it's gonna, it's gonna start to dissolve. well that's all for this is outside of i co is on a will default. next will be at the top of the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to was a part, 3 hours have always watched each other with a change of jealousy on his facility. but is it a number to will return his reason, diplomacy? bring king a number of long child,

your political assumptions. you would pay the way for a room where great means not only might is right, but also responsibility in. this comes with power to discuss that amount, joined by a total niece in just for man bassinger to saudi arabia, investor. it's a great pleasure and great honor for me to talk to thank you very much for time. and you really by to be did you know, whenever i interview prominent indian thinkers on china, i always feel myself a part of a love hate triangle because the china and india are so big and so close geographically that i guess it's impossible for them to be neutral towards each other. having said that, i wonder if china is resend brakes to diplomacy, including the best success and bringing the salad using the rain and do they negotiate negotiating table? is that worthy of respect, and particularly where they are respective di, indian saunter parts or changes,

whether your booth space to come the indian side any need for do any of the pro magic? and be sure to that bro. moore's piece and stay be in the middle east, is gonna be ready to come to buy all those last and i see this week i'd be getting better coming. what day, what has been achieved, engaging in bringing to get us. i'll be in a, b a and here they're both of these have been this change for 5, google. that has to be met a lot of the do, but ation exchange between them, they nearly came to arm's length of war. uh, a set of circumstances in 2019. so i basically went of this initiative and i will that they, i've had, they've been chinese to for that no going to be is we'd be able to go forward and we'd be able to go successful this various methods. that'd be white. that were not one of the reasons why i think the news of the saudi arabian deal astonished many

is that we have come to take this risks for granted as almost the natural rather than man made stayed off by international affairs. how much do you think your politics and by that i mean this uh uh, fluid mix of, uh there is interest and the various influences. how much has it influence the, the initial rift and how much has influenced its appearance resolution. now, i don't have the idea that it is any in they would give realty in international relations. nor do i believe that have be many in every day really deep in regard to the estrangement. which means that will be the id that they have been know, be the rims able to study them and making the most out of the and yet actually i really, really jumps out. that'd be, that'd be a lot of your head, but it is upside down. be with the thing. yeah. and they let able to recite a very made the dealer and you go to the exchange the wall,

the visit. after that there have been issues that you like advance not necessarily connected with anything that had happened between them. but the same foster, dear, what availability, i will call it in the yard after the rain. so be out of pretty bad bad. and so it would be any of yeah, it'd be really good. couldn't see that, but let's do about it. so not enable me to watch so much bigger and it had such a large population and continued defense. gabriel, really be. so it was there, but it was bored, full of i'm sure. so the fact that you can afford explore a big overall the vision with the american, the americans of us are all to be security. the gotten them as lot of like even worse kind sir. but the situation injuries they were brought, she was late and say the and then yeah but and that'd be way did them. and that was the same. so 0 or sub z, matthew. yeah. genes that situation,

but basically what they're going to be and i teach him. yeah. then the medic bills are more, can i be able to say good, the broadway the. i mean this or this leads and then for the last few years, the style beads have been looking at. i did the promising options and they're having the beauty of ideas already. the problem wouldn't be 2100 different people. they had 5 at all and dropped. we'd be good about that. and mascot. and i would see that the chinese in egypt, they in this bag, you know, so i would say that yes, this is a very positive do a lot. when you do that, going to be nature of certain combined sions on both sides. certainly. but at the same time rebuild for like a native that china has not to blame that it is going to be a significant political and diplomatic, but it lives in that age. and let me ask you specifically about china's role here. as i heard you say before, the china recognizes its limits and understands the problems can only be addressed

and fully resolved by the countries themselves. but it's ready to provide what psychologists call a safe container or what you called was i need you to me, the asian, the sort of congenial, authentic atmosphere of that, where those difficult issues could be tackled or leave this car. now, how important it is. i'm other, any other countries or any other platforms that can provide these safe space for genuine authentic negotiation of difficult issues? the background relating to china isn't that has been the age of china in the east midland, where the fast or the last 4 b is the 1st 20 years, but i was no peace. the northbrook claimed that the board making progress and it was concerned that gives us the ball or seem to know about the be able to do

anything to jeopardize the demo correct. before i brought the mission, largely open economic director about the emergence of china on the legs. these occur exactly 10 years ago in 2013. but i didn't, she didn't being, and i was the one bed, one brought initiative that later became the bed and all the, the ship, 10 years later died that has allowed them to get this also going to be a major only because clearly in word is you to try it earlier on this guy, not be that it was not familiar with with the ship had not been dappled or wrong, but i did not know that legion the like we didn't but got a job. but the last been yes, i have no get there. jamie is going to have read that makes or maybe it would be me the god forbid each year. and the child, that variable is much more of the, of the chinese up which is quite different from that of the americans. the american

