i'm now joined by tony's smart and just for my master to saudi arabia, investor, it's a great pleasure and great honor for me to talk to thank you very much for time and you, everybody to be digit. you know, whenever i interview prominent indian thinkers on china, i always feel myself a part of a love hate triangle because the china and india are so big and so close geographically that i guess it's impossible for them to be neutral towards each other. having said that, i wonder if china is resend breaks through diplomacy, including uh, the success and bringing the salad using the rang and do they negotiate negotiating table? is that where they are respect and particularly where they are respective di, indian saunter, parts are changes, whether your space from the indian side any need for any diplomatic initiative that brought more peace and state be in the middle east is gonna be ready to come

to buy orders less and i, she wrote this week, i'd be getting better coming. what day, what has been achieved, engaging in bringing to get us. i'll be in a be a and the, uh, the country is, have been there strange for barbara with all that has to be met a lot of the do, but ation exchange between them they nearly came to arm's length of war. uh, a set of circumstances in going to be by the fall i listen to the width of this initiative and i will that they, that they've been chinese to for that no going to be is we'd be able to go forward and we'd be able to successfully address various methods that'd be like them or not . one of the reasons why i think the, the news of the saudi arabian deal astonished many is that we have come to take this risk for granted as almost the natural rather the man made state of, uh, international affairs. how much do you think or politics and by that i mean this uh

uh, fluid mix of, uh there is interest um the various influences. how much has it influence the, the initial risk and how much has influenced its appearance resolution. now, i don't have the idea that there is any, any revealing in international relations, nor do i believe that have been any in every day really deep in regard to the estrangement. which means that will be the idea that they have been long periods when they were to study them. and making the most out of the in india actually had really, really jumped out. that'd be, that'd be a lot of your head, but it is upside down. be with the thing. yeah. and then what able to assign a very, made the dealer. have you go to the exchange, the walburga visit? after that there have been issues that you why did them not necessarily connected with anything that had happened between them. but as i am supposed to be doing or what availability,

i will call it in the yard after the event. so be out of pretty bad bad. and so it would be any of yeah, it'd be really good. considerable, let's do about it. so not enable me, it was so much bigger and it had such a large population and continued defense. gimme a really deep sleep or can sir, but it was bored. so i'm sure so the fact that you can afford, explore, that'd be going to be affiliated with the american. the americans of us are going to be security, gathered them as lot of like even worse kind sir. but the situation they gave you are easy. they were brought, she was late and see the added. yeah. been, that'd be way did them. and there was the same. so 0 or something. the module. yeah . change the situation. but basically, what i'm going to the and i teach and gabrielle had been domestic this more, could i be able to take you to the broadway the, i mean this or this lead and then for the why do we yes,

the style deeds have been looking at i did the promising options and they have been the beauty of ideas already probably wouldn't be going to be $100.00 deeper and need to verify what all dropped we'd be good about that ended mascot. and i would see that the chinese initiative in this bag, you know, so i will say that yes, this is a very positive do a lot. when you do that going to be nature of certain combined sions on both sides . certainly. but at the same time rebuild for like a native that china has not to blame that it is going to be a significant because and deep romantic, but it lives in that age. and let me ask you specifically about china's role here. as i heard you say before, the china recognizes its limits and understands the problems can only be addressed and hopefully resolve by the countries themselves. but it's ready to provide what psychologist, call a safe container, or what you called was i need you to me. the asian, the sort of congenial,

authentic atmosphere of that, where those difficult issues could be tackled or please discount. now, how important it is, i'm other, any other countries or any other platforms that can provide these safe space for genuine authentic negotiation of difficult issues. the background relating to china is that that has been the age of china in the east midland, where the fast or the last 4 of the is the 1st print be, is that i was no peas. the northbrook claimed that the board making progress and it was concerned that gives us the ball or seem to know about be, be able to do anything to jeopardize the demo, to the flood problem issue loudly open economic fabric that about the emergence of china and the legs these occur exactly 10 years ago in 2013,

but i didn't, she didn't being, i know the one day when broad initiated they, they planned to became the barrett and all the the ship. 10 years later, time has allowed them to get just also going to be a major only because clearly we would definitely ask you to try it earlier on. this cannot be that it was not familiar with, with the shop, had not been dappled or wrong, but i did not know that religion the language, the kind of what the last been. yes, i have no get there. jamie scholars have read that makes, or maybe it would be really, god forbid each year and the child, that variable is much more of the, of the chinese up, which is quite different from that of the americans. the american approach is to have a very strong, maybe 3 branches of the gym and we'll have friends rather than meet at the office to be interviewed. and will it be covered by the probate dreamforce?

