tv Cross Talk RT August 14, 2023 2:30am-3:01am EDT
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hello and welcome across stock, where all things are considered on funeral about as a cranes much over 5 to counter offensive stalls. western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical pivot, buying and says poor has already lost the war. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative is a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is winnie, is untenable. the to discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we passed the door to
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samuel. we use a pod cast or at the gabble, which we thought on youtube and locals. are a gentleman, costs up rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want that i always appreciate or it's good george in budapest it's, it's really remarkable watching the course of this conflict and how the west has changed its rhetorical focus, like the narrative of every everyone wants to support you. great, of course is going to win a because it has um the, the moral spirit, you know, the current job because of the ukrainian soldier in society. oh, the responsible states have had a lot of books. ukraine is already was the 1st few weeks ago. okay. and then, you know, as long as it takes, okay, and now over the last guy, i would say 2 weeks. so, well, you know, the of the premium, so just follow their orders that nato gave them in the train and, you know, and then buy them says, well the book is already lost. you know, the, they've already lost what so they're trying to book and now say to me, whatever happens, i love people, it's not and stalls. george. yes,
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the question that's, that's always the american motif, the only one of the ally, you know, who was the united states of pictures is why, again, it always turns out that we're just not really worthy of, uh, american, the health and supposed to be, you know, yeah, but the south in the me is where it goes to useless and on. then you know, we had the great is a in the, in the 1st of will were useless. the ass counties were useless, everybody's always useless. and so there is the same um, my, if i were you bring it in, i think, well, it's a little bit much. i mean, you have a photo of it is anybody is but 70 is a and you're telling us that we're not fighting properly. you know what, you know, you, you know, bradley bradley down in the back back and fight alongside those. but it doesn't work as a well, we don't really want to do that. so yeah, i mean, the, the visible sorts of, uh, confusing messages that are coming out from uh,
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the administration. but there are also these confusing messages. but other coming out about the some go to negotiations that are going on. um, in the background, um no into that. that'd be in the number of stores the stores and like nbc, um about these negotiations, x u. s. officials talking to high level uh, russians and then um we, we, we, we now have another story about this. uh, and the go to i, i know buying it. i don't think this is, these are serious because ultimately the rule that is going on is good for the united states. the united states isn't losing anything. and, and it is the russians are dying ukrainians of mine. i don't see any incentive to be honest. um, for the united states to the, to bring it this doing in so doing the, the, the, the stories that got a wishful thinking. well this is what i would do if i were a rational person,
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which is true. but i don't think that that's necessarily how the bite administration is thinking. it's such an interesting way to phrase it because the ultimate goal is okay, maybe ukraine isn't going to win, but it can still keep fighting martin. i mean it's, it's an interesting thing here is that is what you know is a man. the outcome will there be, will be a negotiated outcome. that's a new thing to, that's making it into the narrative. but in the meantime, in the meantime, us is not going to pursue any kind of negotiations or whatnot just for the reason that george said, i mean, even though it's been a lot of money, a lot of taxpayer money. i mean, this is a, a conflict against russia on the cheap learning guys, i'm going to disagree with both of you. i'm really, i'm really sorry. i think, i think joe just wrong. i think that arisen incentive but and 6 to to stop is will i think he's starting to wake up to the realities that he called ron in the, in this is re election campaign. i'm starting from next on may just comp face low just particularly blue complexes and have this in mind. the
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living experience in the non here hang on here is i think it's pretty obvious that the drum base may agree with that. but i think you would still agree with this is very much a bi partisan endeavor. i mean, getting an inspector general. i mean, that was by far to sit in the senate. okay. no, we're not going to happen because the price of the buying doesn't want it. that was bi partisan. ok, they keep going to, but i say we're living in a, we're living in a scenario to our no realities. we're living in a truman show kind of a movie says web i, you know, on the, on the face of it, do you have officials like could be, and others who us thing you know, it in the most ancient and then when they knew it, tons of law suite, there was some backpedaling, there was some admissions that was not going very well, but then we should hang in there and we should push all reserves. if the claim was, is up to the front line, a disaster has tax exempt bite in the same oceans. lost the war,
