unhealthy crowds have been burning slayers waving flags and chanting in a show of anger against a potential changes to the judicial system. the reforms will hand the government, the right to appoint judges and also limit the powers of the supreme court. if past any ruling by the court could be overturned by a parliamentary majority, that's a rep for now, but say to him, for a deep discussion on the potential connection between social conflicts around the world and individuals themselves. the conversation next, some worlds of heart. thanks for watching jungle park, the, [000:00:00;00]

the hello and welcome to wells a far as, as above. so below this principle, essential to many ancient belief systems are almost forgotten in this day and age postulates that social conflicts will inevitably find a reflection in our individual soul. and vice versa, our daily joys and struggles, invariably shaped, besides just believing. would that be mine at heart? what can truly make the world a better place or to discuss it? i am now joined by adoption and wise professor of psychology and merits at the university of hilton dance and co officer of restoring the kingship, 12 year professional, non rice. it's great to talk to. thank you very much for your time. thank you for having me. now as a psychologist,

i'm sure you've been dealing primarily with the microcosm of, of a human soul. but we live in such precarious times uh that i wanna start with the back of the question. because social sciences claim that to be no more than we ever knew about the nature of the human condition about what makes human human. and yet, if we look around us, we tend to be on the precipice of so many potential catastrophes from ecological to, to nomic. to you, well, so we're going nuclear. what, how do you explain that? how deep but wide you're seeing that is, but i think we've become a civilization, a global civilization that re relies on disconnection. and so that starts from early life. when babies are treated with disconnected, thus they as, as they're more likely she has or plans rather than

a growing dynamic beings. and then the continues with schooling that ignores their hearts and tuition development, their embodied wisdom of living in the universe and, and pushes them into the intellect or the thinking mind. and then adults think that's the way humans are. the reason is the, you know, and we'll, that's all you need. and so then we have a whole system of sets of systems that focus on analyzing that way of being in this thing that our whole heritage is about connectedness and connectedness to self connectedness to others. connected to the natural world and when you're disconnected and have this kind of on a look or perspective of, of, you know, subject versus the objects. you're going to be destructive because you have no sense, no hard to know relational awareness of what you're doing. now i think all human

societies across history have tried to find and the balance between dignity, in connection with man, you know, the individual and the connect, the collective between an individual soul and the whole. and i think many cultures have different answers to that. even now, when you say when i, when you referred to modern societies, do you mean the entire universe or, you know, old countries all cultures or do you mean somebody in particular as well? i know i'm referring to the well civilization in general. what we call western civilization, which is sort of dominated world. and it's the, you know, from the enlightenment perspective of just detaching from responsibility relational responsibility. but our, our, we have, we still have societies that operate on our end,

social needs and relational connection orientation. so i study nomadic forgers, and they, we, we spent 99 percent of our history in this kind of society and only one small percentage of the last one percent of our existence. so we gone in this very crazy direction in the same direction where we were not attending to the effects of our actions or, and then focusing on, on thinking the thinking mind and controlling. that's very counter to the way the dynamic living world works. now, are you suggesting your book that this is primarily the function of the ego? that is, it is a ego centric world that tries to control everything. and i think of a lucian naturally makes science because uh the world is insecure and

the enlightenment civilization or the enlightenment era try to sort of extol the as you know, the beauty of consciousness or the development of consciousness. but uh, i agree with you totally that that is done. so add the cost of inter related this down connection to something that is being curved then at the eagle or something that i think you called the pervasive fly force. other people are referred to as god, we can describe it as the universe, but that sounds off and you know that there's something bigger than equal, that actually exist. i mean, and matter fact that solving the world, why do you think the western civil sewell ization as soon determined as doing away with that? because one thing i would point out is that in many cultures, the russian chinese, many asian cultures, indian culture, you know, there is a huge respect for something like god and it's seen as life sustaining. and yet it's in many of the western countries where the believe in something bigger than

new is seen as almost infant tile or yeah, so, so thinking mind in miguel chris talks about the, the to house of the brain and the left hemisphere, which is what we've been emphasizing in the western civilization is unable. what if you look at damage brains or if you know one side of the brain or the other, you find that the left brain is this is what we see in our civilization dominant civilization today. it's the, the disconnectedness, the treating, the world like a set of objects that's all it knows how to do. and my work focuses on how we treat young babies. and when we treat them with disconnectedness, when we don't respond to their needs, we leave them to cry, we leave them alone. we don't carry them around all day long, which is what they need to grow. well, because they're selling mature, they're like fetus is of other animals to about 18 months of age. and so they need, their needs met immediately to build the connectedness though, because their brains are selling a tour,