i would say if the new lady frankly, that go with the law for be a since the end or before or i will change through you, then the right, this dates have left the region to be shut. the, the, what the chinese offer is something quite different. the only way if i may be a trim order, the wayside media partner keeping the regards, solve your problems, can be stored by countries only to engagement with each other. well, the chinese goal is all for the offices, and then the email shows and garbage dialogue and the, the, they use the word hardly be in the think. i look forward to being brokers. they are engaging dialogue between people to and standing by, you know, the whole year. the disagreement is marked in by that the indeed with the views of

a chinese have lead themselves and again, bigger box or disagreement and therefore have bid them serves guided development success. clearly the try at china is a reputation as a piece builder, or as a mediator has received a significant boost. but uh there are also some provisions economic provisions in this deal. for example. amazing is trying to encourage saudi or rage iran to conduct any uh, by large troll trade deals uh, being denominated in you on you've got the cost to pass. what do you think is going to be the significance of that both for the, the countries involved and perhaps even broader? that is, at steve's at the amazing stage i made this, i believe i have already seen a number of reports from baby, a sources in the gaping ending 3, using a fraction or using your y or any other non bona barcode transactions

every to comes through that in order to flush really big green, because the light is dancer, it'd be nice to have missed your dollar under god. but the, you need that the sanction the board up all need to be here. you need that the drawer from the new get agree with the green sanction they bought. when you ball would understand the country, it does seem as a cross missed your or their daughter. if you have a st. jude, i would say 3 will. very frankly, it can take any more. st. jude won't be a medic who's been taking advantage always by 9 to state the moberly and it made it the bible study. well, the rest of the international community participate in the sanctions. and that has been that the district just did the device, no community live number. oh god needed in the risk dasia as well as in other parts of egypt. i seriously concern that this kind of beauty, that the grossly unfair action can be big. i guarantee that already they all are

against any trailer or against any other kind of the example. let's not move. they only sent them the room as well that and yet, and again, as i hear the countries arkansas are, you can already see that the chinese, by a lot of the light in the android in the a heads up to ensure the guys, i mean, the russians on to be despite the sanctions, i'm eva and china india. i'd like you to build up or the better the girl make the visits to kind of things that have been a fairly targeted by the american only or calling brokerage 5 inches. go out. i like you to look for other options now i, investor, i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think the americans that had a tend to view these defines of the universe. so policy as an ideological move, they like to portray it as a sort of a battle existential battle between a head democracy and a talk receives. but from what you're saying at the countries,

i do not know that out of any idea of logical or recent, per se, but there is simply pursuing that common sense it go. if not survivalist interest, do i understand you correctly that it's not so much and ask of defying the americans as simply a, you know, holding your own pass and doing what's, what's good for you without necessarily trying to steal something from others, to read orders back to the american policy makers in washington dc, their business or, or a baby and lives a democratic gabby is no conviction workshop ever. nobody in the world believes in it for the americas. are you with us, or argue against that's, that is the legal. it doesn't matter what you will remember that in there by the americans have been the strongest of all the hop outside south africa, or 20 baby of a gmc imagine the baby guy in africa or pottery davy and reggie limited. yeah. so i am not impressed with this. i mean, it is, it is when people considered,

but they do read the description. we are looking for depth with them as you know, neither china nor did i share nor india, nor did i already went by you to decide you let it go by very often new or what we have been, as you did think over the last 20 years or for is that you're looking at what is the border that going to be update? yeah, same, please see. you didn't order the american book. jeff. we have seen you a large number of countries every month on the words page. they have that all mean says and, but they're all good. they have the priorities being worked through the pain, the option of big data or bought in partners deep bought jo best basically i think you choose atkinson you want to see in the context of the bought in your dream. hardly any country had supported the american agenda or the walker's the lives that

are already daddy. any of them or them hardware, expedited be back because the were to believe we, i mean by the board where we have our right big room decision is the guy who made the mistake as well as methods each member of the device. okay, well, i'm bassinger, we have the right and obligation right now to take a little break, but they will be back in just a few moments, stay tune the . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race based on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk

