as soon as 2060 numerous monuments to serve as soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed or vandalized fish their stuff, but it must be at the wedding. yeah. i'm not sure. or even some others could ask if i really filled. that's the most on whether it's it's especially almost 3 of the police government denies the rule of soviet sonya is in the victory of a naziism. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2 is the 40 because when you order, although it did seem the non supervision is, the trustees would remain things in people's consciousness but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. yes. yeah. most of the provides just leave me a message. i need to see because it looks like so i need to get the

below in the welcome across stock. were all things are considered non funeral about as a cranes much over hyped counter offensive stalls. western leaders have made a remarkable rhetorical pivot. binding says poor his already lost the war. the secretary of state blinking says russia has lost their narrative is a form of pseudo reality because making the claim ukraine is winning, is untenable. the to discuss these issues and more and i'm joined by my guess martin j america. she's

an award winning journalist, and commentator, and in, in budapest we passed the door to samuel h is a pod cast or at the goggle, which means all on youtube and locals. are gentlemen, costs are frozen affects. that means you can jump any time you want that i always appreciate or it's good george in budapest it's, it's really remarkable watching the course of this conflict and how the west has changed its rhetorical focus like narrative of every everyone wants to support you . great, of course is going to win a because it has um the, the moral spirit, you know, the current job because of the premium selves are in society. what the responsible states have had an article, ukraine has already won the 1st. okay. and then, and, you know, as long as it takes, okay, and now over the last guy would say 2 weeks. so, well, you know, the of the premium, so just follow up there on the borders that nato gave them in the training, you know, and then biding, says, well, the book is already lost. you know, the, they've already lost. what, so they're trying to book and did now say to me,

whatever happens that why people, it's not as false. george? yes, the question that's, that's always the american motif, the own. what are the ally, you know, who, with whom i have the united states, the pictures it's wagon, it always turns out to be just not really worthy of american. the help and supposed to be, you know, we have that the south, we have the means where it goes to useless and on them, you know, we have the greatest in the, in the 1st dog. well, we useless. the ass counties we used was everybody's always useless. and so there is this theme, my, why are you great in? i think, well, it's a little bit much. i mean, you have a photo of it. is anybody in about 70 is and you're telling us that when i'm fighting properly, you know what, you know, you know, bradley bradley down in the back back and fight alongside those. but it doesn't work as a well, we don't really want to do that. so yeah, i mean, the, the visible sorts of, uh, confusing messages that are coming out from uh,

the administrative. so this is these confusing messages that are coming out about the some go to negotiations that are going on in the background. um no into the number of stores those stores and like nbc, um about these negotiations backs us officials talking to high level uh russians and then um we, we, we, we now have another story about this. uh and the go see that i, i know buying it. i don't think this is and these are serious because ultimately the rule that is going on is good for the united states. the united states isn't losing anything. and it is the russians are dying. ukrainians of mine, i don't see any incentive to be honest. um for the united states to uh, to bring it this doing in so doing the, the, the, the stories that i've got a wishful thinking. well, this is what i would do, a borrower, rational person,

which is true. but i don't think that that's necessarily how the, by the ministration is thinking. it's such an interesting way to phrase that because the ultimate goal is okay, maybe ukraine isn't going to win. but it can still keep fighting martin. i mean it's, it's an interesting thing here is that is what you know, if the man, the outcome will there be, will be in the go to that outcome. but some a new thing to that is making it into the narrative. but in the meantime, in the meantime, the us is not going to pursue any kind of negotiations or whatnot. just for the reason the george said, i mean, even though it's been a lot of money, a lot of taxpayer money. i mean, this is a conflict against russia on the cheap martin guys. i'm going to disagree with both of you. i'm really, i'm really sorry. i think i, st. jude is wrong, i think there is an incentive to buy it and 6 to, to stop this will. i think he's starting to wake up to the realities that he called ron in the, in this is re election campaign. i'm starting from next on may just called face low just particularly blue complexes and have this

