, and we want to go on a sanctioning russia. we want to go on, you know, eat into the, creating the possibility of a nuclear complex. is this the regard as being the doing of a state of affairs that trump is written as long as i by says something like a bite and is the most trials atlantis, this president, just george h. w bush. i think what kind of a delusional world or the living in the i think that's why he said he might have

deduction. this is like stockholm syndrome. i mean, you, you know, your, your worship your oppressor. okay? cuz that's what it sounds like. you're gonna learn. it's really interesting in the article. obviously it's political. okay it's, it's a, um, a, uh, an oregon propaganda, oregon of nato and of the western alliance. i mean it, 1st and foremost, it's no surprise that political always breaks these stories. ok, because they're just as denado for, for brussels. but what's interesting in the article to me anyway, and you as a journalist, there are, there is no public opinion polls. there's no, you know, average mr. or mrs. europe in there. it's just all political functionaries, think tankers and all of that. mean you don't get a, you don't, there's no gauging a public opinion. but of course i don't care about public opinion. i don't care about democracy. they don't care how the populace feels, how this conflict in your brain is affecting their bottom line on

a daily basis. it's always a leap driven bar. you know, and the, the, the article could have had a footnote to say. and one of the reasons why run this mess style is because we tend to report only on your leads. and i mean, i only have view points based on the leads on both sides. valencia, i mean you, you use the expression style cups and you're also taking a task on that. i'm still kind of seeing them doesn't mean that the person, the hostage themselves actually pays cash to the terrorist. you're picking up the best. what do you have and you're actually paying? it's not just that we are, we're, we're held hostage to american. stockholm syndrome dilutes. okay, every day. okay. you're going to bring it in tomorrow. okay. yeah. the, i think the important part did with the article. i know it was very much about our european leads think and they should be worried about the woods nightmare a came up. but um you should be worried that he, you particularly should be worried. you know, 1st time really had

a shock which trump, you know, um, he really did um, upset a lot of people with his, with his bellicose clumsy style. and we had to acclimatize also to this guy who was not a political figure. he wasn't very smooth. it was a very eloquent, he was literally the bone in the china shop, but now we're ready with our best. we know what we get, you know, and i think trump will be thinking the same thing. but this time around we should, we should now forget, we should never forget the, the well, the trump will, will, will, will find himself in as president if he wins in 2024 is a very, very different world to the one that so he started in january 2017, those as president, the 1st time around, you know, this new will know that will mean the east, but want to do better expressions, the east on as follows, a much much stronger now. so he'll be looking at russia. it's stronger china, india strongly he'll be looking at something that he probably doesn't really even understand the brakes, you know, which will have at least 5 new members this year. let's rel,

i'm off of the top of my head. saudi arabia, egypt, iran, argentina, and turkey. but it's fine, we'll probably join this. yeah. that's just this. yeah. you know, in the eruption maybe another 5. so that's, that's a very much different situation that he will be and he'll be looking at, but i think he will, you won't be looking for new partners and you're a pace that is full year run before he knows more or less. the latter loudy, what we look at the school leads, i think you'll be, it'll be looking at people like roger foundry person. and he will probably single outs. and i'm hungry as he's new partners to the rates and bashed in your opinion. and i may, so every given option to the cab, they'll be kicked back to that from the french and germans macro. but you could, you could also make the argument. george is that it trumped as well? hope care? rick? okay, sorry. say this because other things to do. okay. you know, we've been babysitting, you know, for almost a decades we've had enough,

we've got other things to, to, to, to contend with. and it gets down to the global trade, the competitive advantage. i mean, in the know president trump talked about it, he wasn't able to finish his mission, but you know, you and i've talked about for about this for years that the us has to re tool in, in amanda, it's manufacturing if it's going to be relevant at all okay, because right now the west has a gemini because of what the financial system and controlling trade. but once breaks, as barton is brought up, you know, it's only a matter of time. they uh, when they will come up with their own currency and then the dollar, the less likely portable to go ahead george. exactly right. and we're just looking back to the 2016 trying to figure it out. but neither really figuring this out many years before when he was 1st thinking of running in the, in the year 2000, that russia is not america's problem. the dear, you know, that reveal russia should be america's ally in the, you know, the game,