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a smart induced foreman baset or to saudi arabia invested there before the break. we were talking about how the various countries finally have the results and perhaps the necessity to pursue that own uh, national interest and then the concept of multiple, a rogue. not as necessarily idea logic color defines to the united states, but simply out of uh, their own interest. them, i heard you say before the, the us, as answer to that changing world order has been a new cold water, which i have to say in ukraine, turned into a hot or do you think that will help the americans to hold onto their so called leadership and i'm not asking for a moral judgment here. do you think that's a good strategic decision to pursue confrontation? read the russia as a way of sort of holding onto the, um, to the benefits that they have been sustaining?

is of western board wisdom, leg work order and indeed, or you wish you would be in fact word order is now that will be more us see in your 3 is the last at the desk. put it at the by the americans and the fuel west. the light that they have to do, but it's the dry totally being that court order it some more detail order that has no relation with the the word as g. i want to be no point in disregard. but when building dead shore, bbc, america would be the shoulders, football and in the word. okay. be extraordinary violent said damage that they get really get their own. we have to be looking at 20 years after the beat you out for the or short mold that may be the simply the database that'd be america. they did

a kind of stuff. we are for officially that hall for 1000000 people would have kids there during the american occupational countries in the stop and you that about. that is the reason why that is what the thinking did. a good deal there has to be left. i use the other countries, they are not claiming to pop our data, but they are getting that service degree off in the west. and i'm seeking are the ones that more does that provide these changes? the book is very broad. deal their own work. order is boxy and active. it'd be a good. it'd be hard. again, the problem might be boiler, would it be harder to get or beans or video? yeah, look at the shank, diag, walbridge and organ. i vision. air bags and dig indiana, which i mean by full vision and know what is the deep level of the bombing ada environment that bought one of each of the leasing owners, fluid dynamics on the beach resolve its own logic. i'm going to make one more point

that i the approval and that is just for the time being showed in west european countries have locked in for the american agenda. is that says dave never gets won't be, has have been visiting market. taking your loved data from water, you green germany agree me. when hundreds of billions of products were to have accepted this we many of the simple folk and censor point one point b . a can who imagine the job would be coming. subordinate would be a medical image and they didn't say if i worked them. yes, i can you imagine from remaining subordinate to the american intent that i have japan really boss or bank because of its insecurity resolve the driver, but not at all. yeah. oh yeah, you're not willing to join the rest the lines that go to china as well. so

therefore, i'm suggesting that war to she as a, when this or around the americans. i really that i mean live or cool in a n t bridge. i and there's lots of statements or can i ask you about that because this is something that's be, is being discussed in russian circles a lot. uh, namely, what you mentioned, whether we can imagine a re on germany or brands remain on the, the american uh, control or the american can for the next 5 to 7 years. but if we look at the national lead, a leads of those countries, most of them are western educated that, that level of expertise or that level of knowledge, even of the basic european history, seems to be very, very limited. what makes you believe that something go happened then those the great european nations that will provide the kind of leads that will be more, it's not more sir. different guns the, the americans, but then at least

a little bit more independent than minding the old interest. you so difficult question for me. gland show, we don't or what french i have as a long term pro magic every year after the 7 years, i had been up the board at the extent of 11 in western countries, particularly invested in europe. and the united states really got to be this king bet. gotcha. and the diamond mixed ability could either be all countries in africa and asia. i'm glad you know maybe even menu of their salt or dish birch b actually in the leg looking they are full on the board. measurement is dish that this being seen, that the same should require my offer to bromwoods, as well as all or all subject. the bowman 3 is that you must move in. your in the top is coming to you want to know what is and you didn't came on to the walk out of

their priority then into your fault, cuz you did your really, chris, your, your priority. you have, you have released yourself particularly be a very give the be an exception of the people in the what the other board for it would be american believe that both american video, pets, or board or watch movie news. yeah, i'm out of it guy and i'd be of america that they just don't read your boards a true. yes. do we have a problem of not each of the they're marked something that you can get it go where people are in the laird looking and you will have small leads wherever you won't be at their own invest the bank debit card may be believe it warning letter g m motorcycle, the same 3rd more worried about their future. and therefore yes, there is a certain limit that they have to be in the region that are all the way. and that's what we are leaving. so we are leaving corvette, they're leaving to a good whole bunch of to be, i want to ask you a specific question about, uh,