only 25 percent of adult size or volume at birth typically. so when we miss, treat them, which i call under care, we don't provide the evolved nest our ancestral species, normal way of raising kids. you're now going to pre, you're breaking, you're stressing, you're traumatizing, the child, you're breaking connection. they don't grow what's supposed to be growing, and then they have to build this big ego in order to protect themselves from all that pain and from the disregard, the disrespect that they experience. and so then you have all these adults who are really are arrested development and they're more like toddlers or children because they never got their needs met. and they, they still are searching restlessly to meet those that gap in their heart that a gap in their spirit. okay. professor, can i um, are give it to you here

a little bit because i think most school of thoughts recognize that it's impossible to become a fully functioning individuals without being traumatized in some way or a shape. i mean, even in the most loving families, kids get traumatized and so i would argue that it's a, you know, it's an indelible part of human condition. i know you believe that many western societies operate on these a trauma inducing perspective, but it's a fuel argument also doing that in a way. because if you only focus on what has been done to you as a child, rather than what you can do to yourself for yourself as an adult, to get and becoming especially stuck in the trauma as well, right? so you need to work on healing yourself as much as possible, but there are sensitive periods for different aspects of brain development, general biological development that pass. and if you haven't received the nurturing care at the time,

you're going to not be as strong in those elements. and so then when you reach adolescence, for example, you will have depression anxiety because the gap sabrin because it's developing still. now if you, it's a parent, things are built correctly and so things start to fall apart under stress. so we need as adults to learn how to q ourselves in my book on neurobiology. and the development of human rally has the longest chapter about what to do if you didn't get your needs met as a young child when all these things were being built. for. the reason i'm asking this question because uh, before the war in ukraine, i used to interview a lot of, uh, americans and the american actor. this time they always tries these identity in trouble . my aspect especially manual be black activism, a, it's not that i, i don't value or appreciated their suffering, but i'm absolutely convinced then that we,

we all suffer in our own ways and there are no ones. trauma is more valuable than somebody else's trauma. it's ultimately our responsibility before ourselves to, you know, feed addresses in ways that we can do. and the american uh, approach to it seems to be dealing with it's through. pharmacological means sometimes through, you know, very short analysis. but i wonder if there are any other ideas that you can offer and not only to the americans, but to our global audiences. can you do it? can you give that to yourself without perhaps having a lot of money. all right, let me point out that from the burst to about 6 years old is really a sensitive period and that in that time period, traditionally we provide the needs of the child. we don't traumatized because the trauma that you would steer is

a nose to yours. is really hard to hill and i like what a possible, right? it is comfortable in there. i mean, instances of people doing that. not really. it depends on what it is, is because your immune system is being established at the time. your uh, the way you are in your transmitters work are being established really hard to change those kinds of things. very physiological. most you're meditating for 8 hours a day. so you can do some of the healing. it's those early periods. and one of our most famous psychologists in united states comes from uh, came from us a soviet background. you're a bronson brenner, any noted how when united states children have all these random kinds of experiences growing up. whereas in russia, where he grew up, people love their children, they, they were so kind and even the community would always be responsive to the children that they met. so different in the united states where it's, you know, they're

a pain in the neck, young children, you know, keep them quiet, put them away, don't minimize their needs. so we have this to belong tenderness in the united states. we've exported it now to the world because the multinational corporations and we've then damaged the belief that babies need to be nurtured in care for and loved. and, and so you've got a whole bunch of traumatized people all over the world with post traumatic stress disorder. and that don't know how to, you know, the ways to feel is to build that connectedness. so we each as adults need to learn to listen to see, to honor the presence of one another to actually share our hearts and learn how to do that and be, and spend time together in loving ways. now i think you can also as an adult blame, you know, the way i'm that way because of my trauma. and i think that's now what we want. we

want the huge, the awareness that we come from trauma, there are generational multiple generations of trauma. the europeans who came to the americas were traumatized. they were and you know, they brought it and they, and they, they spread it all over the world now. so we have to go back to understanding how you build a human being properly, how you feel and, and on the ongoing way of relating to others. that's respectful that honors their uniqueness and not treat people like objects. i hope we can discuss more of that after a short break. we will be back in just a few moments station, the, [000:00:00;00] the as a cranes much more over 5 to cover offensive stalls. western leaders have made

a remarkable, rhetorical tippett binding says, proof of his already lost board. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative because a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is windy is untenable. the welcome back to worlds of parks with dawson advice, a professor psychology america at the university of know to adopt and call officer of restoring the can ship world. can you now professor and thereby, so before the break and you were talking about, you know, the need to respect, ah, the trauma without perhaps um, you know, turning it into a cold uh, you know, understanding your difficult history but also claiming some responsibility for uh,