i didn't do it. he wasn't above of atlantis. just establishment. even care about nature. so you don't always believe russia is potentially upon but to the united states. you always believe china, china is the big threat. boba's this bill is here so that, so he views the green war. you ever study the solicit, they, but to say what, he thinks that this is an absolute catastrophe in that it's printing united states against russia, which should be an ally of the united states. and when he comes back, they will 1st of all have a lot of resentment towards the europeans because he seen that the europeans are obviously much more a favorably inclined towards the by them than the democrats, than they ever were. toward him. he will have a lot of resentment over the british because, you know, he knows all about 1st of all, stealing everything that they were doing at the election. and i know, and he knows he has a lot of, you know,

he's going to be facing this documents date, probably tomorrow, logo. but he knows of what the british have. okay. would he bring to release it? okay. and it was again, the president united states. he was stopped by his own underline. it's exactly right. that's what, that's what happened during his 1st done that they, all the british go to. those will be in the, you know, actually damage all special relationship. you can possibly release this information . he will remember all of that and back in his 1st um, he tried to make the make nice with the establishment, you know, be your opinion establishment, the american establishment. hey i, you know, i'm not really a big threat to you. he hide all those people, the pump bills and a mattress and now the rest of them. he hasn't really a name jerome was cool, you play these are going to do it this time and, and, and i think you, you the, your bins a working off out of a small business for 2 years or a really small play day. we seen the back of trump and i, they are realizing know he's coming back and he's going to be leading, i mean,

a enough seo then he was last time around the door to this. take a step back. i mean it's, we've, it's neither here nor there. he's going to come back now we're going to talking about perceptions here. but martin, you're absolutely right. a lot is really changed. and 1st of all, i don't think trump is going to have much patience for the europeans that he has a very different agenda. i like immigration, for example, china from trade or overall and you know that the way the buying administration is helped degrade european industrial base, particularly germany. i mean it's just not, it's just not going to be worth is his time. and i think going forward that's going to happen, the respective of who's in the white house, go ahead mark a may, will take a step back even further from, from policy. i'm a real thing to this is just a roll of silly way of wasting a lot of time i'm you should be focusing much more on the heart of the republican policies and particularly the mac, a obsessions, you know,

which keep coming up. you know, it'll be onto work that will be a big part of it. immigration, and america taking a bigger slice of global trade by hook or by crook they were to get these will be the main focus is i think, i mean, the relationship between the democrats and the on the european union has always been, you know, the perception is we can get along a little bit better with the democrats because they tend to stick to uh, previously agreements. and they're not particularly precious that quite boring and predictable. whereas republicans, they're easy to get along with and talk to, but some recovery project wherever they'll go. and i think this will probably the super become through with trump. you know that what you just want to know what is next step will be, but i think the idea of the european union and, and your country should start preparing. now. let's just start thinking about now, how do we cope with um, from 2 point oh, you know, um with what i've just said about the background of the new world order. you know

how we really were. yeah, he will try and develop a road unit. i'm show a book, you know, and i think the kick back from the french, particularly for my car, will be to push even hard to with this new idea of taking away the degree type role closing system to go to majority voting. so the counsellor among great can no longer and stop us progressing is what's incumbent as you know, we stop disciplining you can, will you want to come out of ukraine? the, i'd say it will be very well. i mean, it's very and so we have to good to go to a break here. but it's very interesting is that, um how trump will be able to use this and within the european union and further american in just general, i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on so we'll need to stay with our case. the look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a

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and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as 1st? can you see through their illusion going underground? can the 12 domestic cross that were all things are considered? i'm peter a little bell. this is the cross top bull horns edition the all right, let's go back to george storage area talking about what's changed since january 2017, to the present. one thing that it seems quite irreversible. and they, and the democrats and their, their colleagues in the european union have succeeded in creating

a huge wedge and irreversible wedge of dividing the united states from russia and invest because of the stockholm syndrome europe, from russia. that is the biggest single change i just was never even at the from makes it back to the white house too much has happened. there's not gonna be any kind of reconciliation the best we could probably help or is a very, very cold and ugly cold war george? well, i think that's a very likely i'm on the other hand, you're something to think about, especially that um chrome. um, if he actually does make moves towards bringing this down thing. so in the end up roll, that's what he's promised that's, that's it. you know, he's been the one that the collection promised that he continues to repeat. i will end this in 24 hours. so he's going to have to do something to make that happen. so now once he does that, we know that the, the political security establishment in the united states will go into high gear to