a friend of mine the living will have been to me ever since. i know we're not here, but hang on here. i think it's pretty obvious. but the drum base may agree with that, but i think you would still agree this is very much a bi partisan endeavor. i mean, getting an inspector general. i mean, that was by far to sit in the senate. okay. no, we're not going to happen because the price of the buying doesn't want it. that was by part of said, okay, keep going your, what i say we're living in a, we're living in a scenario to our no realities. we're living in a truman show kind of a movie says web i, you know, on the, on the face of it, you have officials like, could be others who us thing, you know, it in the most a gentleman, when they knew tons of law suite, there was some backpedaling, there was some emissions that was not feeling very well, but then we should hang in there and we should push our reserves as though you came is up to the front of the disastrous tactics. i'm biting saying,

pensions lost the war. how many people actually bull into that, you know, think what's going on on the power though to, to tackle george's assertion had only thing what's going on on a power level and secret is likely narrow towards going on. because i think the light and does want to get out of this. well, i really do think he does and i think, yeah, one of the things been troubling me about this. um this uh, this, this scenario. all of the cleanings on that i'm going to show you, i think about that. how does that happen? how do we get into that situation? the 1st place out of the best miniature brands and the pentagon in january of this year or december did not plan the scenario and say, hey guys, what's gonna run quite low and about may of june, should not make preparations for it. now i'm sure they did, i'm sure they contacted the button administration and they didn't get very clear on so from the buttons administration. but to tackle this, if you want to supply the things with the munition, even to the very easy you don't even need to use your own. american stokes are plenty of allies around the world. there probably are still close around the world

. you know, it doesn't even need to be america where you could have even, but chinese on see that, isn't it? so don't, don't buy into this. the new kinds of run up. i'm gonna should i think they will let, i think, i think they were allowed to fall into this paper because i really believe with the board and walked out of the role. and i really do believe in the leadership of the school coming to the okay. and it does the fact that they couldn't plan for this doesn't surprise me. i think they believed that the sanctions would have done the job. and then you know, ended story here with the kind of go and go back to george. but, but george, it doesn't really matter because it's, you know, ross has already lost the war. that's the new matter it to. okay, so i mean, it, what we did, everything we could do. you, just as you said, you know, it's lensky and his people. i mean, we, you know, we, we know nothing about your claim without your brains, they're doing their own thing here. i think that you know, this going on the cheap here and then of course, blaine the other and then they get really the europeans didn't step up. george,

they just didn't do enough. ok. i think there's plenty of ways for them to rationalize which is like a 100 bite and story if they got had that a agreement go to. they say it's spoken to that is over no more investigations. we don't have it. they live in the pseudo reality. george, i think so i think that the, this provides them with an escape hatch. but if things go wrong, then let's say what it was really the brand new and sole, but for the full or they didn't take our advice. and again, they, they miss use the, the web and really we gave them, you know, a 5 to many shells and it was around a, i, a, i'm actually not buying into the story that they're running out of shows. i mean with this happens in every world, everywhere we hear about, oh sure, there's a shortage of uh, i'll tell her it shows the show. did you mind me? they said this during the one that was a big, big issue and well well, what they were running out of um, i'll tell her what, what are we going to do about this? so, um, the, the question that is, is what's the incentive of, well,

the united states to, to bring this to an end. i'm not buying this thing about the, the us, the likes on the us selection is like, it's a long way off. many ways, it's the domestic issues that prevalent. there is more or less a consensus among most the candidates that, hey, this is a good rule and then we should keep it going with true about with trump. so i, you know, i don't think biden is worried about the election by the, is worried about getting into a direct shooting hole with russia. i think that's a different issue. so inviting said no, do nato membership with ukraine. i mean, he did it because a, if you brain is joins nature, where on the, which was really just reinforces that this is the way, the but they, by ministration just by doing this. well, we're going to let them do all the fighting for us in, in the, in the dump the market. it's just like, not having ukraine in nato and get,