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how many people actually bull into the, you know, think what's going on on the power though, to, to tackle george's assertion, had only thing was going on on a power level and secretaries, i think there are tools going on because i think the item does want to get out of this well, i really do think he does and i think, yeah, one of the things been showing me about this, um this uh this that in this scenario, all of the claims on that i'm going to show, you know, think about that how does that happen? how do we get into that situation? the 1st place out of the best miniature brands and the pendulum in january of this year or december did not plan this scenario and say, hey guys, what's gonna run quite low and about may of june. should we not make preparations for it now? i'm sure they did, i'm sure they contacted the button administration and they didn't get very clear on so from the buttons administration. but to tackle this, if you want, just supply the things with the munition even to the very easy you don't even need to use your own. american stokes are plenty of allies around the world. they're playing stuff close around the world. yeah,
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it doesn't even need to be american where you could, i didn't buy chinese on sooner, isn't it? so don't, don't buy into this. you're going to run it. i'm going to should. i think they will let, i think, i think they were allowed to fall into this pit because i really do believe the board and bolts of the role. and i really do believe in the leadership of the school commentate. uh oh. yeah. it is. okay. and it does the fact that they couldn't plan for this doesn't surprise me. i think they believe that the sanctions would have done the job. and them, you know, and good story here. but the kind of go and go back to george. but, but george, it doesn't really matter because as you rush has already lost, the more that's the new narrative. okay, so, i mean, we did everything we could do. you just as you said, you know, it's lensky and his people. i mean, we, you know, we, we know nothing about your brain without your brain. they're doing their own thing here. i think that, you know, this going on the cheap here, and then of course, blame the use of it. and then they are really the europeans that to step up jord
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they just didn't do enough. ok. i think there's plenty of ways for them to rationalize which is like the hunter bite and story if they had that a agreement go through. they say it's spoken to this is over no more investigations . we don't have a they live in the pseudo reality, george. but i think so i think the, the, this provides them with an escape hatch. but if things go wrong, then to say what it was really, the brand is sold before the pool or they didn't take our advice. and again, they, they misuse the, the web. and really we gave them, you know, a by 5 to many shells. and it was around a, i a, i'm actually not buying into the story that they're running out of shows. i mean with this happens in every will, every what we hear about, oh the sure there's a shortage of uh, off hillary shows a show, did you mind me? they said this during the one that was a big, big issue and well, well, well, hey, we're running out of, um, uh, auto rate. what, what are we going to do about this? so the, the question is, is what's the incentive for the united states to, to bring this to an end?
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i'm not buying this thing about the, the us, the likes of the us selection is like, it's a long way off. yeah, many ways, it's the domestic issues that the privilege there is more or less a, a consensus among most the candidates said, hey, this is a good rule and then we should keep it going with true about with trump. so i, you know, i don't think biden is worried about the electric by the, is worried about getting into a direct shooting hole with rush, or i think that's a different issue. so inviting said no, do nato membership or ukraine. i mean, he did it because a, if you brain is joins nature, where on the, which would you really just reinforces that? this is the way, the butler, they buy ministration. just by doing this book, we're going to let them do all the fighting for us in, in the, in the downtown that the marketing, it says they get not having ukraine in nato. it gets, gets the dotted states again,
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off the hook. ok, where we're not responsible for that country security. okay, just let me explain. i have the best of all possible worlds here, which in the den means the destruction of ukraine. the very purpose of this policy was the policy for us. it not ukraine, mark. so there's another theory which spring founded about which i comp claim credit for, which is another reason why i didn't refuse to let you cry. and so nature is to keep that as a bargaining chip. so when you finally do, when do funding negotiate with the russians? you've got something quite strong on your side, but to take george's point, i don't think it's exclusively ethics. only the button is worried about elections and how you sell this. this massive, unprecedented amount of ministry spending in a country that probably 99 percent of americans call assigned to the map of the world. there's more than that. i think it's getting increasingly worried about china. and i don't think you can handle china new crime both on the same plate with storm policy f ups. you know, that a bama used to was used to critics in with, you know, we should never forget that quote from, from above. i don't know,
