tv Interview RT August 10, 2023 1:30pm-2:01pm EDT
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is the, the for the to see you. so the new lincolns agents light in modern mall mall century, been by a business from them. and they, in this, with the community certainly between the 2 benefits. yes. so making money us out of the supply, benson, i'm a nation and honestly the various countries it's been almost half a century in coming, but just hours from now russia will bloss off to the moon file. preparations are on the way for a mission of satellite rock. it will take 5 days to reach, luna, all but and around another week until it touches down on the moon, south pole. the mission will studies full samples and for the possibility of 1st of all, to use the shape uh once it all unfold the lump sum i said to and most of the time in the meantime is when looking back at the history of mankind's exploration of the great deal. the the
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bushes history and space is a story punctuated by determination. genius as 1st soviet launch of sputnik one satellite, the 1st man made object or but earth in october, 1957, marked the beginning of mines, physical interaction with the customer, followed and august 19. 64. the successful launch of a pair of the male dogs built and struck into space on a spacecraft named voss stuffed a long before neil armstrong walked on the moon. the soviets reached it with its groundbreaking luna program with the lunar pro becoming the 1st human object to reach the moon. with a crash near the sea of serenity. on september 14th 1959. and of course,
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god chiron, amount that needs no introduction. the 1st amount of space proud russian forever immortalized in the history of space travel with a saloon of $25.00 that we've come, 7000 kilometers east of moscow to watch being launched into space in a dramatic search for water on the surface of the moon. and when you get up close to these vice machines, you realize just how much goes into a project of this scale or rushes, luna? 25 mission is getting underway proper here device. so use a $2.00, b rock as to being pulled by a huge diesel engine from its hung or towards its launch point. the scale of this operation in every aspect is absolutely remarkable. the distance is the size and the power of this rock at $300.00 tons, including fuel. of course the for the record on the ground, but tell us $300.00 ton saturn to rock it into orbits is absolutely immense. and
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the scale of that effort is evident all around us here. ever expanding versus duction you customer drove, says of scientists, engineers and workers taking pride in the team, effort the yet again, to make rushes latest for a to the moon, a big success. the infrastructure required for the launch is vast. we've traveled here, it's taking a lot of time to get here, but it's been well worth it. as you can see beside me, this a huge machine, 300 tons. when fully fueled with launch the loo and a 25 mission to the surface of the moon, this mission is incredibly important. it's been some time since russia is headed for the surface of the moon. but this mission aims to get there just prior to their bricks ally and fred india, who's also pursuing the same goal. the goal is to find water on the lunar surface. an incredibly difficult thing to do as the south pole of the lunar surface is very
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on even very rough, but the russian engineers who put thousands of mine or is it to this project behind me, are confident that they can get there is confusing that service and exceptional future of our russian launch pad is a movable service tower that enables personnel to have an immediate access. well preparing the launch vehicle for life tough. it protects those staff members from the harsh clay many conditions of the animal region. of course, when it comes to space travel, nothing stud still. russia certainly isn't with the construction of a vast launch site on the start to the cause of the drum, for the massively powerful and got a rocket system. and like everything else around here, the scale is absolutely astounding. here we are a top the launch pad, the launch structure for the anger rock. it rushes, the latest and most innovative, and most advanced rockets just a long time in development. but now is going to become the center piece of russia's
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space program. a heavier rock is able to launch in force, huge payloads through the, or it's on the sphere into outer space. this past structure will allow russia to deliver bigger, heavier payloads into space and allow it to work with friendly nations of their own space programs without having to rely on any 3rd country to provide the essential infrastructure. being built here at plus duction allows you can see that infrastructure is indeed massive this brand new airport here invest start, you need to complement the new elements of the cosmo drum here is vast in itself. as you can see behind me a brand new terminal building, which would be open to the civilian population of the surrounding regions, benefiting them as has the, a huge amounts of work unemployment created here. so as russia slides comfortable with the forward into space, this new independent clause withdrawal would ensure rushes place as