for your health and for your well being and one of the things that, um, i mean um, it's a controversial view, but i think uh whenever i am in the united states, i sometimes feel the trauma is not only sort of uh, supported there. and because of the way of life and there are no perfect society, i would not idolize rush in this regard as well. because i think in this country, the collective factor has been historically stressed at the expense of the individual uh southward. but having said that, i, i open get an impression that in western societies, trauma is being capitalized on. it's sort of being used as a means of, uh, production you know, and in many capitalist, aside as it is something that is seen as a means of making money, you know, using people's trauma, hide checking and making them addictive to certain substances in perpetuating this, this cycle more and more. can you talk about that, you know,

purposeful or purposely creation of new ros this as a means all the bugs, you know, stuff painting, trauma versus you know, authentic grief and you know, facing with your time a face to face. yeah. so that's a common problem in what's called high modernism, this enlightenment, a few old way of looking at the world to try to categorize things and then label them and then control the right. and so it's in psychology, it's in every field, and it is a, it's a problem because once you have a label, then you feel like you have to be that way and you can't get out of it. when you apply labels to young children, they often enter a reputation track and they can't escape. and so they can't really be themselves when they have a live where hate so much of the healthy society treats each person as a unique individual, not as a label, not as a category and honors that unfolding the beauty of that individual work. now,

there is a lot of talking psychological circles about the and the problem of narcissism, and it's called a new been done. and i wonder if narcissism in and of itself is a, as a direct consequence of the enlightenment worldview. because once you sort of only recognize the material world and nothing else uh is, is that something that would foster seeing everything else and everybody else as essentially a functional means to to go whole feldman? my guess my bigger question is about the exclusion of, you know, the bigger is universe from, from being likely to view simply because, you know, there are certain things in this live, the cannot be measured then the, i think the promise of being likely will be, is that if it's not, if it's not measured done, it simply doesn't exist. yes, i agree with you. it isn't an issue. the,

that the ego consciousness only knows itself and the left hemisphere is only wired to know itself. we can't relate to the world. that's what the rate of hemisphere is able to do, and things are more complicated than that. but it's a representation of how we've shifted into one little tiny bit of humanity and then decided that's all there is right. and it's ryan with spears able to connect to the universe to relational empathy and all, and we, when we undermine early childhood development, we are undermining those capacities because that's one of the right hemisphere grows more rapidly that i think one of the reasons the ego is doing that is because it's ultimately insecure, even though it presents to be in control. and this is i think what you call the dominance mindset in your book, the kingship world. here you suggest that, you know, there's certain ways that mode dominance, and then there are other ways to promote wellness and as a student of archetype of psychology,

i'm very tempted to frame it as the king or the one that's king versus big can. my side, can you elaborate on that? why there has to be such and division into black and white into we know lose with nothing in between. oh, well we try to not have that buying airy view of the world. it's the left hemisphere or that you go consciousness that does that right? it's sorts things into one or the other either or whereas life is a dynamic flow. it's a shift and sometimes you need a hierarchy. uh, in some time, most of the time you don't want it in our heritage we, we were fiercely a gal a terry and that's, that's how it's call it. and so there are shifts between things as the rigidity of the civilization or ego consciousness. that is a problem, right? because it's unable to move off of those binary. there is a major rise in alexa by may of the split clinical condition,

not only in western societies, but the increasingly so in is to societies as well that is characterized by sort of the ways of this feeling function. and the difficulty in distinguishing between bother listening stations and uh, feelings i'm thinking in your book you all for many ways all on how to sort of bring that um uh, apparatus back into human life. uh, can you share some of them? yeah, so, so the early life of the baby, you want to be face to face, that relating to them so that they actually are building the brain capacities to get along with others and, and understand their feelings. they weren't from their experience. what a baby experience is, what they become as adults, we're going to have to do a lot of therapy, right? if we have the lack of those capacities. and that again, is the face to face. relational attunement, learning to recognize self, you know, you have to build, you've had your heart cut off, perhaps your spirit,

your intuitions, and you have to build those up again and then learn to get along with others. i use folks on games in my classes so that children, the students learn how to, you know, be with one another for build a sense of social joy and capacity to get along and then expand their imagination about how they're connected to the universe. you also mentioned being uh, one on one with nature and i personally found this an amazing way of doing that kind of work. if it was without the, you know, psychotherapist because uh, in our investors. we have a different kind of narcissism because of our war passed many of our ancestors, you know, our brands, mothers, grandfathers focused on the actual survival of the child, you know, feeding him, you know, taking care of him. and that's also the form of nash. this isn't because you're, you're essentially treating a kid as, as an object that have to survive rather than a living human being. and that's