try to stop him. and uh, and when people say no feature in the they will impeach him and then he will also go to the european political establishment, which is also that will be in panic mode that they and also, you know, see whatever they, they can do in order to stop in and there are indications of left in the political all to go that they were ready and some kinds of collusion between european politicians and the political figures on the hill to make sure that somehow trunk cannot do anything drastic like withdrawal from nato or withdrawal assistance from ukraine's so right away, we're just setting up a political crisis almost from the beginning. i mean that, but this is going to be the, the, the huge issue. and then again, you know, it's for its own picture. i mean, he will probably survive. and then he'll go against the europe again. but his problem in europe is that he doesn't have too many allies at the moment. the

obviously, as victor or button was explicit, they come out to him in favor of him for our ours or is obviously a trump in book. so obviously, way for us goes, i mean, he's not, you know, he's not standing it. that's as far as we can say in the next election. so not like that's what changed. i mean them there might be, you know, waiver us who will go withdrawn problem. uh, you know, he says he's the but he's the election when a so we're going to go with him. but at the moment he will have a recalcitrant your ups, but that might not displease it means i the yeah, i don't, i don't need these buggers. i think, you know, you know, particularly, i mean, depending on how the situation in ukraine involves, i mean a trump presidency, you'll just do this. we wipe our hands. okay. i mean, of course, that will still lead to some form of impeachment, but i mean, it will put your on notice is that if you want to resolve your security problems on your account, then you better take care of it. okay? and i think that that will shift a lot of people,

but what it will do is it will create a huge crate. okay, chaos inside of nature, what so many b, but maybe from blog post that with me, i remember top fluids being charged up to date. either. trump is completely ignorant of what the lights is about and it seems to be always pointing 5 dimensional chess. i think you remember those conversations go ahead. yeah, i think i think you're absolutely right. you've mailed it, but i think the deposit is probably coming from nature itself. it's probably coming from the mistakes of next to, you know, i'm wondering what that, what we're going to do. if he goes ahead with any of these ideas to be asked. if you look back in the newspaper, i'll try to remember the 1st time he came to europe, the infamous the nature of summit, where he pushed a couple of the world leaders aside to very quickly get in front of the crowd. so that folks, i mentioned that original to the door and finally correct. the montenegro i think is uh it. okay. but um the point is, is, is that i think that this some refinancing, it will be something we bought

a 2nd in this new world world or between america and you have, and i think it's trump may not have to go that far and cancel. do you kind well he may well just simply say to your bins, we spent much too much money on our side and now it's your tongue. so you have a choice, you know, we're not going to spend another $100000000.00 a year in ministry age for these people in a world or we don't believe it when i go. boat has a lot of thoughts as it might come saying, spend money on public to spend money on jobs. you know, it may, will be that the europeans we pushed into this ultimate, some web i, they would have to seriously think about spending much more than 2 percent of gigi be you know, much, much more or simply cut the losses and get this cheaper. okay. market market is already the, the, the, what we call the welfare state is under threat in europe. okay. i mean, us, there is almost kind of a permanent state of austerity. and now they want to of defense spending. how terrible that is and is that in europe, in your opinion? so cannibal, i've seen the afternoon of the day to both of you. where are they going to get the

young man that wants to fight these words unless you are, you know, that's the intent to bring in moldova, so you can have them, adobe an army by the nato's wars. martin, i think it was the what will happen is the europeans are site that's not realistic . particularly with a number of key elections coming up, particularly european unit elections of 2024, where the e u is already preparing itself to meet, must reflect how much i think the read result will be that. so there be a lot of that challenge of diplomacy between europe and america and nature. and inevitably, that will be a piece process that will be towards the future page. and we'll have to of a sort of the west will have to accept the temperatures of kitchen as now. i'm going to stay here. and uh, the payoff i suppose will be, um, uh ukraine getting nature membership. uh that, well, i mean they want me to be part of the whole deal, you know, but um, the trouble is,