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a leader and space is an affinity to security, rely on its own valuable expertise. and though an entirely rushing customer drove to support as well. the scale of russia's ambition when it comes to space is defined by the scale of this fast structure, which is emerging from the forest here and rushes far east. a testament to the scale of scientists, engineers, and the ordinary workers. those of whom are working around the clock here to complete this very, very important piece of infrastructure for russia's space program. this vast piece of infrastructure cents a method to rush you far for being on our knees. she's on our feet and she's reaching for the stars shape bows for start, you need for or t last can you purchased the purch his own m. p. 's us a store. not. com. with that i'm moving back from a couple of them. the, the,
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the, the company that i live domestic needs before we start talking about what your father accomplished. i'd like to address the accusation that been, bella was a dictator. if you look back through all of these years, was he really a dictator of identities and what the lead and you're not that is met then bella was by no means of dictates that that's what it other than when he was such and then never dictates in him, he was very democratic for you and she believed very strongly that women should be independent and free. and this was very important to me. my mother, his wife, was a well known generalist. none so have you the uh huh. was shots gift views. yes, trotsky. yes. she found his aust about the struggle between stalin and trotsky for the main thing was lost and i think we can see bed whether i had been bella was
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a dictator and not for the 3 years. he wasn't power and i'm not sure how can we call him and dictates a he was trying to build the country, tory, how we of course, my father made some political decisions that were not i was a student by many people at the time, but there was no other choice them. yeah, that's which decisions, for example, decisions on whom to phone call lucian's, with initial term and with whom it was the country's best interest to for a long time size country on the path of destruction after the friendship and into infinity. of course, the perilous page says we call them the european states and from student belief algeria could leave without them came out. of course, they tried to homo junior in nap re possible way through. how does your father live out his last days in the fall? the live to now teary and his final days just to child a lot was chairman of the panel of the wise in the african union. and he was busy and travel developed, trying to establish interact for can relations especially with respect to
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controversial issues. consenting, walter results is that was part of his main work. his other job was a leader of non governmental organization related to the un, the assembly of the south. he also house president, beautifully catalog and the shelf national reconciliation. he was very busy despite his age, how many kind of a i knew who a model who was also famous for smiling, getting a whole but sure. yes, he was a very small, it pester, you could say smile never left his face, man, very smiley, very sociable you. he left last very much. he loved to read it quick. you read 3 books a week. uh, we hope we will see. love to music. i was wondering if it was a life love and pass, and he said that he spent almost 25 years in prison, but that failed to change him. so she, instead of decision 25 years among his enemies, might as well tell me as with his am perilous and colonialist enemies and 15 with people there on close to him with his old julian browsers and from the city. and
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it's not civic, we will return to the story a little later. i mean, i'm it, ben. bella never wrote a memoir. it was that on principle, the fewest categorically gaps that i tried to pass you at him. so yes, i tried to pass, he had him to write down his memories on condition that they would only be published off to 20. 50 or 60. yes ma'am, but he was categorically against it. when he said he was not the ones who tried the cause of history and that he couldn't write about himself, he said it was a matter for academics a few months after and jerry is declaration of independence. he visited the rock and tried to speak to a large gathering of people, get him at 10, but his arabic let him down and he almost cried. the, the incident was captured on film. but after that, he began to speak arabic, perfectly. have that to how to be effective. what does it look like? he didn't know airbag and had difficulty learning. it you headed out?