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i've never underestimate, binds ability to f things up. i think it's talking about foreign policy. so i think the with china threat with cheese, you know, sounding else um, delivering signals which are more robust and more bellicose every single day and basing on the drum and the tension building up the tile. stating there is a, a need for the button to ministration to look for an offer on. and i think they're all to what's going on. i think i wouldn't be too surprised. i think that this is deliberate, i think since about december or january to the what the things were deliberate, the allowed to run out of them initial to create this low because you called them negotiations with the russians when you also write a 1000. 02000 and a 155 millimeter shows after you have to, you know, look for natural pools of natural impact. so low in the war. and i think that's from the the moment right now to do that. so i think we should, we shouldn't the right, we're enjoyed all by triple. why would the russians in
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a meeting gauge in negotiations at all? any other than a back channel thing that we're not gonna use nukes, we can all agree. we're not going to do that, but other than that, what would the russians be interested in? go ahead martin. well, i think um the, the comments, but edward luc fuck recently were very interested in his theory. the, the great job. but let's go, let us know that his theory is that the russian central bank government has set to pitch in look, thinks of where to go to the moment we go, inflation on the control, we've got inflation at a so dream level. but most europeans cannot even front as low as about the countless river. so there's an economic cool aspect to this whole thing, which is the, you know, the situation that pollutants in which is quite comfortable is not something that you can, you can banks, you can bank on forever, that has to be a longer strategy. so there are incentives, the last thing for russia to look up some of the income is that i saw the same video you did. i found them seem to be utterly completely unconvincing.
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deal with them as well as i can trace the, the key is that the, the was possibly some sort of but general communication going on between buns and noticing the we have to go to a hard break. we're going to talk about the, the back channel in the 2nd half of the program. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in. we're going to come right back to stay with our team, the, [000:00:00;00]
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the, the a welcome back to kind of stuff. we're all things are consider 9, peter little. this is a home editions remind you. were discussing some real minutes the let's go back to george in budapest. ok, george. let's look at it from the other side. you know? and because i see these western elite so that there's always kind of this fantasy
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unicorn wish list, you know, is that, you know, and the zip you will probably hispanic more there's, there's the interest of instability and broad signal which is like, i don't know where they get this information from and how they draw these conclusions because, you know, you and i live in with martin, you know, we're, we're avidly covering how people cover russia and it says so fantastically wrong. most of the time is that nobody really paid much attention to it. but now let's get down to brass tax something important, this conflict in ukraine. i still to this point in respect to the big interest rate . okay. i don't see why russia has any incentive at all ever. we'll have a couple of sites in the dumbass, you know, and brush will have to do buckets of crime media. it's and it will have to accept when you have a form of nato membership. most why would run rushing to initiate a discomfort because it wasn't getting any of those things. why wouldn't change it's mine now? george? exactly. no, i see him though. incense is
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a tool and in fact if it was to be a settlement now on the terms of which um, local act advocates and that interview referred to by nonsense. um, this'll be a complete failure for russia because essentially, uh, russian would have to be giving up things that it actually had prior to the style of the, of the, the several special level trowbridge. so that gives them that have to agree to holding plebiscites. and you know, we know how the way these plebiscites work, i mean the, the, that it's always very questionable once made that gets involved in a plebiscite. so roughly what happens the giving up is going to end up with less than it had the 18 months ago. so i don't see any reason, certainly built in conduct survive. so if we're talking about bite and then the electron, i mean open conducts of, i a, such a, such a, a, a humility ation. but there is an agenda always with, with this kind of talking, particularly with somebody like look like no track. essentially, once