a process many of the motions and they, i think it's 2nd point. they didn't even have time for emotional exchanges. but one thing that i found very helpful in my own path is just being one on one with nature and allowing nature to hear me because of this is one of the other things that you mentioned in your book, the universe. demetrius call, part of it wants you to be, you know, enjoying this life and it will help you if you allow that to happen. yes, it's so wonderful to, to be able to go out into a semi wilder wild nature and just sit there and listen to the trees and learn to build that receptive intelligence and the comfort that the earth gives you just lie on yours. first thing we call that right and your quarters, all levels, your stress levels go down, right? and there are many ways to connect to nature. we've done some research on that as well. so yes, i think that's a everyone can do something like, even in a city,

pay attention to the clouds, the sun, the dandelion, or the, the grass and the pay for that. and you can connect. now, you've written a lot about the so called in budget morality, and i think this is a challenge and concept for many people on to understand because we usually associated morales if it's something natural, something that people, you know, declare from a pope. it's something that they've preached but don't necessarily practicing it. what are some of the ways of cultivating, embodied morality in yes, and that's what i focus on in multiple books about how the, the early life experience again, is that baby feeling able to see of the parents and then developing their own empathy. they're learning they're, they're shaping their body to be socially a tone to others. and so as, as adults too, we can learn again to be in our bodies right now. be present. now, wherever you are and connected, wherever we are, we're in a web of relationships. pay attention to those relationships. now,

are you being respectful? are you being towed to those you're with? and that means you know to appreciate the water. they are different from other earth. mother earth is giving you so many gifts. the son is a gift, right? the sunshine, so pay attention the now the present. i'm myself and i have it. and so there are humble student of crowd young and he wrote a lot about how morality is not something that can be imposed by society. and i think it was even question. you or prime is that the childhood experience is uh, has so much weight that i think and he's view, uh, you know, a, you know, the thomas that we received for his children uh, are important. but there are ways of overcoming them primarily because he isn't here again. uh we, i know the only the christians of the past there is a certain, uh, sort of forward looking function within us, within the universe that wants to us to heal. and that constantly pushes us externally and internally in that direction. now it's very daunting and they,

at the same time, a very inspiring task. because essentially the progress of that argument is that you, you will have, regardless of what happened to you. you will have to do the work to sort of recover what is underneath the trauma. and this is something that i want to ask you about. is there something underneath the trauma? do you think it's worth looking below it as well? let me just say 1st that we, we are living in civilization, that is trauma inducing. we forgot the pathway to wellness. so the wellness pathway is a multiple kind of layered system to building our full potential as human beings. and i think we, we just are forgot that we do so many things that undermine wellness. and so i think um are you have to be careful not to just go back into thinking mind right and saying, oh well,

you can do whatever it is to hear yourself and it's all in your head. no, you don't have to feel it here. and perhaps even down below. yes. yeah. so we're holistic. we want to heal the got the, the brain, the brain to but the part especially, that's where we connect. and we know the heart has all sorts of thing influences on how we think. right, with god also we haven't got brain access now and the ways that our ancestors raise children made it all work well, need it all fit into that. be yours in the system and the dynamism of being a member of the earth community. i began and diagnostic appraise that as a box to below. so i, i believe deeply that, you know, the individual work also helps the society. but i wonder if you believe that we will ever reach doug golden age, where most people on, on the splendid, understand who they are and no one they're being shaped into. but who that truly

intrinsically within you know, that body is where do you think i have the time really run out before we can actually get to that glorious point? yeah, so it's a challenging question because the climate instability and disruption that's going on is, is quite distressing. it won't take much more to really make a hothouse or a but i am an optimist in terms of what the potential is for humanity. and i think that sometimes our ideas, like the collective unconscious of is like a virus and then everybody changes, right. and we are in complex systems and just little changes around the edge can shift the whole thing. so that's what i pray for. i hope for that we can all return to being connected to feeling connected to everyone around the planet and, and i want to stress with your books out for several, very practical and very easy to do ways. i mean, it does not guarantee you uh,

you know, the full ceiling. that's what, that's what it would ask for guarantees. but there are certain ways that each one of us can do to feel a little bit better. one on one with yourself on the, with the world. so thank you very much both for the books and for this conversation . you're welcome. thank you. and thank you for watching both to sir again. and it was, of course, the,

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