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i'd be, i'd say, i let my bizarre. oh, but 1st of all, there were no arab schools in algeria, as all the schools were french, harrison was felt in french can. you could only find arrow, they can books or writers who had started the koran for many years. he attended schools attached to mosque and local self governmental bodies. uh, yeah. some of these schools in secondary schools there was only french and there was no are they could told to do the learn arabic and so here on to prison. unfortunately, his spelled the best 7 years of imprisonment and sole treaty in solitary confinement. so if you have some solar tre consignments in guards highest the way the only book that he was allowed to have was the crown. perhaps look, you rather memorized it, which does improved his arabic had, is that we should be grateful to the curriculum that he was allowed to have disappeared and can't even when it is improved his knowledge and comprehension of the language and allowed him to memorize the text by how many more half of if we
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compare then belle is condition of imprisonment in the french and al jerry and prisons in the prison of enemies. and the prison of his brothers was the attitude towards him about the same job either come down to this question because i was in bone and a french prison, a lead for me. i was born and of jerry and prison as i think there are differences . what differences i don't know exactly what the differences with what i would say they existed was he imprisoned a poor under house arrest? look and miss g was imprisoned in a cell in the military guards house. 5 young julians into the ship. the soon as you know, jerry, it wasn't a place called the way to pay a 2nd to ask if it was a guard house at the military base. a dan, a military base landman. and he was getting funded in a cell which he could not live some photos that was only allowed to half hour work . a few years later, there was a god who watched him and brought him food. and he,
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this was a range so that he couldn't talk in would lose his mind. go mad for cinco law. he didn't know. what did your father tell you, how does he manage to maintain his fantasy as well? i think my father was very religious and what did they use? you have very strong space and no luck and very strong that he always had home. when he leaves on these hub, all of his lives can ice my m as blue left. even in his photo days, he had hope and amazing patients for the specially strong space. and then when i said, was your father married when he was sent to the french prison? and later to the l julian prison, she had to kill them with, as always, you know, the wedding stories. very interesting. beautiful and romantic little minds he is. and then uh, my father got married when he was in prison. uh well, what was left of 70 is he had the right to dates. can you uh, he was visited uh, getting in the french prison. no. and they'll jerry in prison. he didn't get married to him. he was in the french prison since he got married. when he was over
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50 years old. she was quite occupied to adel to you and revolution. he married the revolution. he married the revolution as did betray him. like eas said that it took a hell that's complicated to i don't agree with you, man. so the revolution put him in jail, just like the french did. yes, the revolution put him in jail, but they brought the sod mode to blame for that. then the revolution, it wasn't the revolution that put him in jail. some of the faces of the revolution . by the way, how was his marriage made possible? it was entitled to one visit the months. how easy is it easily once he was visited by a friend of his and his wife out or did my father's mother was still alive back. so i mentioned that to she wanted to see how son get married. so i hit him and he just sloughed adults. that was my grandfather visited him every 15 days to just do the conditions where just go because the prison stuff as wasn't very nice for you. but that was the situation in the prison. but my friend's wife jokingly told my father
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that she would find him a bride says she was friends with my mother, suffer, salome. she was the same as gentlest with a french language held during newspaper revolution. after con, she lean towards trotsky ups to use and didn't like my father and his politics very much as well as your mother. my mother was almost against him politically. no, but my friends told her, i'm taking you on a date with ben bella. she managed to bring her over to the barracks to put them are. they talked for an hour and there was chemistry. she was allowed to met him 3 times. and after the set time they asked for marriage and a nice getting president obama deanna agreed can. she must be crazy. he said, let him direct him and live with him in the barracks, then shall left him, if 70 yes of soul chicken farm and didn't drive him crazy. so no one can be crazier than his wife. the wife will come and live with him for as a 2 days a month, and then he will go mad,
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but he's less stays with him for 7 years. a matter of um to is allowed to leave the barracks once a month to visit the family. after the marriage, they gave my father a 2nd room, so they have to do a wonderful day to my mother to and half of the bathroom. and so the kitchen when it, um, one of the rooms was a bedroom. and then when i was born, they gave us the said room, one of which became the living room alone, or she was allowed to have books there. so you are the 1st child. yes, i was born in the barracks and lived there until was 5 and a half years old. i'm 16. i was allowed to walk around the barracks mostly. i was applied to one day a week of the soldiers who were eaten assessment kind of food. i liked and i would go eat with them and it was the other days of the week. i was rude. you 8 with soldiers? yes, but the soldiers queen and you were polite on the days when they served food that you liked. i like setting dishes. yes. i was rude with never. those were inside. so you were hostile is very hostile. yes. we were loose from the prison when i was 5