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a war is trying, i mean that you, you know, that, that stays obsession. i mean, he's always been an obsessive sort of fellow, and he's not his new obsession. is china and what, how does it, how do we fight china? well, we're not gonna fight it using american boys. i mean, that's the level of the plan of any of the neo cons, what we're going to use russia and that's suite of the agenda behind this as well as others. so i mean, this guy, colby, is a big with his presence on, on fox news. also, china, china, china, i'm, the plan here is alright, let's bring this thing into your brain. so, and, and then let's use russia against china. this is going to be all kind of father against trying to much as it was originally when the nato expansion, the idea behind it. and george cyrus explained that they were going to use the spirit bins as count on father against russia. so we're going to use russia is gone, father against china, why i am assuming russian understands that that's the plan that's in the woods and
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i don't think they go to. but of course the, let me again, we're just kind of looking at western fantasies. okay. i mean, there, there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of scenario could possibly play out any storage, riley points up. why do you, why do you have, why would russia give up anything that it doesn't have to give up? ok, it may and, and, and plus, if you look at the long term, the impact of this war is having a other than the data for people of ukraine and, and the, all of the soldiers that are dying is it in the era it's, it's being the industrialized smell, considering everything that's been said and done, but since the end of the cold war fly would have rush to throw anyone in the west, a lifeline. i mean i, i just don't see it. i mean, there's so many things that have been said that can be on said, and what about sanctions and all of that? do you think the americans will ever retract any sanction? oh, it's very well under any circumstances. so what is rushing, get out of it?
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all it has gotten is about a pack of lies and deceit. sorry, that's my opinion. go ahead more. but if we're going to dismiss, let's, let's comments about russian inflation. then there's not much left on the table in terms of what could be attracted to the region politic which is, is an international state. it does think, but he thinks of, well, it doesn't think of the region when he did an applicant of the last week was really interesting. but we didn't get too much attention from west of me to read a whole lot of did that a lot of did a condescending commentary, which was completely unfounded. okay, i, i find when i go to school, which beat inability to read. the home said they don't, can't read the room. i'm sorry martin, go ahead. i think that's a good to does one face. i think it's other leaders. i don't think he wants to even envisage inviting them. that part of your crime. he's the, he's not interested in the, in the eastern european soviet motor, which didn't work. just as the british colonial model. it didn't work and people folks understand or feel to acknowledge, you know,
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all right and history. why did pretty simple i flaps just because it couldn't afford to run anymore. it was like owning an expensive jagger a call that you couldn't afford to fill out, you know, and i think the same argument applies to the end of the soviet union. and those countries, he doesn't love that so relationship that's a present from this, from the kind of people he's not interested in, in, in the baby. but i think he thinks of a bigger picture, you know, and um, to go back to bite and on buttons side then the others, the other issue about. but what i think he would like to end the war and maybe concentrate on the china threat. not necessarily going to what would china, but the use of china is a mess. if deflection is because he a couple of emotions ever, that his son will be so stupid tablets, laptops. sure. he couldn't imagine the meetings he had in um, in care of in 2015, 2016 with the um, the rest of the president discussing the money and the bribes. and i'm about now to get this ukrainian energy company. um, uh, you know, teamed up with an american pond,
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so they could have an i p o l buttons vice president could just have the chief persecution ukraine that kicked out what you did. it could've imagine any of this coming out. and you know, and it's extraordinary how is just continuing, you know, just this week. it's now being sun. that's all i have no way to kind of be in a western media is kind of shrugged his shoulders and say, okay, all right, go to the report and we believe the source is strong. and there was study discussions about the $5000000.00 brian to each of them. we haven't got a smoking gun. we haven't got the receipts from the bank with mark, don't you think it's, it's kind of interesting. it's actually in the bring that out because, you know, the, because of this growing scandal here, the, by the administration decide what works is already lost of all, or, you know, what's the page move on? ok. they, that's what they're doing. it's trying to, you know, this is a success. we are, our policy has succeeded disney, right? i mean, it's, it, but it's task to go to, to say it out loud, but that's what they're trying to convince people to, to