gets beat out in the states again, off the hook. ok, we're, we're not responsible for that country security. okay, just let me explain. i have the best of all possible worlds here, which in the end means the destruction of ukraine. the very purpose of this policy was the policy for us at new brand mark. so there's another theory which is being funded about which i comp claim credit for, which is another reason why i didn't refuse to let you grant. and so nature is to keep the as a bargaining chip. so when you finally do, when do funding negotiate with the russians, you've got something quite strong on your side, but to take george's point, i don't think it's exclusively. i don't think it's only the buttons is worried about elections and how you sell this, this massive, unprecedented amount of metric spending in a country. the only 99 percent of americans cult assigned to the map of the world, i think is more than that. i think is getting increasingly worried about china and i don't think you can handle china and you try and both on the same plate with storm policy f ups. you know, that a bummer used to was used to critics him with,

you know, we should never forget that quite from, from about my do, you know, never underestimate, binds ability to f things up. i think it's talking about foreign policy. so i think that with china, threat with cheese, you know, sounding else um, delivering signals which are more robust and mobility codes every single day and basing on the drum and the tension building up over time. well, i think there is a need for the button administration to look for an offer. oh, and i think they're all to what's going on. i think i wouldn't be to supply the ice thing, but this is deliberate. i think since about december or january to the what the claims were delivered, the allowed to run out of them initial to create this low because you call them negotiations with the russians when you also rent a 1000. 02000, a 155 millimeter shows after you have to, you know, look for a natural pool, is a natural impact so low in the war. and i think that's from is the moment right now to do that. so i think we should, we shouldn't just the internet. all right, we're enjoyed all by triple. why would the russians in

a meeting gauge negotiations at all? any other than a back channel thing that we're not gonna use nukes, we could all agree. we're not going to do that, but other than that, what would the russians be interested in? go ahead martin. well, i think um the, the comments, but edward looked fuck recently. we're very interested in his theory, the, the great job. but let's go, let us know that his theory is that the russian central bank government has such a page and look, things that are good. remember, we go inflation on the control. we've got inflation a so dream level. but most europeans cannot even spent as low as about that account last forever. so there's an economical aspect to this whole thing, which is the, you know, the situation, but pollutants and which is quite comfortable. it's not something that you can, you can banks, you can bank on forever, that has to be a longer strategy. so there are incentives to, i think, for russia to look up some of the issues that i saw, the same video you did. i found them seem to be utterly completely unconvincing.

deal with it as losing phrase. looks like the the key is that the, the was possibly some sort of but general communication going on between buns and noticing the we have to go to a hard break. we're going to talk about the, the back channel in the 2nd half of the programs gentlemen, i'm going to jump in. we're going to come right back, stay with our team, the of the

a welcome act, across software. all things are considered 9. peter little. this is a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real minutes the let's go back to george in budapest. okay. george, let's look at it from the other side. you know, because usually i see these western the lead. so it is always kind of this fantasy unicorn wish list, you know, is a, you know, and the zip you will probably hispanic more there's, there's an instability in broad signal which is like, i don't know where they get this information from and how they draw these conclusions because, you know, you and i have been with martin, you know, we were, were adequately covering how people cover russia and it says so fantastically wrong

most of the time is that nobody really paid much attention to it. but now let's get down to brass tax something important, this conflict in ukraine. i still to this point irrespective of the interest rate. okay. i don't see why russia has any incentive at all. everyone will have a couple of sites in the dumbass, you know, and brush will have to give up your crime, need it, and it will have to accept when you have a form of nato membership. well, why would run rushing the initiated discomfort because it wasn't getting any of those things. why wouldn't change it's mine now? george? so i think exactly. now i've seen the incense is the tool and in fact if there was to be a settlement now on the terms of which um, low black advocates and that interview referred to by nonsense. um, this'll be a complete failure for russia because essentially, uh, russian would have to be giving up things that it actually had prior to the style of the, of the, the several special milledgeville braces that goes down that have to agree to