abroad is to have a very strong, maybe 3 branches that you do. i do have friends rather than meet at the office to be interviewed and would it be covered by the probate dreamforce? i would say if the new lady frankly, that go with the law for be a, since the end of the or more i would say to you, then the right. this dates have left the legion bolt, the shifter, the what the chinese offer is something quite different. the only way if i may be a trim order to waste time, huge of border keeping the week of solve your problems can be stored by countries, only truly engagement with each other. well, the chinese goal is all for the offices and then the email sales and garbage dialogue and the, the, the was the word hardly be in this they got,

they look forward to being brokers. they are engaging dialogue between people and standing by a loading goal, yet they've disagreements. he has not been by that. the indeed with the views of, of chinese have lead themselves and again victor box or disagreement and therefore have bid them serves guided developing success clearly be try china is a reputation as a piece builder or as a mediator has received a significant boost. but uh, there are also some provisions economic provisions in this deal, for example. amazing is trying to encourage saudi or rage iran to, uh, conduct any uh, by lead stroll, trade deals uh, being denominated in you on you've got the cost to pass. what do you think is going to be the significance of that both for the, the countries involved and perhaps even broader? that is at steve's at the amazing stage i made this, i believe i have already see the number of reports from baby

a source is indicating that being 3 z dash gym or using your y or any other non bought a barcode transactions. every comes through that, you know, the flush really big green because the lag does dance, it would be nice to have missed your dollar under god. did you need that? the sanctions, the board up all need to be here. you need that 3rd with drawer from the new get agree with the green sanction they bought. when you ball would understand the country, it does seem as a cross miss your or their daughter. if you have a st. jude, i would say, agree will very frankly, it can take any more. st just won't be a medic used it. taking advantage always by 9 to date as globally and it made it the bible study for the rest of the community participate in the same. ready and that has been that this

a junk did the device no community live number. oh god needed in the rest asia as well as the bar. so beach. yeah. i'd seriously concerned that this kind of will be that the grossly unfair act should, can be big. and i guarantee that already they all are against any trailer or against any of the example. let's not move. they only sent them the room as well that and yet, and again, as i hear so confused, odd kids are you can already see that be chinese by a lot of a lot of the android in the a heads up 10 should advise me that i should be despite the sanctions, i'm eli and china india. i'd like you to build up or leave a girl, make the visits to kind of things that have been i'm fairly targeted by the american only or a column dropping 5 inches tall. i'd like you to look for other options now i, investor, i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think the americans had tend to view these defines of the universal policy as

an ideological will they like to portrayed as a sort of a battle existential battle between a head democracy and a talk receives. but from what you're saying at the countries, i do not know that out of any idea of logical or recent, per se, but there is simply pursuing that common sense it go. if not survivalist interest, do i understand you correctly, that it's not so much and acts of defying the americans as simply, you know, following your own path and doing what's, what's good for you without necessarily trying to steal something from others. we dollar respect to the american policy makers in washington, dc, their business or, or a baby, and lives a democratic gad, he has no conviction workshop. nobody in the world believes in it for the americas . are you with us, or argue against that? that is the legal, it doesn't matter what you will remember that in there by the americans have been

the strongest of all the hot by the tired south africa, or 20 baby of the gmc imagine the baby guy in africa or party dave, you ready? limited. yeah, so i am not impressed with this early. it is, it is when people considered, but during the description we are looking for depth with them as you know, neither china nor did i share nor india, nor did i already went by. you decide you linked up on liability of a new or what we have been as you dipping over the last 20 years. i'll show you that you're looking at what is the border that going to be update? yeah. same, please see, you didn't order the american book. jeff, we have seen you a large number of countries every month on the words page. they have that all mean says and, but they're all good. they have the priorities, the workers, the pain, the option all day long bought in partners deep bought jo best basically. i think you should,

that comes with your she in the context of the bought in your green. hardly any because we had supported the american agenda or the walker's the lives that are all the baby, any of them or them hardware, expedited be back because the were to believe we, i mean by the board where we have our right big room does vision is the guy who made the mistake as well as methods each. now that the device, okay, well, i'm about to do it. we have the right and obligation right now to take a little break, but it will be back in just

a few moments state you in the the welcome back to all the parts, but tell me so smart, induced foreman, bassett, or to saudi arabia lasted there before the break we were talking about how various countries finally have the results and perhaps the necessity to pursue that own uh, national interest um, being the concept of multiple a world not as

