to russia to cease the complex as ex, essential, it could not be otherwise, there will be no negotiated end to this conflict. one side will lose. the smart money is not on fighting for nathan, the cross out teen nato state. i'm joined by my guess. lucas gauge in brick. he's a marine veteran author in philosopher in salt lake city. we have david pine. he is deputy director of national operations for the task force on national and homeland security and engine able we cross through the tone. he is a swift journalist, writer, and politician, alright, prospect girls in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate. let's go to break for us. lucas, there's a lot of things in play. there's a lot of moving pieces here. and the last new cycle zalinski still determined to retake cry me a. we have the building this summit with the nato gathering in about 10 days time.

and we have this prospect of a false flag being mentioned intentionally into the media. is lot of scare mongering involved here co and one more thing the counter offensive in ukraine is not going is, is scheduled no surprise there. what's the lay of the land, my friend, what do you see here? go ahead as well. i see that the russians are still doing what they are doing tactically, taking their time. they're not trying to put themselves in their meat grinder and ukraine is doing the exact opposite. and they're being pressured by nato and washington to go in full force. and as you mentioned, it's not working out that well, but they have to sell the story that it's going well and people aren't really buying it. i see more and more people question the narrative. and, you know, ukraine has been getting very desperate doing acts of terrorism stretching back since the beginning of the war from the bombing of the bridge ascending barrier davina. now that the dam being flooded, i mean all these things, it's not a sign of someone winning the war. so russians are doing the great that they're doing very well on the battlefield there. i've heard people say 7 to one killed

death ratios with the ukrainians are losing 7 people, one russian. so it's not looking good for them. and i think that the russians will went out this war just how many people before the negotiations, how many lives are lost before they sit down and actually talk peace. that's really the question. i absolutely agree, and i an on the back of that, i would suggest that everyone go to sub stack and read john mearsheimer slay dismissive, which is a, basically a reflection of lucas as lots and mine. let me go to the in, in geneva, we keep hearing about these different scenarios about negotiations that the ukrainians couldn't we conquer a certain amount of land, cutting off the land bridge to you could cry me a uh, they'll have a better spot at the negotiating table but there's, there's something wrong with that assumption. what, why would russia even sit down and negotiate and table at this point? go ahead in geneva. yes, i don't think that the russia is,

is now why do you fall for the goose chase on? because for sure, we have long distance that's, that's exactly the existence of the site. because if they go now for negotiation dual anywhere we continue because of quite a yes, really not to accept. but the question shines, as i said, they're already doing to, uh, to do, to, to may call on to the work on crap. nothing be done best with crimea. so to rush out, it's not the time to negotiate. they can negotiate orderly. if the recording is ready, not to be a member of may to which is not the case, no, and no destroyer, where to go to you. as long as i'm here you can scrunchy the try shop is of the types fall there that the gym. i mean, in the world. well that's, that's exactly the point. i'm glad you mentioned that because david, this is,

you know, it's, it's not what you crane wants. i mean, we can listen to what's a wednesday. the is a panhandler. he just wants money. and he wants prestige that he wants a wants to pump up, is a go fine or play, and people in the west, the want to do that. but david, it's not what ukraine wants. it's what washington wants. okay. and what washington wants is a strategic defeat of russia. well, russia is not going to go along with that. and you know what in between time and in the middle is ukraine being grinded into dust? david? yeah, so true. you know, the, the dirty secret i guess, or the secret that the western media refuses to admit as a, you know, of course, russian beta ukraine did. so after being provoked by a binding to nato. but putting this at these terms on the table since day 2 more, i've been covering that in the national interest and my real wars of stack websites

and most recently of september uh, following the next ation of, uh for uh you probably know lost by the russian federation of the russia essentially stated that it, it seemed all of its, uh, nearly all of its objectives. and the remaining objectives could be obtained through a piece that goes with the on to go to the steel. and that offers the table since september. so rushes really been the site, it's been trying to end the war and the world would have been doing it for us. yeah, that's way back in march, march. 31st of course has went out to the peace deal was signed between uh, russian ukraine which is great. and then ended up completely ranking on after it was pushed to do so by the, by the ministration. and then prime minister of the, you k worst johnson. so that would save the lives of perhaps $450000.00 or more a radio. and so also the soldiers incidentally is,