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and a half years old. but the 4 year relieves to have the house, the rest in the town of my cell. and it was the 1st time when my father finally got to see all the people. and i'm nice people could come and visit him, but he couldn't go outside. now, throughout the year and $5000.00 or $6000.00 people came to visit him every day. and then he was completely released. one year later we left cells uria. my father decided not to go back to the country. did you go to france? hold on so fast, we went to france to create to the of the policy and the movement of democracy in algeria to assess the chevy the he also found it out by the a great magazine issue have had about a mile. i know it was the shop now. yes. out, but deal with the course. and when he was in france after being released from the brothers prison, he began his international in arabic activities within 11 friends for a long time. we stayed there for no more than 18 months and then you move to geneva
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. yes, we moved to geneva since the old year and so it puts a lot of pressure on us and they demanded that i sent them. bella lee from so were left for switzerland, suite of switzerland exception on the $10.00, and then he began his political activities. let's talk about it then bellas efforts and whatnot. but what did he do? what efforts did he make? i mean, what are the highlights for lift you? how long did you want to get to the low to the less in america, in the arabic? well, so what a lot of the there are things that we can talk about send those that are classified to video. there are also things that i don't know about. among the things that we can talk about there is, i think the fact that your father played a role or wanted to play a role in helping your rock avoid the disastrous more of 1991 when iraq invaded kuwait. but after that, the usa and their allies brought together around half
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a 1000000 troops to make iraq pull out of quail. and the rest is history. the that was the beginning of the end of the really rock. well, could we talk about that in detail? there is little information, but my father is unknown model for model. some people know about it. my father had visited iraq. frequently. he had to a certain extent, a very close relationship with set down his same to mal law, have messy on him. so my father got a cold from roland duma, who was foreign minister on the president funds. so i me to run this. so if you wanted my father to talk to said, i'm say you don't do much. he asked him to help it away. my father, once you rock can president set on who's st promised my father to withdraw from grace. so my father called roland to mine from the suite my father was in they'd rocks when the talk to wrong and they received a phone call about set them withdrawing. yes, to be attacked on the next day. that was in february 1991. yes, my father was with saddam. oh my gosh, i've not
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a when you nothing about him for 2 weeks or it is just law. yeah. there was only able to leap through wrong with the help of the iraq his through iran would. i can . yes, but he wasn't a rock when the last the attack against it of the french coal, the americans, hamilton found that saddam had promised my father to leave iraq. no. so the americans have our would never be okay with that blended to where they can then how many can they would have continued the offensive and, and the circumstances whether saddam would pull out of kuwait to not. and i mean, of course, they came with half a 1000000 troops armed to the fullest of the sadly had been bellow, saddam hussein roland do mount and make 2 rounds has passed away the truth and took many secrets with them. maybe the european party is still keeps its secrets the lives. yes. right. there are kaiser their archives documentation and
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freedom of speech patrolling. do you my didn't to play a role in trudy's didn't was he wasn't playing a role against iraq, the layout. so they told the american step saddam was leaving most of dumps is having fun and see what they can afford. so i'm on the same day with my father told them. sure. do you remember what date less? no, no, i can't remember a no can. yeah, i mean, i only recall i was with my mom and we talked to him over the phone to the phone when you've talked to him while he was in baghdad. yes, he was in both dogs, them and then communication was gone. 2 days later, the woman that is in 2 days when the talks are wrong, that is 2 days before the attack. you yes, 2 or 3 days to place, you know? yes. in the run of the invasion of iraq, that is early in the 3rd millennium, and we'll see the diet. did your father have the strength to play that role that you can feed those to have the sets in a row communicating with lots of european political sake as seen and it will be in,
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you know, can you talk to them that's, i'll be home. do you have communication with saddam hussein and we'll try because these are my mothers, these confused. okay. did many things, but unfortunately for them to have the efforts were not successful. he also knew many arab leaders didn't he? they, i that's how that'd be. okay. not, not a can. yes, he has great relationships with monica now. see, it shouldn't then get it, but it was the when i now the latest, but they passed away before him. i couldn't see a gene or they can, a mazda move to a full. yes, they passed away before him in most our big countries he was treated with great respect them all levels. it'd be the speaking of brotherly relationships with arabic countries for and how to be, what was ben bell as attitude towards morocco and mother? were there any problems in their relationship back then?