energy and nothing more challenging, but rather, uh, saudi arabia and utilize your norm as expertise in that area. easily even more striking than uh, china is the reason 6 as the, the saudis intention to, as a result, to go the own way. because for many years, the scientist position themselves as a staunch american l. and yep, if we actually look at the recent statements and the recent moves, for example, the commitment to the a park, it class deals that refusal uh to sell oil 2 countries that introduce price caps on oil, including uh, you know, that's the measure that is forced by the, by the west, you know, it seems the guy foreign policy is far more independent and far more actually inward looking them at any of the countries that, uh, you know, surround the west of this point of time. absolutely. right. you know,

the range, you know, part of the word game is a set price to west and government data is because beautiful for me. we can get your logic. he's got a surprise for us. remember. yeah. i have to watch. so be in a be at the board. what would it be? vehicle sy? yes, they have taught them said about another. they had a smaller population of about maybe 1000000 plus $10000000.00 in florida. and that they did not have a very strong meaning printed issue. they bought the american website and i've had no intention of using that. when you started, she did change. did attempting to engage with the daughter. daughter, it sounds busy day and she actually larry, did the district job went in with this? yeah, we got with the americans being seen of st. you and, and keep her away and started the process or lives that some of the rules in my b like boy e as yeah. you're also one of the want to give your degree months. i had heard because one to confirm china,

you will need to all the which i made you will need to lead time. i gave you the good thing or maybe the so j the v b were blue is yeah, the blood work, the patients baby bad. they're bad the beginning, the 2nd, well, the nuclear agree lou, or we'd be of that means i didn't die with the region was that you gave them of all the allowed you them it concerns related to your wardrobe, while my legal shape viet agreement with outcome sort of thing, any of them, the turn or the media to banner from the stand goal between the us and the same jim got the idea and that our best bet brought it back on the boys facilities or the beads. and then the item is pro. well, the know me this american big drawers from i was at this time, frank goblin beach me stall. and it was meant to they might be does or how they had

back then. but i'm from vietnam or adult years ago. that same back the or a brand giving you and i lied, actually not being i already have them, but i mean go it a lot as you get the region, the bed, the less than really event and they're like that. now the new world order has come, read cannot depend on be americans as security provided, all got it that we need to look at it's true demo booking, particularly do provide. that's the, the do. it says i have come of age. so the primary people, but i don't washington, dc and possibly but i pad is invalid. there's no user we have been watching this happen for such a long time. the same. so be 3. and i've been struggling though, but invested or maybe there is a also very inspiring messaging on the 1st of all the fact that it's not only the americans, but any other country in the world that has a sense of its own manifest destiny and the right to pursue it on its own terms and in the front of the relationship with the others. and the 2nd good news is that

credibility is not something that comes as a birthright you, you actually have to earn if you're actually have to treat others as you're yourself, want to be treated. and i think that's the basis of all major philosophical and religious schools. that have been used vehicle manifest destiny. it reminds us on the green hornet or the one that is that might even be that isn't being gabby and the white man's burden. you will get the mass murder, the general side that because you know, in the name of stabilization, the white being out they'll be in by of and in the community. the american indian community then be wiping the institutionalization of slavery. they'll be nation window of a lot of our most r o, b i in africa. the printer will be shouldn't during but nobody is going to be going to be like they should have ready for that. any that is not acceptable, but it's actually not just and we should not remember all of us. have it give you

that you do the math or into the roses list, depression menus, beautiful dancing, realizing be, should be less. they realized 5000 a year before any of them saw see me live vision. important is she, i've outbreak that we have particularly as a year, but uh, when we hear of these people are as it is, that are both. that's on sense. and i'm like full warning light the as be called this utilizing vision, me savvy? yes. more convincing. realizing vision has meant mass murder. absolutely. and you know, i was interviewed former, produced on a prime minister and, but i'm silent. and he said that the, you know, one of the worst rested use of colonialism is the nation start to believe that colonial letter to themselves. and i think in a sense what we've been discussing today is that many of those countries, i'm finally ready to free themselves from all those narratives. and to recognize that there's something inherently good and valuable and charitable in their own history, in the own national path. and indeed,

in the old manifest destiny because you know, all the nations in the world have something special, something unique to offer. even the international environment supports that. unfortunately, we have to end up here. i'm, as i said, great, the owner then briefly inspired by this conversation. thank you very much. it's a great pleasure for me and thank you for watching hope to see her again. next week on was a part of the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00]

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