a necessarily ideal logic color defines to the united states, but simply out of uh, their own interest them, i heard you say before the, the us as answer to that changing world order has been the new cold water, which i have to say in ukraine, turned into a hot or do you think that will help the americans to hold onto those so called leadership and i'm not asking for a moral judgment here. do you think that's a good strategic decision to pursue confrontation? read the russia as a way of sort of holding onto the um, to the benefits that they have been sustaining is of western board western leg work order. and the days of us in june would be our in fact word order is now that will be more. do you see your 3 is the last at the desk, put it at the by the americans. and if you will,

west the light that they have to do, but it's the dry totally being that court order. something must be didn't order that has no relation with the the word as g. i want to be no point in this regard. but when building dead shore, bbc, america would be less charlottesville, football, and in the word. okay, extraordinary violent said damage that they get really get their own. we have to be looking at 20 years after the beat you out for the or short mode that may be the simply the database that'd be american. they did a kind of stuff. we are bore officially, that hall for 1000000 people would have kids there during the american occupational countries in the band this time and you've got about that is the reason why that is what the thinking did a deal there has to be that i use the other countries they are not claiming to pop our data,

but they are getting that service degree off in the west. and i'm seeking are the ones that more does that provide these changes? the book is very book keeping you there or more border is boxy, and active. it'd be, can it be hard again, the problem might be fuller, would it be harder to get or beans or video? yeah, you'll get the same diag, walbridge and organ. i vision air bags and dig into the origin marine level vision and know what it is by them and do deep level of them both media environment that by one of each of them, rather using owners, fluid dynamics on the be answer for all of its own logic, i'm going to make one more point that i the approval and that is just for the time being showed in west european countries have locked in for the american edge. and it is that's of game that we're getting. we have have been visiting market, taking

a lot of data from water. you agree and germany agree me. when hundreds of videos of products have the words that makes i did this in many of those several folk. i'm friendship. point one, point me, dan, who imagine the job would be coming, subordinate would be a medical agenda in see if i work 10 years by daniel imagine from remaining subordinate to the american event that i have jeff, i really lost her bank because of its insecurity resolve. each i look at, oh yeah, oh yeah, you're not really good join the rest, the lines that go to china as well. so therefore i'm suggesting to the board to she as a, when this or around the americans. i really that, i mean, live or cool in a n t bridge. i and there's lots of data. can i ask you about that? because this is something that's be, is being discussed in russian circles

a lot. namely, what you mentioned, whether we can imagine a re on germany or france, remain on the, the american uh, control or the american can for the next 5 to 7 years. but if we look at the nationally elite of those countries, most of them are watson, educated, that, that level of expertise, or that level of knowledge, even of the basic european history, seems to be very, very limited. what makes you believe that something go happened then those the great european nations that will provide the kind of leads that will be more, it's not more sir. different guns the, the americans, but then at least a little bit more independent than minding the old interest is a difficult question for me belong, show. we don't or equal french. i have as a long pro magic cabollero 37 years. i had been up the board at the extent of 11 in western countries,

particularly invest in europe and united states really got to be this chain that guy, joe. and the diamond mixed ability. could either be all countries in africa and asia and lived in america. even menu of their sole or dish birch the actual and in the leg looking they are full of gold. measurement is big that they've been seen that the same should requirement over diplomacy as well as all or all subject. the only 3 is that you must move in your, in the top that is coming to you want to know what is and you didn't get more of a do much more walk out of their priority then into your full cause you read your really chris, your wor priority you have, you have released your particularly be a very give the be an exemption, and then you will need to be put into what the other board or it will be american believe that both american video bets are born of watch movie news. yeah,

i'm out for that guy and i be of america that they just don't read your boards a. so yes, we have a problem, but each of the they're marked something that you can get a goal where people are looking and you will have small leads where looking only at their own exists the bad memory care may be believe in warning letter to g m motorcycle the same 3rd more worried about their future. and therefore yes, there is a certain lens that can be in the these and that are all that i know and active what we are leaving. so we are leaving corvette, they're leaving to a good hold on, should it be? i want to ask you a specific question about, uh, energy and nothing much energy, but rather, uh, saudi arabia and utilize your norm as expertise in that area. easily even more striking than uh, china is recent success, be the saudis intention to as a result,

to go the own way. because for many years the saudis positioned themselves as a staunch american l. and yep, if we actually look at the recent statements and the recent moves, for example, the commitment to the a park closet deal, that refusal uh, to sell oil 2 countries that introduce price caps on oil, including uh, you know, that's the measure that is forced by the by the west, you know, it seems the dye foreign policy is far more independent and far more actually inward looking then at any of the countries that uh you know, surround the west at this point of time. absolutely. right. you know, a range, you know, part of the word game as a surprise to west of government data is because it was for me to be in that logic . he's got a surprise for us. we never hear. i have to watch. so the, at a b i, you barble, would it be the adult i?