is going to utah on so much is going to settle someone who school is when he gets into the office in the 1st few months. and you're quite right, he may, will not have any of these e u member states. and that relates in his slides because they're just not particularly quoted to the bigger picture. and you're going to utah it on the other one is fine with the codes. i'm just going to make them she usually i'm popular in into your opinion and you know, i need to invest in fossil fuse in america. i don't know if for on policy, so could he may, will do it lice. but he has raised a rubbing. i'm hoping i'm watching when he gets back in these are only allied with completely correct, but i did all searching around because even the sound is on going anywhere near the idea anymore. so that's, that's it. i'm not sure. you know, i see. i think it's nothing to make any, any friends in europe, but it may, will not match that it may will be a deal with no luck with. but he is such a late obsessed with re balance and this global day and not just in ministry spending but and actually how we do business with us and you just don't forget the use, but they've been hit really hot by

a lot of tax incentives or the ministration is crazy for american businesses. what they were say, say a completely alpha, one of which is called brother, literally an eye or a text and subscription. so when he comes in the palace he will be facing, oh, angry your parents, who now i said about the anger going george going back to my original question. i mean home, how much bouncing around didn't ricky shane? can your go with american to germany? i mean, again, you know, if it's not a nightmare now, i can't imagine like how it didn't get much worse. okay. this is under buying right now. i mean, it gets and then you know, we have look at, you know, i'm a political, did they were for them, the most dreaded thing is populism, obviously, in any time they mention populism. but there's coming back most the way me is moving in. okay. they always go to the extremes here, but then, you know, with this,

this taught cold relationship with the united states. it's becoming very dysfunctional going forward here. there isn't a populist opportunity in europe and a leads political and everybody else has notified about george. yeah, no question and i think that's, that's like the. ready article revealed in that what they are writing is the popular opinion making itself so because this rule is been all this for a long time, this war is not popular in europe. now one of the things that um, you know, we hear about older, your bins will be unhappy about this. so your opinions aren't happy about that. yes, the european, the leads you're being the lead so well, you know, they worry about fossil fuels. you know, that pre owned, combined with the net 0, but the public in europe is not. and they are families. oh is going to a band and ukraine? well, the public is not interested in a, in that and uh, an issue of, uh, immigration. well, again, you know, the,

this was the kind of thing the political doesn't want to take any interest in how they are being public feels about essentially migrants instead of continuing to pull into the continent. so, you know, trump is, is a nightmare of the leads and there's nothing really new about that because of the european leads. i always dreaded that an american president's going to come in and say, this is not, you know, why and why we're on the hook for these very rich lazy states, but don't want to pay for their own miller trade and expect us not only to band them out but to risk the destruction of the cities for the sake of doesn't even when it comes up, any money. i mean, the always worried about this. i don't ever, you know, this for years and years the, we're going to get some kind of a populace. when you play this, find that maybe they may get it. martin didn't what, why isn't there a radically re things in europe? because why has everything have to revolve around? who's in the white house?

i mean if it is again, it just seems like such a pattern mistake view of themselves. i mean again, you know, all in boca, you know, we don't need future historians to did the, tell us why we need psychiatry is because i don't understand if everything isn't coming in about who's sitting, what person is sitting in the white house, but in europe is obviously doing something wrong. it's not a poor place. unfortunately for so long? no, no we we, we have separate from this still come central. we have looked, you know, i was in process for 11 years on the phone policy. i own slaves. oh, the entire architecture. probably the most important on the phone transfer, you mentioned you're being bottom and basically it more or less in the pocket of the americans. they have a default position which is a if we don't have a chair opinion or something, go with america. a cultural loss from israel to, to, to it, to, you know, to the conflicts around the world, how we handle the advocate advocate right now. what's happening in africa. we're seeing the motion to discover real new cold war. you know,

you have these 3 countries in the sense of the saw how much you have to confess it remotely. so now friends of russia who completed rejected french, you on western germany, you know, i'm, the world is changing and i think the european union, you know, probably is going to do the only thing it can possibly do under such laura with a new, unclear and no bellicose small in richmond, trump, which is to impose a small tourist. so you're going to have a trifle that's just an image is actually inevitable. and that's why, but let's go his writing about this because he storage that, that's the them to us. we cause it wrong. there are no other default positions. the gentleman would run out of time. but george, i think you agree with me that the colonial power is just can help but flex their muscles. they just that's their default position. okay. alright gentlemen, what i think my guess in budapest and americans, we want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are these the next time?

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