holding play the sides. and you know, we know how the way these plebiscites work, i mean the, the, that it's always very questionable once later gets involved in a plebiscite. so roughly what happens the giving up is gonna end up with less then it had the 18 months ago. so i don't see any reason, certainly built in conduct survive. so if we're talking about bite and then the electron, i mean open conducts of i a such and such a of humiliation. but there is an agenda always with, with this kind of talk, and it's particularly with somebody like look like no track of essentially once a war against china. i mean the, you know, that, that stays obsession. i mean, he's always been an obsessive sort of fellow. and he's not his new obsession. is china. and what, how does it, how do we find china? what would the flight did using american boys? i mean, that's literally plan of any of the neo cons, what we're going to use russia. and that's suite any agenda behind this as well as others. i mean, this guy, colby, was a ubiquitous presence on,

on fox news. also china, china, china, on the plan here is alright, let's bring this thing in your brain. so and, and then let's use russia against china. this is going to be all kind of father, again, is trying to, much as it was originally when the nato expansion, the idea behind it. and george cyrus explained if they were going to use the spirit bins as count on father against russia, since we're going to use russia, that's kind of bother against china. well, i am assuming russian understands that that's the plan. but in the woods and other things they go to, but it was of course the let me again with this kind of looking at western fantasies. okay. i mean, there, there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of scenario can possibly play out in a storage. riley points up. why do you, why do you have, why would russia give up anything that it doesn't have to give up? okay? it may. and in a, in plus, if you look at the long term, the,

the impact of this war is having, uh, other than the, the, the, for people of ukraine and, and the, all the soldiers that are dying is it, in the era it's, it's being the industrialized smell, considering everything that's been said and done, but since the end of the cold war fly would have rush it, throw anyone in the west, the lifeline. i mean i, i just don't see it. i mean, there's so many things that have been said that can't be on said. and what about sanctions and all of that, do you think the americans will ever retract anything so? oh, it's very well under any circumstances. so what is rush to get out of it? all it has gotten is about a pack of lies and deceit. sorry, that's my opinion. go ahead. more, right. well, if we're going to dismiss, let's, let's comments about russian and felicia, then there's not much left on the table in terms of what could be attracted to the region policy, which is, is an international state. it does state, but he thinks of the well doesn't think of the reach of what he did an applicant of the last week was really interesting. but we didn't get too much attention from west of me to read a whole lot of that. a lot of did a condescending commentary,

which was completely unfounded. okay. i, i find that totally makes the inability to read the say they don't, can't read the room. i'm sorry about, go ahead. i think, i think does one piece. i think the other, the does, i don't think he wants to even envisage inviting them. that part of your claim is, i don't know if you're not interested in the, in the eastern european soviet motor, which didn't look just as the british colonial model. it didn't work and people felt sort of this down on the bill to acknowledge you know, all right and history. why the present, but let's just because it couldn't afford to run anymore. it was like owning an expensive jag or a call that you couldn't afford to fill out, you know, i'm, i think the same argument applies to the end of the soviet union. and those countries, he doesn't love that. so relationship that's a present from this, from the kind of people he's not interested in, in, in the baby, but i think he thinks of a bigger picture. you know, and um, so to go back to the on button side there,

there is the other issue about but what i think he would like to end the war and maybe concentrate on the china threat. not necessarily going to what would china, but using china is a mess. if deflection is because he a couple of emotions ever, that his son will be so stupid tablets, laptops should. he couldn't imagine the meetings he had in um, in care of in 2015, 2016 with the rest of the present to discussing the money and the bribes and all that. and how to get this ukrainian energy company. um, uh, you know, teamed up with an american pond so they could have like ago i'll buttons, vice president could just have the chief persecution ukraine that kicked out what she did. it could've imagined any of this coming out. and you know, and it's extraordinary how it's just continuing, you know, just this week. it's now being sanitized. now we're kind of being a western media is kind of shrugged his shoulders and say, okay, all right, we'll go to the report and we believe the sol, so strong. and there was study discussions about the $5000000.00 bribes to each of