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no, no, no, just hold the 9 to 6 days. there was a slight problem who is has some of the 2nd, but my father had the dream of the crate that are big, small groups. yeah. new americans are blogs, brothers, west very close, both gold trillion historically menu americans and l. gerry ems has mix. finally, as well, one country. yes, he dreamed about the great arabic monk press father came back, but he had great relationship with ken mohammed, the statesman, who to a large extent, helped belgian or in revolutions to the area of the mall. of do not, sir, was silvia unions. number one, ally in africa. it was also a great liable tyria. yes, algeria too, did you father see him as an ally of the soviet union? much in the same way she had been to the soviet union and is that correct? yes, he did visit the ussr and he was very much out of it with him. of the minds you pushed for both economic and military partnership between the 2 countries. got
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a lot of kids that absolutely can do this. use chung good to us economically, socially, politically, what he's friendship with russia was nothing based on having to call them. and the main use of the could just truly loved the russians and had no fear. so your father returned. tell jerry when political life got revitalized and multi party politics squared introduced? correct. yes. did you come back to start a new already? know he already had this policy, so he wants to reorganize it from within the yes one where it's on sale, jerry. yeah, he's spotty was a radiant major player. there was some issues with the is with us. and my father felt that the overall well being of the country was more important than the interest of just one policy. so he gave it up, and joan the effort to watch national and reconciliation, them 10 are to with some painful years of not necessarily i should i didn't. oh yeah. you have some fortunately those 10 years they were bloody telemundo. not only
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will the bloods eat their words, savage states, and for entire generations, no food would then hold people's minds for families. for the lovely herds to the middle. as you, willow, said t as in one decade. what role would you say your father played in the national reconciliation move him? imagine one as long as several stripes from this lofty movement to more than this change of islam, all had trusted him supports of his views and the president both if they could reach out to my father. i have conversations with him. see many agreements between the elements and my father were reached and i was very house enough to that president would just like i carried out his plan for national reconciliation. if you attended the russia, africa summit and st. petersburg. and now you're here in moscow to some of the participants of the forum, our children and grandchildren of african leaders and revolutionaries. so would you consider forming a union warrant association of some sort together? no, but to assist as a month. and so we do need something like that. however,
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instead of being political in nature, it should be more of a cultural association. so it goes to tackle social issues in humanitarian asia. so it could improve africa's image globally and bring the africans close together. yeah. and then, after all, as a continental, africa should represent all of its people as a single entertainment on african must be stronger in order to express in our own way, our independence, our identity and culture. do you expect the children and grandchildren of african leaders to join you? do you expect any of good off these relatives to join? you know, they took a dusky and i hope they would need from them, hopefully ducks or ration dr. so you could also, you would join us, so the rest of the group has to be on that side. so that's a fairly time. we'll see that yes. and if that happens to the children of leaders, whose countries were devastated by the arrogant colonizers would have done in my diet,
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will be able to claim their rights as representatives of these ravaged countries to restore justice on behalf of their fathers, patrice lumber, and more and more good off you were brutally murdered, treated like criminals, but even a criminal should stand trial 1st. if good off, you committed crimes in his own country. he should have been brought to trial in a fair libyan court. not face and need a lynch mob. the president, remember, committed no crimes against his own people. he fought for his people's independence for freedom. why? but he was murdered in cold blood. in american intelligence agencies shot down the plain of the un secretary general dog, how my shoulder, who wanted to find a solution to the congo problem. because it was not in america's interest to have the matter solved to know. cuz we still see this american french colonial brutality across the globe. shouldn't these dogs be brought to justice?
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and it is our rights, the rights of all african arab asian, unless american countries out of to demand compensation for these crimes and little difficult. but that, that we well as loud, sue one said it was a journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step. if your mother were alive, she would have liked that saying she would have loved it inside. she'd have been so inspired by it. she might have started to protest, in any case, we're really happy to see you in moscow around the corner of the end about st. petersburg and st. petersburg, the city is like an outdoor museum. i hope that future segments focus even more on the african continent of the one, a willing the,
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