yes, they've talked themselves about another, they had a smaller population of apartment b in preston, medium florida. and that they did not have a very strong, medium printed issue. they bought the american vet, but as i've had no intention of using when you started, she did change. did attempted to engage with daughter, daughter jones busy day, and she actually, larry, did the district job went in with these? yeah. when the guys would be americans being seen of st. you in a deeper way dish and started the process or live the some of the rules in my b like boy e as yeah. you're also one of the what your degree model i had heard because it's one to confirm china. you will need to all the, which i made. you will need to lead time i gave you the village. they go cuz i remember the so j the v b were blue, there is yeah, the blood work,

the visions baby bad. they're bad. the beginning. the 2nd, well, the new, clear, agree, lou, or we'd be of that means i didn't buy when the region was that you did then of already allowed you them. it concerns or maybe 3 that you order obama goals you'd be via an agreement with outcome sort of thing. any of them, the 3rd or the media to banner from the stand goal between the width and the same general and the idea of and that our best bet brought g a back on the boys. but if you order beads and then the item is pro, well the know me this american big drawers from i was at this time from which me sole. and it was meant to they might be does or how they had back then. but i'm from vietnam or adult years ago that same back the or a brand giving you and i like backing up in the audi. i remember, i mean go a lot as you get the region, the bed, the less than really event. and then the like that now the new world order has come . we cannot depend on be americans as security provided,

all got it that we need to look at a square demo gene, particularly to provide that's the, the just, it says i have come of age. so the user believes are probably be any people, but i don't washington dc. i bought the paper, i pad is in button and there's no user be i've been watching this happen for such a wrong pain. this tends to be 3. and the same problem though, but the best of, or maybe there is a also very inspiring messaging on the 1st of all the fact that it's not only the americans, but any other country in the world that has a sense of its own manifesto. destiny. and the right to pursue it on its own terms and in the front of the relationship with the others. and the 2nd good news is that credibility is not something that comes as a birthright you, you actually have to earn if you actually have to treat others as you're yourself, want to be treated. and i think that's the basis of all major philosophical and

religious schools. menus be called manifest destiny. it reminds us on the green hornet or the one that is it may be that is a big gabby and the white man's burden. you will get the mass murder, the general, a site that because you know, in the name of, to be lazy should be white, being out of the entire, maybe in the community. there maybe can be a community then be wiping the institutionalization of slavery. they don't the nation window of a lot of our most orro, pci in africa, the patient during colonialism and to be going to be like vision of ready for that . any that is not acceptable, but it's actually not just and we should never remember all of us having to deal with that. it is a matter into that i would just list depression menus, beautiful dancing, realizing we should be with say, we live 5000 a year before any of them fall and see me live vision. the important issue i've outbreak that we have particularly as a year,

but uh when we hear of these people are as it is that are both then his arms and m like full warning light the as be called this utilizing vision. me savvy? yes. oh to betsy realizing mission had meant mass murder. absolutely, and you know, i was interviewed former, produced on a prime minister and, but i'm signing. and he said that the, you know, one of the worst rested use of colonialism is the nation start to believe that colonial letter to themselves. and i think in a sense what we've been discussing today is that many of those countries, i'm finally ready to read themselves from all those narratives. and to recognize that there's something inherently good and valuable and charitable in their own history, in the own national path. and indeed, in that old manifest destiny because you know, all the nations in the world have something special, something unique to offer. even the international environment supports that. unfortunately, we have to end up here. i'm, as i said, great, the owner then briefly inspired by this conversation. thank you very much. thank you. it's

a great pleasure for me. thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on world's a part of the the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills and is it just because it shows you fractured images,

presented to this? but can you see through their illusion going underground can the, the day refuses to extend a twilight, so mediation mission from the un. yeah. the union, the positive across the rest of the intervention, parts of the neighboring law. the goals for outside the house not to get into the pit ready to go and attack a sovereign country. that's a new sheree and problem and is up to need yet to solve. it is not up to africa to intervene us and says he's opposite. opposite uh frames to send the joint to that, to, to my fun questioning the president's policy on the confidence progress . all right, hold the visa span was the construction of