and i do agree with you with lucas, that, you know, be pretty counter offensive. it has been going very badly with ukraine, suffering, the 71 casualties, and 3 to one overall more than russia during the war. so this, lori is gonna end it. we're going to do a huge piece that will make the sooner we do it, the better russia, you know, and the key i think is to conclude a free and style harvest disagreement. the in the work is the current one control. yeah, well you know, i come across as i'm going to look into your come across this, the korean analogy. is it the problem with using it in this case here is that the major powers all agreed to the, to the arm assessed in, in, on the korean peninsula. i don't see, i don't, i don't see any reason world in the world by rush. it has to compromise on anything . we had the minutes process. okay. we already know what the negotiating position of the west is, is to lie. lucas, and that's correct. and the screen is were violated. so the russians have no reason

to trust the west at all. they have to win completely in this war, and unfortunately that's gonna take more lights on the creating. and so, i mean, of course the russians are losing as well, but not as many people as the ukrainian side. and it's just a tragedy to see this unfold. because it is the west pushing the ukrainians into the me credit they don't care about your grand. i've said it since i've comments in the beginning, this war along the guy said they're just using his cannon fodder because they want to. we can russian with sanctions and this work and everything, it's backfire. and peter, nothing has worked at his strength and brushes economy. it's a strength and the alliance with china and other countries. and it showed the world that the western hedge of monique is collapsing. nobody trust america anymore. nobody trusts nato people. question why didn't even have nato at this point? it's only causing problems and, you know, people are saying that the premiums wanna join. they don't, they don't even have to join at this point because it's already that the west is acting as if they're already part of nato. so there are hardy putting troops on the ground. busy scenario from several countries, not just ukraine fighting russia. it's every one fighting russia yet again,

i'm so glad. lucas brought that up because defacto ukraine is already a member of nato. but without the article 5 guaranteed, i mean the washington must be popping champagne bottles everyday. so the equations are willing to die, but we don't have to protect them. that's is amazing. and the arms about producers are making tons of money. i mean, this is the, the best possible outcome because the, the usaa is no obligation. other than to watch, you know, the ukraine grind itself into, into ashes. it's remarkable that they've been able to get an elite and ukraine to go along with this. and even more remarkable, gentleman, is it, you're a goes, is being led by the nose by washington, by a guy that is comatose in the white house. go ahead and geneva. yeah. yeah. you're the part of the stuff. nobody cares about to credit him. because i married can don't care about increasing that need to doesn't get to then even quin yang because one that doesn't care about this one citizen because those events keys are ready to

fight. going to be last quite a need started. yeah. so nobody can spend duration, they have no reason to care about good credit. yes. yeah. ready to fight against the last. sorry. go to reconstruct crime. yeah. and done by us, which rush does on reset or that the homepage that for good reasons because the population duration speaking people are often boss and also crime. yeah . a primary tools and quite a bit 1014 back to the russian speaking people. and as the harsh, i'm from the bus really a tech to buy the or inquiring and go home at the cute. there were 14000 people refuse in their last year. so the told you rush of the have to, but that, that's also a reason why russian, they've got the new quint you chose to protect the ethnic and russia speaking

people the best. don't forget it and know yes. later, later we're probably going to do is just uh, the next the, during the next summit there were probably give a huge and even higher commitment to praying for fighting to do last my last big g, but david mailed him a lot of things. i have no doubt about that, but david, but david, they will not keep the membership. david, go ahead a this absolutely correct. you know, it's a, it's an open secret that you've created. well, never joined data. i mean, certainly as a factory data member, but there's never been any chance for a rated joint data for many reasons. so france and germany veto that long ago, back in 2008 until recently they helped the same position. francis recently come around the other side of a turkey and hungry would also join germany and in between the membership at any

point, even if the war was over. and it also is a requirement of nato membership that a country need to aspirant of never a whole lot. have any territory dispute on it like 4 groups occupied in spiritual group. and that could only be achieved with the, by a pre, formerly seed in all, uh, territory direction control to russia. so that's the only prospect the i agree with you that for a very technical legal point of view. but i, i, i don't put it pads, nato breaking its own rules, but you are, the reasoning is actually spot on. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're gonna go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's fate. stay with all the the,