them. we haven't got a smoking gun. we haven't got the receipts from the bank to miss martin. don't you think it's, it's kind of interesting. it's actually in the you bring that up because, um, you know, the, because of this growing scandal here, the, by the administration to say, well, which is already lost of all, or, you know, what's the page move on? ok, that's what they're doing. they're trying to, you know, this is a success. we are, our policy has succeeded disney brain. i mean, it's it, but testicle to, to say it out loud, but that's what they're trying to convince people to, to store george made it these, which it's, it's interesting is that they, they want this, but they still continue to think that they can bleed russia. we have to remember everyone. victoria nolan was temporarily promoted. ok. i mean for people to space those looking for an offer. is that the right person to go to george? well, that's an excellent point to be the exec, and that's why i'm not buying the story of the, the, the,

the back channel negotiations. because this is the person that was not only the most a logical in the state about the machine has been the driving force. only obama, by the policy toward ukraine, obviously, was a central figure. it was never blinking. and i mean, it was for, so to make a, i actually did a secretary of state that is a signal that there isn't going to be any trade g as in go to a preside over any change or a policy as will biden's domestic problems. well, you're, you know, what, what do leaders do when they have major domestic problems? they huge, saw, so escalate was escalate complex as of the, nobody's talking about the button when way we've got something bigger to talk about . but we had a whether you pray and maybe even from the syria. there's the downside of that, is that the budget ukraine in china, if the heads were biden's domestic problems,

the unfortunately were radically running out of time. but i want to bring up something that i thought was interesting. is it responsible? statecraft likes just um sell themselves as i thought above, i would say, and i'm not going to mention the author's name because it's not really important to my point in one of their articles the last few days at the very end. this is like every one, once you praying to win and rush it to lose the token, the come from a think tank, you know, the quincy and said, yeah, i thought they were a lot of smart people. i want you crazy with part of everyone. what kind of arrogance is that more? it's unfortunate as the subs poignant reminds of the times that we're living and it is a detachment from the inside democratic process of western countries. we don't care anymore about what our citizens think. we've been e for. consider that is even once every 4 or 5 years at the elections and the

situation that we have in person with the labor and conservative. while you have an america, we republicans and democrats, you know, people are finally beginning to wake up. it doesn't matter which party you work for any more. you know, it's all part of the corrupt religious system. and their main purpose is to fold keep themselves in positions, getting this open jobs. and secondly, computers and disrupt the public away from ever asking any remotely intelligent questions. and i, i'm getting sick to death. i'm reading articles and the british press of them the daily telegraph about what's going on and ukraine, and the russian dictate to kidnapping sounds. the children, you know, and then the so essential to read what was expected or could when journalist read other articles may see those words and the 3rd paragraph, you know, you're working in a b, s of not b s or somebody also also, it's really interesting to george right now. well, so when it comes to russia they, they never used the word alleged anymore. the website just,

i just assumed ok. so there's a, according to the report was assigned to misconduct. no, it's just, it's a, it's a, this babel is fact. ok for the source, the it's always a given as a, as a question on question. fact the rest of the structure blue up way direly, some civilian uh oh, the sides. um. but when they report a russian denial, then they say when you of times because it was unable to independently from the russian play. and so there's always, you know, whatever the rest is to anything. but we were not able to confirm this claim, but apparently the ukrainians can complain whatever they want, and there's no need to verify anything. but it's, but those are then brought in this idea of the whenever boot is, isn't it? they pulled in full, slee claimed, so it is likely the journalist just inserts his own opinion, full sleep claim, because they were out, the light was full. so what, what, what, what do you,

what are you basing this on what the only western media has in real time fact checking the, the back, checking as they're writing. right. let's go to your martin, go ahead. what we other on is, is there a lensky sense when you leave here, those 2 words from the bbc or into the mainstream? british press, you know, you know, your into the truman shows are and where, but so it really very of us, we have enough to stick to, you know, why would you let facts done in the way of a good story? that's been the policy for so long now. you know, people don't know. they don't know the propaganda machine that's been created by the americans, a kid. they don't know that most of the stories that we're seeing a completely fictitious and this, this has no effect to relieve those checks. the company, i've always said they have a white board and they just go from the next story. the next story is all planned in advance. gentleman that's all behind we have one, i think my guess americans and, and booted as i want to make our viewers for watching us here at our teach. the next time we member press ups. the

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