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a joseph. george made it these, which it's, it's interesting is that they, they want this, but they still continue to think that they can bleed russia. we have to remember everyone. victoria millen was temporarily promoted. ok. i mean, for the space those looking for an offer, is that the right person to go to george? well, that's an excellent point to be the executive. that's why i'm not buying the story of the, the, the, the back channel negotiations. because this is the person that was not only the most illogical in the state about the but she has been the driving force. only obama buying policy toward ukraine obviously was a central figure. it was never blinked. and i mean, it was photo. so to make her actually did a secretary of state that that is a signal that there isn't going to be any change g as in go to a preside over any change or
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a policy as low biden's domestic problems. well, i mean, you know what, what do leaders do when they have major domestic problems? they saw the escalate was escalate complex as of the, nobody's talking about the button when, when we've got something bigger to talk about. we had a whether you praying, maybe even promptly this. the downside of that is if you forget you crate in china, if the heads were biden's domestic problems, the unfortunately were rapidly running out of time. but i want to bring up something that i thought was interesting. is it responsible, statecraft like system sell themselves is a cut above i would say, and i'm not going to mention the author's name because it's really important to my point in one of their articles the last few days at the very end. it says like every one, once you praying to win in russia to lose this token that come from a think tank, you know, the quincy instead. yeah. i thought they were
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a lot of smart people. i want you crazy with that part of everyone. what kind of arrogance is that more? it's unfortunate as the subs poignant reminds of the times that we're living and it is a detachment from the inside democratic process of western countries. we don't care anymore about what our citizens think we barely eat for. consider the use even once every 4 or 5 years at the elections and the situation that we have in person with the labor and conservative. while you have an america, we republicans and democrats, you know, people are finally beginning to wake up. it doesn't matter which party you work for anymore. you know, it's all part of the corrupt religious system. and their main purpose is to fold keep themselves in positions, getting self in jobs. and secondly, computers and disrupt the public away from ever asking any remotely intelligent questions. and i, i'm getting sick to death on reading articles and the british press of them the daily telegraph about what's going on and ukraine,
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and the russian dictate to kidnapping sounds. the children, you know, and then the, so essentially she read what was expected or could when journalist read other articles and they see those words in the 3rd paragraph, you know, you're working in a b, s of not b s or somebody also. oh, certainly it's really interesting to george right now. well, so when it comes to russia they, they never used the word alleged anymore, but the website just, i just assumed, okay, so there's of, according to of the report this assignments. no, no, it says it's a, it's a desirable is fact. ok for the source the, it's always a given as a, as a question on question. fact the rest of the structure blue up way dialogues don't civilian of the sides. um, but when they report a russian denial, then they say um, when you times was it was unable to independently from the russian play. and so there's always, you know, whatever the rest of the day,
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anything but we were not able to confirm this claim, but apparently the agreement is going to complain whatever they want. and there's no need to verify anything. but it's, but those are the improved in this idea of, of whenever booting says anything, put in full sleep claimed. so it is likely the journalist just inserts his own opinion, full sleep claim because they were out, the light was full. so what, what, what do you, what are you basing this of what all the western media has in real time fact checking in the back, checking as they're writing right. last week, i guess, go to you a martin, go ahead. what we other on is the lensky sense, when you leave here, those 2 words from the bbc or into the mainstream, british bread, as you know, you know, your into the truman shows are and where. but so really the last we have enough to stick to, you know, why would you let facts done in the way of a good story? that's been the policy for so long now. you know, people don't know. they don't know the propaganda machine that's been created by
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the americans, a kid. they don't know that most of the stories that we're seeing completely fictitious and this, this has no effect to lead to sex. the company, i've always said they have a white board and they just go from the next story. the next story is all planned in advance. gentleman, that's all behind we have one, i think, my guess americans and in budapest i want to make our viewers for watching us here at our teach. the next time we member press that the, i feel the spelling need us to. a through the journey of developing an identity, a national identity, there's a, you know, we talked earlier about the vibrancy and the dynamics of the media. all sorts of use and narratives have a chance to, to base and come to the floor. but also has a downside in the everything is up for debate,
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