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the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter, let's remind you, we're discussing nato state the . okay, let's go back to look is the, the thing that's making the headlines right now and i think it's a intentional war. mongering is the possibility of a false flag. of course, the narrative is the russians for some reason will damage or bomb a nuclear power plant in its own possession. i can't really understand the logic of it, and it's never explained in the mainstream media. but when i hear talk of that, i understand a couple of things. nato is losing. i'm not going to say ukraine, because this has nato has worn out. so nato is losing. okay. and it's getting desperate. i think you probably heard of lindsey graham and richard blumenthal talking about is

a senate resolution that if any kind of new killer action is happens at that plant, it would be uh, a trigger. a um, article 5, we action by nato remarkably blumenthal. so this is, you know, this, this is not a move out of desperation or panic. well then why did he will use the words desperation and panic? okay. it shows to me that they are moving up the escalation lot. are your thoughts, lucas? yes. anyone's going to do a false flag, it's going to be nato and the ukrainians, or some other people doing it like north strain pipeline. you know, all these other things that i mentioned this as a nation of their duty during the bombing of the crimea bridge. this is all, this is a sign of someone losing a war. the russians are not doing these kinds of things are not assassinating. people are not sabotaging anything. like i mentioned the dan before. so if there's a false flag, it's been a 100 percent p. nato and its allies, you know, and that's obvious to everyone who understands how the script is played. it's always that way, you know, the united states or it's alice and say, don't cross this red line. and then suddenly it's crossed by the people that

they're paying, whether it be the jihadists in syria or some other country. it's always the same setup and it works all the time. but people are starting to see that this is come on. this is, makes no sense of what with the russians do this. they wasn't just like they didn't bomb word stream to. well, you d, i mean i'm glad that lucas brought it up because the scenario that we had with um, uh, the use of chemical alleged the use of a dirty bomb and syria. this is exactly the same thing that they're trying to convince get. and it's warmer and a new crane, they're talking about it. i think it's more of a ploy by the other zalinski regime to mobilize public opinion as a board goes on. and, and of course it is that terrified the population in that country and further afield. i don't understand why, as i'm kind of nuclear reaction with within the wind blow in go east and not only to the west, that doesn't make any sense here. but these people have not been making sense for a very long time. nato is, nato is very existence at stake right now. it's put all of its eggs in one basket.

a. yes, you know, we have to understand that it's this type of deal. the shop can. oh, you know, and if you look this since the stopped in got peaceful every 2 months, you have a big event laptop such as a workshop, out loud stream that cost all that and so on. you know, don't do program to shark into can be convenience in the western countries in fable fossil bought into wal mad girls. so that's fine. but i'm going status of the stucco or just the plan to follow up that can be used as such to create such a shot. you know the 2 pro hawk. oh, the big dresser box. oh, for the queen. especially neutral question um it is using on the road, which is the case since the beginning of discount or price you. so in my view is

not possible to do that. so frustrate that continues to follow up on the 2nd was that can happen uh, due to this, we have to do to come see dr. do the narrative. it's very important for the rest of the course of the voter from tech to do the as good as the direct to use this information role as a to be kept in the west that they need to do. so thought id but such a short events. yeah, david, i mean, in my introduction i talked about how this has been turned into an existential war for both sides, but there was a craving choice on the part of nato. it's never been explained to western publics what the strategic value is of ukraine. it hadn't been during the cold war after the cold war and

a certainly is of no since aging value to go to europe and then and when they throw in the usual and it's usually they may use platitudes. as you know, it's about democracy. well, then ski, cancel the election this, there are no political opposition. parties don't exist. there's no freedom of speech, an eccentric, etc. and, but they still come in for all this out. is it is it is a excess dental for the existence of democracy in the west. in general, i mean, this is this growing absurdity. david. yeah, i mean theres, uh, i mean is it, was he put it in to the service that were just cutting democracy in ukraine because there is no democracy in ukraine. you know, zaleski is that good to us acetate in a prison. all political oppositional years is uh, you know, about 11 different political parties these, uh, take it over all of our positions, tv networks and, and have them broadcast. so you probably get a 247, so there's only no democracies all the work we're doing there. and there's no other

way. there's no strategic interest at all. there's no national interest at all for us to be involved in ukraine. and in fact, i would argue there's no a nationalist, there's no security interest for nato to be involved. migrate down over here, theory emissions. ukraine is kind of referral to, to nato. and it's of worse generally. i mean, overall, it's a board dispute between what rushing you prayed over uh, swap the territory about the size of a baltic nation. so this is a war that has on only one ending russia overwhelmingly, matches over matches the pre and in terms of military power. it's, it's gotten the call and deliver inside of larger $35.00 times more territory. it occupies nearly a 5th of ukraine and there's no few pre and get any any, but back it is 5 times more people, 5 times more takes our to her systems and combat aircraft. so we need to recognize that the longest work it was on the created, the death and destruction you created. and the more territory that russia is likely

to gain the worse and the worst piece of terms that will pull the ultimately being published. devonte, well to say there's only one more step to take outside this false flag, which i anticipate, sorry, but i do that, that's the mindset of these people. but what we have to deal with here is that they will be the last straw is to, you know, allow lensky zalinski to convince nato to join the war. that's the last ultimate step. yeah, i, like i said, i think they are pretty much in the world. right. i think we all agree that there are many different cultural now. know what i mean, lucas is that, you know, they go to war with russia and then more size taken out. been berlin then bill and that's, that's what i mean. that's what i mean. yeah, yeah, i mean, look, the, i think russia, because you mentioned earlier, this is an essential threat to russia. everything else is just made up and down. busy is not brand by proven, he's not going to take over the entire continental, like hitler or something like this. this is all propaganda and, you know, yeah,

and this is, this would be the final step if nato goes too far, but i don't think putting wants to do that. he has never said he wanted to do it. no one saying i know sing commentator a political analyst is saying that he would do it or could even do it by the way. so, you know, that wouldn't be the final thing, but i don't see that happening. and, you know, with nato push that far, i think they, what i think the united states, one of the greatest things we're good at is destroying everything, lying and stealing and cheating us. you know, so many of our agents would say, and it's just a very bad situation to see this loss of life for absolutely nothing but special interest. so i just hope that this more and sooner than later i hope it ends within the next year. i would think, i don't think it's going to be another vietnam for $1015.00 a rock or whatever the case. let's hope that's not. i don't know if it's even possible to sustain it that long at this point. but yeah, the nato will do whatever they have to do to try to defeat russia and they will fail in my opinion. yeah, they do a d in the process. they destroyed themselves here. and, you know, we've,

we've talked about the lack of democracy in ukraine, but it's damaging civil liberties in the west as well. i mean, people being canceled and shadow band and all of this. i mean, i mean, i was banned from twitter for quoting brock obama on about you crate. i the, i, yeah, i'm a to, i'm a conservative. i'm the, i don't walk around it quoting brock obama, but when i said, well, this is what obama said about ukraine. then i was taken off. thanks to you on it. i'm from you on. i am back on twitter again, but i mean again a their, their turn this into some kind of moral crusade, but it should be about security. yeah, so that's, that's very clear that it sorts of collapsed for the rest of the value with this great in the war. because i want to now to know about that play space in which the extent of the source this was mainly the collapse of the rest of the nose because

we collapse the piece. you know, it was, for instance, the was created in order to make peace and you rock and now you're not is making, oh, so that's a very big country. i did shop. same for you, my wife know last, last week it was stored in the video about his balding come, my task restful. but the main news was not desponding. it draws, it draws that this ball beating, but the draws the the drawers, the, the, the concept of these exxon's, the next unit president 7. this is step to the next us, next you are in the, you know, quite so wednesday landscape discounts and then each for democracy there is not to were up in the west of media. that's the default. that's of the situation that that's why or do so with narrative about doing value is just action.

i'm to david 11 last question for you. how much of an impact is this going to have on the 2024 election? we have about a minute left. well, i think it's, it's gonna be huge. it back to 2024 election. the binary restriction is secretly trying to wind down or trying to establish the security guarantee for you. praying that would replace the needle membership, and that would only be the issue that really goes you piece. the problem is the, they're so far behind the power curve. uh, they haven't been negotiating with russian all the way and throw it in diplomatic temper tantrum with russia. on the republican side, the 3 leading republican presidential candidates are also for the warranty. pre in trying to re establish a, i'm going to come with a better relations with russia in or so us national security interest. and so that we can counter re focus on friday, we should not be involved in that. this is horrible. well, i, i, well, i warned for a very long time that russia gate would bleed into policy, and this is what we get. okay. a fantasy, creating

a tragedy. that's all the time we have gentlemen want to thank my guest in salt lake city, brake and in geneva. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember prospect roles the, [000:00:00;00] the, i'm a film director, i've written many scripts during my career, but i got really curious, couldn't neural networks collaborate with a human to make a documentary film? springer set up with somebody to reach out to me about the volume of sheriff comergence this your motion shows was more was do this well, no, but i'll both feel with as with the internet, most of oversight,

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